Update 306 is now live on steam! - Natural Selection 2

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  • .trixX..trixX. BudapestMembers Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Posts: 861 Advanced user
    edited August 2016
    You have too look further back than 6 months to see a real pattern in player count.
    If nothing else, then seasonal habits and steam sales are a huge factor

    EDIT: This isn't the lowest player count, not ever nor for this time of season... so you can't blame that on the devs xP
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    NO Cyril, when they're dead they're just hookers!
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The NetherlandsMembers, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Posts: 15,781 Advanced user
    edited August 2016
    Summer summer summer time, it's summer time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr0tTbTbmVA

    Can't blame them devs for summer dip in populous! Also the ozzie's gon hate me for this yo

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  • .trixX..trixX. BudapestMembers Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Posts: 861 Advanced user
    The wondrous yet sligthly embarassing times of the 90s
    NO Cyril, when they're dead they're just hookers!
    Kouji_San
  • MoFo1MoFo1 United StatesMembers Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Posts: 729 Advanced user
    Obraxis wrote: »
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Oh my, I just noticed. But it seems now we're balancing the game around entry level play?
    What we ARE doing, is trying to make the game more accessible to new players.

    Except the way your going about it is making the game way too easy for the high skill players, which in turn has made pub games much MUCH worse than they have ever been before.


    Also I believe your data may be flawed.. I've never seen NS2 as dead as it has been the past couple of weeks. In the mornings we've gone from 2-3 US servers and 6-8 EU servers absolute minimum, to just 1-2 US and 1-2 EU servers at most..

    soccerguy243
  • .trixX..trixX. BudapestMembers Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Posts: 861 Advanced user
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Obraxis wrote: »
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Oh my, I just noticed. But it seems now we're balancing the game around entry level play?
    What we ARE doing, is trying to make the game more accessible to new players.

    Except the way your going about it is making the game way too easy for the high skill players, which in turn has made pub games much MUCH worse than they have ever been before.
    I have to agree, unfortunately...
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Also I believe your data may be flawed.. I've never seen NS2 as dead as it has been the past couple of weeks. In the mornings we've gone from 2-3 US servers and 6-8 EU servers absolute minimum, to just 1-2 US and 1-2 EU servers at most..
    Percieved past game quality can be quite misleading... and it is the holidays, according to steamcharts history it's not catastrophic compared to other years
    NO Cyril, when they're dead they're just hookers!
  • BicsumBicsum Members, Reinforced - Gold Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Posts: 1,014 Advanced user
    edited August 2016
    How can you tell? I've seen Remi playing on a pub not too long ago.
  • FrozenFrozen New York, NYMembers, Constellation Join Date: 2010-07-02 Member: 72228Posts: 1,481 Advanced user
    Bicsum wrote: »
    How can you tell? I've seen Remi playing on a pub not too long ago.

    Which one?
    mattji104
  • BicsumBicsum Members, Reinforced - Gold Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Posts: 1,014 Advanced user
    edited August 2016
    Frozen wrote: »
    Bicsum wrote: »
    How can you tell? I've seen Remi playing on a pub not too long ago.

    Which one?

    (S)Hellarious Basterds IIRC. It could've been ghouls box, too, though.

    However, I'd expect the devs are usually using smurf accounts for obvious reasons.
  • MoFo1MoFo1 United StatesMembers Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Posts: 729 Advanced user
    Therius wrote: »
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Also I believe your data may be flawed.. I've never seen NS2 as dead as it has been the past couple of weeks. In the mornings we've gone from 2-3 US servers and 6-8 EU servers absolute minimum, to just 1-2 US and 1-2 EU servers at most..

    You don't debunk data by saying "I feel..." or "In my experience..." and throwing around numbers that you are just trying to recall to prove your point. This is a problem too many people on this forum and life in general have.

    That's all we really have though.. How it feels

    Only UWE (and maybe Nordic) have access to see whether or not the higher player stats are consistent (more people throughout the day) or just new people checking it out (ie it only spikes for a few hours in evenings)

    We could have way lower population thoughout the day, but if enough new players are checking it out at night, then suddenly the max peak for that day makes the game look more alive than it really is.. Just one example of how stats don't always tell the while story..

    And lately NS2 feels extremely dead. (way more than usual)
  • NordicNordic Long term camping in KodiakMembers, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Posts: 4,771 Advanced user
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Only UWE (and maybe Nordic) have access to see whether or not the higher player stats are consistent (more people throughout the day) or just new people checking it out (ie it only spikes for a few hours in
    I don't. I have hive data from February 2016 and Sponitor data from b279 to b297. As you can see, I have not been updated in awhile. Nor have I had much time to work with the stats.
    From my perspective UWE has been trying to both with what little resources they have given to the game. They don't have an AAA budget, let alone an indie game budget. They have the budget of a game that has been out 6 years. I want to say, don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing. I just don't think they have the resources to do it. Unlike many of the people on the forums, I guess I am just happy they are at least trying even though I may not like what they end up doing.
  • .trixX..trixX. BudapestMembers Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Posts: 861 Advanced user
    Changelist seems pretty dope
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  • BicsumBicsum Members, Reinforced - Gold Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Posts: 1,014 Advanced user
    You can put my name behind it, I don't care.

    It may not be there, yet, but it won't ever be there, if no one is testing it. Same applies to current vanilla balance though.
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  • YojimboYojimbo EnglandMembers, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Posts: 1,252 Advanced user
    Lol, abit of a smack in the face when you see servers running pre PDT changes. ouch.
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  • BicsumBicsum Members, Reinforced - Gold Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Posts: 1,014 Advanced user
    edited August 2016
    Yeah, but I don't think backwards is a good direction in this regard.
  • VetinariVetinari Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver Join Date: 2013-07-23 Member: 186325Posts: 3,468 Advanced user
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    Lol, abit of a smack in the face when you see servers running pre PDT changes. ouch.

    Not really, he's been doing that for months.
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  • .trixX..trixX. BudapestMembers Join Date: 2007-10-11 Member: 62605Posts: 861 Advanced user
    Subjectivity alert!
    And I played the most enjoyable games on those servers by far
    NO Cyril, when they're dead they're just hookers!
    BicsumBlrg
  • BicsumBicsum Members, Reinforced - Gold Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Posts: 1,014 Advanced user
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he merely reverted the health bars so far.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The NetherlandsMembers, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Posts: 15,781 Advanced user
    I'd rather go forward together, WITH the cdt. It's not me son, believe me! But forward is not the direction they choose to take. It's a efing joke. Maybe if they see that noone, that likes good matches plays thier version of the game (it's not ns2 anymore) they focus on important stuff and stop trying to shove thier personal preferences down our throats. I know, it'sa thin straw of hope, but I'm like that.

    I like it, you're one of those optimist that doesn't see the glass as half full, you see it as refillable :tongue:

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  • dePARAdePARA Members, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Posts: 1,351 Advanced user
    Health bars, bigger alien hitboxes and then higher skulk health to compensate, completely changing skulk vs. marine gameplay after years of careful balancing, are changes that not only seem unwarranted, but simply have proven to have an extremely negative impact on gameplay

    While the Hitbox change had a noticable impact on the marine winratio, i cant see the "complete change in skulksplay".
    Scouting, call out enemy positions, parasiting, engage as a group, ambushing and resbiting.
    I can play the skulk exact the same like before all the last changes.

    The last hitbox change revealed only the lack any gamesense/knowledge of most Leeroy Jenkins skulks.
    Bite cone and HP buff helped them a bit again, so we are back to "normal" again.
    But these players still playing horrible on alienside.
    And that is the main reason of the horrible rounds, not the changes.



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