<!--QuoteBegin-pieceofsoap+Jun 2 2005, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pieceofsoap @ Jun 2 2005, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <3 to all of you, lol.
In anycase, this is a topic about a paper on Christian Stereotyping.
As I was saying earlier, I believe that the "Ignorant Bible Blaster" view of Christians isnt entirely unwarranted, but the problem is that due to the vocality of this miniscule minority of Christians, this view is widely propogated among the external audience.
to use Lolfighters terminology, "Xians," loud, fundamentalist, beligerent Christians DO exist. I have met them. And at the same time, contrary to what Metalcat has been arguing for quite a while, intelligent, rational, tolerant Christians do, at the same time, exist. Ive met them too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> im christian
not very religous or believing though, read that thread i posted earlyer to see why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but cyndane, all you do is defend religion, why wont you see that religion is bad, and you say you are a prime example that religion can be a good part of a kids uprising. I cant believe this, generaly i think that you just defend it, no real points execpt that you say that there gotta be something up there and that its all about personal faith. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sorry, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funniest thing I've read all day. Please, Metalcat, read ANY other thread in the discussion forum that has anything to do with religion, and look for Cyndane's posts. I beg you; I want to see your reaction.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94012' target='_blank'>I'll even make it really easy for you.</a>
Yes, I haven't stopped laughing since I read that...
Anyway, I do agree with soap, it is unfortunate that everyone has stereotypes that they wish to attempt to convey a very vague sense of generalizations, but it does happen.
It doesn't help when said minority/sect comply with those stereotypes and make it that much worse.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 2 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 2 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but cyndane, all you do is defend religion, why wont you see that religion is bad, and you say you are a prime example that religion can be a good part of a kids uprising. I cant believe this, generaly i think that you just defend it, no real points execpt that you say that there gotta be something up there and that its all about personal faith. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sorry, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funniest thing I've read all day. Please, Metalcat, read ANY other thread in the discussion forum that has anything to do with religion, and look for Cyndane's posts. I beg you; I want to see your reaction.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94012' target='_blank'>I'll even make it really easy for you.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well she dont say that religion is bad, just that its not important and means nothing, but i dont wanna discuss with you guys nomore, its too stupid as both sides are only saying opinions, how can anyone ever change opinion that way?
and soap and cyndane, why are you against me when you are with me in that other topic! oh noes my opinions aint no fundamental or extreme
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pieceofsoap+Jun 2 2005, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pieceofsoap @ Jun 2 2005, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <3 to all of you, lol.
In anycase, this is a topic about a paper on Christian Stereotyping.
As I was saying earlier, I believe that the "Ignorant Bible Blaster" view of Christians isnt entirely unwarranted, but the problem is that due to the vocality of this miniscule minority of Christians, this view is widely propogated among the external audience.
to use Lolfighters terminology, "Xians," loud, fundamentalist, beligerent Christians DO exist. I have met them. And at the same time, contrary to what Metalcat has been arguing for quite a while, intelligent, rational, tolerant Christians do, at the same time, exist. Ive met them too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> im christian
not very religous or believing though, read that thread i posted earlyer to see why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ahah! Here we go, time to clear some things up!
Its seems to me, that your beef is not with religion itself, but the degree to which ones religion is extended. So, what you mean, is that religion is dangerous when one takes it to the point at which it hedges out rationality, no?
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 02:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 2 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 2 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but cyndane, all you do is defend religion, why wont you see that religion is bad, and you say you are a prime example that religion can be a good part of a kids uprising. I cant believe this, generaly i think that you just defend it, no real points execpt that you say that there gotta be something up there and that its all about personal faith. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sorry, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funniest thing I've read all day. Please, Metalcat, read ANY other thread in the discussion forum that has anything to do with religion, and look for Cyndane's posts. I beg you; I want to see your reaction.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94012' target='_blank'>I'll even make it really easy for you.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well she dont say that religion is bad, just that its not important and means nothing, but i dont wanna discuss with you guys nomore, its too stupid as both sides are only saying opinions, how can anyone ever change opinion that way?
and soap and cyndane, why are you against me when you are with me in that other topic! oh noes my opinions aint no fundamental or extreme <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Extremists are bad on both sides. You are an extremist, because you think all religion is bad all of the time. Congrats, you've garnered the ire of the moderate section of this forum.
<!--QuoteBegin-pieceofsoap+Jun 2 2005, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pieceofsoap @ Jun 2 2005, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pieceofsoap+Jun 2 2005, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pieceofsoap @ Jun 2 2005, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <3 to all of you, lol.
In anycase, this is a topic about a paper on Christian Stereotyping.
As I was saying earlier, I believe that the "Ignorant Bible Blaster" view of Christians isnt entirely unwarranted, but the problem is that due to the vocality of this miniscule minority of Christians, this view is widely propogated among the external audience.
to use Lolfighters terminology, "Xians," loud, fundamentalist, beligerent Christians DO exist. I have met them. And at the same time, contrary to what Metalcat has been arguing for quite a while, intelligent, rational, tolerant Christians do, at the same time, exist. Ive met them too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> im christian
not very religous or believing though, read that thread i posted earlyer to see why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ahah! Here we go, time to clear some things up!
Its seems to me, that your beef is not with religion itself, but the degree to which ones religion is extended. So, what you mean, is that religion is dangerous when one takes it to the point at which it hedges out rationality, no? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yep pretty much, religion becomes dangerous when you use it to teach with. its ok to teach what the points is, but dont teach directly from the bible to small kids, they will get confused.
and in lands like the middle eastern, islam sometimes becomes too big a source of knowlegde
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yep pretty much, religion becomes dangerous when you use it to teach with. its ok to teach what the points is, but dont teach directly from the bible to small kids, they will get confused.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let us replace "bible" with "fiction" (please ignore the discussion of whether or not they are in the same category, that is irrelevent). Now we have included everything from Aesop's fables, through Little Red Riding Hood and Goldilocks, over to The Chronicles of Narnia.
Aesop's fables routinely involve violence, murder and death, all to demonstrate a point about life. Goldilocks was a thief with no redeeming qualifies. And Narnia got downright bloody on occasion... These and other tales often crop up in early education (at least they ran rampant through mine), but as far as I know have never been blamed for a violent act.
Even better, we study Greek and Roman mythology, touch the Viking and Egyptian gods and afterlife. Many parents encourage their children to believe that Santa Claus, the Eastern Bunny, and the Tooty Fairy are real. Yet we find it hard to imagine an adult (or even a teen) with the same delusions. Most will probably remember a point in primary school when someone was mocked for a belief in Santa Claus.
If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree.
<!--QuoteBegin-minsk+Jun 2 2005, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (minsk @ Jun 2 2005, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 2 2005, 01:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 2 2005, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yep pretty much, religion becomes dangerous when you use it to teach with. its ok to teach what the points is, but dont teach directly from the bible to small kids, they will get confused.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let us replace "bible" with "fiction" (please ignore the discussion of whether or not they are in the same category, that is irrelevent). Now we have included everything from Aesop's fables, through Little Red Riding Hood and Goldilocks, over to The Chronicles of Narnia.
Aesop's fables routinely involve violence, murder and death, all to demonstrate a point about life. Goldilocks was a thief with no redeeming qualifies. And Narnia got downright bloody on occasion... These and other tales often crop up in early education (at least they ran rampant through mine), but as far as I know have never been blamed for a violent act.
Even better, we study Greek and Roman mythology, touch the Viking and Egyptian gods and afterlife. Many parents encourage their children to believe that Santa Claus, the Eastern Bunny, and the Tooty Fairy are real. Yet we find it hard to imagine an adult (or even a teen) with the same delusions. Most will probably remember a point in primary school when someone was mocked for a belief in Santa Claus. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Excellent post up to this point.
<!--QuoteBegin-minsk+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (minsk)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The whole reason this is silly arguement against anything, is because people(read:adults) believe the religious stories to be true, some to an extreme, some not to so much. There-in lies the problem, if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 2 2005, 05:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 2 2005, 05:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> QFT, thank you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 2 2005, 04:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 2 2005, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, it's like the last two religion topics got together and made a new topic to dump their rubbish in.
Could someone clue me in as to what Xian(ism?) is? Google just gives me hotels and alternative cancer treatments. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, maybe we need some kind of discussion forum rubbish bin, then...
Anyway, "Xian" Im not sure, but I think its short for Christian (X as in X-mas) while carrying a derogatory connotation. So, Xian would refer to a narrowminded/ignorant fanatical/fundamentalist Christian.
Seeing as how Im really not sure, correct me if Im wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 2 2005, 03:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 2 2005, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, it's like the last two religion topics got together and made a new topic to dump their rubbish in.
Could someone clue me in as to what Xian(ism?) is? Google just gives me hotels and alternative cancer treatments. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Xian This is an abbreviation for the word Christian. It comes from the Greek name for Christ, Xristos, and is essentially the same notation as we commonly see with Xmas.
Another variation on this is Xtian, although the addition of the extra t is not entirely proper.
Used as a cool alternative to Christian, which is a whole lot of letters.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 2 2005, 04:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 2 2005, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Could someone clue me in as to what Xian(ism?) is? Google just gives me hotels and alternative cancer treatments.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://christdot.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=2&categories=About+Christdot#17' target='_blank'>http://christdot.org/modules.php?op=modloa...ut+Christdot#17</a> <a href='http://christdot.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=819' target='_blank'>http://christdot.org/modules.php?name=News...article&sid=819</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When people see X., which is short for Christdot, or when they see Xians, Xiantiy, Xmas, etc... they often think people are trying to remove 'Christ' from words. While that may be the case for some people, often, and certainly not on this site, it is not. 'X' (Greek 'chi') is actually the first letter in the Greek spelling of 'Christ'. Around here, 'X' is respectfully used as shorthand for 'Christ'.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 2 2005, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 2 2005, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-minsk+Jun 2 2005, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (minsk @ Jun 2 2005, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The whole reason this is silly arguement against anything, is because people(read:adults) believe the religious stories to be true, some to an extreme, some not to so much. There-in lies the problem, if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm, where did you find shifting beliefs in that? My only target here is the assertion that teaching based on religious texts is necessarily bad. Further, we obviously have no problem with most misconceptions children and adults maintain. (Take a poll in a rural community sometime: are whales and dolphins fish or mammals?)
High school science books are fairly regularly wrong. Some of the things that are presented as facts in the text and by the teacher and on the exam are provably incorrect. A particularly common one pops up in chemistry with the Boer-Rutherford atomic model. It has been obsolete for nearly half a century, yet I have never heard a claim that this harmed students who went on in chemistry where the difference matters.
Were I an athiest, I would have no problem with my children being exposed to Catholic dogma. Were I a Catholic, I would have no problem with my children to Darwinic evolution. The respective (pr/t)eachers will probably believe both are absolutely true.
No matter how many times we go around, it is not the beliefs that matter, it is the actions that impact others. (I almost restricted that to intolerance, but given sacrifices etc. it would have been wrong)
Given your earlier posts, I think we might actually agree. Which probably means I misinterpreted your comment. Gah it feels weird making serious posts with the marine machine-gunning me from the clickable smilies.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dessidious Confuzor+Jun 2 2005, 05:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dessidious Confuzor @ Jun 2 2005, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When people see X., which is short for Christdot, or when they see Xians, Xiantiy, Xmas, etc... they often think people are trying to remove 'Christ' from words. While that may be the case for some people, often, and certainly not on this site, it is not. 'X' (Greek 'chi') is actually the first letter in the Greek spelling of 'Christ'. Around here, 'X' is respectfully used as shorthand for 'Christ'.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Aah, thanks, In reading your first post, I misinterpreted Xian as having a derogatory meaning. Thanks for clearing that up.
I can't remember the last time I laughed out loud while reading a Discussion forum post...at least not laughter that wasn't filled with spite and hatred...
<!--QuoteBegin-minsk+Jun 2 2005, 05:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (minsk @ Jun 2 2005, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 2 2005, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 2 2005, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-minsk+Jun 2 2005, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (minsk @ Jun 2 2005, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The whole reason this is silly arguement against anything, is because people(read:adults) believe the religious stories to be true, some to an extreme, some not to so much. There-in lies the problem, if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm, where did you find shifting beliefs in that? My only target here is the assertion that teaching based on religious texts is necessarily bad. Further, we obviously have no problem with most misconceptions children and adults maintain. (Take a poll in a rural community sometime: are whales and dolphins fish or mammals?)
High school science books are fairly regularly wrong. Some of the things that are presented as facts in the text and by the teacher and on the exam are provably incorrect. A particularly common one pops up in chemistry with the Boer-Rutherford atomic model. It has been obsolete for nearly half a century, yet I have never heard a claim that this harmed students who went on in chemistry where the difference matters.
Were I an athiest, I would have no problem with my children being exposed to Catholic dogma. Were I a Catholic, I would have no problem with my children to Darwinic evolution. The respective (pr/t)eachers will probably believe both are absolutely true.
No matter how many times we go around, it is not the beliefs that matter, it is the actions that impact others. (I almost restricted that to intolerance, but given sacrifices etc. it would have been wrong)
Given your earlier posts, I think we might actually agree. Which probably means I misinterpreted your comment. Gah it feels weird making serious posts with the marine machine-gunning me from the clickable smilies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes, children can have religion, but you dont want to only teach the kid the bible, or tell the kid that all that stands in the bible is real.
Because its not real, the bible simply cant be real, yes the morals can be real i dont care, just dont overdo the frikken religion and say that god is like your father or something like that
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 3 2005, 05:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 3 2005, 05:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yes, children can have religion, but you dont want to only teach the kid the bible, or tell the kid that all that stands in the bible is real.
Because its not real, the bible simply cant be real, yes the morals can be real i dont care, just dont overdo the frikken religion and say that god is like your father or something like that <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is why no one takes you seriously metalcat..
You give no reasons, there is no logic to follow. You claim the bible isn't real, but there isn't any evidence given to back it up. None, nothing, notta, zero and zilch.
See, if you wish to make an arguement that the bible isn't real, you must at least back it up with some evidence, however, since you are failing to do that, you are just the opposite spectrum of what AvengerX was doing.
I personally would love to see the mods open a forum where only you and avengerx can post, and have you two go at it with no evidence to back up either one of any claims.
That I must say would be something I might even be willing to pay to see.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 3 2005, 10:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 3 2005, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is why no one takes you seriously metalcat..
You give no reasons, there is no logic to follow. You claim the bible isn't real, but there isn't any evidence given to back it up. None, nothing, notta, zero and zilch.
See, if you wish to make an arguement that the bible isn't real, you must at least back it up with some evidence, however, since you are failing to do that, you are just the opposite spectrum of what AvengerX was doing.
I personally would love to see the mods open a forum where only you and avengerx can post, and have you two go at it with no evidence to back up either one of any claims.
That I must say would be something I might even be willing to pay to see. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> saying that i dont have evidence is kinda ironic
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally would love to see the mods open a forum where only you and avengerx can post, and have you two go at it with no evidence to back up either one of any claims.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Aegeri+Jun 3 2005, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Jun 3 2005, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally would love to see the mods open a forum where only you and avengerx can post, and have you two go at it with no evidence to back up either one of any claims.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd support it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had <b>NO</b> proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion.
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 3 2005, 11:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 3 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how can you say that the bible is real? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You know, I hardly come into the discussion forums to post; if anything, I come to read some arguments.
I'm a horrible debater, and I know it from experience (I used to take speech and debate and fail pretty miserably) so I won't join this discussion. But after reading Metalcat's post throughout this thread, I felt I had to counter his question...
Metalcat, how can you say that the bible is NOT real? Provide specific examples and quotes to support your statement (I feel like I'm adminstrating some sort of test)
btw Confuzor... great post. Reminds me of a comedian who did nearly the same thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-Theslan+Jun 3 2005, 12:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Theslan @ Jun 3 2005, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 3 2005, 11:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 3 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how can you say that the bible is real? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You know, I hardly come into the discussion forums to post; if anything, I come to read some arguments.
I'm a horrible debater, and I know it from experience (I used to take speech and debate and fail pretty miserably) so I won't join this discussion. But after reading Metalcat's post throughout this thread, I felt I had to counter his question...
Metalcat, how can you say that the bible is NOT real? Provide specific examples and quotes to support your statement (I feel like I'm adminstrating some sort of test)
btw Confuzor... great post. Reminds me of a comedian who did nearly the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> oh noes its the evil circle
Shouldn't an argument be proven real before you can use it as an argument? Else it's just speculation. You can't make a point on speculation, you can break a point with speculation.
This post has nothing to do with religion or god's existance.
Comments
In anycase, this is a topic about a paper on Christian Stereotyping.
As I was saying earlier, I believe that the "Ignorant Bible Blaster" view of Christians isnt entirely unwarranted, but the problem is that due to the vocality of this miniscule minority of Christians, this view is widely propogated among the external audience.
to use Lolfighters terminology, "Xians," loud, fundamentalist, beligerent Christians DO exist. I have met them.
And at the same time, contrary to what Metalcat has been arguing for quite a while, intelligent, rational, tolerant Christians do, at the same time, exist. Ive met them too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
im christian
not very religous or believing though, read that thread i posted earlyer to see why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I'm sorry, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funniest thing I've read all day. Please, Metalcat, read ANY other thread in the discussion forum that has anything to do with religion, and look for Cyndane's posts. I beg you; I want to see your reaction.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94012' target='_blank'>I'll even make it really easy for you.</a>
Anyway, I do agree with soap, it is unfortunate that everyone has stereotypes that they wish to attempt to convey a very vague sense of generalizations, but it does happen.
It doesn't help when said minority/sect comply with those stereotypes and make it that much worse.
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I'm sorry, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funniest thing I've read all day. Please, Metalcat, read ANY other thread in the discussion forum that has anything to do with religion, and look for Cyndane's posts. I beg you; I want to see your reaction.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94012' target='_blank'>I'll even make it really easy for you.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well she dont say that religion is bad, just that its not important and means nothing, but i dont wanna discuss with you guys nomore, its too stupid as both sides are only saying opinions, how can anyone ever change opinion that way?
and soap and cyndane, why are you against me when you are with me in that other topic! oh noes my opinions aint no fundamental or extreme
In anycase, this is a topic about a paper on Christian Stereotyping.
As I was saying earlier, I believe that the "Ignorant Bible Blaster" view of Christians isnt entirely unwarranted, but the problem is that due to the vocality of this miniscule minority of Christians, this view is widely propogated among the external audience.
to use Lolfighters terminology, "Xians," loud, fundamentalist, beligerent Christians DO exist. I have met them.
And at the same time, contrary to what Metalcat has been arguing for quite a while, intelligent, rational, tolerant Christians do, at the same time, exist. Ive met them too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
im christian
not very religous or believing though, read that thread i posted earlyer to see why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahah! Here we go, time to clear some things up!
Its seems to me, that your beef is not with religion itself, but the degree to which ones religion is extended.
So, what you mean, is that religion is dangerous when one takes it to the point at which it hedges out rationality, no?
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I'm sorry, but...
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funniest thing I've read all day. Please, Metalcat, read ANY other thread in the discussion forum that has anything to do with religion, and look for Cyndane's posts. I beg you; I want to see your reaction.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94012' target='_blank'>I'll even make it really easy for you.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well she dont say that religion is bad, just that its not important and means nothing, but i dont wanna discuss with you guys nomore, its too stupid as both sides are only saying opinions, how can anyone ever change opinion that way?
and soap and cyndane, why are you against me when you are with me in that other topic! oh noes my opinions aint no fundamental or extreme <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Extremists are bad on both sides. You are an extremist, because you think all religion is bad all of the time. Congrats, you've garnered the ire of the moderate section of this forum.
In anycase, this is a topic about a paper on Christian Stereotyping.
As I was saying earlier, I believe that the "Ignorant Bible Blaster" view of Christians isnt entirely unwarranted, but the problem is that due to the vocality of this miniscule minority of Christians, this view is widely propogated among the external audience.
to use Lolfighters terminology, "Xians," loud, fundamentalist, beligerent Christians DO exist. I have met them.
And at the same time, contrary to what Metalcat has been arguing for quite a while, intelligent, rational, tolerant Christians do, at the same time, exist. Ive met them too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
im christian
not very religous or believing though, read that thread i posted earlyer to see why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahah! Here we go, time to clear some things up!
Its seems to me, that your beef is not with religion itself, but the degree to which ones religion is extended.
So, what you mean, is that religion is dangerous when one takes it to the point at which it hedges out rationality, no? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yep pretty much, religion becomes dangerous when you use it to teach with. its ok to teach what the points is, but dont teach directly from the bible to small kids, they will get confused.
and in lands like the middle eastern, islam sometimes becomes too big a source of knowlegde
Let us replace "bible" with "fiction" (please ignore the discussion of whether or not they are in the same category, that is irrelevent). Now we have included everything from Aesop's fables, through Little Red Riding Hood and Goldilocks, over to The Chronicles of Narnia.
Aesop's fables routinely involve violence, murder and death, all to demonstrate a point about life. Goldilocks was a thief with no redeeming qualifies. And Narnia got downright bloody on occasion... These and other tales often crop up in early education (at least they ran rampant through mine), but as far as I know have never been blamed for a violent act.
Even better, we study Greek and Roman mythology, touch the Viking and Egyptian gods and afterlife. Many parents encourage their children to believe that Santa Claus, the Eastern Bunny, and the Tooty Fairy are real. Yet we find it hard to imagine an adult (or even a teen) with the same delusions. Most will probably remember a point in primary school when someone was mocked for a belief in Santa Claus.
If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree.
Let us replace "bible" with "fiction" (please ignore the discussion of whether or not they are in the same category, that is irrelevent). Now we have included everything from Aesop's fables, through Little Red Riding Hood and Goldilocks, over to The Chronicles of Narnia.
Aesop's fables routinely involve violence, murder and death, all to demonstrate a point about life. Goldilocks was a thief with no redeeming qualifies. And Narnia got downright bloody on occasion... These and other tales often crop up in early education (at least they ran rampant through mine), but as far as I know have never been blamed for a violent act.
Even better, we study Greek and Roman mythology, touch the Viking and Egyptian gods and afterlife. Many parents encourage their children to believe that Santa Claus, the Eastern Bunny, and the Tooty Fairy are real. Yet we find it hard to imagine an adult (or even a teen) with the same delusions. Most will probably remember a point in primary school when someone was mocked for a belief in Santa Claus. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Excellent post up to this point.
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If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree.
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The whole reason this is silly arguement against anything, is because people(read:adults) believe the religious stories to be true, some to an extreme, some not to so much. There-in lies the problem, if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs.
Could someone clue me in as to what Xian(ism?) is? Google just gives me hotels and alternative cancer treatments.
Just stop while you're ahead. You aren't really going <i>anywhere</i> with these arguments.
QFT, thank you.
Could someone clue me in as to what Xian(ism?) is? Google just gives me hotels and alternative cancer treatments. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol, maybe we need some kind of discussion forum rubbish bin, then...
Anyway, "Xian" Im not sure, but I think its short for Christian (X as in X-mas) while carrying a derogatory connotation. So, Xian would refer to a narrowminded/ignorant fanatical/fundamentalist Christian.
Seeing as how Im really not sure, correct me if Im wrong.
Could someone clue me in as to what Xian(ism?) is? Google just gives me hotels and alternative cancer treatments. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Xian
This is an abbreviation for the word Christian. It comes from the Greek name for Christ, Xristos, and is essentially the same notation as we commonly see with Xmas.
Another variation on this is Xtian, although the addition of the extra t is not entirely proper.
Used as a cool alternative to Christian, which is a whole lot of letters.
Is that better snidely?
<a href='http://christdot.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=2&categories=About+Christdot#17' target='_blank'>http://christdot.org/modules.php?op=modloa...ut+Christdot#17</a>
<a href='http://christdot.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=819' target='_blank'>http://christdot.org/modules.php?name=News...article&sid=819</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When people see X., which is short for Christdot, or when they see Xians, Xiantiy, Xmas, etc... they often think people are trying to remove 'Christ' from words. While that may be the case for some people, often, and certainly not on this site, it is not. 'X' (Greek 'chi') is actually the first letter in the Greek spelling of 'Christ'. Around here, 'X' is respectfully used as shorthand for 'Christ'.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree.
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The whole reason this is silly arguement against anything, is because people(read:adults) believe the religious stories to be true, some to an extreme, some not to so much. There-in lies the problem, if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhm, where did you find shifting beliefs in that? My only target here is the assertion that teaching based on religious texts is necessarily bad. Further, we obviously have no problem with most misconceptions children and adults maintain. (Take a poll in a rural community sometime: are whales and dolphins fish or mammals?)
High school science books are fairly regularly wrong. Some of the things that are presented as facts in the text and by the teacher and on the exam are provably incorrect. A particularly common one pops up in chemistry with the Boer-Rutherford atomic model. It has been obsolete for nearly half a century, yet I have never heard a claim that this harmed students who went on in chemistry where the difference matters.
Were I an athiest, I would have no problem with my children being exposed to Catholic dogma. Were I a Catholic, I would have no problem with my children to Darwinic evolution. The respective (pr/t)eachers will probably believe both are absolutely true.
No matter how many times we go around, it is not the beliefs that matter, it is the actions that impact others. (I almost restricted that to intolerance, but given sacrifices etc. it would have been wrong)
Given your earlier posts, I think we might actually agree. Which probably means I misinterpreted your comment. Gah it feels weird making serious posts with the marine machine-gunning me from the clickable smilies.
Aah, thanks, In reading your first post, I misinterpreted Xian as having a derogatory meaning. Thanks for clearing that up.
Live and learn. (:
I can't remember the last time I laughed out loud while reading a Discussion forum post...at least not laughter that wasn't filled with spite and hatred...
Bravo!
If we have no problem exposing children to moral and life lessons in the form of fables, stories and historical religions, why is doing the same using modern religious material a problem? Forgetting which you consider true or false, what in their absolute content separates fables, Roman mythology and Santa Claus from the Christian bible or the Book or Mormon or the Koran?
I would advance that it is not in fact beliefs that are a problem. Rather, it is intolerance and actions directed against those that disagree.
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The whole reason this is silly arguement against anything, is because people(read:adults) believe the religious stories to be true, some to an extreme, some not to so much. There-in lies the problem, if you can't prove something isn't true, then you can not really expect people to shift their beliefs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhm, where did you find shifting beliefs in that? My only target here is the assertion that teaching based on religious texts is necessarily bad. Further, we obviously have no problem with most misconceptions children and adults maintain. (Take a poll in a rural community sometime: are whales and dolphins fish or mammals?)
High school science books are fairly regularly wrong. Some of the things that are presented as facts in the text and by the teacher and on the exam are provably incorrect. A particularly common one pops up in chemistry with the Boer-Rutherford atomic model. It has been obsolete for nearly half a century, yet I have never heard a claim that this harmed students who went on in chemistry where the difference matters.
Were I an athiest, I would have no problem with my children being exposed to Catholic dogma. Were I a Catholic, I would have no problem with my children to Darwinic evolution. The respective (pr/t)eachers will probably believe both are absolutely true.
No matter how many times we go around, it is not the beliefs that matter, it is the actions that impact others. (I almost restricted that to intolerance, but given sacrifices etc. it would have been wrong)
Given your earlier posts, I think we might actually agree. Which probably means I misinterpreted your comment. Gah it feels weird making serious posts with the marine machine-gunning me from the clickable smilies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, children can have religion, but you dont want to only teach the kid the bible, or tell the kid that all that stands in the bible is real.
Because its not real, the bible simply cant be real, yes the morals can be real i dont care, just dont overdo the frikken religion and say that god is like your father or something like that
Because its not real, the bible simply cant be real, yes the morals can be real i dont care, just dont overdo the frikken religion and say that god is like your father or something like that <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is why no one takes you seriously metalcat..
You give no reasons, there is no logic to follow. You claim the bible isn't real, but there isn't any evidence given to back it up. None, nothing, notta, zero and zilch.
See, if you wish to make an arguement that the bible isn't real, you must at least back it up with some evidence, however, since you are failing to do that, you are just the opposite spectrum of what AvengerX was doing.
I personally would love to see the mods open a forum where only you and avengerx can post, and have you two go at it with no evidence to back up either one of any claims.
That I must say would be something I might even be willing to pay to see.
You give no reasons, there is no logic to follow. You claim the bible isn't real, but there isn't any evidence given to back it up. None, nothing, notta, zero and zilch.
See, if you wish to make an arguement that the bible isn't real, you must at least back it up with some evidence, however, since you are failing to do that, you are just the opposite spectrum of what AvengerX was doing.
I personally would love to see the mods open a forum where only you and avengerx can post, and have you two go at it with no evidence to back up either one of any claims.
That I must say would be something I might even be willing to pay to see. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
saying that i dont have evidence is kinda ironic
how can you say that the bible is real?
I'd support it.
I'd support it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had <b>NO</b> proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion.
You know, I hardly come into the discussion forums to post; if anything, I come to read some arguments.
I'm a horrible debater, and I know it from experience (I used to take speech and debate and fail pretty miserably) so I won't join this discussion. But after reading Metalcat's post throughout this thread, I felt I had to counter his question...
Metalcat, how can you say that the bible is NOT real? Provide specific examples and quotes to support your statement (I feel like I'm adminstrating some sort of test)
btw Confuzor... great post. Reminds me of a comedian who did nearly the same thing.
You know, I hardly come into the discussion forums to post; if anything, I come to read some arguments.
I'm a horrible debater, and I know it from experience (I used to take speech and debate and fail pretty miserably) so I won't join this discussion. But after reading Metalcat's post throughout this thread, I felt I had to counter his question...
Metalcat, how can you say that the bible is NOT real? Provide specific examples and quotes to support your statement (I feel like I'm adminstrating some sort of test)
btw Confuzor... great post. Reminds me of a comedian who did nearly the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh noes its the evil circle
This post has nothing to do with religion or god's existance.