<!--QuoteBegin-Aegeri+Jun 5 2005, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Jun 5 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 5 2005, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 5 2005, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If it was truly infallible, the bible would account for the infallibility of people, surely? (: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Depends on how you see it. I see the Bible as being infallible, yet if you took my interpretation against any of the other Christians here, it would be likely very different. That is because I'm not an infallible being <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just because the word is correct also doesn' t mean we are fully able to interpret what God was meaning in every case, that would be highly arrogant to assume. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Fair point. I guess it really depends on how strict God is on some matters. If it turns out that all these interpretations are viable, then it's all cool. Otherwise, it seems a bit mean of Him. (;
While God is a being way above our ken, my understanding was that He used the bible as a means of telling people how to live (or something like that). As such, I don't think it's too cocky to assume you can understand what He tells you in the bible.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aegeri+Jun 5 2005, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Jun 5 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 5 2005, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 5 2005, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Soap+Jun 5 2005, 02:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soap @ Jun 5 2005, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even I can pop in and say here, that the fact that different people interpret it different ways is more of a reflection of the fallability of people, rather than the fallability of the Book. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If it was truly infallible, the bible would account for the infallibility of people, surely? (: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Depends on how you see it. I see the Bible as being infallible, yet if you took my interpretation against any of the other Christians here, it would be likely very different. That is because I'm not an infallible being <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just because the word is correct also doesn' t mean we are fully able to interpret what God was meaning in every case, that would be highly arrogant to assume. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, it completely depends on how you see it. As above, I think that today's variety in Christian Traditions reflects more on the falliability of man, it is still a situation which does not reflect on the falliability or infalliability of the book. To me, the Bible is no more and no less the Word of God than any other book out there. Thus, due to its existence as an inanimate object, it is not inherently subject to falliability.
Depot lets just get some things clear, your protestant, so do you go to catholic churches? do you do care about god? Do you confess? Do you put money in the little box when you go out of the church?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion. As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 6 2005, 08:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 6 2005, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Depot lets just get some things clear, your protestant, so do you go to catholic churches? do you do care about god? Do you confess? Do you put money in the little box when you go out of the church?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion. As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
NO saying this is ironic! i know it is <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am Protestant Metalcat, <b>NOT</b> to be confused with Catholic.
I already showed you where Sunday Schools exist in Denmark. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If I get magic powers like that, and am able to create a kamehamaha, I would join the priesthood as well. ;-)
*Edit*
If you wish to get technical Depot, the catholic church is counting you as a member, whether you wish to be or not. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 6 2005, 07:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 6 2005, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 6 2005, 08:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 6 2005, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Depot lets just get some things clear, your protestant, so do you go to catholic churches? do you do care about god? Do you confess? Do you put money in the little box when you go out of the church?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion. As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
NO saying this is ironic! i know it is <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am Protestant Metalcat, <b>NOT</b> to be confused with Catholic.
I already showed you where Sunday Schools exist in Denmark. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> in denmark, i have never heard seen or even read about a sunday school, none of my friends ever had and i dont think the politicans ever have, my father nor mother ever have.
I must assume that like that school is on of the only ones in Denmark and dont have very many pupils
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 6 2005, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 6 2005, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 6 2005, 07:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 6 2005, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 6 2005, 08:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 6 2005, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Depot lets just get some things clear, your protestant, so do you go to catholic churches? do you do care about god? Do you confess? Do you put money in the little box when you go out of the church?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion. As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
NO saying this is ironic! i know it is <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am Protestant Metalcat, <b>NOT</b> to be confused with Catholic.
I already showed you where Sunday Schools exist in Denmark. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> in denmark, i have never heard seen or even read about a sunday school, none of my friends ever had and i dont think the politicans ever have, my father nor mother ever have.
I must assume that like that school is on of the only ones in Denmark and dont have very many pupils
you didnt answer tha questions<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. I do not go to a Catholic church, I am Protestant. 2. Of course I care about God. 3. I don't confess in the Catholoic sense of the word. What I say in my prayers are personal. 4. Yes, if/when I attend services I tithe.
I don't understand how your line of questioning will help you, especially as 2 of them apply to a religion I don't practice.
As to Sunday School in Denmark, the Danish National Church, <a href='http://www.soendagsskoler.dk/index.php?id=5' target='_blank'>the National Church of Denmark</a>, <a href='http://www.farsinet.com/icc/europe.html' target='_blank'>Church of Love in Denmark</a>, <a href='http://www.cityofelliotlake.com/worship.html' target='_blank'>First Baptist and Gentle Sheppard Churches</a>, and the list goes on, and on, and on. Google is your friend, try it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 6 2005, 07:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 6 2005, 07:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3. I don't confess in the Catholoic sense of the word. What I say in my prayers are personal.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Teehee.. the bible says you should. :-)
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 6 2005, 10:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 6 2005, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 6 2005, 07:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 6 2005, 07:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3. I don't confess in the Catholoic sense of the word. What I say in my prayers are personal.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Teehee.. the bible says you should. :-)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In the Catholic sense of the word meant confessing to a priest via the confessional booth (or whatever it is they call it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
As a Christian however I do confess my sins. Frequently. Often. A lot, as I sin a lot. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you wish to get technical Depot, the catholic church is counting you as a member, whether you wish to be or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Elaborate on this please, my knowledge of the Catholic faith is limited.
1. I mean in the bible it says you must confess your sins to a priest, as the catholics do.
2. Catholism counts every christian as part of their fold, which is why the catholics in the world number around two billion according to the population count. No matter if you say you are Catholic or not, you are counted as one of them. Its like the borg... but not quite as mean, sometimes.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 6 2005, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 6 2005, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1. I mean in the bible it says you must confess your sins to a priest, as the catholics do.
2. Catholism counts every christian as part of their fold, which is why the catholics in the world number around two billion according to the population count. No matter if you say you are Catholic or not, you are counted as one of them. Its like the borg... but not quite as mean, sometimes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you are wrong, the protestants dont confess to priests, and yes i dont care how many søndags skoler there is in denmark, i have never heard nor seen one...
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 6 2005, 12:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 6 2005, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 6 2005, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 6 2005, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1. I mean in the bible it says you must confess your sins to a priest, as the catholics do.
2. Catholism counts every christian as part of their fold, which is why the catholics in the world number around two billion according to the population count. No matter if you say you are Catholic or not, you are counted as one of them. Its like the borg... but not quite as mean, sometimes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you are wrong, the protestants dont confess to priests, and yes i dont care how many søndags skoler there is in denmark, i have never heard nor seen one...
that they exist in is just so weird <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The fact that you don't confess to a priest means that you're a Protestant, it does not mean that the Bible doesn't say you have to. (I love double + triple negatives).
And, the mystery remains, why I am the "sux at Protestant". <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well since metalcat seems to be unable to take on and/or convey thoughts correctly as to why depot "sux" at being Protestant.
I shall do it, I am bored at work, humor me. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Depot, you sux at being protestant because you do not follow what the bible tells you to do. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*edit* This ones for metalcat.
Metalcat, you sux at being Protestant because you do not follow the bible either. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sowry I rained on your parade. *sobs uncontrollably* <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Earth to Metalcat, come in please, we WUB joo. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 6 2005, 04:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 6 2005, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm fairly sure he is sleeping now since it is quite late in the Denmark. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hrmmmmmm, at 3:32pmEST when I posted that, it was 9:32pmCET. If that's "quite late", you're more of an early bird than I am. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well according to "world time and clock.com" it is Current time Monday, June 6, 2005 at 10:41:08 PM CEST.
He did say he usually goes to bed at 10... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i just got so angry at you saying that most protestants do this and do that.
Because its really what country your from that dictate how you see religion, i will get the posts i made about this earlier
ok here it is,
This is what palmaneen wrote: The thing about protestantism in Scandinavia is that it's mostly just a part of our culture. Many of us confirmate without believing anything of it, just like we're given a name and marry in church.
I think the main difference between protestantism and catholisism is that we don't confess, we don't follow the pope and we don't idolize saints. Generally though, religious people I know believe in God and Jesus, and that's it. I, like many of my friends who are confirmated, did it just to get presents and because everyone else in our families are. If I could choose now though I would never have done it.
You have to live here to know how it is. I don't think it's that bad. All it does is give us a different, not necessarily bad, view on religion.
Over here, most people have realized by themselves that religion is just something someone made up some thousand years ago and it's hard for us to understand how someone can take religion so seriously. I at least, feel an urge to try to enlighten people who hasn't already reached that conclusion.
The problem is that in other big seriously religious countries, like say the US, there are believers and non-believers and there is no reason behind their arguments. Most non-believers call themselves atheists because it sounds cool and don't believe in God because their parents do. The believers are used to only hearing stupid comments and when a good argument actually comes up the believers tend to shut their ears, and the atmosphere gets unfriendly quite fast. Of course we have highly religious people over here as well and it's impossible to talk to them, but not to the same extent.
I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it. There is no way everyone would give up religion just like that one day. But it bothers me that it still has such big influence. Especially on politics.
and this is me:
In Denmark when i was born, my family had a cerimony in the church where i got my name, when it was december, we celebrated chrismas and gave each others present, whitout thinking about that it was jesuses birthday (poor jesus). Each sunday some people (mostly old retired people) go to the church and hear some priest say some things, there are extremly little people that does this, mainly becuase its boring, as we have no gospel choir. Then when i was 13, i say yes to my confirmation because everybody else (or nearly) in Denmark does so, its part of my culture and i got a kickass party and presents.
When i find a lovely girl, i will then get married (i dont like marriage but maybe she does tounge.gif) with her in a church, when we have a child we will give that child its name in a church, we will then hope that it says yes to its confirmation because we are going to have a kickass party. Then my parents will die, and we will hold a cerimony in the church and bury them in the graveyard. (the direct translation of this word to english is chuchyard)
my child will then have a child that will have his name in the chuch, and so on i think you got the idea.
we have done this in really many years in Denmark and i think we will continue to do so as its our culture and our traditions, thats the way of the protestants. (no offense to other countries)
Yet metacal, that isn't the way of protestants, in fact since you are not following what the bible tells you do to. The whole essence of being a protestant is lost on you, which is sad in a way. If you wish to have ceromonies that invlove religion you should never lose track of their meaning. After all, the religious rites have no meaning if there is no faith behind it, reguardless of country and/or culture.
Thank you Metalcat for enlightening us all to the vast cultural differences amongst the Protestant religion.
I hope you find this special girl that does tongue.gif too. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 7 2005, 07:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 7 2005, 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thank you Metalcat for enlightening us all to the vast cultural differences amongst the Protestant religion.
I hope you find this special girl that does tongue.gif too. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> is this an insult?
Comments
(Different translations mean different things and allow for different interpetations.)
Demostration time.
Lutherans, read from the NSAB, and NIV translations after they stopped reading the KJV.
Methodist stick with the KJV.(Hence the nickname Fanatics)
Baptist have been known to use the NLT, and KJV.
Mormon, they have their own translation, including but not limited to the book of mormon.
Roman Catholics like to use the KJV, and NIV.
Eastern Orthodox use the NSAB, NIV, NLT, although I have seen the ASV used as well.
If it was truly infallible, the bible would account for the infallibility of people, surely? (: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Depends on how you see it. I see the Bible as being infallible, yet if you took my interpretation against any of the other Christians here, it would be likely very different. That is because I'm not an infallible being <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just because the word is correct also doesn' t mean we are fully able to interpret what God was meaning in every case, that would be highly arrogant to assume. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fair point. I guess it really depends on how strict God is on some matters. If it turns out that all these interpretations are viable, then it's all cool. Otherwise, it seems a bit mean of Him. (;
While God is a being way above our ken, my understanding was that He used the bible as a means of telling people how to live (or something like that). As such, I don't think it's too cocky to assume you can understand what He tells you in the bible.
It is very cocky to assume you know which book is real and which isn't. Assuming there even is a god.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it was truly infallible, the bible would account for the infallibility of people, surely? (: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Depends on how you see it. I see the Bible as being infallible, yet if you took my interpretation against any of the other Christians here, it would be likely very different. That is because I'm not an infallible being <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just because the word is correct also doesn' t mean we are fully able to interpret what God was meaning in every case, that would be highly arrogant to assume. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, it completely depends on how you see it. As above, I think that today's variety in Christian Traditions reflects more on the falliability of man, it is still a situation which does not reflect on the falliability or infalliability of the book. To me, the Bible is no more and no less the Word of God than any other book out there. Thus, due to its existence as an inanimate object, it is not inherently subject to falliability.
Account for the infalliability of people? Hah.
What?
My thoughts exactly. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion.
As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know.
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THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
NO saying this is ironic! i know it is
I have a sudden urge to join the preisthood.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion.
As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know.
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THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
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I am Protestant Metalcat, <b>NOT</b> to be confused with Catholic.
I already showed you where Sunday Schools exist in Denmark. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*Edit*
If you wish to get technical Depot, the catholic church is counting you as a member, whether you wish to be or not. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion.
As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know.
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THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
NO saying this is ironic! i know it is <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am Protestant Metalcat, <b>NOT</b> to be confused with Catholic.
I already showed you where Sunday Schools exist in Denmark. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
in denmark, i have never heard seen or even read about a sunday school, none of my friends ever had and i dont think the politicans ever have, my father nor mother ever have.
I must assume that like that school is on of the only ones in Denmark and dont have very many pupils
you didnt answer tha questions
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You'd have to allow Cyndane access also. As I recall she was adamant Sunday Schools do not allow discussion of the Bible , only teaching it (she had NO proof). I am living proof that discussion of the Bible in Sunday School exists, and often in the Protestant religion.
As noted, adult Sunday Schools are popular amongst the Protestant religion, and not necessarily limited to any particular region as far as I know.
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THIS IS NOT TRUE, ONLY WHERE YOU COME FORM DONT GENERALIZE!!!
NO saying this is ironic! i know it is <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am Protestant Metalcat, <b>NOT</b> to be confused with Catholic.
I already showed you where Sunday Schools exist in Denmark. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
in denmark, i have never heard seen or even read about a sunday school, none of my friends ever had and i dont think the politicans ever have, my father nor mother ever have.
I must assume that like that school is on of the only ones in Denmark and dont have very many pupils
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1. I do not go to a Catholic church, I am Protestant.
2. Of course I care about God.
3. I don't confess in the Catholoic sense of the word. What I say in my prayers are personal.
4. Yes, if/when I attend services I tithe.
I don't understand how your line of questioning will help you, especially as 2 of them apply to a religion I don't practice.
As to Sunday School in Denmark, the Danish National Church, <a href='http://www.soendagsskoler.dk/index.php?id=5' target='_blank'>the National Church of Denmark</a>, <a href='http://www.farsinet.com/icc/europe.html' target='_blank'>Church of Love in Denmark</a>, <a href='http://www.cityofelliotlake.com/worship.html' target='_blank'>First Baptist and Gentle Sheppard Churches</a>, and the list goes on, and on, and on. Google is your friend, try it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Teehee.. the bible says you should. :-)
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Teehee.. the bible says you should. :-)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the Catholic sense of the word meant confessing to a priest via the confessional booth (or whatever it is they call it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
As a Christian however I do confess my sins. Frequently. Often. A lot, as I sin a lot. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you wish to get technical Depot, the catholic church is counting you as a member, whether you wish to be or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Elaborate on this please, my knowledge of the Catholic faith is limited.
2. Catholism counts every christian as part of their fold, which is why the catholics in the world number around two billion according to the population count. No matter if you say you are Catholic or not, you are counted as one of them. Its like the borg... but not quite as mean, sometimes.
2. Catholism counts every christian as part of their fold, which is why the catholics in the world number around two billion according to the population count. No matter if you say you are Catholic or not, you are counted as one of them. Its like the borg... but not quite as mean, sometimes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
you are wrong, the protestants dont confess to priests, and yes i dont care how many søndags skoler there is in denmark, i have never heard nor seen one...
that they exist in is just so weird
2. Catholism counts every christian as part of their fold, which is why the catholics in the world number around two billion according to the population count. No matter if you say you are Catholic or not, you are counted as one of them. Its like the borg... but not quite as mean, sometimes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you are wrong, the protestants dont confess to priests, and yes i dont care how many søndags skoler there is in denmark, i have never heard nor seen one...
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The fact that you don't confess to a priest means that you're a Protestant, it does not mean that the Bible doesn't say you have to. (I love double + triple negatives).
I shall do it, I am bored at work, humor me. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Depot, you sux at being protestant because you do not follow what the bible tells you to do. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*edit* This ones for metalcat.
Metalcat, you sux at being Protestant because you do not follow the bible either. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In answer to your question, I do not know why he singled you out, however if he was to be more accurate, he would have stated.
"Christians suck at being christian"(Strictly in biblical terms) because there is more truth to that then just you "sux" at being protestant.
Earth to Metalcat, come in please, we WUB joo. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Hrmmmmmm, at 3:32pmEST when I posted that, it was 9:32pmCET. If that's "quite late", you're more of an early bird than I am. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
He did say he usually goes to bed at 10... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Because its really what country your from that dictate how you see religion, i will get the posts i made about this earlier
ok here it is,
This is what palmaneen wrote:
The thing about protestantism in Scandinavia is that it's mostly just a part of our culture. Many of us confirmate without believing anything of it, just like we're given a name and marry in church.
I think the main difference between protestantism and catholisism is that we don't confess, we don't follow the pope and we don't idolize saints. Generally though, religious people I know believe in God and Jesus, and that's it.
I, like many of my friends who are confirmated, did it just to get presents and because everyone else in our families are. If I could choose now though I would never have done it.
You have to live here to know how it is. I don't think it's that bad. All it does is give us a different, not necessarily bad, view on religion.
Over here, most people have realized by themselves that religion is just something someone made up some thousand years ago and it's hard for us to understand how someone can take religion so seriously. I at least, feel an urge to try to enlighten people who hasn't already reached that conclusion.
The problem is that in other big seriously religious countries, like say the US, there are believers and non-believers and there is no reason behind their arguments. Most non-believers call themselves atheists because it sounds cool and don't believe in God because their parents do. The believers are used to only hearing stupid comments and when a good argument actually comes up the believers tend to shut their ears, and the atmosphere gets unfriendly quite fast. Of course we have highly religious people over here as well and it's impossible to talk to them, but not to the same extent.
I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it. There is no way everyone would give up religion just like that one day. But it bothers me that it still has such big influence. Especially on politics.
and this is me:
In Denmark when i was born, my family had a cerimony in the church where i got my name, when it was december, we celebrated chrismas and gave each others present, whitout thinking about that it was jesuses birthday (poor jesus).
Each sunday some people (mostly old retired people) go to the church and hear some priest say some things, there are extremly little people that does this, mainly becuase its boring, as we have no gospel choir.
Then when i was 13, i say yes to my confirmation because everybody else (or nearly) in Denmark does so, its part of my culture and i got a kickass party and presents.
When i find a lovely girl, i will then get married (i dont like marriage but maybe she does tounge.gif) with her in a church, when we have a child we will give that child its name in a church, we will then hope that it says yes to its confirmation because we are going to have a kickass party.
Then my parents will die, and we will hold a cerimony in the church and bury them in the graveyard. (the direct translation of this word to english is chuchyard)
my child will then have a child that will have his name in the chuch, and so on i think you got the idea.
we have done this in really many years in Denmark and i think we will continue to do so as its our culture and our traditions, thats the way of the protestants. (no offense to other countries)
I hope you find this special girl that does tongue.gif too. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I hope you find this special girl that does tongue.gif too. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
is this an insult?
@cyndane, i hate the bible