<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 8 2005, 01:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 8 2005, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, obviously using religious labels isn't working. Let's use political labels. In America, we have Democrats and Republicans, Independents, Green party etc. Why call yourself a Republican if you hate what they stand for and you're really agree with Democrats? I think this is what theyre trying to say.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Yes</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Perfect Sirus. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But obviously you do care. I mean... the last couple pages it's fairly obvious what you believe. You're an agnostic or atheist (depending on whether you say there's no god, or that you just don't know). Ideology isn't genetic. So it's not like saying that you're Polish or Dutch, so it's not hereditary. When it comes to religion, you associate with it, not the other way around. You choose to be a Christian or Muslim, it doesn't choose you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sirus+Jun 8 2005, 02:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jun 8 2005, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But obviously you do care. I mean... the last couple pages it's fairly obvious what you believe. You're an agnostic or atheist (depending on whether you say there's no god, or that you just don't know). Ideology isn't genetic. So it's not like saying that you're Polish or Dutch, so it's not hereditary. When it comes to religion, you associate with it, not the other way around. <b>You choose to be a Christian or Muslim, it doesn't choose you. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it does chose you, if i lived in america i probaly be catholic if i lived in india probaly hindu
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i would like seeing you running around screaming IM A CHRISTIAN when living in some kind of muslim state<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and im not atheist im protestant<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, you can't say we didn't try to help you make sense of it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 8 2005, 02:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 8 2005, 02:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i would like seeing you running around screaming IM A CHRISTIAN when living in some kind of muslim state <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about what you believe in, not what you might pretend to be.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and im not atheist im protestant<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hnnnnnng
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 8 2005, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 8 2005, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i would like seeing you running around screaming IM A CHRISTIAN when living in some kind of muslim state
and im not atheist im protestant <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So you are scared of saying you are not protestant in a country where 72% of the people are not protestant...
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 8 2005, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 8 2005, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i would like seeing you running around screaming IM A CHRISTIAN when living in some kind of muslim state
and im not atheist im protestant <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you are scared of saying you are not protestant in a country where 72% of the people are not protestant...
Logical fallacy... *head asplodes* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> YOU ARE NOT MAKING THE SENSE
THE VAST MAJORITY OF DENMARK IS PROTESTANT STOP THE **** *ninja edit* <!--QuoteBegin-Sirus+Jun 8 2005, 02:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jun 8 2005, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But obviously you do care. I mean... the last couple pages it's fairly obvious what you believe. You're an agnostic or atheist (depending on whether you say there's no god, or that you just don't know). Ideology isn't genetic. So it's not like saying that you're Polish or Dutch, so it's not hereditary. When it comes to religion, you associate with it, not the other way around. <b>You choose to be a Christian or Muslim, it doesn't choose you. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it does chose you, if i lived in america i probaly be catholic if i lived in india probaly hindu
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 10:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-www.religionstatistics.net+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (www.religionstatistics.net)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5.300.000 inhab. - Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim. -<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors; 6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 17% Atheist + 19% Agnostic + 6% Pseudoatheist + 19% Deists + 6% New Age(wiccan, magiks) + 5% neodoukhobors = 72%
100%(of population) - 72%(said they are NOT protestant) = 28% that claim to be protestant...
Where is the majority again? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> who the hell did this test? someone that thought that not protestant meant protestant and virsa versa?
Actually it was your government funded census department, the one that is in charge of knowing a very good estimate for who is who in the country.
Age, population, family size, etc.
Breakdown of US religions. (India actually is split buddism%60 and hinduism%40. There are also some Jainist, and Confusists as well.) <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> Religious Preference June 1996 March 2001 March 2002 Christian 84 82 82 Jewish 1 1 1 Muslim * 1 * Other non-Christian 3 2 1 Atheist * 1 1 Agnostic * 2 2 No preference 11 8 10 Don't know/Refused 1 2 1 <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> That is a very basic break down of the us, it does not get into different religious sects of christianity. You would likely be protestant, but I can't find any obvious details. *edit* About the above stats, they were taking as you can see three times, from a group of 2,002 adults. With this disclaimer, since the US government does not record religious followings, and hasn't for over 50 years. (We don't care what religion you are, at least the government doesn't.) <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christianity. Note that in the NSRI and ARIS studies, based on self-identification, Christianity includes: Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, Methodist/Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Pentecostal/Charismatic, Episcopalian/Anglican, Mormon/Latter-day Saints/LDS, Churches of Christ, Jehovah's Witness, Seventh-Day Adventist, Assemblies of God, Holiness/Holy, Congregational/United Church of Christ, Church of the Nazarine, Church of God, Eastern Orthodox, Evangelical, Mennonite, Christian Science, Church of the Brethren, Born Again, Nondenominational Christians, Disciples of Christ, Reformed/Dutch Reformed, Apostolic/New Apostolic, Quaker, Full Gospel, Christian Reform, Foursquare Gospel, Fundamentalist, Salvation Army, Independent Christian Church, Covenant Church, Jewish Christians, plus 240,000 adults classified as "other" (who did not fall into the preceding groups <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
tch tch, Cyndane you should know by now never to confuse a good argument with facts (yes, I'm just being facetious)
Religion definitely does not choose you. At least not if you actually care enough to make your own choice. I suppose there could be an apathetism label floating around for those who do not. Have never met anyone who matched with my beliefs, much less a convenient majority to make it the default choice. Doesn't bother me a bit.
If you can't find something that feels right in your heart, then what is the point of self-identifying with a faith at all? ("self-identifying" to distinguish from people who lie to their families or friends, which is another problem entirely)
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jun 8 2005, 12:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jun 8 2005, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 8 2005, 10:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 8 2005, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The complicated part is <i>actually following the religion's rules</i>. You're no more protestant than a (confirmed) doorknob. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> which i dont, yet still, i think that like 1% in my whole frikken country does so why should i care? its only really like america, that actually care so much for the bible that they dont want their kids to be teached about darwin (silly americans) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And Europeans think Americans are ignorant about the rest of the world. Don't believe everything (or even most) of what you read/hear about what "Americans" think/believe/want. The majority of politically-active people are religious, and a good percentage of them would probably want to subdue or eliminate teaching evolution alone in schools. However, the majority of Americans subscribe to the theory of evolution, thank you, and would be quite **** if evolution got replaced by Creationism in schools.
Of course, that majority hardly ever shows up to the ballot boxes, so it really doesn't matter. >_>
Also, Metalcat, atheists in America celebrate Christmas too, for the presents. If that's all you're getting out of being a protestant, YOU ARE NOT A PROTESTANT. You claim to be one, just as a lot of Americans claim to be Christian when in real life they rarely if ever go to Church (3 times a year max, for the big holidays) and have probably never done community service in the name of their faith in their lives.
I'm afraid that the topic has been successfully hijacked. In addition, I think enough has been said about the hijacked topic. So in an effort to prevent the hijacked topic from being hijacked again and leading to something else, I'll <span style='color:red'>*Lock*</span> the thread.
*edit* In addition, if you'd like to create a new thread about "What it means to be Protestant" or something to that degree, by all means, go ahead. However, this thread is no longer the place to do it.
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<b>Yes</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perfect Sirus. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes it does chose you, if i lived in america i probaly be catholic if i lived in india probaly hindu
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
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and im not atheist im protestant<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, you can't say we didn't try to help you make sense of it.
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about what you believe in, not what you might pretend to be.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and im not atheist im protestant<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hnnnnnng
Edit: Sirus was quicker off the mark.
and im not atheist im protestant <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you are scared of saying you are not protestant in a country where 72% of the people are not protestant...
Logical fallacy... *head asplodes*
and im not atheist im protestant <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you are scared of saying you are not protestant in a country where 72% of the people are not protestant...
Logical fallacy... *head asplodes* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
YOU ARE NOT MAKING THE SENSE
THE VAST MAJORITY OF DENMARK IS PROTESTANT STOP THE ****
*ninja edit*
<!--QuoteBegin-Sirus+Jun 8 2005, 02:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jun 8 2005, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But obviously you do care. I mean... the last couple pages it's fairly obvious what you believe. You're an agnostic or atheist (depending on whether you say there's no god, or that you just don't know). Ideology isn't genetic. So it's not like saying that you're Polish or Dutch, so it's not hereditary. When it comes to religion, you associate with it, not the other way around. <b>You choose to be a Christian or Muslim, it doesn't choose you. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it does chose you, if i lived in america i probaly be catholic if i lived in india probaly hindu
5.300.000 inhab.
- Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim.
-<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors;
6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b>
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
17% Atheist + 19% Agnostic + 6% Pseudoatheist + 19% Deists + 6% New Age(wiccan, magiks) + 5% neodoukhobors = 72%
100%(of population) - 72%(said they are NOT protestant) = 28% that claim to be protestant...
Where is the majority again?
5.300.000 inhab.
- Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim.
-<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors;
6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b>
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
17% Atheist + 19% Agnostic + 6% Pseudoatheist + 19% Deists + 6% New Age(wiccan, magiks) + 5% neodoukhobors = 72%
100%(of population) - 72%(said they are NOT protestant) = 28% that claim to be protestant...
Where is the majority again? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
who the hell did this test? someone that thought that not protestant meant protestant and virsa versa?
Age, population, family size, etc.
Breakdown of US religions. (India actually is split buddism%60 and hinduism%40. There are also some Jainist, and Confusists as well.)
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->
Religious Preference June 1996 March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
That is a very basic break down of the us, it does not get into different religious sects of christianity. You would likely be protestant, but I can't find any obvious details.
*edit* About the above stats, they were taking as you can see three times, from a group of 2,002 adults. With this disclaimer, since the US government does not record religious followings, and hasn't for over 50 years. (We don't care what religion you are, at least the government doesn't.)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Christianity. Note that in the NSRI and ARIS studies, based on self-identification, Christianity includes: Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, Methodist/Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Pentecostal/Charismatic, Episcopalian/Anglican, Mormon/Latter-day Saints/LDS, Churches of Christ, Jehovah's Witness, Seventh-Day Adventist, Assemblies of God, Holiness/Holy, Congregational/United Church of Christ, Church of the Nazarine, Church of God, Eastern Orthodox, Evangelical, Mennonite, Christian Science, Church of the Brethren, Born Again, Nondenominational Christians, Disciples of Christ, Reformed/Dutch Reformed, Apostolic/New Apostolic, Quaker, Full Gospel, Christian Reform, Foursquare Gospel, Fundamentalist, Salvation Army, Independent Christian Church, Covenant Church, Jewish Christians, plus 240,000 adults classified as "other" (who did not fall into the preceding groups
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Religion definitely does not choose you. At least not if you actually care enough to make your own choice. I suppose there could be an apathetism label floating around for those who do not. Have never met anyone who matched with my beliefs, much less a convenient majority to make it the default choice. Doesn't bother me a bit.
If you can't find something that feels right in your heart, then what is the point of self-identifying with a faith at all? ("self-identifying" to distinguish from people who lie to their families or friends, which is another problem entirely)
/passes off the soapbox
which i dont, yet still, i think that like 1% in my whole frikken country does so why should i care? its only really like america, that actually care so much for the bible that they dont want their kids to be teached about darwin (silly americans) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And Europeans think Americans are ignorant about the rest of the world. Don't believe everything (or even most) of what you read/hear about what "Americans" think/believe/want. The majority of politically-active people are religious, and a good percentage of them would probably want to subdue or eliminate teaching evolution alone in schools. However, the majority of Americans subscribe to the theory of evolution, thank you, and would be quite **** if evolution got replaced by Creationism in schools.
Of course, that majority hardly ever shows up to the ballot boxes, so it really doesn't matter. >_>
Also, Metalcat, atheists in America celebrate Christmas too, for the presents. If that's all you're getting out of being a protestant, YOU ARE NOT A PROTESTANT. You claim to be one, just as a lot of Americans claim to be Christian when in real life they rarely if ever go to Church (3 times a year max, for the big holidays) and have probably never done community service in the name of their faith in their lives.
*edit*
In addition, if you'd like to create a new thread about "What it means to be Protestant" or something to that degree, by all means, go ahead. However, this thread is no longer the place to do it.