I remember long ago during the forced bible school sessions i went to that... If god were ever to be proven to exist, it would... undo faith somehow... and god would stop existing along with everything he made (IE: Us).
Thus i think its a good idea for everyone else to prove that god DOESN'T exist because i sure wouldn't want the alternative. I may not believe in him... but i wouldn't want to undo existance to truely see if i was wrong. I'm not a selfish bastard.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Jun 7 2005, 05:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Jun 7 2005, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Contradictions, inaccuracies, and plain cruelty in the bible, for one. In the bible, God tells Moses that all homosexuals should be put to death. I'd say that is evidence against God existing. It shows the signs of the times and it shows that it's man made. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, no he doesn't, god says nothing about homosexuality as we know it. Male and female prostitution however, is a different matter. The translators of said time wanted it to be that way because it is "bad" and "unnatural" while science clearly shows us it is quite natural and occurs not just within humans.
<!--QuoteBegin-legionaired+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (legionaired)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am curious as to why the onotological argument, or variations thereof, are so rarely brought up on this forum. Are we simply not that philisophical here? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, there are not a lot of people here who are acquanited with the onotological arguement, nor the understanding of it to actively persue such a deep topic (for a computer forum not filled with people who have doctorates of philosophy.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 7 2005, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 7 2005, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for the support snidely, but yes neither of you are protestant unless you follow the bible which is what christ/god tells you to do. :-)
You can claim it all you want, but since you don't follow it, and don't even try to claim that you are. For you are not protestant/catholic/christian. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your feeble attempts to convince a handfull of forum viewers that I am not a Christian or Protestant will fall on deaf ears of those in the know.
<b>I am a Christian, and I am a Protestant.</b> I know that I am, my family knows that I am, my Pastor tells me I am, my church's congregation knows that I am, and most importantly <b>God knows that I am a Christian and a Protestant.</b>
I follow the Bible to the best of my ability. Sometimes I slip, sometimes I fall, we <b>ALL</b> sin. To sin hardly means you lose your Christianity. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 8 2005, 07:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 8 2005, 07:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 7 2005, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 7 2005, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for the support snidely, but yes neither of you are protestant unless you follow the bible which is what christ/god tells you to do. :-)
You can claim it all you want, but since you don't follow it, and don't even try to claim that you are. For you are not protestant/catholic/christian. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your feeble attempts to convince a handfull of forum viewers that I am not a Christian or Protestant will fall on deaf ears of those in the know.
<b>I am a Christian, and I am a Protestant.</b> I know that I am, my family knows that I am, my Pastor tells me I am, my church's congregation knows that I am, and most importantly <b>God knows that I am a Christian and a Protestant.</b>
I follow the Bible to the best of my ability. Sometimes I slip, sometimes I fall, we <b>ALL</b> sin. To sin hardly means you lose your Christianity. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually it won't, because anyone who has actually read the bible, will realize that you are not following. You could easily be better, if you would actually read what you are supposed to do.
I would suggest you start with Lectivius(10 commandments, and holy codified laws) and work your way on from there.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 09:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> anyone who has actually read the bible, will realize that you are not following. You could easily be better, if you would actually read what you are supposed to do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Again, you're saying that sinners (re: those that could easily be better) are not Christians or Protestants. This simply is untrue and there's no way you can prove otherwise.
14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Works for me, since you are not protestant. :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> cyndane im getting very annoyed, yes i am protestant, ask my priest, ask my goverment, ask my mother?
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 8 2005, 09:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 8 2005, 09:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 7 2005, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 7 2005, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for the support snidely, but yes neither of you are protestant unless you follow the bible which is what christ/god tells you to do. :-)
You can claim it all you want, but since you don't follow it, and don't even try to claim that you are. For you are not protestant/catholic/christian. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your feeble attempts to convince a handfull of forum viewers that I am not a Christian or Protestant will fall on deaf ears of those in the know.
<b>I am a Christian, and I am a Protestant.</b> I know that I am, my family knows that I am, my Pastor tells me I am, my church's congregation knows that I am, and most importantly <b>God knows that I am a Christian and a Protestant.</b>
I follow the Bible to the best of my ability. Sometimes I slip, sometimes I fall, we <b>ALL</b> sin. To sin hardly means you lose your Christianity. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> QFT! Yes, I am quoting myself just to remind you all. I shall not debate this any further to appease a select few. I am a Christian and a Protestant, and proud of it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 09:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then why do you hate the bible so much? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> because i hate religion
also i cant do some of the traditions if im not christian.
Or at least i think so never actually checked it out?
See the main thing I do not understand from you metalcat. Well actually there are two things.
1. You hate religion, yet you claim to be of a religion. (Tradition or not) <--oxymoron 2. You hate the bible, yet your religion follows it, which you hate. <--inherent contradition
It really doesn't make sense to me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
*edit*
You can actually perform any religious rites you wish(from any religion), you may not have the blessing of the religious entities, but you are more then welcome to perform them. If they mean something to you, that is the one condition I like to abide by.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 8 2005, 09:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 8 2005, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The complicated part is <i>actually following the religion's rules</i>. You're no more protestant than a (confirmed) doorknob. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For a second there snidely I could have sworn that read "dorknob". <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 8 2005, 10:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 8 2005, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The complicated part is <i>actually following the religion's rules</i>. You're no more protestant than a (confirmed) doorknob. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> which i dont, yet still, i think that like 1% in my whole frikken country does so why should i care? its only really like america, that actually care so much for the bible that they dont want their kids to be teached about darwin (silly americans)
<!--QuoteBegin-www.religionstatistics.net+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (www.religionstatistics.net)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5.300.000 inhab. - Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim. -<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors; 6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Looks to be about 72% do not believe in the protestant view of the world.
Of course that still leaves the other 28% that still declare themselves to be protestant, yet only 15% (maximum) actually are Lutheran. (Practicing) The rest are pseudo-christian(Sects of Protestant that are not Lutheran).
@Metalcat: What we are trying to understand, is why you use a label to yourself, when it obviously doesn't apply. Wouldn't being called an athiest/agnostic work out better and fit more with your views?
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 11:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-www.religionstatistics.net+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (www.religionstatistics.net)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5.300.000 inhab. - Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim. -<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors; 6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Looks to be about 72% do not believe in the protestant view of the world.
Of course that still leaves the other 28% that still declare themselves to be protestant, yet only 15% (maximum) actually are Lutheran. (Practicing) The rest are pseudo-christian(Sects of Protestant that are not Lutheran).
@Metalcat: What we are trying to understand, is why you use a label to yourself, when it obviously doesn't apply. Wouldn't being called an athiest/agnostic work out better and fit more with your views? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU?
the vast majorty of the country are protestants but dont give a **** about religion
I think you are not seeing where the contradicition comes into play.
<!--QuoteBegin-metalcat+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (metalcat)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the vast majorty of the country are protestants but dont give a **** about religion <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Contradiction right there. (You can't be something when you do not care about it.)
<!--QuoteBegin-metalcat+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (metalcat)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1. i hate religion yes, claim i be of one YES I CONFIRMATED WHERES THE COMPLICATED PART?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Contradiction
<!--QuoteBegin-metalcat+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (metalcat)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. i hate the bible, i also hate the qu'ran and any other book telling me what i can and what i can not (read: taxbooks) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Contradicition.
Let me make it a bit simpler.
You do not like religion, you do not like the bible(any holy book), yet you label yourself as part of a christian religious sect.
Then why claim to be a member of a religion? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 8 2005, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 8 2005, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I like presents.
I don't see how that applies though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> when we confirmate we get party and that party is = LOTS of presents and money.
Ok, obviously using religious labels isn't working. Let's use political labels. In America, we have Democrats and Republicans, Independents, Green party etc. Why call yourself a Republican if you hate what they stand for and you're really agree with Democrats? I think this is what theyre trying to say.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sirus+Jun 8 2005, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jun 8 2005, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, obviously using religious labels isn't working. Let's use political labels. In America, we have Democrats and Republicans, Independents, Green party etc. Why call yourself a Republican if you hate what they stand for and you're really agree with Democrats? I think this is what theyre trying to say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> no its not
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, obviously using religious labels isn't working. Let's use political labels. In America, we have Democrats and Republicans, Independents, Green party etc. Why call yourself a Republican if you hate what they stand for and you're really agree with Democrats? I think this is what theyre trying to say.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Yes</b>.
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I remember long ago during the forced bible school sessions i went to that... If god were ever to be proven to exist, it would... undo faith somehow... and god would stop existing along with everything he made (IE: Us).
Thus i think its a good idea for everyone else to prove that god DOESN'T exist because i sure wouldn't want the alternative. I may not believe in him... but i wouldn't want to undo existance to truely see if i was wrong. I'm not a selfish bastard.
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Actually, no he doesn't, god says nothing about homosexuality as we know it. Male and female prostitution however, is a different matter.
The translators of said time wanted it to be that way because it is "bad" and "unnatural" while science clearly shows us it is quite natural and occurs not just within humans.
<!--QuoteBegin-legionaired+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (legionaired)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
I am curious as to why the onotological argument, or variations thereof, are so rarely brought up on this forum. Are we simply not that philisophical here?
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, there are not a lot of people here who are acquanited with the onotological arguement, nor the understanding of it to actively persue such a deep topic (for a computer forum not filled with people who have doctorates of philosophy.
You can claim it all you want, but since you don't follow it, and don't even try to claim that you are. For you are not protestant/catholic/christian. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your feeble attempts to convince a handfull of forum viewers that I am not a Christian or Protestant will fall on deaf ears of those in the know.
<b>I am a Christian, and I am a Protestant.</b> I know that I am, my family knows that I am, my Pastor tells me I am, my church's congregation knows that I am, and most importantly <b>God knows that I am a Christian and a Protestant.</b>
I follow the Bible to the best of my ability. Sometimes I slip, sometimes I fall, we <b>ALL</b> sin. To sin hardly means you lose your Christianity. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You can claim it all you want, but since you don't follow it, and don't even try to claim that you are. For you are not protestant/catholic/christian. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your feeble attempts to convince a handfull of forum viewers that I am not a Christian or Protestant will fall on deaf ears of those in the know.
<b>I am a Christian, and I am a Protestant.</b> I know that I am, my family knows that I am, my Pastor tells me I am, my church's congregation knows that I am, and most importantly <b>God knows that I am a Christian and a Protestant.</b>
I follow the Bible to the best of my ability. Sometimes I slip, sometimes I fall, we <b>ALL</b> sin. To sin hardly means you lose your Christianity. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually it won't, because anyone who has actually read the bible, will realize that you are not following. You could easily be better, if you would actually read what you are supposed to do.
I would suggest you start with Lectivius(10 commandments, and holy codified laws) and work your way on from there.
Again, you're saying that sinners (re: those that could easily be better) are not Christians or Protestants. This simply is untrue and there's no way you can prove otherwise.
sirus, lets make a religion based on star wars, lets call it fictionism.
It will say that the earth was build by the force and that luke skywalker will greet us when we die.
It will say that all animals are biology-droids, and that all who believe in another religion has joined the darkside.
But we will need some good values and morals dont you think?
Lets see, dont join the dark side (other religions), dont steal, dont kill yourself.
What do we need now? some good martyr story? Cerimonies? Churches? Disiples?
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14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead
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cyndane im getting very annoyed, yes i am protestant, ask my priest, ask my goverment, ask my mother?
You can claim it all you want, but since you don't follow it, and don't even try to claim that you are. For you are not protestant/catholic/christian. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your feeble attempts to convince a handfull of forum viewers that I am not a Christian or Protestant will fall on deaf ears of those in the know.
<b>I am a Christian, and I am a Protestant.</b> I know that I am, my family knows that I am, my Pastor tells me I am, my church's congregation knows that I am, and most importantly <b>God knows that I am a Christian and a Protestant.</b>
I follow the Bible to the best of my ability. Sometimes I slip, sometimes I fall, we <b>ALL</b> sin. To sin hardly means you lose your Christianity. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
QFT! Yes, I am quoting myself just to remind you all. I shall not debate this any further to appease a select few. I am a Christian and a Protestant, and proud of it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
because i hate religion
also i cant do some of the traditions if im not christian.
Or at least i think so never actually checked it out?
1. You hate religion, yet you claim to be of a religion. (Tradition or not) <--oxymoron
2. You hate the bible, yet your religion follows it, which you hate. <--inherent contradition
It really doesn't make sense to me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
*edit*
You can actually perform any religious rites you wish(from any religion), you may not have the blessing of the religious entities, but you are more then welcome to perform them. If they mean something to you, that is the one condition I like to abide by.
1. i hate religion yes, claim i be of one YES I CONFIRMATED WHERES THE COMPLICATED PART??
2. i hate the bible, i also hate the qu'ran and any other book telling me what i can and what i can not (read: taxbooks)
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which i dont, yet still, i think that like 1% in my whole frikken country does so why should i care? its only really like america, that actually care so much for the bible that they dont want their kids to be teached about darwin (silly americans)
5.300.000 inhab.
- Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim.
-<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors;
6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b>
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Looks to be about 72% do not believe in the protestant view of the world.
Of course that still leaves the other 28% that still declare themselves to be protestant, yet only 15% (maximum) actually are Lutheran. (Practicing)
The rest are pseudo-christian(Sects of Protestant that are not Lutheran).
@Metalcat: What we are trying to understand, is why you use a label to yourself, when it obviously doesn't apply. Wouldn't being called an athiest/agnostic work out better and fit more with your views?
5.300.000 inhab.
- Usual statistics: 90% Lutheran (Danish Church). Around a one percent Muslim.
-<b> New statistic: 17% Atheist; 19% Agnostic; 6% Pseudoatheist (ISSP98); 19% Deists; 6% New Age; 5% neodoukhobors;
6-14% Pseudochristian (it depends on what poll we compute, the WVS or the ISSP); a 15-7% Lutheran. </b>
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Looks to be about 72% do not believe in the protestant view of the world.
Of course that still leaves the other 28% that still declare themselves to be protestant, yet only 15% (maximum) actually are Lutheran. (Practicing)
The rest are pseudo-christian(Sects of Protestant that are not Lutheran).
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YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU?
the vast majorty of the country are protestants but dont give a **** about religion
I think you are not seeing where the contradicition comes into play.
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the vast majorty of the country are protestants but dont give a **** about religion
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Contradiction right there. (You can't be something when you do not care about it.)
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1. i hate religion yes, claim i be of one YES I CONFIRMATED WHERES THE COMPLICATED PART??
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Contradiction
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2. i hate the bible, i also hate the qu'ran and any other book telling me what i can and what i can not (read: taxbooks)
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Contradicition.
Let me make it a bit simpler.
You do not like religion, you do not like the bible(any holy book), yet you label yourself as part of a christian religious sect.
Do you not see why that is confusing to us?
to make it simpler for cyndane who obiusly only can see things her way: Denmark says **** you to religion
Where to go with that....
Denmark hates religion (at least 72% anyway) yet they(Metalcat) claim a religious label...
Logical?
but we do it because: our father did it, our mother did it, their parents and so on.
PLUS WE GET PRESENTS, dont underrate the presents
I don't see how that applies though.
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when we confirmate we get party and that party is = LOTS of presents and money.
again its all about traditions and culture
no its not
<b>Yes</b>.