EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited August 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1643132:date=Aug 10 2007, 12:47 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Aug 10 2007, 12:47 AM) [snapback]1643132[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> affliction warlock is pretty easy in pvp - just stay at max range, never stand still, tab target, insta dot a lot of people, kite them, and insta fear them if they actually manage to close in on you. if they resist or are immune to fear, whip out the death coil. of course I'm assuming level 60+. and if your style is standing still spamming shadowbolts you're better off with a mage. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No no, it's the other way around, warlocks used to be OP, before they put seduce and fear on the same timer you could literally kill an enemy without it having a chance to do anything in return, we also had negative resist working for even more OPness. But we did get a tiny buff later on, more specifically, we got deathcoil with a 2 min cd with a horror effect. Also demonologist, but we lost 50% soul link :Z
The warlocks raw power was not really the question, they are hard to play if you're clumsy like me, pet management plus 3 1/2 rows of skills. I prosper way more with a priest or a mage, or even a warrior.
<!--quoteo(post=1643205:date=Aug 10 2007, 05:40 PM:name=Epidemic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Epidemic @ Aug 10 2007, 05:40 PM) [snapback]1643205[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> No no, it's the other way around, warlocks used to be OP, before they put seduce and fear on the same timer you could literally kill an enemy without it having a chance to do anything in return, we also had negative resist working for even more OPness. But we did get a tiny buff later on, more specifically, we got deathcoil with a 2 min cd with a horror effect. Also demonologist, but we lost 50% soul link :Z
The warlocks raw power was not really the question, they are hard to play if you're clumsy like me, pet management plus 3 1/2 rows of skills. I prosper way more with a priest or a mage, or even a warrior. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, I was a lazy player too - I would never bother with micromanaging seduce and stuff. just send in my felhunter and have him devour buffs and spell lock while I go to town. I think I had at least four full bars of spells by level 70, it really was pretty overwhelming in that department =p
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1643227:date=Aug 10 2007, 05:45 PM:name=PogoP)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PogoP @ Aug 10 2007, 05:45 PM) [snapback]1643227[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I got my Shaman to level 70 (Draenei) and kinda regretted it. In my opinion the coolest class, but it totally sucks at end-game. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, they're about as underpowered as they come, and they've been like that longer than the expansion has been out.
<!--quoteo(post=1643320:date=Aug 11 2007, 12:58 PM:name=Redford)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redford @ Aug 11 2007, 12:58 PM) [snapback]1643320[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Wait, so we go from everyone in VE making full of the moonkin DPS to them being called "Boomkins"?!
I really have been gone far too long. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, last I heard VE disbanded.. well, partially. and I always considered the boomkin thing to be sarcastic. Everyone knows healers aren't meant to DPS!
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
My biggest fear is a Fire Mage and a Boomkin.
Now since when can casters stunlock...<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1643195:date=Aug 10 2007, 04:20 PM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Aug 10 2007, 04:20 PM) [snapback]1643195[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and in PvE, they're only good as Enhancement DPS. Their healing ability is lackluster at best, and bringing an Elemental Shaman is more for buffing the Mages and Boomkins than it is for actually doing damage. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Our Elemental Shaman is Top 5 on the charts 90% of the time.
Chain Heal is the best healing spell in the game right now.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1643419:date=Aug 12 2007, 10:48 AM:name=pardzh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pardzh @ Aug 12 2007, 10:48 AM) [snapback]1643419[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Our Elemental Shaman is Top 5 on the charts 90% of the time. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In what, Karazhan? If he's doing that well in Gruul, you have some downright terrible DPSers. Bad gear, and don't know how to play their class.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Chain Heal is the best healing spell in the game right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, it is, but it can't make up for the things other classes bring to the table.
Shield, plain and simple, is one of the most worthwhile healing abilities out there, if only because it prevents what COULD happen. The numerous Druid HoTs make up for the shield. And Paladins can heal endlessly without slowing down(well, just about).
...Shaman get a very nice AoE heal, and then otherwise 2 healing spells that are horribly mana inefficient, and has no real way to keep a tank alive without having gear that is ridiculously out-of-proportion for the fight.
In fact, the way most Shaman healers spend raids is healing til they run out of mana, then sit there til they can put down Mana Tide. Why? Because they get nothing from Spirit like other classes do, so they stack mp5 instead, but it doesn't even compensate. The mana inefficiency is a gamekiller for a healer. Elemental Shaman are nice in PvP(but still, pretty gimped compared to other caster classes), but if they are doing that well in your raids, something is wrong with your other raiders.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1643450:date=Aug 12 2007, 03:22 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Aug 12 2007, 03:22 PM) [snapback]1643450[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> elemental shamen get crazy crit rates don't they? but yeah, still, I can't imagine them doing top 5 sustained DPS in a long fight. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup! Thats why they do so well in PvP. And really, they can do pretty decently in raids as well, but not top-5 good: There just isn't the gear out there for them to do it, without stealing Mage/Warlock gear(still not a good idea...).
<!--quoteo(post=1643470:date=Aug 12 2007, 10:09 PM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Aug 12 2007, 10:09 PM) [snapback]1643470[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Yup! Thats why they do so well in PvP. And really, they can do pretty decently in raids as well, but not top-5 good: There just isn't the gear out there for them to do it, without stealing Mage/Warlock gear(still not a good idea...). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whys that not a good idea, if it puts them in the top five of the DPS list?
<!--quoteo(post=1643445:date=Aug 12 2007, 05:51 PM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Aug 12 2007, 05:51 PM) [snapback]1643445[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> In what, Karazhan? If he's doing that well in Gruul, you have some downright terrible DPSers. Bad gear, and don't know how to play their class.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> We're learning Lurker and Hydross. VR down, Mag down. Gruul is farmed. We have 3 Kara groups.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, it is, but it can't make up for the things other classes bring to the table.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Shamans have Earth Shield, Nature's Swiftness, a spell interrupt, and totems... plus the best group Heal in the game.
Holy Priests bring Fort and Spirit.
Plus, when it comes right down to it, mana regen is a non-issue. Get some good Shadow Priests.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited August 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1643472:date=Aug 12 2007, 07:19 PM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Aug 12 2007, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1643472[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Whys that not a good idea, if it puts them in the top five of the DPS list? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
'Cause the gear misses mp5 usually- or at least, it doesn't have the mass mp5 that Shaman gear has.
<!--quoteo(post=1643473:date=Aug 12 2007, 08:34 PM:name=pardzh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pardzh @ Aug 12 2007, 08:34 PM) [snapback]1643473[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> We're learning Lurker and Hydross. VR down, Mag down. Gruul is farmed. We have 3 Kara groups. Shamans have Earth Shield, Nature's Swiftness, a spell interrupt, and totems... plus the best group Heal in the game.
Holy Priests bring Fort and Spirit.
Plus, when it comes right down to it, mana regen is a non-issue. Get some good Shadow Priests. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We always kept our Shadow Priests with healers only. And really...Earth Shield is nice and all, and Nature's Swiftness too, but they aren't even comparable to Shield or mass HoTing, not by a longshot.
BTW: Totally showing off my UI: <a href="http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wowscrnshot081207212445zr8.jpg" target="_blank">http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wo...07212445zr8.jpg</a>
BTW: Totally showing off my UI: <a href="http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wowscrnshot081207212445zr8.jpg" target="_blank">http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wo...07212445zr8.jpg</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Omg.....a uncluttered WoW UI? I didnt think it was possible. Every screenshot from WoW ive seen has like 3000 icons and windows on the screen.
<!--quoteo(post=1643476:date=Aug 13 2007, 12:12 AM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Aug 13 2007, 12:12 AM) [snapback]1643476[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We always kept our Shadow Priests with healers only.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> SP Fire Mage Fire Mage Boomkin Ele Shaman
My group in raids. We top the meters.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And really...Earth Shield is nice and all, and Nature's Swiftness too, but they aren't even comparable to Shield or mass HoTing, not by a longshot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it's PW: Shield vs. totems, NS, earth shock, earth shield?
C'mon, you can't honestly think a Holy Priest is a better raid slot than a Resto Shaman.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited August 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1643521:date=Aug 13 2007, 06:02 AM:name=Hellbilly)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hellbilly @ Aug 13 2007, 06:02 AM) [snapback]1643521[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Omg.....a uncluttered WoW UI? I didnt think it was possible. Every screenshot from WoW ive seen has like 3000 icons and windows on the screen. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've spent a lot of time on my UI. I can put more buttons on it, and in raids it has quite a bit more info- but NEVER cluttered. The entire aim of my UI is plenty of screenspace but every last bit of info you need right now onscreen, and any extra info seconds away or less.
<!--quoteo(post=1643639:date=Aug 13 2007, 02:02 PM:name=pardzh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pardzh @ Aug 13 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]1643639[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> SP Fire Mage Fire Mage Boomkin Ele Shaman
My group in raids. We top the meters. So it's PW: Shield vs. totems, NS, earth shock, earth shield?
C'mon, you can't honestly think a Holy Priest is a better raid slot than a Resto Shaman. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess its just a different raid preference. Our raids always had melee on top- Always went top 2 Rogues, me(Warrior at the time), 3rd Rogue(undergeared and new), then three casters, and finally the shammy.
Then again, Windfury is arguably the best buff in the game. Too bad the nerf <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
...and yeah, I do think a Holy Priest outweighs a Resto Shammy, but thats probably just raid preference again.
Edit: Just read this in a thread: <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the fact that they don't have a tailoring shop called "Aeris Dyes" makes me unhappy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1643521:date=Aug 13 2007, 02:02 PM:name=Hellbilly)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hellbilly @ Aug 13 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]1643521[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Omg.....a uncluttered WoW UI? I didnt think it was possible. Every screenshot from WoW ive seen has like 3000 icons and windows on the screen. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hellbilly, try <a href="http://www.zen36316.zen.co.uk/ui.jpg" target="_blank">mine</a> then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Everybody knows that for healing, priests and druids are in first and second place, probably in that order, followed by paladins. Frankly, shamans are really shafted for raiding, and it must suck immensely to reach that point and notice that you've been given the finger. It's just poor design.
They need to add a crafted gem that has spell damage and intellect, or spell damage and mana per five for Arcane Mages badly. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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<!--quoteo(post=1643826:date=Aug 15 2007, 05:18 AM:name=Bijiy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bijiy @ Aug 15 2007, 05:18 AM) [snapback]1643826[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> They need to add a crafted gem that has spell damage and intellect, or spell damage and mana per five for Arcane Mages badly. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Considering the grief they cause elsewhere, I really can't find the sympathy in my heart for our dear 3 minute Mages, and as mentioned above, there's others who could do with the work first.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quan+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quan)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->'Cause the gear misses mp5 usually- or at least, it doesn't have the mass mp5 that Shaman gear has.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think thats much of a problem if they're making top 5. =P
<!--quoteo(post=1643848:date=Aug 14 2007, 10:29 PM:name=Shockwave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shockwave @ Aug 14 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]1643848[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Considering the grief they cause elsewhere, I really can't find the sympathy in my heart for our dear 3 minute Mages, and as mentioned above, there's others who could do with the work first. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Deep Arcane, 4x-1x-0 specs are greater than fire specs for raiding once you get the gear to field the spec.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1643851:date=Aug 14 2007, 11:45 PM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Aug 14 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1643851[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I don't think thats much of a problem if they're making top 5. =P <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As said before: They honestly shouldn't be. I don't mean to insult anyone, but if your Rogues are below that of any Shaman, they are doing something wrong.
And mp5 gear is important as once a Shaman runs out of mana, thats it- there are no other benefits other than offcast mana from spirit, so mp5 takes precedence.
Just saying. You said for them to be getting top 5 they'd have to be stealing the mage gear, so I'm wondering, if they're already in the top five, whats the lack of mp5 hurting them if they're already doing 'the best' out of everyone else? =P
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affliction warlock is pretty easy in pvp - just stay at max range, never stand still, tab target, insta dot a lot of people, kite them, and insta fear them if they actually manage to close in on you. if they resist or are immune to fear, whip out the death coil. of course I'm assuming level 60+. and if your style is standing still spamming shadowbolts you're better off with a mage.
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No no, it's the other way around, warlocks used to be OP, before they put seduce and fear on the same timer you could literally kill an enemy without it having a chance to do anything in return, we also had negative resist working for even more OPness. But we did get a tiny buff later on, more specifically, we got deathcoil with a 2 min cd with a horror effect. Also demonologist, but we lost 50% soul link :Z
The warlocks raw power was not really the question, they are hard to play if you're clumsy like me, pet management plus 3 1/2 rows of skills. I prosper way more with a priest or a mage, or even a warrior.
No no, it's the other way around, warlocks used to be OP, before they put seduce and fear on the same timer you could literally kill an enemy without it having a chance to do anything in return, we also had negative resist working for even more OPness. But we did get a tiny buff later on, more specifically, we got deathcoil with a 2 min cd with a horror effect. Also demonologist, but we lost 50% soul link :Z
The warlocks raw power was not really the question, they are hard to play if you're clumsy like me, pet management plus 3 1/2 rows of skills. I prosper way more with a priest or a mage, or even a warrior.
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yeah, I was a lazy player too - I would never bother with micromanaging seduce and stuff. just send in my felhunter and have him devour buffs and spell lock while I go to town. I think I had at least four full bars of spells by level 70, it really was pretty overwhelming in that department =p
I got my Shaman to level 70 (Draenei) and kinda regretted it. In my opinion the coolest class, but it totally sucks at end-game.
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Yeah, they're about as underpowered as they come, and they've been like that longer than the expansion has been out.
Sigh.
I really have been gone far too long.
Wait, so we go from everyone in VE making full of the moonkin DPS to them being called "Boomkins"?!
I really have been gone far too long.
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Uh, last I heard VE disbanded.. well, partially.
and I always considered the boomkin thing to be sarcastic. Everyone knows healers aren't meant to DPS!
... I'm going to go cry in a corner now.
I'll never forget that time I was doing an Arena with a Prot Paladin, and I died in 3 seconds to 2 Moonkin and 6 trees.
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Now since when can casters stunlock...<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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Our Elemental Shaman is Top 5 on the charts 90% of the time.
Chain Heal is the best healing spell in the game right now.
What are you smoking?
Our Elemental Shaman is Top 5 on the charts 90% of the time.
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In what, Karazhan? If he's doing that well in Gruul, you have some downright terrible DPSers. Bad gear, and don't know how to play their class.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Chain Heal is the best healing spell in the game right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, it is, but it can't make up for the things other classes bring to the table.
Shield, plain and simple, is one of the most worthwhile healing abilities out there, if only because it prevents what COULD happen. The numerous Druid HoTs make up for the shield. And Paladins can heal endlessly without slowing down(well, just about).
...Shaman get a very nice AoE heal, and then otherwise 2 healing spells that are horribly mana inefficient, and has no real way to keep a tank alive without having gear that is ridiculously out-of-proportion for the fight.
In fact, the way most Shaman healers spend raids is healing til they run out of mana, then sit there til they can put down Mana Tide. Why? Because they get nothing from Spirit like other classes do, so they stack mp5 instead, but it doesn't even compensate. The mana inefficiency is a gamekiller for a healer. Elemental Shaman are nice in PvP(but still, pretty gimped compared to other caster classes), but if they are doing that well in your raids, something is wrong with your other raiders.
elemental shamen get crazy crit rates don't they? but yeah, still, I can't imagine them doing top 5 sustained DPS in a long fight.
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Yup! Thats why they do so well in PvP. And really, they can do pretty decently in raids as well, but not top-5 good: There just isn't the gear out there for them to do it, without stealing Mage/Warlock gear(still not a good idea...).
Yup! Thats why they do so well in PvP. And really, they can do pretty decently in raids as well, but not top-5 good: There just isn't the gear out there for them to do it, without stealing Mage/Warlock gear(still not a good idea...).
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Whys that not a good idea, if it puts them in the top five of the DPS list?
In what, Karazhan? If he's doing that well in Gruul, you have some downright terrible DPSers. Bad gear, and don't know how to play their class.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're learning Lurker and Hydross. VR down, Mag down. Gruul is farmed. We have 3 Kara groups.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, it is, but it can't make up for the things other classes bring to the table.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shamans have Earth Shield, Nature's Swiftness, a spell interrupt, and totems... plus the best group Heal in the game.
Holy Priests bring Fort and Spirit.
Plus, when it comes right down to it, mana regen is a non-issue. Get some good Shadow Priests.
Whys that not a good idea, if it puts them in the top five of the DPS list?
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'Cause the gear misses mp5 usually- or at least, it doesn't have the mass mp5 that Shaman gear has.
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We're learning Lurker and Hydross. VR down, Mag down. Gruul is farmed. We have 3 Kara groups.
Shamans have Earth Shield, Nature's Swiftness, a spell interrupt, and totems... plus the best group Heal in the game.
Holy Priests bring Fort and Spirit.
Plus, when it comes right down to it, mana regen is a non-issue. Get some good Shadow Priests.
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We always kept our Shadow Priests with healers only. And really...Earth Shield is nice and all, and Nature's Swiftness too, but they aren't even comparable to Shield or mass HoTing, not by a longshot.
BTW: Totally showing off my UI:
<a href="http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wowscrnshot081207212445zr8.jpg" target="_blank">http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wo...07212445zr8.jpg</a>
BTW: Totally showing off my UI:
<a href="http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wowscrnshot081207212445zr8.jpg" target="_blank">http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4690/wo...07212445zr8.jpg</a>
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Omg.....a uncluttered WoW UI? I didnt think it was possible. Every screenshot from WoW ive seen has like 3000 icons and windows on the screen.
SP
Fire Mage
Fire Mage
Boomkin
Ele Shaman
My group in raids. We top the meters.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And really...Earth Shield is nice and all, and Nature's Swiftness too, but they aren't even comparable to Shield or mass HoTing, not by a longshot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it's PW: Shield vs. totems, NS, earth shock, earth shield?
C'mon, you can't honestly think a Holy Priest is a better raid slot than a Resto Shaman.
Omg.....a uncluttered WoW UI? I didnt think it was possible. Every screenshot from WoW ive seen has like 3000 icons and windows on the screen.
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I've spent a lot of time on my UI. I can put more buttons on it, and in raids it has quite a bit more info- but NEVER cluttered. The entire aim of my UI is plenty of screenspace but every last bit of info you need right now onscreen, and any extra info seconds away or less.
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SP
Fire Mage
Fire Mage
Boomkin
Ele Shaman
My group in raids. We top the meters.
So it's PW: Shield vs. totems, NS, earth shock, earth shield?
C'mon, you can't honestly think a Holy Priest is a better raid slot than a Resto Shaman.
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I guess its just a different raid preference. Our raids always had melee on top- Always went top 2 Rogues, me(Warrior at the time), 3rd Rogue(undergeared and new), then three casters, and finally the shammy.
Then again, Windfury is arguably the best buff in the game. Too bad the nerf <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
...and yeah, I do think a Holy Priest outweighs a Resto Shammy, but thats probably just raid preference again.
Edit: Just read this in a thread:
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Omg.....a uncluttered WoW UI? I didnt think it was possible. Every screenshot from WoW ive seen has like 3000 icons and windows on the screen.
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Hellbilly, try <a href="http://www.zen36316.zen.co.uk/ui.jpg" target="_blank">mine</a> then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Hellbilly, try <a href="http://www.zen36316.zen.co.uk/ui.jpg" target="_blank">mine</a> then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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What are you, like level 1?
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They need to add a crafted gem that has spell damage and intellect, or spell damage and mana per five for Arcane Mages badly. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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Considering the grief they cause elsewhere, I really can't find the sympathy in my heart for our dear 3 minute Mages, and as mentioned above, there's others who could do with the work first.
I don't think thats much of a problem if they're making top 5. =P
Considering the grief they cause elsewhere, I really can't find the sympathy in my heart for our dear 3 minute Mages, and as mentioned above, there's others who could do with the work first.
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Deep Arcane, 4x-1x-0 specs are greater than fire specs for raiding once you get the gear to field the spec.
I don't think thats much of a problem if they're making top 5. =P
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As said before: They honestly shouldn't be. I don't mean to insult anyone, but if your Rogues are below that of any Shaman, they are doing something wrong.
And mp5 gear is important as once a Shaman runs out of mana, thats it- there are no other benefits other than offcast mana from spirit, so mp5 takes precedence.