<!--quoteo(post=1574347:date=Nov 7 2006, 10:43 AM:name=Duff-Man)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duff-Man @ Nov 7 2006, 10:43 AM) [snapback]1574347[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Take it from me, re-roll right now. Priests are getting the major league shaft in BC.
This is in addition to all the current problems Priests have with itemization, scaling, and serious lack of any DPS while Holy.
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I don't know what everyone is complaining about, priests don't seem to have that many more problems then any other race. Grass always being greener etc. The racial traits have some balance issues, considering how hilariously useless feedback is with the 3 minute timer. Who doesn't want mass dispel though? Nuke pally shields and the like. Of course I'd like it even better if it was so powerful it turned everyones items in the radius into generic greys, but whatever.
Lack of DPS as holy? You are supposed to be healing anyway?
<!--quoteo(post=1574347:date=Nov 7 2006, 03:43 PM:name=Duff-Man)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duff-Man @ Nov 7 2006, 03:43 PM) [snapback]1574347[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Take it from me, re-roll right now. Priests are getting the major league shaft in BC.
This is in addition to all the current problems Priests have with itemization, scaling, and serious lack of any DPS while Holy.
My Warlock is level 28 already. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well as far as itemisation goes, Blizzard have really been pulling their fingers out of their ###### and have been tackling a few issues. There's some very good damage / healing one-handers, there's a ton of brand new, awesome paladin plate, dmg/healing is also now considered a proper stat rather than being a select bonus on some epic items, and to top it all off, probably the nicest addition, tier 4 will have optional sets for classes with multiple roles. Tanking and DPS plate for warriors, healing and dps gear for priests, caster, healer and melee sets for shamans, etc. <a href="http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1168" target="_blank">http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1168</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1574356:date=Nov 7 2006, 04:53 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Nov 7 2006, 04:53 PM) [snapback]1574356[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Lack of DPS as holy? You are supposed to be healing anyway? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Holy damage builds are viable now, the only downside is you are pretty much dependant on smite crits. Don't judge a class from its name, priests are very good assets both healing and dps wise
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I wasn't saying priests are only healing, I was saying that holy spec is generally associated with someone who wants to heal primarily, as opposed to shadow which is more inline with DPS/PVP
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Nowhere did I say I don't want to heal. Look at my CTProfile.
But it's pretty obvious neither of you have raided with a Holy/Disc Priest and tried to farm for consumables or rep. I have a problem with the fact that every other class in the game can do this solo, and I'm left out in the cold. Paying 100g to be able to farm efficiently and still raid is pretty damn annoying.
I personally like a couple of the new spells, Mass Dispel and Prayer of Mending, namely. However the new talents are largely the same boring old Holy tree. I'm going to effectively gain 2 new talents the way I'm planning on speccing(they're nice talents, but come on). Plus they still haven't fixed Lightwell or Improved Death.
Nowhere did I say I don't want to heal. Look at my CTProfile.
But it's pretty obvious neither of you have raided with a Holy/Disc Priest and tried to farm for consumables or rep. I have a problem with the fact that every other class in the game can do this solo, and I'm left out in the cold. Paying 100g to be able to farm efficiently and still raid is pretty damn annoying.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I tried both shadow and disc/holy builds (I was raiding shadow until account frozen [waiting TBC]). If you've got some +damage (and lots of spirit) you can farm pretty well, but you burn mana like crazy, so you need to be a bit more conservative, but otherwise I did fine enough... Pity that swp loses like 600 damage between shadow raid build and disc/holy...
By my understanding of priest soloing, or how effectively I've done it at a low level, is that you should focus on wand damage vs actually using spells. You could load up on cheap +shadow damage armor and use a shadow damage wand, that way you get pretty good wand DPS which doesn't take any mana. Then just use low amounts of mana to heal yourself occasionally and do all damage with wand.
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Wand damage isn't effected by +damage items... I need to say though that in my disc build I had wand specialization which helped a lot.
Christ, ###### you, EU servers. The Venture Co has gotten the shaft every single maintenance in the last few weeks. Last week and the week before it was down for 2 days for maintenance, today it's down for extended maintenance as well. Just to make matters worse, my alt's server is offline too!
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Err, I think you guys are still missing my point. I'm not a lowbie Priest trying to grind to 60.
I'm trying to farm CC Rep and mats for enchants.
I had no problem grinding/farming to 60, because I was Shadow. I don't have that luxury anymore
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esuna - Perhaps you should have joined us on Bladefist and then Outland in the first place, hmm? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Duff - Prot tanks and Resto druids don't exactly grind brilliantly either. You can't spec' for healing and expect brilliant damage.
Get a DPS alt, thats what most do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1574680:date=Nov 8 2006, 05:18 AM:name=Skydancer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Skydancer @ Nov 8 2006, 05:18 AM) [snapback]1574680[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Wand damage isn't effected by +damage items... I need to say though that in my disc build I had wand specialization which helped a lot. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah it does? Wands count as spell damage, so all item abilities like "Increases damage and healing done by spells and abilities by 5" will add 5 damage to wand. I'll supply a screenshot if I can get onto my account (Stupid blizzard and not being able to bring up servers in time).
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Get a DPS alt, thats what most do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I see, I should have to re-roll to be able to kill anything my level. It all makes sense now.
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Well Duff, what's the alternative?
Allow you to do the 'decent damage', in which case, what would be the point in anything else? "Oh look, there's a Rogue, I do the same damage and can heal, lol?"
It's bad enough that Undead Shadow Priests <i>*are*</i> pretty much like that, without the dedicated Healers doing the same.
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Allow you to do the 'decent damage', in which case, what would be the point in anything else? "Oh look, there's a Rogue, I do the same damage and can heal, lol?"
It's bad enough that Undead Shadow Priests <i>*are*</i> pretty much like that, without the dedicated Healers doing the same. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I want to be a Rogue with heals.
Or maybe I would just like to be able to solo content my level without massive downtime? When's the last time you saw a 60 Rogue struggle to kill a 55 Elite... and then sit down and med for 15 seconds afterwards?
Its probably more of a gear issue rather then talent spec. And 55 elites aren't content of your level either.
Go find a normal, non-elite 60 and tell me how you do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Yeah it does? Wands count as spell damage, so all item abilities like "Increases damage and healing done by spells and abilities by 5" will add 5 damage to wand. I'll supply a screenshot if I can get onto my account (Stupid blizzard and not being able to bring up servers in time). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No it doesn't. Look in the forums and then tell me how my wand hits are around 125-150 damage when I have +300 damage on gear <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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Go find a normal, non-elite 60 and tell me how you do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ugh. Does anyone read?
<i>I can kill non-elite mobs my level no problem. It's the downtime that is a problem. There is no other class/spec in the game that has pathetic damage like a Holy Priest in addition to huge periods of downtime in between. I am gimped to the point of non-functionality for solo play because I enjoy raiding and spec for it.</i>
As far as it not being a spec issue, you're dead wrong. A Druid can go 31 points into Resto and still have 20 points for Feral, without losing much efficiency in healing. Our Arms and Fury Warriors who have 0 points in Prot have no problem slapping on a shield and picking up mobs as off-tanks. Assume that I'm going 30 into Holy for healing. Now I've got a choices. I can dump the other 21 into Shadow up to Mindflay to presumably up my DPS. Or I can put those points into Discipline.
Shadow nets me a couple things useful for farming; Spirit Tap(which is indeed awesome for farming), a snare spell that scales pathetically with damage gear, 2 extra ticks on SW:P. That's really it for PvE with 21 points in Shadow.
On the other hand, here's what I lose from not putting 21 points into Disc; 15% Mana regen while casting, Divine Spirit, Imp. Fortitude, 15% stun/fear/silence resist, 16% threat reduction(these points will be freed up in BC with Horde Pallies), 10% mana reduction on instant casts. In other words, you're an idiot Priest if you don't have most of those talents.
This is getting awfully long, but from the responses to me so far, it looks like you guys are just like the rest of WoW players in regards to healers: "SUYF, buff me, keep me alive, don't touch my damage gear, and don't complain."
<i>I can kill non-elite mobs my level no problem. It's the downtime that is a problem. There is no other class/spec in the game that has pathetic damage like a Holy Priest in addition to huge periods of downtime in between. I am gimped to the point of non-functionality for solo play because I enjoy raiding and spec for it.</i>
As far as it not being a spec issue, you're dead wrong. A Druid can go 31 points into Resto and still have 20 points for Feral, without losing much efficiency in healing. Our Arms and Fury Warriors who have 0 points in Prot have no problem slapping on a shield and picking up mobs as off-tanks. Assume that I'm going 30 into Holy for healing. Now I've got a choices. I can dump the other 21 into Shadow up to Mindflay to presumably up my DPS. Or I can put those points into Discipline.
Shadow nets me a couple things useful for farming; Spirit Tap(which is indeed awesome for farming), a snare spell that scales pathetically with damage gear, 2 extra ticks on SW:P. That's really it for PvE with 21 points in Shadow.
On the other hand, here's what I lose from not putting 21 points into Disc; 15% Mana regen while casting, Divine Spirit, Imp. Fortitude, 15% stun/fear/silence resist, 16% threat reduction(these points will be freed up in BC with Horde Pallies), 10% mana reduction on instant casts. In other words, you're an idiot Priest if you don't have most of those talents.
This is getting awfully long, but from the responses to me so far, it looks like you guys are just like the rest of WoW players in regards to healers: "SUYF, buff me, keep me alive, don't touch my damage gear, and don't complain." <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you said you were complaining about downtime earlier, I would have answered you with a 'Signed.', but you kept it too vague and we couldn't get the point <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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edited November 2006
Being a warlock (..at level 60). I have found myself situationally overpowered in pvp at occasions (okay okay, alot of occasions!), however if you nerf fear/seduce in response to that, the result will just be that the warlock will be more frustrating to play than it already is.
ran the pvp circuit to rank 11, then started pve'ing.
sad that I replaced my last piece of tier 2 before my last piece of tier 1 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
our guild leader is semi-famous... I hear he has a card in the trading card game =p
<!--QuoteBegin-http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/wow/en/news/article.aspx?aid=1019+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/wow/en/news/article.aspx?aid=1019)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->World of Warcraft is a game of heroes. The rich history of Azeroth is full of them, from Malfurion and Tyrande to Magni and Thrall. But these icons of the game are not the only names that resonate with the six million WoW MMO players around the world. As the game has grown, players have made names for themselves in various ways and their characters have been woven, for good or ill, into the tapestry of WoW forever. Some of these heroes are known only to the truly fanatical: Indalamar, who forever changed the warrior class with a video he released in late Beta. <b>George, who showed the world the true power of Thunderfury</b>. Or Mute, who created the much talked-about “World of Roguecraft” video series.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
edit: to chime in on the priest debate, my gf is a priest and is quite happy with it. they're definitely improving 'hybrid' class itemization with the expansion, what with priests getting to choose a dps or healing set, and druids a feral/balance/healing set, etc.
I keep trying to get my gf to take tier 2.5 which would help with leveling in the expansion since it's a dps set, but she's choosing to hoard her dkp instead <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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<!--quoteo(post=1579092:date=Nov 20 2006, 10:51 AM:name=Epidemic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Epidemic @ Nov 20 2006, 10:51 AM) [snapback]1579092[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Has leroy switched guild by any chance? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nope, still Pals.
Oi, lucky *******. Though I figure my Guild Leader will go down in Warcraft History as the best raid leader ever. God he's good. When a raid with broken morale can down Nef with no deaths after 18 whipes(thanks to another guy trying to lead), you know somethin's up.
I finally went dual wield, 2 and a half weeks ago. I'm a few items away from being so-ideally geared that I'd be nigh-unstoppable in DPS(well...other than this guy, Rasha, that we have. He's just a freak...damn foreigners. He's commonly 10% of raid DPS in MC, and 13% in BWL. At the end of an MC, he'll be 2 to 300k above the second place person- in a guild that many of the higher on the server say have "some of the best DPSers they've ever seen"- and were a competitive bunch.
...I gotta figure out his secrets.
I just need an Onslaught Girdle(elusive!), Chromatic Boots(oh, drop 4 times in a row and never again, will you?), Drake Talon Pauldrons(stop taking them you effing tanks!) and Bracers of Brutality. Those will all set my AP at 1200ap unbuffed. I'm already 3rd in total DPS, but I'm also one of the worst geared tanks, but luckily we have no one left who wants the Onslaught Girdle, so I'm amassing Might and the Onslaught gets defaulted).
Bweh. It doesn't matter though. Come BC my guild(out of the quad-alliance) is going to decimate the other guilds in progress, easily. Having "the" raid leader, the two MTs, 2 of the top DPS warriors, the top 3 rogues, top healers of every class but Shaman(and priest, but she'll be defecting soon...), with a penchant for doing nothing less than perfection, we'll be so up there...its not even an issue anymore. Just need some Warlocks, maybe another Priest...oh, its beautiful.
I don't know much about warrior DPS, but our guild leader is a DPS warrior and he's usually like 2nd on damage, vs rogues in 7 piece tier 3 and mages doing rolling ignites... he's a fury warrior I think.
in my previous guild I used to often be #1 in damage by a large margin, but when I came here I'm lucky to come in top 15 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> stupid overpowered tier 3 bastages. of course here I'm stuck on curse of elements duty and am not allowed to cast immolate because it's a waste of a debuff slot...
edit: I should say I'm impressed with our guild leader's leadership too. We've had crappy attendance lately and any other guild would have fallen apart without someone charismatic holding it together. He loses points for being a dps warrior in a guild that really needs quality tanks though =p
Oh man I finally got my gnomish deathray last night after mining and engineering for a week. It's so cool, used it in a duel and critted the person for 4k damage (Note: Im a level 43 priest). Oh man it was awesome.
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Take it from me, re-roll right now. Priests are getting the major league shaft in BC.
This is in addition to all the current problems Priests have with itemization, scaling, and serious lack of any DPS while Holy.
My Warlock is level 28 already. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />
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I don't know what everyone is complaining about, priests don't seem to have that many more problems then any other race. Grass always being greener etc. The racial traits have some balance issues, considering how hilariously useless feedback is with the 3 minute timer. Who doesn't want mass dispel though? Nuke pally shields and the like. Of course I'd like it even better if it was so powerful it turned everyones items in the radius into generic greys, but whatever.
Lack of DPS as holy? You are supposed to be healing anyway?
Take it from me, re-roll right now. Priests are getting the major league shaft in BC.
This is in addition to all the current problems Priests have with itemization, scaling, and serious lack of any DPS while Holy.
My Warlock is level 28 already. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />
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Well as far as itemisation goes, Blizzard have really been pulling their fingers out of their ###### and have been tackling a few issues. There's some very good damage / healing one-handers, there's a ton of brand new, awesome paladin plate, dmg/healing is also now considered a proper stat rather than being a select bonus on some epic items, and to top it all off, probably the nicest addition, tier 4 will have optional sets for classes with multiple roles. Tanking and DPS plate for warriors, healing and dps gear for priests, caster, healer and melee sets for shamans, etc. <a href="http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1168" target="_blank">http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1168</a>
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Holy damage builds are viable now, the only downside is you are pretty much dependant on smite crits. Don't judge a class from its name, priests are very good assets both healing and dps wise
Holy damage builds are viable now, the only downside is you are pretty much dependant on smite crits. Don't judge a class from its name, priests are very good assets both healing and dps wise
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I wasn't saying priests are only healing, I was saying that holy spec is generally associated with someone who wants to heal primarily, as opposed to shadow which is more inline with DPS/PVP
I wasn't saying priests are only healing, I was saying that holy spec is generally associated with someone who wants to heal primarily, as opposed to shadow which is more inline with DPS/PVP
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Nowhere did I say I don't want to heal. Look at my CTProfile.
But it's pretty obvious neither of you have raided with a Holy/Disc Priest and tried to farm for consumables or rep. I have a problem with the fact that every other class in the game can do this solo, and I'm left out in the cold. Paying 100g to be able to farm efficiently and still raid is pretty damn annoying.
I personally like a couple of the new spells, Mass Dispel and Prayer of Mending, namely. However the new talents are largely the same boring old Holy tree. I'm going to effectively gain 2 new talents the way I'm planning on speccing(they're nice talents, but come on). Plus they still haven't fixed Lightwell or Improved Death.
Nowhere did I say I don't want to heal. Look at my CTProfile.
But it's pretty obvious neither of you have raided with a Holy/Disc Priest and tried to farm for consumables or rep. I have a problem with the fact that every other class in the game can do this solo, and I'm left out in the cold. Paying 100g to be able to farm efficiently and still raid is pretty damn annoying.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I tried both shadow and disc/holy builds (I was raiding shadow until account frozen [waiting TBC]). If you've got some +damage (and lots of spirit) you can farm pretty well, but you burn mana like crazy, so you need to be a bit more conservative, but otherwise I did fine enough... Pity that swp loses like 600 damage between shadow raid build and disc/holy...
My point is that there is no other spec in the game that is fundamentally gimped like that for solo play.
Wand damage isn't effected by +damage items... I need to say though that in my disc build I had wand specialization which helped a lot.
By my understanding of priest soloing, or how effectively I've done it at a low level, is that you should focus on wand damage vs actually using spells. You could load up on cheap +shadow damage armor and use a shadow damage wand, that way you get pretty good wand DPS which doesn't take any mana. Then just use low amounts of mana to heal yourself occasionally and do all damage with wand.
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Err, I think you guys are still missing my point. I'm not a lowbie Priest trying to grind to 60.
I'm trying to farm CC Rep and mats for enchants.
I had no problem grinding/farming to 60, because I was Shadow. I don't have that luxury anymore
Get a DPS alt, thats what most do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Wand damage isn't effected by +damage items... I need to say though that in my disc build I had wand specialization which helped a lot.
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Yeah it does? Wands count as spell damage, so all item abilities like "Increases damage and healing done by spells and abilities by 5" will add 5 damage to wand. I'll supply a screenshot if I can get onto my account (Stupid blizzard and not being able to bring up servers in time).
Duff - Prot tanks and Resto druids don't exactly grind brilliantly either. You can't spec' for healing and expect brilliant damage.
Get a DPS alt, thats what most do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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I see, I should have to re-roll to be able to kill anything my level. It all makes sense now.
Allow you to do the 'decent damage', in which case, what would be the point in anything else?
"Oh look, there's a Rogue, I do the same damage and can heal, lol?"
It's bad enough that Undead Shadow Priests <i>*are*</i> pretty much like that, without the dedicated Healers doing the same.
Well Duff, what's the alternative?
Allow you to do the 'decent damage', in which case, what would be the point in anything else?
"Oh look, there's a Rogue, I do the same damage and can heal, lol?"
It's bad enough that Undead Shadow Priests <i>*are*</i> pretty much like that, without the dedicated Healers doing the same.
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Yes, I want to be a Rogue with heals.
Or maybe I would just like to be able to solo content my level without massive downtime? When's the last time you saw a 60 Rogue struggle to kill a 55 Elite... and then sit down and med for 15 seconds afterwards?
Go find a normal, non-elite 60 and tell me how you do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Yeah it does? Wands count as spell damage, so all item abilities like "Increases damage and healing done by spells and abilities by 5" will add 5 damage to wand. I'll supply a screenshot if I can get onto my account (Stupid blizzard and not being able to bring up servers in time). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No it doesn't. Look in the forums and then tell me how my wand hits are around 125-150 damage when I have +300 damage on gear <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Its probably more of a gear issue rather then talent spec. And 55 elites aren't content of your level either.
Go find a normal, non-elite 60 and tell me how you do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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Ugh. Does anyone read?
<i>I can kill non-elite mobs my level no problem. It's the downtime that is a problem. There is no other class/spec in the game that has pathetic damage like a Holy Priest in addition to huge periods of downtime in between. I am gimped to the point of non-functionality for solo play because I enjoy raiding and spec for it.</i>
As far as it not being a spec issue, you're dead wrong. A Druid can go 31 points into Resto and still have 20 points for Feral, without losing much efficiency in healing. Our Arms and Fury Warriors who have 0 points in Prot have no problem slapping on a shield and picking up mobs as off-tanks. Assume that I'm going 30 into Holy for healing. Now I've got a choices. I can dump the other 21 into Shadow up to Mindflay to presumably up my DPS. Or I can put those points into Discipline.
Shadow nets me a couple things useful for farming; Spirit Tap(which is indeed awesome for farming), a snare spell that scales pathetically with damage gear, 2 extra ticks on SW:P. That's really it for PvE with 21 points in Shadow.
On the other hand, here's what I lose from not putting 21 points into Disc; 15% Mana regen while casting, Divine Spirit, Imp. Fortitude, 15% stun/fear/silence resist, 16% threat reduction(these points will be freed up in BC with Horde Pallies), 10% mana reduction on instant casts. In other words, you're an idiot Priest if you don't have most of those talents.
This is getting awfully long, but from the responses to me so far, it looks like you guys are just like the rest of WoW players in regards to healers: "SUYF, buff me, keep me alive, don't touch my damage gear, and don't complain."
Ugh. Does anyone read?
<i>I can kill non-elite mobs my level no problem. It's the downtime that is a problem. There is no other class/spec in the game that has pathetic damage like a Holy Priest in addition to huge periods of downtime in between. I am gimped to the point of non-functionality for solo play because I enjoy raiding and spec for it.</i>
As far as it not being a spec issue, you're dead wrong. A Druid can go 31 points into Resto and still have 20 points for Feral, without losing much efficiency in healing. Our Arms and Fury Warriors who have 0 points in Prot have no problem slapping on a shield and picking up mobs as off-tanks. Assume that I'm going 30 into Holy for healing. Now I've got a choices. I can dump the other 21 into Shadow up to Mindflay to presumably up my DPS. Or I can put those points into Discipline.
Shadow nets me a couple things useful for farming; Spirit Tap(which is indeed awesome for farming), a snare spell that scales pathetically with damage gear, 2 extra ticks on SW:P. That's really it for PvE with 21 points in Shadow.
On the other hand, here's what I lose from not putting 21 points into Disc; 15% Mana regen while casting, Divine Spirit, Imp. Fortitude, 15% stun/fear/silence resist, 16% threat reduction(these points will be freed up in BC with Horde Pallies), 10% mana reduction on instant casts. In other words, you're an idiot Priest if you don't have most of those talents.
This is getting awfully long, but from the responses to me so far, it looks like you guys are just like the rest of WoW players in regards to healers: "SUYF, buff me, keep me alive, don't touch my damage gear, and don't complain." <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you said you were complaining about downtime earlier, I would have answered you with a 'Signed.', but you kept it too vague and we couldn't get the point <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<a href="http://ctprofiles.net/4502810" target="_blank">http://ctprofiles.net/4502810</a>
ran the pvp circuit to rank 11, then started pve'ing.
sad that I replaced my last piece of tier 2 before my last piece of tier 1 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
our guild leader is semi-famous... I hear he has a card in the trading card game =p
<!--QuoteBegin-http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/wow/en/news/article.aspx?aid=1019+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/wow/en/news/article.aspx?aid=1019)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->World of Warcraft is a game of heroes. The rich history of Azeroth is full of them, from Malfurion and Tyrande to Magni and Thrall. But these icons of the game are not the only names that resonate with the six million WoW MMO players around the world. As the game has grown, players have made names for themselves in various ways and their characters have been woven, for good or ill, into the tapestry of WoW forever. Some of these heroes are known only to the truly fanatical: Indalamar, who forever changed the warrior class with a video he released in late Beta. <b>George, who showed the world the true power of Thunderfury</b>. Or Mute, who created the much talked-about “World of Roguecraft” video series.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
edit: to chime in on the priest debate, my gf is a priest and is quite happy with it. they're definitely improving 'hybrid' class itemization with the expansion, what with priests getting to choose a dps or healing set, and druids a feral/balance/healing set, etc.
I keep trying to get my gf to take tier 2.5 which would help with leveling in the expansion since it's a dps set, but she's choosing to hoard her dkp instead <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Has leroy switched guild by any chance?
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Nope, still Pals.
Oi, lucky *******. Though I figure my Guild Leader will go down in Warcraft History as the best raid leader ever. God he's good. When a raid with broken morale can down Nef with no deaths after 18 whipes(thanks to another guy trying to lead), you know somethin's up.
I finally went dual wield, 2 and a half weeks ago. I'm a few items away from being so-ideally geared that I'd be nigh-unstoppable in DPS(well...other than this guy, Rasha, that we have. He's just a freak...damn foreigners. He's commonly 10% of raid DPS in MC, and 13% in BWL. At the end of an MC, he'll be 2 to 300k above the second place person- in a guild that many of the higher on the server say have "some of the best DPSers they've ever seen"- and were a competitive bunch.
...I gotta figure out his secrets.
I just need an Onslaught Girdle(elusive!), Chromatic Boots(oh, drop 4 times in a row and never again, will you?), Drake Talon Pauldrons(stop taking them you effing tanks!) and Bracers of Brutality. Those will all set my AP at 1200ap unbuffed. I'm already 3rd in total DPS, but I'm also one of the worst geared tanks, but luckily we have no one left who wants the Onslaught Girdle, so I'm amassing Might and the Onslaught gets defaulted).
Bweh. It doesn't matter though. Come BC my guild(out of the quad-alliance) is going to decimate the other guilds in progress, easily. Having "the" raid leader, the two MTs, 2 of the top DPS warriors, the top 3 rogues, top healers of every class but Shaman(and priest, but she'll be defecting soon...), with a penchant for doing nothing less than perfection, we'll be so up there...its not even an issue anymore. Just need some Warlocks, maybe another Priest...oh, its beautiful.
in my previous guild I used to often be #1 in damage by a large margin, but when I came here I'm lucky to come in top 15 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> stupid overpowered tier 3 bastages. of course here I'm stuck on curse of elements duty and am not allowed to cast immolate because it's a waste of a debuff slot...
edit: I should say I'm impressed with our guild leader's leadership too. We've had crappy attendance lately and any other guild would have fallen apart without someone charismatic holding it together. He loses points for being a dps warrior in a guild that really needs quality tanks though =p
My friend got a Legendary card in a booster pack.
He put the code into the game and he got some red suit for his Tauren. I have no idea what's it called because I don't play WoW.
she got this: <a href="http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53986" target="_blank">http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53986</a>
probably what your friend got too