Game one, I didn't really have a clue what was going on. Game two, I died right away, so I was a lot less involved. From those two games, I learned (from you, I believe) that being very active is important for the humans to win.
I'm not worried about your vote. There's still a lot of people that haven't said anything yet "today", so a lot can change.
<!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Apr 7 2005, 03:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Apr 7 2005, 03:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Game one, I didn't really have a clue what was going on. Game two, I died right away, so I was a lot less involved. From those two games, I learned (from you, I believe) that being very active is important for the humans to win.
I'm not worried about your vote. There's still a lot of people that haven't said anything yet "today", so a lot can change. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I'm getting very tempted to vote for them for being inactive bastards <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
I know this is going to sound pretty lame after the birthday thing early on, but as some of you know, I work on an as-needed basis. And work's started calling, as we're gearing up to auction off the material assets of a medium-sized recording studio. Yesterday (Tuesday) I worked a nine and a half hour shift, getting home in time to crash. Today, I worked a 12 hour shift... the only reason I actually checked in is because I have to wait for 2:30am to keep to my normal sleeping schedule, as I'm not keeling over, as last night.
If anyone needs proof, Nem, feel free to pull my forum access logs. Unfortunately, I may continue being low-activity for a little while.. until all the gear is inventoried, tested, lotted, staged, and added to the auction bill, I'm going to be working my posterior off. I'll do my best to swing by and at least check in, though.
The only part I can see from reviewing SaltzBad's forum logs is the one about voting for wonedslackystyle 'with good reason'. Again, it could be a smokescreen or a confusion attempt. But placing assumptions... what if woned WAS a wolf? That 'with good reason' could have been taken any number of ways. It may be the sleep-dep, but if I was a wolf, it'd sound like he'd been contacted by, or was the Seer... but let it slip, as part of his 'newbie' status. I haven't seen too much going on in IRC, so I can't read anything from any exchanges there.
At this point, I have to continue to go on gut instinct though... initially I was going to vote for Snidely, but his reasoning was good, lacking explantion. And so I'll have to cast my vote for <b>im_lost</b>. Nothing personal, and I can't put my finger on it.. but something has felt 'off' in his posts.
I was considering sending out a 'living will' of my arguments and suppositions about other players randomly each night... until I realized that if I handed it to a Wolf, it would allow them to alter those foibles that had been suspicious. If the Seer would scan and contact me, I at least would like to keep my observations safe.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Apr 7 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Apr 7 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I know this is going to sound pretty lame after the birthday thing early on, but as some of you know, I work on an as-needed basis. And work's started calling, as we're gearing up to auction off the material assets of a medium-sized recording studio. Yesterday (Tuesday) I worked a nine and a half hour shift, getting home in time to crash. Today, I worked a 12 hour shift... the only reason I actually checked in is because I have to wait for 2:30am to keep to my normal sleeping schedule, as I'm not keeling over, as last night.
If anyone needs proof, Nem, feel free to pull my forum access logs. Unfortunately, I may continue being low-activity for a little while.. until all the gear is inventoried, tested, lotted, staged, and added to the auction bill, I'm going to be working my posterior off. I'll do my best to swing by and at least check in, though.
The only part I can see from reviewing SaltzBad's forum logs is the one about voting for wonedslackystyle 'with good reason'. Again, it could be a smokescreen or a confusion attempt. But placing assumptions... what if woned WAS a wolf? That 'with good reason' could have been taken any number of ways. It may be the sleep-dep, but if I was a wolf, it'd sound like he'd been contacted by, or was the Seer... but let it slip, as part of his 'newbie' status. I haven't seen too much going on in IRC, so I can't read anything from any exchanges there.
At this point, I have to continue to go on gut instinct though... initially I was going to vote for Snidely, but his reasoning was good, lacking explantion. And so I'll have to cast my vote for <b>im_lost</b>. Nothing personal, and I can't put my finger on it.. but something has felt 'off' in his posts.
I was considering sending out a 'living will' of my arguments and suppositions about other players randomly each night... until I realized that if I handed it to a Wolf, it would allow them to alter those foibles that had been suspicious. If the Seer would scan and contact me, I at least would like to keep my observations safe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I did that a couple games. What I did was sent my will to someone I trusted, and then just to make sure anonomously pmed 3 other people to inform them that he was in possesion of it. In that way even if I got my logs to a wolf, at least ONE human would always know that someone had them, and would be potentially able to use that information.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Crap. Following the no-edit rule, I realized as I hit the 'add reply' button that there's no way to actually confirm. I will send my journal to two people tonight, as a safety... my post above will likely draw attention, and may get me wolfed.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
The problem is that I'm looking for wolves, so I'm writing down ANYTHING suspicious. I'm paranoid, as the roles are random, so anyone could be a wolf, whether I trust them or not. Everyone has one or two little bits, and a few have three or four. But nothing concrete.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Apr 7 2005, 04:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Apr 7 2005, 04:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem is that I'm looking for wolves, so I'm writing down ANYTHING suspicious. I'm paranoid, as the roles are random, so anyone could be a wolf, whether I trust them or not. Everyone has one or two little bits, and a few have three or four. But nothing concrete. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I feel the same way...
This game is really quite convoluted for the humans before the seer starts the ball rolling.
Also, a quick reminder: Remember to have room for new messages in your inbox at all times. I screwed up with the channel password and had to change it, and couldn't send it to one of you because his inbox was full. Everyone, check your messages and delete old ones as necessary please.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Apr 7 2005, 05:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Apr 7 2005, 05:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->More than twelve hours and no new votes? Oh well.
Current votes:
See my previous post.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, Talesin voted for me, so the vote count did need updating (not by much though).
I find the ammount of inactivity this game quite frustrating. Please people, get it in gear here. We all have lives to deal with, but you commited to something and it's rude to back out so late after the fact. We have already had to replace people midway through the game, which is unprecidented for a TWG, we really can't afford to spontaniously lose more players. This TWG would be seriously threatend of being forced to end prematurely.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 7 2005, 10:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 7 2005, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find the ammount of inactivity this game quite frustrating. Please people, get it in gear here. We all have lives to deal with, but you commited to something and it's rude to back out so late after the fact. We have already had to replace people midway through the game, which is unprecidented for a TWG, we really can't afford to spontaniously lose more players. This TWG would be seriously threatend of being forced to end prematurely. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 11:00 A.M. isn't necessarily the best time for everyone. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But on a more serious note, I'd just like to say to Hellfire that the best person to ask about lists and such would be im lost. Make sure to check out the IRC channel.
<!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Apr 6 2005, 08:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Apr 6 2005, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After all of the talk about how the wolves went after an experienced person the first night, it's almost certain the guardian would protect an experienced player, so avoiding experienced players guarantees a kill. SaltzBad was somewhat active, and wasn't very experienced, so he is a decent target to kill. Chances are the wolves didn't have any more information than the rest of us about who the seer is, so I doubt that it had any basis in their decision. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can see where you are coming from, but I doubt it. Freak and Woned were the obvious experienced players. Even if the guardian protected someone, there are quite a number of the 'very active' players in this game, who are constantly coming up with ideas, both good and bad. Chances are that the guardian decided to protect one of those players, but what are the chances of the right one being wolfed? Until we get some more evidence, I’ll stick to my theory that the wolves made a mistake (relatively. Obviously wolfing saltz was still a positive thing for the wolves, but I reckon that there were better targets to go for.
<!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Apr 7 2005, 04:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Apr 7 2005, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, Talesin voted for me, so the vote count did need updating (not by much though).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And so he did. Slipped past me in the rather long post.
Current votes:
Some tall guy - 0.1 Talesin - 1 (Snidely) im lost - 2 (Swiftspear, Talesin)
And yeah, let's see some activity here. 11 o'clock a.m. isn't the best time for everyone? That's the time the night ENDED. In other words, all north americans had an entire afternoon and evening to respond. If anybody can use the excuse of it not being a good time, it's us europeans, for whom the phases change in the evening. If we, for some reason, cannot attend at that time, and then cannot attend during the first part of the following day because we are, say, working, we can easily clock twelve or more hours of absence. But many people here choose to ignore the thread for twelve waking hours, many of which are the typical hours off work. I'm not blaming the people that actually bother to show up and write long, detailed posts explaining their relative inactivity, I blame those that don't show up at all.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Apr 7 2005, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Apr 7 2005, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not so sure that the wolves will give us a clear pattern to follow. They certainly didn't last time.
But if we assume they will, who would we count as experienced? Freak, Wonedslacky, Swiftspear...who else? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You've played before as well right? I think most everyone here except for myself and a few others have played at least 2 games counting this one. As for the wolves giving a clear pattern to follow, They were dumb about killing off experienced players, but if they're not doing it anymore then it's not really something we can use. If they had continued that trend, it might have been possible to see through their actions. Killing Saltzbad must have been a decision based on priority, like I noted before.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Apr 7 2005, 02:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Apr 7 2005, 02:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You've played before as well right? I think most everyone here except for myself and a few others have played at least 2 games counting this one. As for the wolves giving a clear pattern to follow, They were dumb about killing off experienced players, but if they're not doing it anymore then it's not really something we can use. If they had continued that trend, it might have been possible to see through their actions. Killing Saltzbad must have been a decision based on priority, like I noted before. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've only played once before. This is my second game...
Life is pretty harsh on my free time right now, which is why I'll keep this short. I have discussed a few valid theories lately, but none convinced me so far that I'd be willing to bank on them so far as to possibly lynch a good player. Specifically, I do not at all believe that im lost is a wolf. His inquisitiviness might be a good high risk deception, but I have just not seen any real aggressiviness behind it yet. I'll therefore postpone serious votes for another day and instead do another wake-up call: <b>Some tall guy</b> Subject to change, obviously.
I really wish there were more activity in the irc channel. I just got connected, and now it appears no one wants to say anything... <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Apr 7 2005, 04:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Apr 7 2005, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm going to keep my vote on <b>Some Tall Guy</b> for now, but it will almost definitely change, unlike last time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ran out of time, last time?
I think im gonna have to vote for im lost to save my own butt <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I'm not worried about your vote. There's still a lot of people that haven't said anything yet "today", so a lot can change.
I'm not worried about your vote. There's still a lot of people that haven't said anything yet "today", so a lot can change. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I'm getting very tempted to vote for them for being inactive bastards <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Today, I worked a 12 hour shift... the only reason I actually checked in is because I have to wait for 2:30am to keep to my normal sleeping schedule, as I'm not keeling over, as last night.
If anyone needs proof, Nem, feel free to pull my forum access logs. Unfortunately, I may continue being low-activity for a little while.. until all the gear is inventoried, tested, lotted, staged, and added to the auction bill, I'm going to be working my posterior off. I'll do my best to swing by and at least check in, though.
The only part I can see from reviewing SaltzBad's forum logs is the one about voting for wonedslackystyle 'with good reason'. Again, it could be a smokescreen or a confusion attempt. But placing assumptions... what if woned WAS a wolf? That 'with good reason' could have been taken any number of ways. It may be the sleep-dep, but if I was a wolf, it'd sound like he'd been contacted by, or was the Seer... but let it slip, as part of his 'newbie' status.
I haven't seen too much going on in IRC, so I can't read anything from any exchanges there.
At this point, I have to continue to go on gut instinct though... initially I was going to vote for Snidely, but his reasoning was good, lacking explantion. And so I'll have to cast my vote for <b>im_lost</b>. Nothing personal, and I can't put my finger on it.. but something has felt 'off' in his posts.
I was considering sending out a 'living will' of my arguments and suppositions about other players randomly each night... until I realized that if I handed it to a Wolf, it would allow them to alter those foibles that had been suspicious. If the Seer would scan and contact me, I at least would like to keep my observations safe.
Can someone compile a list of the alive and active people? As that was a major thing happened last game.
Oh try typing theses commands in the chat box to connect to the irc channel, using "/server irc.gamesurge.net" then "/join #ns-twg PaSSwORD"
Today, I worked a 12 hour shift... the only reason I actually checked in is because I have to wait for 2:30am to keep to my normal sleeping schedule, as I'm not keeling over, as last night.
If anyone needs proof, Nem, feel free to pull my forum access logs. Unfortunately, I may continue being low-activity for a little while.. until all the gear is inventoried, tested, lotted, staged, and added to the auction bill, I'm going to be working my posterior off. I'll do my best to swing by and at least check in, though.
The only part I can see from reviewing SaltzBad's forum logs is the one about voting for wonedslackystyle 'with good reason'. Again, it could be a smokescreen or a confusion attempt. But placing assumptions... what if woned WAS a wolf? That 'with good reason' could have been taken any number of ways. It may be the sleep-dep, but if I was a wolf, it'd sound like he'd been contacted by, or was the Seer... but let it slip, as part of his 'newbie' status.
I haven't seen too much going on in IRC, so I can't read anything from any exchanges there.
At this point, I have to continue to go on gut instinct though... initially I was going to vote for Snidely, but his reasoning was good, lacking explantion. And so I'll have to cast my vote for <b>im_lost</b>. Nothing personal, and I can't put my finger on it.. but something has felt 'off' in his posts.
I was considering sending out a 'living will' of my arguments and suppositions about other players randomly each night... until I realized that if I handed it to a Wolf, it would allow them to alter those foibles that had been suspicious. If the Seer would scan and contact me, I at least would like to keep my observations safe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did that a couple games. What I did was sent my will to someone I trusted, and then just to make sure anonomously pmed 3 other people to inform them that he was in possesion of it. In that way even if I got my logs to a wolf, at least ONE human would always know that someone had them, and would be potentially able to use that information.
I feel the same way...
This game is really quite convoluted for the humans before the seer starts the ball rolling.
Current votes:
See my previous post.
Current votes:
See my previous post.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, Talesin voted for me, so the vote count did need updating (not by much though).
11:00 A.M. isn't necessarily the best time for everyone. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But on a more serious note, I'd just like to say to Hellfire that the best person to ask about lists and such would be im lost. Make sure to check out the IRC channel.
I can see where you are coming from, but I doubt it. Freak and Woned were the obvious experienced players. Even if the guardian protected someone, there are quite a number of the 'very active' players in this game, who are constantly coming up with ideas, both good and bad. Chances are that the guardian decided to protect one of those players, but what are the chances of the right one being wolfed? Until we get some more evidence, I’ll stick to my theory that the wolves made a mistake (relatively. Obviously wolfing saltz was still a positive thing for the wolves, but I reckon that there were better targets to go for.
But if we assume they will, who would we count as experienced? Freak, Wonedslacky, Swiftspear...who else?
And so he did. Slipped past me in the rather long post.
Current votes:
Some tall guy - 0.1
Talesin - 1 (Snidely)
im lost - 2 (Swiftspear, Talesin)
And yeah, let's see some activity here. 11 o'clock a.m. isn't the best time for everyone? That's the time the night ENDED. In other words, all north americans had an entire afternoon and evening to respond. If anybody can use the excuse of it not being a good time, it's us europeans, for whom the phases change in the evening. If we, for some reason, cannot attend at that time, and then cannot attend during the first part of the following day because we are, say, working, we can easily clock twelve or more hours of absence. But many people here choose to ignore the thread for twelve waking hours, many of which are the typical hours off work. I'm not blaming the people that actually bother to show up and write long, detailed posts explaining their relative inactivity, I blame those that don't show up at all.
But if we assume they will, who would we count as experienced? Freak, Wonedslacky, Swiftspear...who else? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You've played before as well right? I think most everyone here except for myself and a few others have played at least 2 games counting this one. As for the wolves giving a clear pattern to follow, They were dumb about killing off experienced players, but if they're not doing it anymore then it's not really something we can use. If they had continued that trend, it might have been possible to see through their actions. Killing Saltzbad must have been a decision based on priority, like I noted before.
I've only played once before. This is my second game...
P.S. I'll be around tonight, assuming I get that gaddamned IRC goin.
I'll therefore postpone serious votes for another day and instead do another wake-up call:
<b>Some tall guy</b>
Subject to change, obviously.
Ran out of time, last time?
Some tall guy - 2.1 (Nemesis Zero, Pulse)
Talesin - 1 (Snidely)
im lost - 2 (Swiftspear, Talesin)
Sky - 1 (BadKarma)
Remember that there's less than 24 hours of day two left - none of you wants a phantom vote, right?
**gonna repost the vote in bold**