Complete luck, I hadn't been looking at the thread for about 15 minutes before you posted your message. Plus, there was about two minutes between your post and my reply.
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Apr 3 2005, 04:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Apr 3 2005, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, you caught that in the 25 seconds it took me to reply again. I'm scared. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We are actively monitoring this thead. <i>Do not be afraid. No harm will come to you.</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Apr 3 2005, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Apr 3 2005, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm going to change my vote to <b>docchimpy</b> for inactivity for now (0 posts in this thread and no IRC activity - an inactive person is useless to the human cause). However I remain easily swayed at this point in time, and am just switching this to take some pressure off our 2 front runners for lynching wonedslackystyle and sometallguy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, instead of taking the pressure off of both, you just intensified the pressure for some tall guy.
OK, I just realized that I might be too busy tomorrow, so I'll cast my vote now. I'm not comfortable adding to the encoumbrance of either of our top contenders since I really am not certain about either, though I've got to admit that I'm more suspicious of woned by tendency (might just be my newbieism, though). In so far, I'm going to wash my hands in innocence and give <b>docchimpy</b> another wake-up call. To make one thing clear, though, I won't have someone who might just've been busy over the weekend lynched over my vote, so if more people vote for doc, I'll likely drop mine again.
It was a just some encouragement for anyone to take a vote off stg - I'm aware it might as well backfire, but thats why votes are changeable after all.
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Apr 3 2005, 05:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Apr 3 2005, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It was a just some encouragement for anyone to take a vote off stg - I'm aware it might as well backfire, but thats why votes are changeable after all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just out of curiousity, what is so special about STG compared to chimpy psyke or slacky? Other then slacky I really can't say I really can't say I can think of a reason why any of those guys would be more likely to be a wolf then STG...
Changing my vote to <b>Renegade</b>, because 4 way ties are better than cleanly voting off someone who is most likely not a wolf, and Renegade's the first person on the list of 'crewmen'. And as payback for enjoying the suffering of us peons last game. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I'm off for the night. Don't burn down the house while I'm gone, kids.
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>I suck at going to bed on time. Four hours of sleep before a workday. GG. >_<</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, never mind that last request SaltzBad I get it now.
Can we get a list of completely inactive players again? I know sometallguy and docchimpy have yet to show up. (Where on earth are they anyway? RL issues or something?) And Psyke as well I think?
For now I am sticking with my "Most Active Player" Theory, because as Ralph Waldo Emerson once said "The more he proclaimed his honor, the faster my wife and I counted our silverware." I.E. The more you have to talk about being an honest person, the less we can trust those sorts of declarations. Or something to that extent.
But what are you guys saying about some tall guy acting weird on IRC? Define weird, because we don't want something akin to salem here.
Most active guy, have not been able to get on all day. Got about five minutes here just saw sin city. Holding vote for now, though I do agree with voting off an inactive.
Alright, won't be able to get back on in time tommorow, so I'm going to change my vote now. Snidely does not deserve my vote anymore, the example has been made.
Inactive people are hurting the game itself right now. If you sign up, sign up to play. I have tried to be active these two days because after this I wont be able to get on Mirc for a long while, So I will have to talk through forums and im's.
My vote goes to <b>Pyske</b> Would like to explain my vote a bit more but no time. g2g bed. night
<!--QuoteBegin-wonedslackystyle+Apr 3 2005, 10:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wonedslackystyle @ Apr 3 2005, 10:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Inactive people are hurting the game itself right now. If you sign up, sign up to play.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Now that makes more sense to me. If you are going to dissapear don't play. Reminds me of "Leavers" in Warcraft III. Nothing ticks me off more than if 4 people just drop out right before the countdown to start the game ends.
Voting off Inactive players simply because they don't show is understandable to me, but bear in mind guys, we need to be lynching wolves, not AFKs. (I use that term in proxy, I don't know what to call them other than inactive players otherwise.)
So if you want a buffer vote, then I guess putting it on the guy who isn't here and doesn't care wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if you find a wolf later.
Also, I have now started sending PMs out to the inactives I have been able to identify, <b>docchimpy, Psyke</b> and <b>Some tall guy.</b> If I don't see activity from you people by the end of day one, you're out of this game.
That really changes the dynamics of the voting. Votes against any of those players become throwaway votes (they are no longer needed to pressure the inactive players), and the only real decision (unless there is a sudden change in opinion by the group) is whether or not to kill slacky. I don't think slacky is a wolf, and I don't suspect anyone else right now, so I will stick with my vote.
STG has shown up in IRC, and I have seen him browsing the thread before... I don't particularly know what is going on with him, but I hope he can get it in gear. This whole join up and then never touch the game thing is really lame... I belive this is the third game dochimpy has stiffed us, I would suggests a 3-4 game ban in the future for anyone signs up and then doesn't play, unless they do a good job of explaining why it just turned out they were way too busy after the fact. I prefer nubby as hell players who ask a bunch of stupid questions, by far, compared to just solid inactive players.
It isn't like we don't make it clear that we don't want people signing up for the game if they don't have the time/intention of playing. We had several established and good players give up slots to other people in this TWG, it isn't fair that they aren't playing when 2-3 players are content to just not show up at all!
Since voting out an inactive wouldn't help at all as they're being replaced, I'm changing my vote to <b>Talesin</b>. Sorry guy, but it's a random vote. I don't think there's a very high chance of Talesin getting killed. I really don't know anyone that I suspect enough, that's why I'm making a random vote.
To clarify: The inactive players will NOT be killed. If I wanted that to happen, I'd let phantom votes take care of it. Rather, the inactive players will be replaced with other players who came too late for the signups. They will take over for the inactive and the game will simply continue as if they had been there in the first place.
Now that I actually understand what lolfighter meant, I don't think I'll keep my vote for an inactive player. My vote is moving to <b>BadKarma</b>. This is a random vote, and will likely change if it becomes an issue.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Apr 4 2005, 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Apr 4 2005, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To clarify: The inactive players will NOT be killed. If I wanted that to happen, I'd let phantom votes take care of it. Rather, the inactive players will be replaced with other players who came too late for the signups. They will take over for the inactive and the game will simply continue as if they had been there in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, if that is the case I would suggest pushing forward the first day's votes so the existing players have more time to properly react to the new players, and the new players have more time to get the swing of what is going on this TWG before night falls and two more names are potentially struck off the list.
oh, I also wanted to mention that I am going to keep my vote until we see the new players. If we aren't going to have any highly inactive players, my main method of early game voting is somewhat stopped, I'll keep my vote until I figure out who I am suspicious of.
Lolfighter just told us that rather than killing an inactive player, he will give that persons role to someone on the waiting list. This dramatically changes the voting dynamics for the first day. We have absolutely no reason to vote for the inactive players (as they will be replaced by active players). Therefore, i will have to change my vote back to <b>wonedslackystyle</b>. I have explained why i feel that he is suspect both in previous posts and in irc, so i do not think that there is any reason to cover those points again. Sorry slacky, i don't <i>think</i> that you are a wolf, but you are definitely more suspect than the rest of the players in this game.
I know that i have been pushing against slacky more than anyone else, but if i get wolfed tonight please do not blame it on him. That would be a really easy way for the wolves to get the humans at each others throats. As always, the vote is subject to change.
Yeah that vote makes perfect sense. Vote for a person you don't think is a wolf because the inactives will be replaced maybe by an active player. Who cares if there is a chance that they could be wolves, makes perfect sense..... All I did was come out and make a point. Tis all. Why is it that you were so hard against me.. Looking to bandwagon a human... maybe.
<!--QuoteBegin-wonedslackystyle+Apr 4 2005, 11:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wonedslackystyle @ Apr 4 2005, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah that vote makes perfect sense. Vote for a person you don't think is a wolf because the inactives will be replaced maybe by an active player. Who cares if there is a chance that they could be wolves, makes perfect sense..... All I did was come out and make a point. Tis all. Why is it that you were so hard against me.. Looking to bandwagon a human... maybe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He doesn't <i>think</i> that anyone is a wolf, yet 4 players have to be, so he is voting at the ones that are most suspect. TBH you are really starting to vibe me too. Your early votes/actions were far from wolf like, but recently you seem more defensive then I really want the humans to be in the game.
Sorry, but you are really vibing me, I'm going to have to change my vote to <b>wonedslackystyle</b>, although I also want to clairfy that this vote is very subject to change pending further evidence/interation, and I want to plea that we don't instalynch him, there is no reason to give the wolfs the advantage of cutting the first day any shorter then it has to be. If you place the lynch vote I will be forced to heavily consider that you may just be a wolf jumping on an easy oppertunity. If I were the seer I know I would be able to at least wait one day to network a wee bit before drilling it to the wolfs.
<!--QuoteBegin-wonedslackystyle+Apr 4 2005, 11:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wonedslackystyle @ Apr 4 2005, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah that vote makes perfect sense. Vote for a person you don't think is a wolf because the inactives will be replaced maybe by an active player. Who cares if there is a chance that they could be wolves, makes perfect sense..... All I did was come out and make a point. Tis all. Why is it that you were so hard against me.. Looking to bandwagon a human... maybe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Like swiftspear said, at the moment i do not have any proof that anyone is a wolf. I do, however, suspect you more so than anyone else (certainly more than a new player who i have never talked to before).
I am hard against you because you (accidently or not) provided a really nice smokescreen for the wolves. You explained your points and most of us let it go at that, but you acted in a desperate manner, which was amplified by you pming a number of people and trying to defend yourself in private (after you had already made all your points clear).
I also have to echo Swifts good point. Please, lets not vote enough to cause an instalynch.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Apr 4 2005, 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Apr 4 2005, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To clarify: The inactive players will NOT be killed. If I wanted that to happen, I'd let phantom votes take care of it. Rather, the inactive players will be replaced with other players who came too late for the signups. They will take over for the inactive and the game will simply continue as if they had been there in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh okay. You scared me there with your first post of warning, because slaughtering 3 potential humans, even if they're inactive, really knocks a blow to the humans because it severely limits our timeframe. Hopefully none of those 3 have special roles, or that could pose a small transition problem.
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Actually, instead of taking the pressure off of both, you just intensified the pressure for some tall guy.
To make one thing clear, though, I won't have someone who might just've been busy over the weekend lynched over my vote, so if more people vote for doc, I'll likely drop mine again.
Just out of curiousity, what is so special about STG compared to chimpy psyke or slacky? Other then slacky I really can't say I really can't say I can think of a reason why any of those guys would be more likely to be a wolf then STG...
Psyke - 3 (Swiftspear, im lost, Renegade)
docchimpy - 3 (Snidely, SaltzBad, Nemesis Zero)
Snidely - 1 (wonedslackystyle)
wonedslackystyle - 3 (BadKarma, Cold NiTe, Talesin)
Some tall guy - 4 (Sky, Pulse, brute force, TheMuffinMan)
And I'm off for the night. Don't burn down the house while I'm gone, kids.
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>I suck at going to bed on time. Four hours of sleep before a workday. GG. >_<</span>
Changing my vote to <b>Renegade</b>, because 4 way ties are better than cleanly voting off someone who is most likely not a wolf, and Renegade's the first person on the list of 'crewmen'. And as payback for enjoying the suffering of us peons last game. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Psyke - 3 (Swiftspear, im lost, Renegade)
docchimpy - 3 (Snidely, SaltzBad, Nemesis Zero)
Snidely - 1 (wonedslackystyle)
wonedslackystyle - 3 (BadKarma, Cold NiTe, Talesin)
Some tall guy - 4 (Sky, Pulse, brute force, TheMuffinMan)
And I'm off for the night. Don't burn down the house while I'm gone, kids.
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>I suck at going to bed on time. Four hours of sleep before a workday. GG. >_<</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, never mind that last request SaltzBad I get it now.
For now I am sticking with my "Most Active Player" Theory, because as Ralph Waldo Emerson once said "The more he proclaimed his honor, the faster my wife and I counted our silverware." I.E. The more you have to talk about being an honest person, the less we can trust those sorts of declarations. Or something to that extent.
But what are you guys saying about some tall guy acting weird on IRC? Define weird, because we don't want something akin to salem here.
Got about five minutes here just saw sin city.
Holding vote for now, though I do agree with voting off an inactive.
Inactive people are hurting the game itself right now. If you sign up, sign up to play.
I have tried to be active these two days because after this I wont be able to get on Mirc for a long while, So I will have to talk through forums and im's.
My vote goes to <b>Pyske</b> Would like to explain my vote a bit more but no time. g2g bed.
night
Now that makes more sense to me. If you are going to dissapear don't play. Reminds me of "Leavers" in Warcraft III. Nothing ticks me off more than if 4 people just drop out right before the countdown to start the game ends.
Voting off Inactive players simply because they don't show is understandable to me, but bear in mind guys, we need to be lynching wolves, not AFKs. (I use that term in proxy, I don't know what to call them other than inactive players otherwise.)
So if you want a buffer vote, then I guess putting it on the guy who isn't here and doesn't care wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if you find a wolf later.
Psyke - 4 (Swiftspear, im lost, Renegade, wonedslackystyle)
docchimpy - 3 (Snidely, SaltzBad, Nemesis Zero)
wonedslackystyle - 3 (BadKarma, Cold NiTe, Talesin)
Some tall guy - 3 (Pulse, brute force, TheMuffinMan)
Renegade - 1 (Sky)
Also, I have now started sending PMs out to the inactives I have been able to identify, <b>docchimpy, Psyke</b> and <b>Some tall guy.</b> If I don't see activity from you people by the end of day one, you're out of this game.
It isn't like we don't make it clear that we don't want people signing up for the game if they don't have the time/intention of playing. We had several established and good players give up slots to other people in this TWG, it isn't fair that they aren't playing when 2-3 players are content to just not show up at all!
Ah, if that is the case I would suggest pushing forward the first day's votes so the existing players have more time to properly react to the new players, and the new players have more time to get the swing of what is going on this TWG before night falls and two more names are potentially struck off the list.
I know that i have been pushing against slacky more than anyone else, but if i get wolfed tonight please do not blame it on him. That would be a really easy way for the wolves to get the humans at each others throats. As always, the vote is subject to change.
All I did was come out and make a point. Tis all. Why is it that you were so hard against me.. Looking to bandwagon a human... maybe.
All I did was come out and make a point. Tis all. Why is it that you were so hard against me.. Looking to bandwagon a human... maybe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He doesn't <i>think</i> that anyone is a wolf, yet 4 players have to be, so he is voting at the ones that are most suspect. TBH you are really starting to vibe me too. Your early votes/actions were far from wolf like, but recently you seem more defensive then I really want the humans to be in the game.
Sorry, but you are really vibing me, I'm going to have to change my vote to <b>wonedslackystyle</b>, although I also want to clairfy that this vote is very subject to change pending further evidence/interation, and I want to plea that we don't instalynch him, there is no reason to give the wolfs the advantage of cutting the first day any shorter then it has to be. If you place the lynch vote I will be forced to heavily consider that you may just be a wolf jumping on an easy oppertunity. If I were the seer I know I would be able to at least wait one day to network a wee bit before drilling it to the wolfs.
Psyke - 2 (Renegade, wonedslackystyle)
docchimpy - 2 (Snidely, SaltzBad)
wonedslackystyle - 5 (BadKarma, Cold NiTe, Talesin, TheMuffinMan, Swiftspear)
Some tall guy - 1 (Pulse)
Renegade - 1 (Sky)
Talesin - 1 (brute force)
BadKarma - 2 (im lost, Nemesis Zero)
All I did was come out and make a point. Tis all. Why is it that you were so hard against me.. Looking to bandwagon a human... maybe. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like swiftspear said, at the moment i do not have any proof that anyone is a wolf. I do, however, suspect you more so than anyone else (certainly more than a new player who i have never talked to before).
I am hard against you because you (accidently or not) provided a really nice smokescreen for the wolves. You explained your points and most of us let it go at that, but you acted in a desperate manner, which was amplified by you pming a number of people and trying to defend yourself in private (after you had already made all your points clear).
I also have to echo Swifts good point. Please, lets not vote enough to cause an instalynch.
Oh okay. You scared me there with your first post of warning, because slaughtering 3 potential humans, even if they're inactive, really knocks a blow to the humans because it severely limits our timeframe. Hopefully none of those 3 have special roles, or that could pose a small transition problem.