Kick up smoke screen or get this going. Your just angry cause I pointed out you. I used you as an example to prove a point. (did not work). Random votes are horrible things.... All I have done here is explained that to you all. If you think just because I said random votes are bad and voted Sniedly as an example then so be it. Get me lynched, will only hurt you and help the wolves.
After seeing those votes, I realized I couldn't remember seeing Psyke at all during the game. After a quick search through my IRC logs, plus clicking on the little link showing who has posted how many times in a thread (the number showing the total number of replies), I confirmed that he has not shown up anywhere to do anything involving twg. So, my vote goes to <b>Psyke</b>. This might be the same as what happened to Nil_IQ in TWG I, but it's the best I have to work with for now.
I decided to look further into Swiftspear's statement about inactive people. It turns out that the following people haven't posted at all in this thread:
Psyke docchimpy Talesin Some tall guy Renegade Cold-NiTe
Of those six, the following four people haven't shown up in IRC at all (unless they used a different name that I didn't think to search for): Psyke docchimpy Some tall guy
I just thought it would be good to keep everyone informed.
I had a good nap, incase anyone was wondering <3. Heres my 2 cents.
I don't think slacky is a wolf... he is partially right on what he says, wolfs would tend to vote more randomly day one, because they need to keep attention off of themselfs in the first few days, compared to humans who may or may not have attention drawn on them at any given time. Being in the limelight is not nessicarly a major threat to a human, as in the long run they want to play as short a game as possible (the more turns the game goes, the more nights the wolfs get to kill off humans anyways). The wolfs on the other hand can't afford to die so early into the game. Slacky really doesn't look like a wolf to me, IIRC he is somewhat of an experianced player, you would think he would know that drawing large ammounts of attention to yourself as a wolf is a stupid thing to do.
On the other hand, I don't agree with you slacky. Alot of the players are going to vote randomly the first day, that is part of the reason the wolfs will jump the bandwagon. Part of the appeal of the random vote is that in the first few turns they push the game out longer. You get to avoid a phantom vote and at the same time you potentially push the game out longer giving you and your fellow humans more time to really analize everyone's actions.
ATM with nothing to go on, I biggest suspicions are the players who have had as little public exposure as possible, but have made the slightest attempt to appear active, meaning Talesin, Renegade, and Cold-NiTe. Although I need to clarify that I really don't know any more about those players then that, so that is far from an ironclad opinion, so much so that I really don't want to vote on that path just yet, I'm just going to be using my time to keep tabs on those players.
ATM I just want all the quieter players to at least donate a little time to the game here. If worst comes to worst, we really don't know anything the first day, and I figure even if the quieter players are not wolf related, the least they are is threatening. They will be less able to spot wolfs in the late game, and they will be less likely to understand the inticricies of a good allience, and vote out of party lines.
Quiet players hide secrets too easily. I don't want anyone going under the radar in any TWG I play.
Finally. I respect your opinion. A couple random votes can be okay., but when you get everyone doing it, it becomes silly. I do agree with the people being inactive is a threat, they are only hurting us. Renegades post is suspicous due to the fact that he just said hi and did not add anything (really annoying). In my books he still has not been active at all this game.
<!--QuoteBegin-wonedslackystyle+Apr 2 2005, 10:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wonedslackystyle @ Apr 2 2005, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Finally. I respect your opinion. A couple random votes can be okay., but when you get everyone doing it, it becomes silly. I do agree with the people being inactive is a threat, they are only hurting us. Renegades post is suspicous due to the fact that he just said hi and did not add anything (really annoying). In my books he still has not been active at all this game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Random votes are bad, but perhaps you shouldn't go around crusading against everyone who does it. Unless you are baiting, like saltzbad mentioned, which even then you might catch a bunch of people trying to catch who they think of as the wolf.
I'm still confused as to who to vote for. My theory is that the more active someone is, the more likely they are a wolf, because they would defend their name. But this is my first game and I can only try to prove that theory here.
**EDIT**
I am going to make a false vote right now, just incase I end up working late and I risk getting a phantom vote against me. This vote is simply a buffer, to keep me from any penalties. But it IS influenced by your crusading, slacky.
I vote <b>wonedslackystyle</b>, but if I see something more suspicious than a vote against a guy because of randomvotes, then I'll definitely go for that. That is assuming I don't get stuck with work and real life.
From my experiance the wolfs are more likely to play a quiet game unless they are forced to do otherwize. Once you push them into the limelight often they can become extreamly gragarious players, and it certianly isn't a granted that all wolfs even WILL start out quiet. But a quiet wolf plays an easier game then a loud an bouystrious wolf, just because the less they say the less they could have said to instigate themselfs.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Actually, I ended up out and about due to a friend's birthday. After all, in these troubling times, we have to remember to celebrate life, yadda yadda blah. Anyway, I'd have to argue against Renegade's wolfishness... some people *are* still pretty busy, and can't devote the few minutes it'd take to write up a post. I'd agree with Cold-Nite though, and so will cast my vote on <b>wonedslackystyle</b>.
PS- Swiftspear, the word is 'incriminate', or possibly 'implicate'.
Alright, I'm going to go out on a tangent and vote for <b>Psyke</b>. Think of it as incentive to discontinue inactivity <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Apr 2 2005, 11:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Apr 2 2005, 11:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, I ended up out and about due to a friend's birthday. After all, in these troubling times, we have to remember to celebrate life, yadda yadda blah. Anyway, I'd have to argue against Renegade's wolfishness... some people *are* still pretty busy, and can't devote the few minutes it'd take to write up a post. I'd agree with Cold-Nite though, and so will cast my vote on <b>wonedslackystyle</b>.
PS- Swiftspear, the word is 'incriminate', or possibly 'implicate'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wonderful... Almost makes me wish I was allowed to edit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Good morning. The likely only thing I'll have to say until I cast my vote tomorrow is that I'd suggest nobody votes for woned anymore, unless you <i>really</i> want to get him instalynched. Nonetheless, woned, speaking as a (part time) admin, I've got to remind you of our <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/community' target='_blank'>community's rules</a>. I don't want to have to bring up the question of what to do with a player who's being suspended for the duration of the game.
<!--QuoteBegin-wonedslackystyle+Apr 2 2005, 08:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wonedslackystyle @ Apr 2 2005, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kick up smoke screen or get this going. Your just angry cause I pointed out you. I used you as an example to prove a point. (did not work). Random votes are horrible things.... All I have done here is explained that to you all. If you think just because I said random votes are bad and voted Sniedly as an example then so be it. Get me lynched, will only hurt you and help the wolves. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not angry, I just think that it's odd reasoning that random votes are so bad for the first day. We're just going to have to agree to disagree here.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Apr 3 2005, 03:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 3 2005, 03:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is not going to happen. The very first rule I made when I became Community Lead is not to bend the rules. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm sorry but for some reason I find that absolutely irrisistable.
You may not want to bring it up, Nem, but you have already done so, so I'll let the following serve as a warning: Since suspension are usually at least a week as far as I remember, there is only one fate possible for a player whom this happens to: Death. The player will die on the next dawn/dusk in addition to the wolf/lynching victim, just as if he had broken the game rules and was being thrown out of the game for it. There is no reason to leave a player in the game when we know that he has no means of staying active.
So this goes out to ALL of you: Do not break the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/view?action=displaycommunityrules' target='_blank'>Community Rules.</a> The Admins here have shown their willingness to throw you out for a while if you do not behave, and Nem has made it clear that there will be no exceptions just because you are playing TWG.
PulseTo create, to create and escape.Join Date: 2002-08-29Member: 1248Members, Constellation
God <i>damnit</i>! I had a sizeable post about random posts and why they're perfectly ok on the first day, while picking fights is not, typed up and ready to send, only to lose it and get cut off from the internet until now because my ISP sucks. If I ever go inactive for a long period of time with no explanation, assume I'm going on a ramapage in the offices of my ISP.
Also, I'm changing my vote to <b>Some tall guy</b> because he's almost always inactive and when he isn't, his behavior is just plain odd. Feel free to prove me wrong though, all first day votes are subject to change, after all.
I'm also going to vote for <b>some tall guy</b> for now. I'd like to see you a bit more active. I don't want you to get lynched though unless I have sufficient reason, so this will most likely change.
I discovered in IRC that not everyone was clear on an important rule. Someone has to die during the day. If no one is instalynched, then the person with the most votes will die. I just thought it would be worth repeating here.
Up until now i thought that the only way for a human to be voted off was to be instalynched. Lolly just informed me on IRC about the normal lynch rules, so i will have to change my vote to <b>some tall guy</b>.
If you can hop on IRC or the forums and explain away your absence, fair enough. If you do not then i will have to assume that you are a wolf and keep my vote as it is. If i have added up the votes correctly, this ties you with slacky at 4 votes. The same goes for Psyke. If you cannot explain your absence then you will probably get voted off.
It is in the humans best interests to kill someone who has more evidence against him, so unless you are wolves, please post as soon as possible and clear your name.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Apr 3 2005, 03:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 3 2005, 03:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It is not going to happen. The very first rule I made when I became Community Lead is not to bend the rules.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have a new sig quote now.
I'm going to change my vote to <b>docchimpy</b> for inactivity for now (0 posts in this thread and no IRC activity - an inactive person is useless to the human cause). However I remain easily swayed at this point in time, and am just switching this to take some pressure off our 2 front runners for lynching wonedslackystyle and sometallguy.
Forgot about the no edit rule. The change in the edit was to add "- an inactive person is useless for the human cause)" to the explanation of my vote. Doh.
Comments
Psyke - 1 (Swiftspear)
docchimpy - 1 (Snidely)
Snidely - 1 (wonedslackystyle)
wonedslackystyle - 4 (Pulse, TheMuffinMan, SaltzBad, BadKarma)
TheMuffinMan - 1 (im lost)
Some tall guy - 1 (Sky)
And with that I'm off for the night.
All I have done here is explained that to you all. If you think just because I said random votes are bad and voted Sniedly as an example then so be it. Get me lynched, will only hurt you and help the wolves.
Psyke
docchimpy
Talesin
Some tall guy
Renegade
Cold-NiTe
Of those six, the following four people haven't shown up in IRC at all (unless they used a different name that I didn't think to search for):
Psyke
docchimpy
Some tall guy
I just thought it would be good to keep everyone informed.
Just a heads-up: My weekends are often alot bussier than my weekdays, so don't expect to see me post in here during them.
I don't think slacky is a wolf... he is partially right on what he says, wolfs would tend to vote more randomly day one, because they need to keep attention off of themselfs in the first few days, compared to humans who may or may not have attention drawn on them at any given time. Being in the limelight is not nessicarly a major threat to a human, as in the long run they want to play as short a game as possible (the more turns the game goes, the more nights the wolfs get to kill off humans anyways). The wolfs on the other hand can't afford to die so early into the game. Slacky really doesn't look like a wolf to me, IIRC he is somewhat of an experianced player, you would think he would know that drawing large ammounts of attention to yourself as a wolf is a stupid thing to do.
On the other hand, I don't agree with you slacky. Alot of the players are going to vote randomly the first day, that is part of the reason the wolfs will jump the bandwagon. Part of the appeal of the random vote is that in the first few turns they push the game out longer. You get to avoid a phantom vote and at the same time you potentially push the game out longer giving you and your fellow humans more time to really analize everyone's actions.
ATM with nothing to go on, I biggest suspicions are the players who have had as little public exposure as possible, but have made the slightest attempt to appear active, meaning Talesin, Renegade, and Cold-NiTe. Although I need to clarify that I really don't know any more about those players then that, so that is far from an ironclad opinion, so much so that I really don't want to vote on that path just yet, I'm just going to be using my time to keep tabs on those players.
ATM I just want all the quieter players to at least donate a little time to the game here. If worst comes to worst, we really don't know anything the first day, and I figure even if the quieter players are not wolf related, the least they are is threatening. They will be less able to spot wolfs in the late game, and they will be less likely to understand the inticricies of a good allience, and vote out of party lines.
Quiet players hide secrets too easily. I don't want anyone going under the radar in any TWG I play.
I do agree with the people being inactive is a threat, they are only hurting us.
Renegades post is suspicous due to the fact that he just said hi and did not add anything (really annoying). In my books he still has not been active at all this game.
I do agree with the people being inactive is a threat, they are only hurting us.
Renegades post is suspicous due to the fact that he just said hi and did not add anything (really annoying). In my books he still has not been active at all this game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Random votes are bad, but perhaps you shouldn't go around crusading against everyone who does it. Unless you are baiting, like saltzbad mentioned, which even then you might catch a bunch of people trying to catch who they think of as the wolf.
I'm still confused as to who to vote for. My theory is that the more active someone is, the more likely they are a wolf, because they would defend their name. But this is my first game and I can only try to prove that theory here.
**EDIT**
I am going to make a false vote right now, just incase I end up working late and I risk getting a phantom vote against me. This vote is simply a buffer, to keep me from any penalties. But it IS influenced by your crusading, slacky.
I vote <b>wonedslackystyle</b>, but if I see something more suspicious than a vote against a guy because of randomvotes, then I'll definitely go for that. That is assuming I don't get stuck with work and real life.
Also, it's quite common for the wolves to be less active than some of the humans, because they don't want to draw too much attention.
I'd agree with Cold-Nite though, and so will cast my vote on <b>wonedslackystyle</b>.
PS- Swiftspear, the word is 'incriminate', or possibly 'implicate'.
I'd agree with Cold-Nite though, and so will cast my vote on <b>wonedslackystyle</b>.
PS- Swiftspear, the word is 'incriminate', or possibly 'implicate'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wonderful... Almost makes me wish I was allowed to edit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
All I have done here is explained that to you all. If you think just because I said random votes are bad and voted Sniedly as an example then so be it. Get me lynched, will only hurt you and help the wolves. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not angry, I just think that it's odd reasoning that random votes are so bad for the first day. We're just going to have to agree to disagree here.
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I'm sorry but for some reason I find that absolutely irrisistable.
Psyke - 3 (Swiftspear, im lost, Renegade)
docchimpy - 1 (Snidely)
Snidely - 1 (wonedslackystyle)
wonedslackystyle - 6 (Pulse, TheMuffinMan, SaltzBad, BadKarma, Cold NiTe, Talesin)
Some tall guy - 1 (Sky)
You may not want to bring it up, Nem, but you have already done so, so I'll let the following serve as a warning:
Since suspension are usually at least a week as far as I remember, there is only one fate possible for a player whom this happens to: Death. The player will die on the next dawn/dusk in addition to the wolf/lynching victim, just as if he had broken the game rules and was being thrown out of the game for it. There is no reason to leave a player in the game when we know that he has no means of staying active.
So this goes out to ALL of you: Do not break the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/view?action=displaycommunityrules' target='_blank'>Community Rules.</a> The Admins here have shown their willingness to throw you out for a while if you do not behave, and Nem has made it clear that there will be no exceptions just because you are playing TWG.
Also, I'm changing my vote to <b>Some tall guy</b> because he's almost always inactive and when he isn't, his behavior is just plain odd. Feel free to prove me wrong though, all first day votes are subject to change, after all.
If you can hop on IRC or the forums and explain away your absence, fair enough. If you do not then i will have to assume that you are a wolf and keep my vote as it is. If i have added up the votes correctly, this ties you with slacky at 4 votes. The same goes for Psyke. If you cannot explain your absence then you will probably get voted off.
It is in the humans best interests to kill someone who has more evidence against him, so unless you are wolves, please post as soon as possible and clear your name.
Psyke - 3 (Swiftspear, im lost, Renegade)
docchimpy - 1 (Snidely)
Snidely - 1 (wonedslackystyle)
wonedslackystyle - 4 (SaltzBad, BadKarma, Cold NiTe, Talesin)
Some tall guy - 4 (Sky, Pulse, brute force, TheMuffinMan)
I have a new sig quote now.