Explicit Instructions On How To Play Ns In Steam

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  • XodlikeXodlike Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16985Members
    Yes there is, here is the URL C:/Sierra/Half-life/fmod.dll
  • AlphaWolfAlphaWolf Join Date: 2003-01-11 Member: 12175Members
    edited November 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--@nthony+Nov 19 2003, 10:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (@nthony @ Nov 19 2003, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Upon converting any game to steam (especially NS) does anyone else find that the mouse movements are severely changed (for the worst!).  Handling the mouse feels odd after years of experience with the old HL and aiming is a skill I have to relearn now.  It feels like the mouse accelerates rapidly initialy but then slows down and requires more effort to move it across the screen.  The result..... aiming for that lerk on crack can be a tricky ordeal! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You are correct, steam forces mouse accelleration, which really annoys me as well.

    Normally in half life, you disable mouse accelleration with the -noforcemaccel parameter (other good parameters to use for proper mouse control are -noforcemspd and -noforcemparms). In steam, you can't pass this as a general parameter, you have to pass it to the individual game you want to play and launch it outside of the steam menu. To launch NS with no mouse accelleration, do this:

    "C:\Program Files\Steam\Steam.exe" -applaunch 70 -game ns -noforcemaccel -noforcemspd -noforcemparms

    Happy hunting <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    EDIT: Oh, one more thing; steam is retarded. Sometimes you have to make sure steam is completely closed (e.g. no tray icon, steam.exe process gone) when you launch natural selection this way, otherwise it doesn't activate NS, it just activates regular half life instead which gets you nowhere.

    Speak of steam being retarded...why the hell couldn't valve release HL 1.1.2.0 in the form of a non steam release? I think its great that they replaced that slow buggy GDI menu system as well as fixed the four year old sound bugs...I just wish it didn't require steams servers to lag first in order to play it (not to mention having that stupid little applet not self terminate when you are done with the game).
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2003
    Whenever I try to join a ns game, I get the error: Error verifying STEAM UserID Ticket(server was unable to contact the authentication server, 35).

    The odd thing is, Steam was working just last night - it only started doing this today. Wierd.

    If anyone knows how to fix this, I'd be greatful.

    [EDIT] Devicenull told me how to fix this. Just log off steam and log back on.
  • chrisjenxchrisjenx Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12055Members
    Ok guys got a slight prob not major but would like it solving

    Got NS working fine on steam
    Got NS Dedicated working on Steam but with one slight glitch...
    i can host a server and it appears in the server list (CJ's Test server)
    but when i try to connect to it it dosent let me it says "invalid STEAM ticket ID" summin like that.

    i dont get it caouse i connect to all other ppls servers

    it must be settings on my config's in my NS ded server file??
  • AlphaWolfAlphaWolf Join Date: 2003-01-11 Member: 12175Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--chrisjenx+Nov 23 2003, 08:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (chrisjenx @ Nov 23 2003, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok guys got a slight prob not major but would like it solving

    Got NS working fine on steam
    Got NS Dedicated working on Steam but with one slight glitch...
    i can host a server and it appears in the server list (CJ's Test server)
    but when i try to connect to it it dosent let me it says "invalid STEAM ticket ID" summin like that.

    i dont get it caouse i connect to all other ppls servers

    it must be settings on my config's in my NS ded server file?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Look <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=faq&id=1050915505,27362300,1068579887,20817100' target='_blank'>here</a>.
  • chrisjenxchrisjenx Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12055Members
    hummm cheers? in sence lol
    ahh well i'll sort it doesent matter that much.
    just a small prob
  • NScombatNScombat Join Date: 2003-11-17 Member: 23043Members, Constellation
    Can I play on Won servers now that I have installed Steam? I find the number of NS servers very limited and I get the rr crash at the end of every round.
    I have tried clicking my original desktop shortcuts but they have been rerouted to the steam run version.

    Also how do I create a lan game without running steam.

    Thanks for your patience
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--comb@t+Nov 25 2003, 09:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comb@t @ Nov 25 2003, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can I play on Won servers now that I have installed Steam?  I find the number of NS servers very limited and I get the rr crash at the end of every round.
    I have tried clicking my original desktop shortcuts but they have been rerouted to the steam run version.

    Also how do I create a lan game without running steam.

    Thanks for your patience<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can play on WON servers but only with your WON client. It sounds as if your WON client was borked during the STEAM install process. Go into IExplore and see if it still exists in it's entirety. Also know that STEAM updates can and will bork your WON client.

    Lan games cannot currently be created unless you use your WON client.
  • NScombatNScombat Join Date: 2003-11-17 Member: 23043Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--kwikloader+Nov 25 2003, 09:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Nov 25 2003, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    You can play on WON servers but only with your WON client. It sounds as if your WON client was borked during the STEAM install process. Go into IExplore and see if it still exists in it's entirety. Also know that STEAM updates can and will bork your WON client.

    Lan games cannot currently be created unless you use your WON client. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks for the quick reply, will check my home pc later - how will I know if my won client is there? I don't suppose I can simply reinstall half life and then NS to another directory.. to play on won servers/lan.

    Of all the issues with Steam, I can't believe they've shipped it without Lan support. I play dod as well so didn't have any real choice because the latest release was steam only.
  • ToxicAvengerToxicAvenger Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17624Members, Constellation
    A quick fix to be able to play on both Steam, and WonID servers. This takes up some space, but it works and until NS2.1 comes out, there just aren't as many Steam servers as there are Won servers.
    OK, you have to install a second Half-Life into your hard drive. This is because when you install Steam, it changes several things, including .dll's so that your original HL will no longer work with Won. I'll give you examples, and you can modify as you see fit. Your original HL is probably installed in your hard drive something like this--- c:/Sierra/Halflife
    what you need to do is create a new folder in your hard drive and install HL to it (eg. herehl). During installation, it will want to reinstall to the default. Redirect, even if you have to type the name in, to your newly created folder, herehl(you can call it whatever you want). When you're done, it will look something like this----c:/hereshl/Sierra/Halflife
    Now that you've done that, go ahead and patch and install NS into your new HL.
    I've done this and it works great with UDPSoft's All Seeing Eye, Game Tiger, and any other game launching program you may use. I came up with this for my clan because we are still running WonID server for NS until they release NS2.1 and force us to go to Steam full time. So far, everyone has done this has worked fine for.
    Good luck, and happy gaming!!!!
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  • NScombatNScombat Join Date: 2003-11-17 Member: 23043Members, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    Thanks very much for the advise.

    I admit that Steam doesn't have huge amounts of NS servers but there are a few quality ones out there (pub-tastic).

    What has finally sold the extra install for me is LAN gaming - my friends aren't internet fiends so will not want the hassle of installing steam. This would mean no LAN games for me.

    Will still keep Steam ticking but will have my back up version!

    Will post back to confirm all is ok

    EDIT > I ran a full install directed to a "wonsierra" folder. HL 100% locks when I click Internet in the ingame browser, it also does the same if I try ASE. It was a part success though, I can play LAN games with out any lock ups.
  • Ken_HidakaKen_Hidaka Join Date: 2003-12-05 Member: 23985Members
    edited December 2003
    Ugh... I did all of the above; but it runs Half-Life instead of Natural-Selection :/ Any idea why?

    EDIT: Ok, got the spalsh screen and what-not. Now I get 'Reliable channel overflow'. I didthe userconfig.cfg stuff, and it still happens.... heeeeelp ;-; I wanna play.
  • FlikFlik Join Date: 2003-09-28 Member: 21286Members
    edited December 2003
    QUESTION!!!

    IS it me, or does Steam not work with CS Retail? (i.e. runs HL when I try to run NS)
  • PrintPrint Join Date: 2003-12-24 Member: 24733Members
    I see no icon for NS on the games list yet I followed all those instructions.
  • ZycoZyco Join Date: 2003-10-17 Member: 21731Members
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--s_viper3+Sep 17 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (s_viper3 @ Sep 17 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    5. Double-click on the Halflife one, and after a few moments of doing stuff, you'll now be into a newer looking version of the halflife regular main menu. Start a single player game, ride around happily on the tram for a minute and then hit escape to get to the main menu and quit out of halflife.

    Now Halflife is "initialized", and now mods can be added onto it.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm having some trouble with the initializing of Half-Life. The first time I tried to do this, it said "registering CD Key with STEAM", but after a few seconds it stopped, and a window comes up with "Invalid CD Key, or CD Key already Registered on a different account".

    So then it asks me for a CD Key again, so I type it back in, and i get the same thing. I try another old CD Key from a friend, and get the same thing.

    I had already registered my first CD Key with STEAM, on the same account, but when i go to Update Half-Life, I get this CD Key Error.
    I have already installed and uninstalled STEAM twice, this is my 3rd and final go at getting it to work properly, and it's already off to a bad start.

    If someone could help out, I think the problem might be the wrong format of the CD Key.
    (At first I typed it as "xxxxxxxxxxxxx", as a whole number, but then i did it as shown on my Half-Life CD Case, "xxxx-xxxxx-xxxx", but I got the same thing)... It also says in the message that "V and Y can look alike, as can O and 0"... But this confuses me because all Half-Life CD Keys I've seen only have NUMBERS, and no Letters.
  • capone125capone125 Join Date: 2003-11-06 Member: 22348Members
    3 letts, 3 words, one question....WTH?! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
    I get the first pic when i start up NS, then i click on then the second one comes up, ARgh the only 3rd person mod that works for me is god damn Sven Coop
  • capone125capone125 Join Date: 2003-11-06 Member: 22348Members
    whoops! 4got the pic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> eheh
  • NamisarNamisar Join Date: 2003-12-29 Member: 24862Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--s_viper3+Sep 17 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (s_viper3 @ Sep 17 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1. Fix max ex_maxerrordistance errors and "reliable channel overflow" client crashes:
    -create userconfig.cfg in half-life\ns and add alias "ex_maxerrordistance" ""
    <make sure your \ns\config.cfg file contains exec userconfig.cfg>
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm getting the "Reliable channel overflow" all the time. How do you create userconfig.cfg? And how do you add the "alias" or whatever. Sorry, I just didn't understand how those instructions are supposed to help me.
  • NupiNupi Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10898Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--capone125+Dec 29 2003, 09:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (capone125 @ Dec 29 2003, 09:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> whoops! 4got the pic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> eheh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I dont know if i'm right but just purely guessing, here goes.

    1st pic: Does your system already have fmod.dll ? (search for duplicates), some games might have used the same file ..

    2nd pic: I wouldn't install steam on the default path what the installer suggests, its so long (that might be causing the problems).
    Give it another try and install it to "C:\SteamHL" for example, the long path might be causing the fmod.dll problem too.
  • antfarm007antfarm007 Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10035Members
    I am getting the same problem as capone.
  • HateradeHaterade Join Date: 2004-01-19 Member: 25471Members
    im a lazy mofo, can these fixes wait till three point oh <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • zidane2010zidane2010 Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24120Members
    this is happening to me and my friend too. and it was working perfectly before. but then steam updated and it was ruined~! bwh afkda;gfdsalafn. pllllleassee! heeeelp usss! and i have compleastly deleted steam and i reinstalled, no luck
  • CraniumCranium Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10598Members
    When I try to install NS 3.0 beta 1 (full), I get this message: "Steam with proper Third Party mod support is not installed."

    What is wrong? I have already installed the full Steam version (700mb).
  • CMF-HawkeyeCMF-Hawkeye Join Date: 2004-02-02 Member: 25975Members
    Anyone know why the Steam client for Beta2 would seemingly randomly DC from the server?
  • LoDwkeefLoDwkeef Join Date: 2003-10-08 Member: 21512Members
    edited February 2004
    AHH!!!!! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> !!! steam!!

    I got steam installed and everything i can load up the new menu for ns, all the games apear. But when i join the came it says its trying to connect but just keeps going "retrying retrying(1) retrying(2) retrying(3) retrying(4) Steam could not connect to server" !!!!! AHH!H!H!H!HH!H!H!H!H!!!!.

    FYI i got the 211 mb steam install
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Hmmm... I got Steam full version and when I try to start any HL game it says there is not enough disk space to initialize any of them. They're already installed, though... I have about 500MB free space on both drives, but HL is only installed on my secondary drive. Why is it taking up space on my Windows drive? Why is it not working?! I need answers! I haven't played NS in months thanks to that infernal piece of software!
  • WeltschmerzWeltschmerz Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20538Members
    Considering that:

    1): the first post on how to get NS to work with STEAM (this thread) was posted like, September last year and-

    2): even today, some people are still having an unreasonably
    hard time getting STEAM to work, for various and sundry reasons-

    Could we get a brand-new post/thread, like from Flayra or others on the inside, on how to get this to work and what to do when encountering the top 100-or-so biggest bugs in the process? Last sunday night, 'round 10PM PST(usa), there were only 110 WON players on.... this weekend, chances are I won't be able to play at all.

    Before you players who've had a relatively easy time with STEAM, or have been suffering with it from the beginning cluck your tongues, let me say; I appreciate all the hell that people are going through, dealing with the bugs and the patches and the code tweaking and on-and-on-ad-nauseam, but I'm waiting 'till STEAM is basically as smooth as WON (was), before I try coverting over. If this never happens, count me as another NS player lost. I want to PLAY, not get aggravated, have to re-code/console-fix things, or get told my completely valid CD key is in use by someone else...

    So anyway, I haven't seen one yet but that doesn't mean there isn't one out there... please make an updated STEAM installation guide. Every day that this is hard to get into, I'm sure turns a few possible NS players away. (sigh)....

    Thanks for reading my rant. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Apox-Noob_SaibotApox-Noob_Saibot Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26812Members
    Is Natural Selection Gunna get out of steam , Because Steam is a very **** program , it doesnt let me in because i have an invalid Cd Key , Just because i bought the older versions of hl and opposing force i cant play on steam along with the countless others that play 2.0 have the same problem. If it getts into a hl mod many more people would play it.
  • Apox-Noob_SaibotApox-Noob_Saibot Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26812Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zyco+Dec 28 2003, 05:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zyco @ Dec 28 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--s_viper3+Sep 17 2003, 11:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-s_viper3 @ Sep 17 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    5. Double-click on the Halflife one, and after a few moments of doing stuff, you'll now be into a newer looking version of the halflife regular main menu. Start a single player game, ride around happily on the tram for a minute and then hit escape to get to the main menu and quit out of halflife.

    Now Halflife is "initialized", and now mods can be added onto it.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm having some trouble with the initializing of Half-Life. The first time I tried to do this, it said "registering CD Key with STEAM", but after a few seconds it stopped, and a window comes up with "Invalid CD Key, or CD Key already Registered on a different account".

    So then it asks me for a CD Key again, so I type it back in, and i get the same thing. I try another old CD Key from a friend, and get the same thing.

    I had already registered my first CD Key with STEAM, on the same account, but when i go to Update Half-Life, I get this CD Key Error.
    I have already installed and uninstalled STEAM twice, this is my 3rd and final go at getting it to work properly, and it's already off to a bad start.

    If someone could help out, I think the problem might be the wrong format of the CD Key.
    (At first I typed it as "xxxxxxxxxxxxx", as a whole number, but then i did it as shown on my Half-Life CD Case, "xxxx-xxxxx-xxxx", but I got the same thing)... It also says in the message that "V and Y can look alike, as can O and 0"... But this confuses me because all Half-Life CD Keys I've seen only have NUMBERS, and no Letters. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I got that same error steam is a unreliable program it sux big juicy !@## , The letters are for Opposing Force Blue shift dod cd keys .
  • huckuhucku Join Date: 2004-02-27 Member: 26939Members
    Ok..... I AM COMPLETELY LOST!!!!!!!!! I the fmodl.dll model is in its place, but i dont know what you mean by userconfig.cfg. I dunno how to create it... Besides, I've installed both betas (patch and client) And I've fired up steam for about 100 times AND I STILL CAN'T USE NATURAL SELECTION!!!! WHATS GOING ON!>!>?
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