Its marketed as pay to win, that's my issue. Its also my opinion, one that you are free to disagree with but won't change by insisting its fine. I'm also not concerned, just voicing my opinion on the subject.
Get real. It's marketed like that because it sounds cool. In the western world basically every advertisement is overkill. Yet nobody tries to get wings from redbull jumping out of a plane without a parachute. Except Travis Pastrana, but still.
Everyone is well enough capable to figure out the armor isn't really pay to win. Counting on that, UWE is able to use big words without deceiving anyone.
@meatmachine
If I awesome you would that be a circle jerk? :-)
It would be awesome if you could get something recorded. I would buy a copy on itunes. Better yet, if you could included with the next DLC and give half to @SamusDroid , I would get 2 copies. One for me and one to give away.
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edited May 2014
correct @BeigeAlert @unclecrunch Not quite sure what each picture is, no idea as to the bug in the first picture
the second one i guess you mean those walls visible to commander?
picture 3 not sure
picture 4 working as intended
If i'm going to pay $10 instead of $5, all of it should go to those who actually did the work. I'm not paying a company for doing almost nothing but publishing a build.
If Unknown Worlds had done nothing but publish a build, then this would be an understandable sentiment. Unfortunately, the cost to Unknown Worlds of producing the Kodiak Update is very high, and so high relative to the revenue likely to be generated by DLC sales that it is no certainty that Unknown Worlds can continue Natural Selection 2 development further. I say 'unfortunately' because I, and everyone else at Unknown Worlds, would very much like Natural Selection 2 development to continue in perpetuity. Nothing is free, and Unknown Worlds cannot wish updates into existence.
correct @BeigeAlert @unclecrunch Not quite sure what each picture is, no idea as to the bug in the first picture
the second one i guess you mean those walls visible to commander?
picture 3 not sure
picture 4 working as intended
1st image: i only see this on kodiak.
2 and 3 are to show the "keep clear" decal despairing depending on the position.
4 i did post in another tread that one marine can climb up and you fixed this. I considered you wanted this to be the same for this version. So sniper pistol it is.
@Hugh I'm glad Unknown Worlds has committed to at least one DLC. Just looking at the energy diverted from the SCC alone, I'm sure the effort on UW's side has been considerable.
Advertisement on this DLC isn't at the same level as the other releases, I hope everyone is helping spread the word. I understand the sentiment of some here, but I hope people are realistic enough to see UW breaking even on this would drive further community patches.
It raises awareness. If people stop complaining about it it is more likely to be forgotten.
And I'm not trying to insult your memory here - it's just that if people don't complain about it, better fix the more important stuff first, right?
Nobody needs to be reminded that this bug needs to be fixed. It's pretty obvious that it needs to be fixed, and it's not going to be forgotten.
EDIT: sorry for double post
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edited May 2014
While people have expressed that they want to send me 100% of the dlc money, I will not accept it. Please just get the DLC via steam.
Main two reasons why
1, I was not the only person involved in the creation of this patch. UWE provided the DLC Skins (Rantoloy) while Samusdroid toiled for many hours slaving over the code to get everything working. Without either of these, the patch would never of happend. Not only that UWE provided a lot of background work that has not been mentioned here to get this working.Then there are the fixes and contributions from the likes of Mendasp and others. Plus all the hardwork done by my fellow playtesters!!!
2, Should I end up getting a decent amount of money via PP and not via steam / UWE, it increases the chances that OTHER community members will NOT get the opportunity I have been given and I would rather others be given the chance to follow.
While people have expressed that they want to send me 100% of the dlc money, I will not accept it. Please just get the DLC via steam.
Main two reasons why
1, I was not the only person involved in the creation of this patch. UWE provided the DLC Skins (Rantoloy) while Samusdroid toiled for many hours slaving over the code to get everything working. Without either of these, the patch would never of happend. Not only that UWE provided a lot of background work that has not been mentioned here to get this working.Then there are the fixes and contributions from the likes of Mendasp and others. Plus all the hardwork done by my fellow playtesters!!!
2, Should I end up getting a decent amount of money via PP and not via steam / UWE, it increases the chances that OTHER community members will NOT get the opportunity I have been given and I would rather others be given the chance to follow.
Damn, people who play this game are so nice. It puts a tear in my eye. I have often wondered why that is, could it be it (NS2) is such a team focused game, that those who love it and stick with it are less selfish people? I feel a connection to people that play this game like no other game I own and play.
Confirming that the customization option does not appear in NS2+ servers (presumably, it is overridden by the NS2+ menu). Wouldn't be a problem if it was accessible outside the game though.
Confirming that the customization option does not appear in NS2+ servers (presumably, it is overridden by the NS2+ menu). Wouldn't be a problem if it was accessible outside the game though.
NS2+ does not override the menu like you might be thinking it does, I only insert my option in the middle without touching anything else that was already there. What server was this on? What mods did it have? I can tell you I am 100% sure it's not NS2+ causing that.
Here's a screenshot I just took:
And here's one I found in my Steam friends' activity feed:
Edit: I did a search on my Appdata Workshop folder and there is ONE mod overwriting the main menu file, and that is the REALLY OLD AND OUTDATED Player Badges mod by Huze, if you want player badges on your server you need to use Badges+ which is the newest (and forward-compatible) version of the mod. If you know which server this happened on, please try to contact the server admin about it so he can correct it.
This is why you should avoid putting the blame on a single mod when a server is running multiple, at least list all the mods the server is running so we can pin down which one is responsible. It is specially annoying for me since I put so much effort in making sure my mod is compatible no matter what is running on the server or what has changed in NS2...
And here's a list of servers I could find running the outdated mod:
Ross154: Hot n00b on n00b action!
Gorge Busters - Who You Gonna Call?
ePeenGaming.com Training House
ePeenGaming.com-The Faded Mod
8bitgamers.co.uk
NSL Match - Paris [NS2-Fr.com Hosted]
Edit2: Added a warning message to NS2+ about this, so I suppose it's a matter of time until this corrects itself.
If you walk up to a rock as a marine with that grassy ground cover on it and get your weapon as close to it as possible, it becomes transparent! Ooooh!
Has anyone noticed that there seams to be a server crash that only occurs on biodome. I have seen that the server has often crashed since the latest patch and it is always while on that map.
I have noticed more crashes since the update. Might be a coincidence though. It can happen in the middle of a round or on map change. I know some crashes are to be expected but one of my regular servers just crashed three times in 30 minutes. That's not normal.
I have noticed more crashes since the update. Might be a coincidence though. It can happen in the middle of a round or on map change. I know some crashes are to be expected but one of my regular servers just crashed three times in 30 minutes. That's not normal.
I also had more crashes first + the issue that my server was unable to load kodiak. I found out that somehow due to the high load of steam when i updated the server alot model files got corrupted.
After validating all the server files the number of crashs is now pretty low ( even lower than before the patch ).
For me it is just biodome so maybe I will try to run a validation to see that everything is good but if something was wrong I would expect it to be every time that map is played instead of just sometimes.
I need server logs from any server admins who can provide them. PM on the forums with a link to the logs
The logs i could provide are not really helpfull just ending after maploading done or in the middle of a match. Segfault analyzes of the crashdumps also were never helpfull for me. So can't help you sry
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Get real. It's marketed like that because it sounds cool. In the western world basically every advertisement is overkill. Yet nobody tries to get wings from redbull jumping out of a plane without a parachute. Except Travis Pastrana, but still.
Everyone is well enough capable to figure out the armor isn't really pay to win. Counting on that, UWE is able to use big words without deceiving anyone.
@meatmachine
If I awesome you would that be a circle jerk? :-)
It would be awesome if you could get something recorded. I would buy a copy on itunes. Better yet, if you could included with the next DLC and give half to @SamusDroid , I would get 2 copies. One for me and one to give away.
I wouldn't bet on it - it's hard to map if you're on perma-vacation burning all your map-money
@unclecrunch Not quite sure what each picture is, no idea as to the bug in the first picture
the second one i guess you mean those walls visible to commander?
picture 3 not sure
picture 4 working as intended
If Unknown Worlds had done nothing but publish a build, then this would be an understandable sentiment. Unfortunately, the cost to Unknown Worlds of producing the Kodiak Update is very high, and so high relative to the revenue likely to be generated by DLC sales that it is no certainty that Unknown Worlds can continue Natural Selection 2 development further. I say 'unfortunately' because I, and everyone else at Unknown Worlds, would very much like Natural Selection 2 development to continue in perpetuity. Nothing is free, and Unknown Worlds cannot wish updates into existence.
1st image: i only see this on kodiak.
2 and 3 are to show the "keep clear" decal despairing depending on the position.
4 i did post in another tread that one marine can climb up and you fixed this. I considered you wanted this to be the same for this version. So sniper pistol it is.
Advertisement on this DLC isn't at the same level as the other releases, I hope everyone is helping spread the word. I understand the sentiment of some here, but I hope people are realistic enough to see UW breaking even on this would drive further community patches.
No, but you can send him money through Paypal
Nobody needs to be reminded that this bug needs to be fixed. It's pretty obvious that it needs to be fixed, and it's not going to be forgotten.
EDIT: sorry for double post
Main two reasons why
1, I was not the only person involved in the creation of this patch.
UWE provided the DLC Skins (Rantoloy) while Samusdroid toiled for many hours slaving over the code to get everything working. Without either of these, the patch would never of happend. Not only that UWE provided a lot of background work that has not been mentioned here to get this working.Then there are the fixes and contributions from the likes of Mendasp and others. Plus all the hardwork done by my fellow playtesters!!!
2, Should I end up getting a decent amount of money via PP and not via steam / UWE, it increases the chances that OTHER community members will NOT get the opportunity I have been given and I would rather others be given the chance to follow.
Damn, people who play this game are so nice. It puts a tear in my eye. I have often wondered why that is, could it be it (NS2) is such a team focused game, that those who love it and stick with it are less selfish people? I feel a connection to people that play this game like no other game I own and play.
Good job Loki, keep up the good work.
fixed
Here's a screenshot I just took:
And here's one I found in my Steam friends' activity feed:
Edit: I did a search on my Appdata Workshop folder and there is ONE mod overwriting the main menu file, and that is the REALLY OLD AND OUTDATED Player Badges mod by Huze, if you want player badges on your server you need to use Badges+ which is the newest (and forward-compatible) version of the mod. If you know which server this happened on, please try to contact the server admin about it so he can correct it.
This is why you should avoid putting the blame on a single mod when a server is running multiple, at least list all the mods the server is running so we can pin down which one is responsible. It is specially annoying for me since I put so much effort in making sure my mod is compatible no matter what is running on the server or what has changed in NS2...
And here's a list of servers I could find running the outdated mod:
Ross154: Hot n00b on n00b action!
Gorge Busters - Who You Gonna Call?
ePeenGaming.com Training House
ePeenGaming.com-The Faded Mod
8bitgamers.co.uk
NSL Match - Paris [NS2-Fr.com Hosted]
Edit2: Added a warning message to NS2+ about this, so I suppose it's a matter of time until this corrects itself.
I will post the full round on in the SCC thread, but here is a short taster of the action:
Please note, the person screaming for help is not me... the timing of their plea's are pretty good though
I also had more crashes first + the issue that my server was unable to load kodiak. I found out that somehow due to the high load of steam when i updated the server alot model files got corrupted.
After validating all the server files the number of crashs is now pretty low ( even lower than before the patch ).
Also, Kodiak runs really bad once the mid-game starts to roll around. I don't even bother and just drop when it rotates in.
The logs i could provide are not really helpfull just ending after maploading done or in the middle of a match. Segfault analyzes of the crashdumps also were never helpfull for me. So can't help you sry