ns2_fusion

MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
edited April 29 in Mapping
I've finally got my next map playable - ns2_fusion
It's a relatively small, simple map, but I'd love to get some feedback on how it plays.

Workshop link: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=178964086

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  • FlaterectomyFlaterectomy Netherlandistan Join Date: 2005-02-03 Member: 39643Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 938 Advanced user
    Ooh, interesting! I see you like curves. ;) Unfortunately I can't give feedback based on the actual map right now as I don't have access to a computer with NS2, but the screenshots prompt two things:

    - Lines of sight seem pretty long in the 2nd, 4th, and 5th screenshots.
    - The spread of RTs on the layout; the north-eastern TP and western TP seem to have two close RTs, while the south-western TP and eastern TP just have one?

    Looking forward to having an in game look once I get home.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    edited July 2013
    - The spread of RTs on the layout; the north-eastern TP and western TP seem to have two close RTs, while the south-western TP and eastern TP just have one?

    doh, I forgot to mark one of the nodes. the empty room in the bottom left of the map actually has a node in it.

    [EDIT] Layout updated
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  • ObliviousSightObliviousSight Join Date: 2012-09-07 Member: 158306Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 160 Fully active user
    Well, we spoted this on the workshop last night and thought we would give it a go.

    Firstly, you're a mad man! All that complex geo... Sadist :D It looks really good and I'm looking forward already to seeing where you take the level in the future.

    My (tentative) first impressions are that the level is a little on the small side. Distances between rts and techpoints just seem slightly too short. I haven't run the timings on it yet, though I may get around to doing some for fusion and others soon. However this did lead to a very action packed game, with alot of frantic communication and scrambling to deal with threats.

    Some of the corridors are a bit narrow in places as well, armoury blocking could become an issue, though it wasn't one we came arcoss last night. It also meant that GLs were rather powerful as it left little room to avoid grenades when trying to assault the marine main. FT could also have a similar issue I feel, though again not one that we encountered.

    Alot of the rooms were interesting to fight it, and I particularly like the variance and use of vertical space, with the western techpoint (I forget the name) being a strong example. Though we found that both teams had some issues assaulting that particular techpoint, in part due to having to attack 'uphill'. Could become a problem, but after only one game on it I would hesitate to say so.

    At the res node directly east from that western techpoint, there is a dead end to the north. I found myself often diving down it as an alien when trying to retreat. I did notice others were doing the same. It seems slightly redundant I must say. Perhaps if it were slightly darker down there and the corridor that meets it was slightly better lit, there could be less confusion. Or maybe don't make it quite as deep? Just a couple of ideas really.

    Marine spawn had a turtle problem we found, until we found the third way from the south into the marine base that is. One exo was able to cover both northern entrances quite well, and combine that with other marines focusing on them as well it was very difficult to break in. However, once we were able to get a foothold at the entrance to the south the marine base fell shortly after. As an aside, the curved geo really helps with bouncing grenades around corners and extends GL range quite considerably.

    I feel that alien spawn might be too open, though no marines made it that far in our game so I don't have any evidence of this. But should marines make it inside, aliens will have one hell of a job getting them out again. Alien spawn might be too well lit, I believe somebody mentioned that last night, as well as some fps drops in there. That could be an occlusion issue or perhaps a result of the heavy amounts of complex geo.

    You may want to add preplaced infantry portals as when I first tested the map on a listen server the ip was spawning in the south eastern curved corridor, which would mean marines would have to travel just to be able to get into their base and defend it.

    The area surrounding the marine base could have too many routes as well, as aliens it was very easy to flank marines attempting to leave their base and trying to establish a foot hold at their expansion RTs. Is the map fixed spawns? I ask because it could be interesting to swap the starting positions over and see what happens then.

    All in all, I really enjoyed playing fusion, think it has some serious potential and I look forward to playing it some more.
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  • killer monkeykiller monkey Join Date: 2010-02-26 Member: 70743Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 574 Advanced user
    You should make the map bigger, as of now the map is very hectic from all the constant fighting
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver Posts: 4,381 Advanced user
    I must admit I do like the curves, bends and general look of the map.


    IN GENERAL
    * to small, very very very to small.
    * to many entryways in the tech points, especially on a small map.
    * hallways to long.
    * due to map size obs coverage is to great.
    * there is room around hive for structures. (behind it)


    UNLOADING
    * power node is real close to hive spot
    * from corridor3 to this hive seems very marine friendly. Long corridors, close by powernode,

    fast run to GL hive range.

    STORAGE ACCESS
    * high route is easy to camp.
    * different heights unfortunately work crap in ns2 on most comm views. (I didnt comm this myself yet, so lets keep this in the grey area)

    VISTA
    - like the tube vent

    OBSERVATION
    * Open, long ways for range, ideal for marines. Aliens can be gunned down easy.Combine with

    turnip and its a very long open area to advance in for marines.

    * dents in transfer are ideal to make vents.
    * passage, rt. get stuck when you run around as skulk.



    All on all the map itself has potential but its limited size, for me, kinda ruins the experience. This map will become marine favored heavily when skilllevel goes up as so much is open and long.
    Interesting to see the next version of this map. :)
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    I should mention that I'm working on the next version. So far:
    - Doubled in size
    - Complete rebuild of Server node & Unloading tech point
    - Vents
    -- Around the top side of Transition
    -- From the right end of Transition to the bottom of Turnip
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver Posts: 4,381 Advanced user
    the size was the biggest one so good call.
    I would still check your tech points. No building around it in the one I saw.
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    Something I'm playing with :)

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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    Oh and as requested, I've made the map a bit bigger

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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    *bump*

    I've released a new build of ns2_fusion, it's up on the workshop: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=164186779

    I'll post some screenshots tomorrow. Any feedback would be awesome.
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  • LokiLoki Join Date: 2012-07-07 Member: 153973Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 563 mod
    had a look round loving the new layout. There is a hole here
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  • ritualsacrificeritualsacrifice Join Date: 2012-11-14 Member: 171148Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 708 Fully active user
    edited August 2013
    Looks like an awful lot of narrow hallways with long LOS..
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    @Lokee I hate missing blatant holes like that -_-

    @ritualsacrifice If you have the time could you highlight the hallways that concern you the most?
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  • ritualsacrificeritualsacrifice Join Date: 2012-11-14 Member: 171148Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 708 Fully active user
    It's less about individual hallways and more about just how many hallways there are. As long as they aren't too narrow and have stuff to break LOS (boxes, height variations, columns, etc) it should be fine. Hallways are typically marine favored areas, and if you have too many hallways with long LOS the map can become marine favored. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a map that favors marines over aliens.. but a map that's marine favored because it's easy to for marines to kill aliens, is probably not a very fun map to be an alien on xD
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    loving the new build plays so much better now ! espc the gorge slide !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Has anyone found the secret room yet? :3
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    edited September 2013
    I've had a few people mention that the map is a bit too marine friendly, so I'm half thinking of adding a 5th tech point to the top-center of the map. Between the reactor in Observation and the tanks in Storage.

    Here's a room concept that I'm playing with atm:

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    The tech point itself would be on the left side. In a catwalked area on top of the pipes.
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  • AichmanAichman Join Date: 2003-11-13 Member: 22782Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 47
    Looks great, nice concept, don't care about map being to marine right now, those large corridors without any cover, and the light in some places give too much advantage to marines, but that is a standard issue with greybox maps.

    By the way I love those corridors linked with the cave room between crevice and cascade.
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    edited September 2013
    I've published a new version onto the Workshop.

    There are some small fixes throughout the map. I've fixed some LoS issues and shuffled some nodes about a bit. But the main change is an entirely new Observation tech point. The previous version was flat and far too open. I think the new version is a bit better:

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    There's a vent into the main Transfer vent directly above this corner. The entrance to the tech point is up to the right.

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    It's not too obvious, but there are still two entrances to the tech point. The Crevice entrance and the Transfer tech point meet (but there are still obstacles and LoS blocks) just as they enter the room.
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  • ObliviousSightObliviousSight Join Date: 2012-09-07 Member: 158306Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 160 Fully active user
    Well, tried to get fusion to run on a listen server so I could take a look around, but the mod is listed as unavailable while updating to the new version. I guess this is either down to workshop or the new file is set to private.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    edited September 2013
    It's the workshop. It's been published publicly. But for some reason, as of yesterday, I get an error whenever I try to download it.
    Error: Couldn't download mod 'ns2_fusion' (error code: 2)
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    I'm playing with and trying to fix this workshop error. I've taken fusion down from the workshop. When it gets back up it'll probably have a different modID
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    edited September 2013
    Fusion is up and working again :D

    [EDIT] and here it is on the workshop http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=178964086

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  • VetinariVetinari Join Date: 2013-07-23 Member: 186325Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver Posts: 3,442 Advanced user
    Just played a game on this. The geometry is plain awesome. This map is a masterpiece.
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  • FlaterectomyFlaterectomy Netherlandistan Join Date: 2005-02-03 Member: 39643Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 938 Advanced user
    I tried organizing a playtest on Fusion on the SCC server tonight, but with people leaving the teams as we played we unfortunately couldn't get a proper game going. I'll try to organize one again tomorrow.

    In the meantime, and in order to at least provide some feedback, I noticed a lot of geometry on the ceilings and above doorways that should probably be CommanderInvisible. Here's a pick:

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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    Just played a game on this. The geometry is plain awesome. This map is a masterpiece.
    :o
    I tried organizing a playtest on Fusion on the SCC server tonight, but with people leaving the teams as we played we unfortunately couldn't get a proper game going. I'll try to organize one again tomorrow.

    In the meantime, and in order to at least provide some feedback, I noticed a lot of geometry on the ceilings and above doorways that should probably be CommanderInvisible.
    Thanks for organising the game and for the screenshots. CommanderInvisible is something I definitely need to do. Unfortunately I don't think I'll have time to have it done in time for your next test today/tomorrow (hooray for time-zones).

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  • FlaterectomyFlaterectomy Netherlandistan Join Date: 2005-02-03 Member: 39643Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 938 Advanced user
    We played Fusion again last night. In many places you more or less have two different ways from one room into the next, which I'm not keen on myself, but I suppose that's a style issue as it didn't seem to hamper gameplay.

    The platform in Observation next to the hive where the eggs spawn feels a bit small. If marines come and want top kill eggs they're a bit clumped together.

    And, strangely, the Approach powernode and the Storage powernode both seem to control just the Storage room. I biled the Approach powernode and it turned off the lights in Storage instead.
  • ForlornHopeForlornHope Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18675Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold Posts: 226 Fully active user
    This is a beautiful looking map. It felt fluid but completely different to other maps to play. I can't wait to see it textured and tweaked.
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 3,546 mod
    Thanks for the feedback :D
    In many places you more or less have two different ways from one room into the next
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you mean that it feels like some rooms have too many paths between them?

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  • AurOn2AurOn2 COOKIES! FREEDOM, AND BISCUITS! Australia Join Date: 2012-01-13 Member: 140224Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Forum staff Posts: 2,130 mod
    Just played a game on this. The geometry is plain awesome. This map is a masterpiece.
    AMEN
    Finaly someone else who agrees with me.

    Anyway maus you have 5 weeks to get this textured and balanced in order to get it league worthy? Up to the task?
    Oh also vents, m04r V3ntz plz.

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