Decline Of Player Quality......
skifly
Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16379Members
Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16379Members
<div class="IPBDescription">They've gotten worse</div> I didn't play NS for a few months and when I came back I got better or most of the NS population got worse. I was banned for "hacking" from 3 out of 5 servers. I haven't seen anyone who's really any good lately at all. Did something happen when beta 5 came out to make all the decent people leave?
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What with the nature of NS (rounds being decided within 3 minutes, every resource point is precious) most newbies can't really settle in; so we are left with a specialised pr0 community.
That's my excuse for my low scores of late <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For clanning, i've only seen the same names since the start of 3.0, just under different clan names. A lot of people left, and not a lot have broken through to the level of clan play, which is a bit worrying.
I'm not exactly one of the best players, but I can have my day <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ... and well, quite alot of people have left the community, I agree.
Albeit whether they are good or not, some most likely recently left to play CS:Source is one of my guesses, the introduction of NS:Combat and reduction in NS Classic servers could also be what has put them off. Someone else mentioned the 'better' and first ever clans leaving, thats another thing that could add to the decreasing number.
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ssjyoda: I cannot agree more, blockscripts kicked an already dying clan scene in the face.
I found some pretty good players and we had some good games on an NS server I don't remember. Then I joined the NS armslab server for combat, that was allot of fun. I'll admit the marine team I was with sucked horribly but hey more kills for me. The alien team was pretty good, one of the better teams I've seen.
I played on one more server and also had a good 3 games of classic, the third was a little iffy because the noob com didn't build an ip, and got ejected, other wise it wasn't bad, we did lose though.
I normally only play on 1 server so I can't really speak with authority as to the quality of NS players in general, but if last night was any representation I think the player quality is doing fine, about the same as always.
Also I would like to add that any clanner that left the NS clan scene because of blockscipts is nothing to be considered a loss to the community.
If they can't stand playing without scripts so much they must not be to great without them, good writhens and have fun with CS.
If they can't stand playing without scripts so much they must not be to great without them, good writhens and have fun with CS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe it's not the fact that they have to play without scripts, but rather the fact that if you use scripts, you are autoamtically considered 'skillless', 'noob', 'lamer', 'exploiter', 'cheater' and whatnot. And we could comment on the total ignorance on the subject by many if not most players. And do you think that people who use scripts automatically suck when scripts are blocked ?
I don't know what you mean with your reference to CS. If you use scripts, you must like CS ? And playing CS is considered a bad thing ?
I have been hoping more skilled ppl would join.
As for blockscripts go, it's really not what is killing the clan scene, it is the lack of people taking part in the entire scene that is hurting. If their where more clans that would participate it would be so much better. I personally dont mind if scripts are on or off.
Like the game? Have friends that play? Make a clan, it's the most enjoyable thing to do in ns...it's what has kept me playing. You get the crud kicked out of you for quite a while, but if you stay with it you can only get better! And alot of people do not want to put the time and effort it takes in to improve they usually just do not bother.
If they can't stand playing without scripts so much they must not be to great without them, good writhens and have fun with CS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe it's not the fact that they have to play without scripts, but rather the fact that if you use scripts, you are autoamtically considered 'skillless', 'noob', 'lamer', 'exploiter', 'cheater' and whatnot. And we could comment on the total ignorance on the subject by many if not most players. And do you think that people who use scripts automatically suck when scripts are blocked ?
I don't know what you mean with your reference to CS. If you use scripts, you must like CS ? And playing CS is considered a bad thing ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For one theres no need to tell them you use scripts. If they yell "OMG SCRIPT NOOB" why try and argue with them? Just tell them you don't use scripts and save yourself the hassle.
As for arguing about scripts on the forums, I guess it keeps people busy (me included). (;
Beta 5 sucks donkeyturds, it really lowered the quality of NaturalSelection. Plus, the hitboxes suck.<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>THEY</span><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>SUCK</span></span>
on NS_Hera one night, I had 6 of the 8 marines under my command ask me how to get in the jeep... all of them while standing around the command chair... 0o
Then 4 of them asked how to buy weapons (aight, I understand that) so I told em I have to do it for em
1 asked why there was no scanner sweep... okay, okay... I understand
but then 6 of them wanted to know how to build... it was then I realized OMG... Co doesn't teach building... it's freaking USELSS!
If they can't stand playing without scripts so much they must not be to great without them, good writhens and have fun with CS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe it's not the fact that they have to play without scripts, but rather the fact that if you use scripts, you are autoamtically considered 'skillless', 'noob', 'lamer', 'exploiter', 'cheater' and whatnot. And we could comment on the total ignorance on the subject by many if not most players. And do you think that people who use scripts automatically suck when scripts are blocked ?
I don't know what you mean with your reference to CS. If you use scripts, you must like CS ? And playing CS is considered a bad thing ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol... I like the assumption he makes too, I am one of those people who NEVER have and probly never will play CS in any form, I watched a mate play it once, and it didn't appeal, I came to NS from TFC, and HLDM before that, both of which had a nicer community base, and less oppression, the players didn't call out "hax" every two mins, they would say "nice shot" or "well played". (while many in NS do this, they are sadly outweighed by the other side <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
My point is, I have scripts, none of which are blocked by blockscripts, why?! cause there is no need for the ones that it blocks. And no I wont have fun with CS as I've never had the urge to play it. (*edit* I cant get over how ignorant that comment made you sound reasa.)
And just for the record. The leap bite and blink swipe scripts I get accused of ... well lastinv in on mouse2 TBH.
But on topic, I left for a year, and when I came back I got a smack in the face. The player base on a whole has lowered, probably a side effect of popularity and steam. We all just have to live with it, and maybe stop playing public server for a while?
When I left, the clan scene was booming, and I come back, its holding onto the edge very very slimly. This can't go ignored, clans are what make a game (I know that comment will get me shot here, I only tell the truth tho). What in the hell happened to people wanting to play in clans, they are the top of the gaming "food chain". You cannot judge clans if you haven't played in them, or only spend your gaming life on community servers, which are great, dont get me wrong, but "bubble wrap" the players in plugins and such that make the game more accessable than it already is.
so true now the NS Clan sences is dead by the looks of it, few clan server's with un-easy server population it makes me sick to see NS this way.
loged on to irc for the first time sinces over a year and ran my perform..... all the rooms empty i have found 2 clans that i knew from over a year ago still active and thos only just, hell if you can call the clans atm active does CB still run a ns ladder ? i'm to scared to go look and find out as i can see it not bing there.....
the lvl of puplic play is sickening at some times NS maps hated by most thos new players who want to play ns maps don't have the skills to do, 9/10 time befor combat came out finding a good comm was hard on a public server, and now ? finding some one who knows even what the comm chair for is even rare then that.
combat was ment to be a side game somewhere for people to refine skills and just have a quick mess around, but it has killed ns people only know half of what they need to, alien skill lvl is a joke, did i say skill ? hell if thats what you can call it comments on combat servers of "i need Focus ffs i can't kill anything >.<" you need focus to kill? as a skulk ? enought said skulks rush at marines mindless 99% of the time its like whatching a back zombie move wave after wave of aliens rushing at rines not even trying to dodje the incomming fire.
still im not going to leave just yet still good people in ns and it is fun.... when you find a server with good people <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
on the contrary, i think a lot of starters that I saw six months ago became significantly better and some even joined decent clans.
Wouldn't go a far miss to seperate combat and NS installers. So NS:C and NS are two seperate games. imo.
As for the players, I think you have an unrealistic view of how it used to be. Most pub players(in ANY game, not just NS) just play for themselves; can you blame them when they're playing on a server of randomly assorted strangers? Playing in an atmosphere like that has always been crappy - I suppose it might not have seemed as bad in 1.04 when alien teamwork was basically pre-determined, but the playerbase hasn't gotten any worse.
It's always been that the only way to get the most out of the game is to pick a decent server and stick to it. The reason pub servers suck is because everybody who knows their stuff has already done that... There's nothing special about this game that makes it this way; the only difference is that it's much more noticable when your team messes up then in a deathmatch game like Counter-Strike.
Beta 5 sucks donkeyturds, it really lowered the quality of NaturalSelection. Plus, the hitboxes suck.<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>THEY</span><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>SUCK</span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Spoken like a member of the veteran program! haha
I firmly believe that the community got hooked on Co and left classic to die... and when those Co players go to play classic they just leave because they have to worry about resources and trying to stay alive where i Co nothing matters.
agreed, nobody cares about OBJ in that...
Back on Topic
one thing i really noticed, is that... nobody says "GG" anymore...
it is near impossable to find populated NS only servers (with a ping lower than 100 and is not full)
You might want to turn off is not full and let steam auto-retry for you. I enjoy The Lunixmonster if you're looking for a decent ns mostly server.
As for the players, I think you have an unrealistic view of how it used to be. Most pub players(in ANY game, not just NS) just play for themselves; can you blame them when they're playing on a server of randomly assorted strangers? Playing in an atmosphere like that has always been crappy - I suppose it might not have seemed as bad in 1.04 when alien teamwork was basically pre-determined, but the playerbase hasn't gotten any worse.
It's always been that the only way to get the most out of the game is to pick a decent server and stick to it. The reason pub servers suck is because everybody who knows their stuff has already done that... There's nothing special about this game that makes it this way; the only difference is that it's much more noticable when your team messes up then in a deathmatch game like Counter-Strike. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, i understand that clanners leave and clanners come
but we leave and no one takes our place -- no one understands the game like the guys who have played CAL in the past 4 seasons
If they can't stand playing without scripts so much they must not be to great without them, good writhens and have fun with CS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe it's not the fact that they have to play without scripts, but rather the fact that if you use scripts, you are autoamtically considered 'skillless', 'noob', 'lamer', 'exploiter', 'cheater' and whatnot. And we could comment on the total ignorance on the subject by many if not most players. And do you think that people who use scripts automatically suck when scripts are blocked ?
I don't know what you mean with your reference to CS. If you use scripts, you must like CS ? And playing CS is considered a bad thing ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would guess that at very least your average script kiddie is a reasonably competent player even without scripts... I mean part of the pro script argument is that they really don't make THAT much of a difference, and asside from 3jump and pistol scripts that is pretty much true...
[edit] I just wanted to add that I think overall player quality is hard to measure on an totalitarian scale, because it changes so much so quickly for every individual server.