<!--QuoteBegin-comrade+Jan 17 2005, 11:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comrade @ Jan 17 2005, 11:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, here's a secret about leap-skulking:
Press three.
Leap.
Press one or lastinv.
Bite.
Holy **** you just bit that marine! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not quite secret though. As I said previously, that's exactly how I currently do a leapbite and and fadeswipe.
I prefer lastinv myself, which I have bound to q.
Again, don't mistake my low post count for me being new to the game.
Holy **** you just bit that marine! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not quite secret though. As I said previously, that's exactly how I currently do a leapbite and and fadeswipe.
I prefer lastinv myself, which I have bound to q.
Again, don't mistake my low post count for me being new to the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't mistake your low postcount, I mistook you for being new to the game because you think a script makes this any easier or better.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caleb+Jan 17 2005, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caleb @ Jan 17 2005, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> on that note, i do feel the 'aliens' shouldnt have to 'switch weapons' to use what is considered appendages. is there some way to code it so that by default a button press instantly does an attack? *i.e. button X = bite, button Y = parasite, button Z = leap, ect*.
so far, the only way i know to do that is with scripts, and with BS, well, its less like playing a wild biological creature and more like playing a marine with melee weapons and faster movements..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe that bitegun is the bind for biting. I use my number keys to select them, but I agree 100% with your view.
As a skulk, fire should always bite and leap vs normal jump should be a toggle. This would almost negate the need for scripts. Alt-fire is underutilized in NS as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not only that, but I found it SO MUCH better using the script that I felt guilty about it.
As long as you blink into the person, which means aiming directly at them, you will be stopped when the models collide and the swipe will ALWAYS hit. Then you blink out and repeat after getting your energy back. I've used Hud_fastswitch since it was available in HL Deathmatch. It's MUCH more useful in NS because of the lack of multiple weapons for a slot. (unless you count welder/knife)
For an hour, I was an unholy terror with this script as a skulk. (I almost always play a superskulk rather than fade or Onos) When I tried it as a fade, I was just as successful, but was able to loiter and do damage for a longer time.
You might want to re-work your definition of impossible as it's probably based on fairly strict expectations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd like to know what server you became an 'unholy terror' on. The problem with a blink-swipe script is easily defined in your post: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As long as you blink into the person,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You might not have realized this, but doing so puts you RIGHT into their crosshairs <i>for a longer period of time than a good manual blink/swipe would!</i> Any marine with a shotgun or HMG would have additional time to put more lead into you and you stand a much higher chance of dying. TBH it just sounds like the marines couldn't aim.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caleb+Jan 17 2005, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caleb @ Jan 17 2005, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> on that note, i do feel the 'aliens' shouldnt have to 'switch weapons' to use what is considered appendages. is there some way to code it so that by default a button press instantly does an attack? *i.e. button X = bite, button Y = parasite, button Z = leap, ect*.
so far, the only way i know to do that is with scripts, and with BS, well, its less like playing a wild biological creature and more like playing a marine with melee weapons and faster movements..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Give me a few moments - I'll whip something up for you. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Here ya go! <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->//Quick Parasite script //This script will bring up the parasite crosshairs when it is pressed down, and fires //a parasite when released. Then it switches back to bite. alias "w2" "wait; wait" alias +para "weapon_parasite" alias -para "+attack; wait; -attack; w2; weapon_bitegun" bind "Key" "+para"
//Quickleap script //This script switches to leap, leaps, and then switches to bite when you are a skulk. You still //have to bite manually, but this gives you much more control than a standard leap-bite script. alias quickleap "weapon_leap; w2; +attack; wait; -attack; w2; weapon_bitegun" bind "key" "quickleap"
//XenoLeap Script //This script lets you push a button to switch to Xeno, then release it to trigger xeno and //switches to leap. If you don't want to use Xeno, just swap to another weapon while //holding the selected key down and you won't blow yourself up. alias +xenoleap "weapon_divinewind" alias -xenoleap "+attack; w2; -attack; wait; weapon_leap" bind "Key" "+xenoleap"<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
With these scripts, you can keep your attack set to bite all the time. When you use the parasite/leap scripts, it will swap back to bite when the script is done. The xenoleap script swaps to leap instead, because most people want to leap right after triggering xeno in order to get to a pack of marines. If you want it to swap back to bite and use the quickleap script, just change the last line of it to read weapon_bitegun instead of weapon_leap.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
OH NO PLEASE STOP OWNING UP THE WHOLE WORLD WITH YOUR LEAP/BITE SCRIPT )))))))))))))))):
PS: I'm actually curious about this. Guardian1, would you mind if I ask you to post a demo to demonstrate how much easier it is to play with a leap-bite script ?
PPS: Alternate fire is not underused in NS, because it simply doesn't exist.
I don't think this topic is really about scripts, but the decline of Player Quality rather. But guess I'll play along...
Like I had stated in another thread recently, I think one can do just as well (if not better) without the use of any scripts. It really isn't hard to number 3, press click, number 1 and click again. My left hand is used to switching weapons fast using the 1-4 keys anyhow, and it isn't hard clicking 10 times to shoot pistol fast either. I dislike how people always end up modifying games or resorting to some sort of scripts or the other to improve their personal performance. Having developed mods myself, I know it's annoying seeing users make mockery of your code by finding an exploit JUST to perform better themselves and not report it ever. Sigh, oh well -_-.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
Do you think I have to resort to scripting to compensate for my lack of skill, because I use a +3jump script instead of using the mouse wheel ?
Scripting isn't really about improving your performance, it's more customizing your controls to your liking, thus allowing you to perform better (since you feel comfortable with your setup).
thanks. ill give it a try. dunno much on using scripts, but i can research that easily enough. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In fact, it seems that if something as simple as a grenade goes off and kills and alien, what do you hear FIRST thing:
"WTH?"
or the infamous
"OMG!"
What is with these kids nowadays? You died. So what? No one wants to hear. I also got a nasty case with one guy who killed me when I was marine as a skulk. My back was turned, so he just bit me twice and I died. No big deal for me. I'll just respawn. But no, he has to go further than that. Hes gotta jump in and say:
"PWNED!"
Oh wow. You killed a marine with his back turned. I told him that it wasn't really a huge achievement, and he told me to "SUYF. Grow up, n00b". Oddly enough, at the end of the round, my kills were 3 times his. After I killed him for a 5th time he left the game. (like a whiney jerk)
I got to play one game today that was jerk-free, luckily, and I commanded and won. There was no "WTH" or "OMG" or "PWNED" going on. Just "nice shot" and "wow, that was cool" and also some "good job". Aliens complimented marines for killing 4 of them with 1 grenade.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caleb+Jan 17 2005, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caleb @ Jan 17 2005, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> thanks. ill give it a try. dunno much on using scripts, but i can research that easily enough. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is the kind of attitude 99% of the NS community is lacking.
Holy **** you just bit that marine! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not quite secret though. As I said previously, that's exactly how I currently do a leapbite and and fadeswipe.
I prefer lastinv myself, which I have bound to q.
Again, don't mistake my low post count for me being new to the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't mistake your low postcount, I mistook you for being new to the game because you think a script makes this any easier or better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, your "clever" dig at me to call me a newbie without calling me a n00b.
Amazing how rude people can be because they think your skill is below them. If anything the majority of "scripters" I've seen have definitely had a severe lack of manners.
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 17 2005, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 17 2005, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OH NO PLEASE STOP OWNING UP THE WHOLE WORLD WITH YOUR LEAP/BITE SCRIPT )))))))))))))))):
PS: I'm actually curious about this. Guardian1, would you mind if I ask you to post a demo to demonstrate how much easier it is to play with a leap-bite script ?
PPS: Alternate fire is not underused in NS, because it simply doesn't exist. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just picked a server with a low ping and jumped on.
And no, I don't feel the need to post a demo that would allow everyone to comment on my lack of skills. Have I asked anyone to post a demo on how to do it right? No. Because that's not what it's about.
The bottom line is that I found the leapbite and fadeswipe scripts to be so much better than ME manually doing it, I felt like I was cheating.
I'm not interested in how much better you are at leapbiting or how wrong I'm doing it. I believe I've hijacked this thread enough.
The scripting debate will continue in the scripting forum I suppose.
I don't believe the the player quality has declined rather than it has expanded because of all the new folks joining the game. It will take them time to get to the quality of the people who have been playing it longer.
<!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 01:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Amazing how rude people can be because they think your skill is below them. If anything the majority of "scripters" I've seen have definitely had a severe lack of manners. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've seen just as many rude non-scripters as I have scripters. Please stop stereotyping all scripters, and we might just be able to keep this discussion civil.
<!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The scripting debate will continue in the scripting forum I suppose.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> /me looks at NemesisZero
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 17 2005, 02:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 17 2005, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm actually curious about this. Guardian1, would you mind if I ask you to post a demo to demonstrate how much easier it is to play with a leap-bite script ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please do me a favor and teach me /:
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 17 2005, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 17 2005, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you think I have to resort to scripting to compensate for my lack of skill, because I use a +3jump script instead of using the mouse wheel ?
Scripting isn't really about improving your performance, it's more customizing your controls to your liking, thus allowing you to perform better (since you feel comfortable with your setup).
How are scripts and exploits related ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm going to have to defer the answer to the scripting forum when/if it is created.
<!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 03:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 17 2005, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 17 2005, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you think I have to resort to scripting to compensate for my lack of skill, because I use a +3jump script instead of using the mouse wheel ?
Scripting isn't really about improving your performance, it's more customizing your controls to your liking, thus allowing you to perform better (since you feel comfortable with your setup).
How are scripts and exploits related ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm going to have to defer the answer to the scripting forum when/if it is created. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *waits for one of the mods to notice the subtle hint*
leet pro clanners don't play pub, or don't play at all. The first few weeks of beta6, most of the clanners will play pubs for a while... longer I hope. Atm there is a very low amount of higly skilled and experienced people playing pubs... we're all just bored of the sameold sameold.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jan 17 2005, 01:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jan 17 2005, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 01:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Amazing how rude people can be because they think your skill is below them. If anything the majority of "scripters" I've seen have definitely had a severe lack of manners. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've seen just as many rude non-scripters as I have scripters. Please stop stereotyping all scripters, and we might just be able to keep this discussion civil. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Now you're picking nits. Semantics... Let me make bold, the important parts.
I SAID, "If anything the <b>majority</b> of "scripters" <b>I've seen</b> have definitely had a severe lack of manners."
Did I say that all scripters were rude? No. The <b>majority</b> of scripters <b>I have seen</b> have a severe lack of manners.
I can repeat it again, but I don't think that it's necessary. If I was stereotyping, I would have said, "All scripters have had a severe lack of manners."
Please stop trying to turn the discussion into something personal. I'm not insulting you (directly). You don't need to defend yourself or ALL scripters. If you want to defend the rude ones I've seen, go ahead, but good luck.
There are rude people about and people in forums say things they wouldn't normally say because of the anonymity the forums confer. I'd suspect that many people here would be polite in person, but I suspect that many are also rude teens and pre-teens that have a lack of social etiquette which prevents them being polite. I'll try not to turn it into a social commentary though, because as opinionated as I am about scripting, I've got a passion for discussing how parents raise their children.
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 17 2005, 01:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 17 2005, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why wait? I don't think this forums purpose will be to argue whether scripting is good or bad. Or maybe there will be a "Script b***hing" sub-forum. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wait for that forum because this thread was about the decline of player quality.
<!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The bottom line is that I found the leapbite and fadeswipe scripts to be so much better than ME manually doing it, I felt like I was cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You used a script that only works when the enemy is a certain distance away, and you feel it is better than what you can do manually? I don't think the problem is with the script, it's your lack of ability. All of your ignorant assumptions about scripts stem from your inexperience in this game. All of your complaining about scripts should really only be about the 3jump script because it is the only one that improves the player's ability. It's a good thing if it can get newbies closer to veterans by making bhop more accessible.
<!--QuoteBegin-skifly+Jan 17 2005, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skifly @ Jan 17 2005, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The bottom line is that I found the leapbite and fadeswipe scripts to be so much better than ME manually doing it, I felt like I was cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You used a script that only works when the enemy is a certain distance away, and you feel it is better than what you can do manually? I don't think the problem is with the script, it's your lack of ability. All of your ignorant assumptions about scripts stem from your inexperience in this game. All of your complaining about scripts should really only be about the 3jump script because it is the only one that improves the player's ability. It's a good thing if it can get newbies closer to veterans by making bhop more accessible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, if the originator of the thread is going to continue the scripting discussion, who am I to argue with waiting for a scripting thread?
It's funny when people tell me what I should be complaining about. You shut shut your freaking yap then.
See how that works? No body likes being told what to do. They get defensive and feel the need to respond in a similar if not aggravated way.
I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.
I also don't have assumptions about scripts. I have used them and am assuming nothing. I have working knowledge of them if only for a short time. And if you accuse lack of experience again, I'll start in with your lack of manners and reading comprehension. If you're going to go that direction, just call me a n00b and get it over with. I can take the higher road in that case.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Please stop trying to turn the discussion into something personal. I'm not insulting you (directly). You don't need to defend yourself or ALL scripters. If you want to defend the rude ones I've seen, go ahead, but good luck.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->But you are. The term majority implies that there are only a few 'nice' script-users out there; generalizing that <i>most</i> of us are bad. You're taking a few bad experiences witha few script users and making them/us sound bad. I would be willing to bet however that you don't even realize when you meet a script-user that just plays normally. Besides, how do you tell when someone is using a script anyway? Unless they tell you, you can't.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm sorry if you have a medical condition that prevents you from hitting keys accurately, but then I don't think you're in much of a position to argue against scripts. The only reason you think they help is because you lack the dexterity to do so manually. If you could do them on your own I think you could see both sides of the issue; as is, you only see the 'scripts make you better' side.
Have you tried alternate solutions? Try binding the keys to your mouse buttons. Try buying a special keyboard (perhaps one with large keys, or one with keys that are easier to press, etc.) If you do seriously put an effort into practicing your leap-bite and blink-swipe skills I believe you could surprise yourself with your own capabilities.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jan 17 2005, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jan 17 2005, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Please stop trying to turn the discussion into something personal. I'm not insulting you (directly). You don't need to defend yourself or ALL scripters. If you want to defend the rude ones I've seen, go ahead, but good luck.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->But you are. The term majority implies that there are only a few 'nice' script-users out there; generalizing that <i>most</i> of us are bad. You're taking a few bad experiences witha few script users and making them/us sound bad. I would be willing to bet however that you don't even realize when you meet a script-user that just plays normally. Besides, how do you tell when someone is using a script anyway? Unless they tell you, you can't.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm sorry if you have a medical condition that prevents you from hitting keys accurately, but then I don't think you're in much of a position to argue against scripts. The only reason you think they help is because you lack the dexterity to do so manually. If you could do them on your own I think you could see both sides of the issue; as is, you only see the 'scripts make you better' side.
Have you tried alternate solutions? Try binding the keys to your mouse buttons. Try buying a special keyboard (perhaps one with large keys, or one with keys that are easier to press, etc.) If you do seriously put an effort into practicing your leap-bite and blink-swipe skills I believe you could surprise yourself with your own capabilities. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Keep in mind that I'm not basing my experiences on playing with scripters, I'm basing my experience on scripters in the forums, and I certainly don't think that these scripters are ALL the scripters there are. In order for it to be a stereotype, I have to portray all scripters as rude or lacking manners. I don't do that. I relate my personal experience with the majority of scripters.
And it's not like I don't have palsy... I occasionally flub the keys when switching quickly. It means that I'm human and I'm not a spring chicken anymore.
The argument has been made multiple times that it doesn't make you better, but it seems like a lot of people are fighting mad over the mp_blockscripts and when anyone even mentions scripting and skill in the same sentence, they go off the handle. Easier = Better, right? If I'm wrong, then I must be living in bizarro world where everything is backwards.
My argument is that scripting makes playing the game easier. I'll concede that I can never successfully argue that scripting makes up for skill, because it's subjective to the individual, but I can't see why people can argue that it doesn't make the game easier, hence require less skill to play.
I could go out on a limb and connect scripting with the influx of new people, which, oddly enough, is the reason for this original thread, and the apparent decline of player quality.
<!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 12:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 12:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-skifly+Jan 17 2005, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skifly @ Jan 17 2005, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Guardian1+Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guardian1 @ Jan 17 2005, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The bottom line is that I found the leapbite and fadeswipe scripts to be so much better than ME manually doing it, I felt like I was cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You used a script that only works when the enemy is a certain distance away, and you feel it is better than what you can do manually? I don't think the problem is with the script, it's your lack of ability. All of your ignorant assumptions about scripts stem from your inexperience in this game. All of your complaining about scripts should really only be about the 3jump script because it is the only one that improves the player's ability. It's a good thing if it can get newbies closer to veterans by making bhop more accessible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, if the originator of the thread is going to continue the scripting discussion, who am I to argue with waiting for a scripting thread?
It's funny when people tell me what I should be complaining about. You shut shut your freaking yap then.
See how that works? No body likes being told what to do. They get defensive and feel the need to respond in a similar if not aggravated way.
I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.
I also don't have assumptions about scripts. I have used them and am assuming nothing. I have working knowledge of them if only for a short time. And if you accuse lack of experience again, I'll start in with your lack of manners and reading comprehension. If you're going to go that direction, just call me a n00b and get it over with. I can take the higher road in that case. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So .. you can't leap/bite manually but using a script helps you do it better. Well then, good for you, you found a more comfortable way to play. It's no different than rebinding all your keyboard keys to your own preference.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
I perform better with customized controls. Why complain about mp_bs ? Because it removes one part of the customization possiblities. I revendicate the right to change my controls within the game limits. I don't like it when freedom is removed. Blockscripts claims to stop abusive scripts, when it clearly blocks non-abusive scripts. People should have the choice whether to script or not, but not be forced depending on what the server operator thinks.
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Press three.
Leap.
Press one or lastinv.
Bite.
Holy **** you just bit that marine! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not quite secret though. As I said previously, that's exactly how I currently do a leapbite and and fadeswipe.
I prefer lastinv myself, which I have bound to q.
Again, don't mistake my low post count for me being new to the game.
Press three.
Leap.
Press one or lastinv.
Bite.
Holy **** you just bit that marine! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not quite secret though. As I said previously, that's exactly how I currently do a leapbite and and fadeswipe.
I prefer lastinv myself, which I have bound to q.
Again, don't mistake my low post count for me being new to the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't mistake your low postcount, I mistook you for being new to the game because you think a script makes this any easier or better.
so far, the only way i know to do that is with scripts, and with BS, well, its less like playing a wild biological creature and more like playing a marine with melee weapons and faster movements..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe that bitegun is the bind for biting. I use my number keys to select them, but I agree 100% with your view.
As a skulk, fire should always bite and leap vs normal jump should be a toggle. This would almost negate the need for scripts. Alt-fire is underutilized in NS as well.
As long as you blink into the person, which means aiming directly at them, you will be stopped when the models collide and the swipe will ALWAYS hit. Then you blink out and repeat after getting your energy back. I've used Hud_fastswitch since it was available in HL Deathmatch. It's MUCH more useful in NS because of the lack of multiple weapons for a slot. (unless you count welder/knife)
For an hour, I was an unholy terror with this script as a skulk. (I almost always play a superskulk rather than fade or Onos) When I tried it as a fade, I was just as successful, but was able to loiter and do damage for a longer time.
You might want to re-work your definition of impossible as it's probably based on fairly strict expectations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to know what server you became an 'unholy terror' on. The problem with a blink-swipe script is easily defined in your post:
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You might not have realized this, but doing so puts you RIGHT into their crosshairs <i>for a longer period of time than a good manual blink/swipe would!</i> Any marine with a shotgun or HMG would have additional time to put more lead into you and you stand a much higher chance of dying. TBH it just sounds like the marines couldn't aim.
so far, the only way i know to do that is with scripts, and with BS, well, its less like playing a wild biological creature and more like playing a marine with melee weapons and faster movements..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Give me a few moments - I'll whip something up for you. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Here ya go!
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->//Quick Parasite script
//This script will bring up the parasite crosshairs when it is pressed down, and fires
//a parasite when released. Then it switches back to bite.
alias "w2" "wait; wait"
alias +para "weapon_parasite"
alias -para "+attack; wait; -attack; w2; weapon_bitegun"
bind "Key" "+para"
//Quickleap script
//This script switches to leap, leaps, and then switches to bite when you are a skulk. You still
//have to bite manually, but this gives you much more control than a standard leap-bite script.
alias quickleap "weapon_leap; w2; +attack; wait; -attack; w2; weapon_bitegun"
bind "key" "quickleap"
//XenoLeap Script
//This script lets you push a button to switch to Xeno, then release it to trigger xeno and
//switches to leap. If you don't want to use Xeno, just swap to another weapon while
//holding the selected key down and you won't blow yourself up.
alias +xenoleap "weapon_divinewind"
alias -xenoleap "+attack; w2; -attack; wait; weapon_leap"
bind "Key" "+xenoleap"<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
With these scripts, you can keep your attack set to bite all the time. When you use the parasite/leap scripts, it will swap back to bite when the script is done. The xenoleap script swaps to leap instead, because most people want to leap right after triggering xeno in order to get to a pack of marines. If you want it to swap back to bite and use the quickleap script, just change the last line of it to read weapon_bitegun instead of weapon_leap.
PS: I'm actually curious about this. Guardian1, would you mind if I ask you to post a demo to demonstrate how much easier it is to play with a leap-bite script ?
PPS: Alternate fire is not underused in NS, because it simply doesn't exist.
Like I had stated in another thread recently, I think one can do just as well (if not better) without the use of any scripts. It really isn't hard to number 3, press click, number 1 and click again. My left hand is used to switching weapons fast using the 1-4 keys anyhow, and it isn't hard clicking 10 times to shoot pistol fast either. I dislike how people always end up modifying games or resorting to some sort of scripts or the other to improve their personal performance. Having developed mods myself, I know it's annoying seeing users make mockery of your code by finding an exploit JUST to perform better themselves and not report it ever. Sigh, oh well -_-.
Scripting isn't really about improving your performance, it's more customizing your controls to your liking, thus allowing you to perform better (since you feel comfortable with your setup).
How are scripts and exploits related ?
Absolutely correct sir.
In fact, it seems that if something as simple as a grenade goes off and kills and alien, what do you hear FIRST thing:
"WTH?"
or the infamous
"OMG!"
What is with these kids nowadays? You died. So what? No one wants to hear. I also got a nasty case with one guy who killed me when I was marine as a skulk. My back was turned, so he just bit me twice and I died. No big deal for me. I'll just respawn. But no, he has to go further than that. Hes gotta jump in and say:
"PWNED!"
Oh wow. You killed a marine with his back turned. I told him that it wasn't really a huge achievement, and he told me to "SUYF. Grow up, n00b". Oddly enough, at the end of the round, my kills were 3 times his. After I killed him for a 5th time he left the game. (like a whiney jerk)
I got to play one game today that was jerk-free, luckily, and I commanded and won. There was no "WTH" or "OMG" or "PWNED" going on. Just "nice shot" and "wow, that was cool" and also some "good job". Aliens complimented marines for killing 4 of them with 1 grenade.
It was a good game.
This is the kind of attitude 99% of the NS community is lacking.
Press three.
Leap.
Press one or lastinv.
Bite.
Holy **** you just bit that marine! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not quite secret though. As I said previously, that's exactly how I currently do a leapbite and and fadeswipe.
I prefer lastinv myself, which I have bound to q.
Again, don't mistake my low post count for me being new to the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't mistake your low postcount, I mistook you for being new to the game because you think a script makes this any easier or better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, your "clever" dig at me to call me a newbie without calling me a n00b.
Amazing how rude people can be because they think your skill is below them. If anything the majority of "scripters" I've seen have definitely had a severe lack of manners.
PS: I'm actually curious about this. Guardian1, would you mind if I ask you to post a demo to demonstrate how much easier it is to play with a leap-bite script ?
PPS: Alternate fire is not underused in NS, because it simply doesn't exist. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just picked a server with a low ping and jumped on.
And no, I don't feel the need to post a demo that would allow everyone to comment on my lack of skills. Have I asked anyone to post a demo on how to do it right? No. Because that's not what it's about.
The bottom line is that I found the leapbite and fadeswipe scripts to be so much better than ME manually doing it, I felt like I was cheating.
I'm not interested in how much better you are at leapbiting or how wrong I'm doing it. I believe I've hijacked this thread enough.
The scripting debate will continue in the scripting forum I suppose.
I don't believe the the player quality has declined rather than it has expanded because of all the new folks joining the game. It will take them time to get to the quality of the people who have been playing it longer.
I've seen just as many rude non-scripters as I have scripters. Please stop stereotyping all scripters, and we might just be able to keep this discussion civil.
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/me looks at NemesisZero
I wasn't aware we had one.
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Please do me a favor and teach me /:
Scripting isn't really about improving your performance, it's more customizing your controls to your liking, thus allowing you to perform better (since you feel comfortable with your setup).
How are scripts and exploits related ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm going to have to defer the answer to the scripting forum when/if it is created.
Scripting isn't really about improving your performance, it's more customizing your controls to your liking, thus allowing you to perform better (since you feel comfortable with your setup).
How are scripts and exploits related ? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm going to have to defer the answer to the scripting forum when/if it is created. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*waits for one of the mods to notice the subtle hint*
I've seen just as many rude non-scripters as I have scripters. Please stop stereotyping all scripters, and we might just be able to keep this discussion civil. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now you're picking nits. Semantics... Let me make bold, the important parts.
I SAID, "If anything the <b>majority</b> of "scripters" <b>I've seen</b> have definitely had a severe lack of manners."
Did I say that all scripters were rude? No. The <b>majority</b> of scripters <b>I have seen</b> have a severe lack of manners.
I can repeat it again, but I don't think that it's necessary. If I was stereotyping, I would have said, "All scripters have had a severe lack of manners."
Please stop trying to turn the discussion into something personal. I'm not insulting you (directly). You don't need to defend yourself or ALL scripters. If you want to defend the rude ones I've seen, go ahead, but good luck.
There are rude people about and people in forums say things they wouldn't normally say because of the anonymity the forums confer. I'd suspect that many people here would be polite in person, but I suspect that many are also rude teens and pre-teens that have a lack of social etiquette which prevents them being polite. I'll try not to turn it into a social commentary though, because as opinionated as I am about scripting, I've got a passion for discussing how parents raise their children.
I wait for that forum because this thread was about the decline of player quality.
And one man's bitching is another man's debate.
You used a script that only works when the enemy is a certain distance away, and you feel it is better than what you can do manually?
I don't think the problem is with the script, it's your lack of ability.
All of your ignorant assumptions about scripts stem from your inexperience in this game.
All of your complaining about scripts should really only be about the 3jump script because it is the only one that improves the player's ability. It's a good thing if it can get newbies closer to veterans by making bhop more accessible.
You used a script that only works when the enemy is a certain distance away, and you feel it is better than what you can do manually?
I don't think the problem is with the script, it's your lack of ability.
All of your ignorant assumptions about scripts stem from your inexperience in this game.
All of your complaining about scripts should really only be about the 3jump script because it is the only one that improves the player's ability. It's a good thing if it can get newbies closer to veterans by making bhop more accessible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if the originator of the thread is going to continue the scripting discussion, who am I to argue with waiting for a scripting thread?
It's funny when people tell me what I should be complaining about. You shut shut your freaking yap then.
See how that works? No body likes being told what to do. They get defensive and feel the need to respond in a similar if not aggravated way.
I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.
I also don't have assumptions about scripts. I have used them and am assuming nothing. I have working knowledge of them if only for a short time. And if you accuse lack of experience again, I'll start in with your lack of manners and reading comprehension. If you're going to go that direction, just call me a n00b and get it over with. I can take the higher road in that case.
Quake or Quake ]I[?
<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Me? I'm a huge fan of the Scourge of Armagon expansion for the original Quake and consider HIPDM1 to the be the best multiplayer map EVER.
Long live Levelord!
Quake3 didn't do it for me. Had that same feeling of been there, done that, although the strafe-jumping in that game gets out of control.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm sorry if you have a medical condition that prevents you from hitting keys accurately, but then I don't think you're in much of a position to argue against scripts. The only reason you think they help is because you lack the dexterity to do so manually. If you could do them on your own I think you could see both sides of the issue; as is, you only see the 'scripts make you better' side.
Have you tried alternate solutions? Try binding the keys to your mouse buttons. Try buying a special keyboard (perhaps one with large keys, or one with keys that are easier to press, etc.) If you do seriously put an effort into practicing your leap-bite and blink-swipe skills I believe you could surprise yourself with your own capabilities.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'm sorry if you have a medical condition that prevents you from hitting keys accurately, but then I don't think you're in much of a position to argue against scripts. The only reason you think they help is because you lack the dexterity to do so manually. If you could do them on your own I think you could see both sides of the issue; as is, you only see the 'scripts make you better' side.
Have you tried alternate solutions? Try binding the keys to your mouse buttons. Try buying a special keyboard (perhaps one with large keys, or one with keys that are easier to press, etc.) If you do seriously put an effort into practicing your leap-bite and blink-swipe skills I believe you could surprise yourself with your own capabilities. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keep in mind that I'm not basing my experiences on playing with scripters, I'm basing my experience on scripters in the forums, and I certainly don't think that these scripters are ALL the scripters there are. In order for it to be a stereotype, I have to portray all scripters as rude or lacking manners. I don't do that. I relate my personal experience with the majority of scripters.
And it's not like I don't have palsy... I occasionally flub the keys when switching quickly. It means that I'm human and I'm not a spring chicken anymore.
The argument has been made multiple times that it doesn't make you better, but it seems like a lot of people are fighting mad over the mp_blockscripts and when anyone even mentions scripting and skill in the same sentence, they go off the handle. Easier = Better, right? If I'm wrong, then I must be living in bizarro world where everything is backwards.
My argument is that scripting makes playing the game easier. I'll concede that I can never successfully argue that scripting makes up for skill, because it's subjective to the individual, but I can't see why people can argue that it doesn't make the game easier, hence require less skill to play.
I could go out on a limb and connect scripting with the influx of new people, which, oddly enough, is the reason for this original thread, and the apparent decline of player quality.
It has come full circle.
You used a script that only works when the enemy is a certain distance away, and you feel it is better than what you can do manually?
I don't think the problem is with the script, it's your lack of ability.
All of your ignorant assumptions about scripts stem from your inexperience in this game.
All of your complaining about scripts should really only be about the 3jump script because it is the only one that improves the player's ability. It's a good thing if it can get newbies closer to veterans by making bhop more accessible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if the originator of the thread is going to continue the scripting discussion, who am I to argue with waiting for a scripting thread?
It's funny when people tell me what I should be complaining about. You shut shut your freaking yap then.
See how that works? No body likes being told what to do. They get defensive and feel the need to respond in a similar if not aggravated way.
I can agree. My skill with a leap-bite is not as good as the script I was using could allow me to do it. It's not really a timing issue for me, but a key fumbling issue. As I'm deeper into middle age, my keyboarding skills have atrophied.
I also don't have assumptions about scripts. I have used them and am assuming nothing. I have working knowledge of them if only for a short time. And if you accuse lack of experience again, I'll start in with your lack of manners and reading comprehension. If you're going to go that direction, just call me a n00b and get it over with. I can take the higher road in that case. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So .. you can't leap/bite manually but using a script helps you do it better. Well then, good for you, you found a more comfortable way to play. It's no different than rebinding all your keyboard keys to your own preference.