<!--QuoteBegin-Psyke+Feb 11 2005, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Psyke @ Feb 11 2005, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Diablus+Feb 11 2005, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Feb 11 2005, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> psh cigarettes. you call yourself a man?! its all about the cigars, I dont like foriegn **** in my lungs <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Just don't inhale or you'll die. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But you like foreign **** in your mouth? eww. I hope you do know that the smoke being in your mouth is harmful too... and that even if you don't inhale, you still get some in your lungs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nowhere near the extent of swallowing the aforementioned smoke deep into the depths of the lungs.
After reading some of the posts that Grendel made, I think some people went overboard on this topic. I do think I need to share some of my own experiences.
My uncle, died at the age of 40 due to lung cancer. He had many friends, he had a family, two sons and two daughters, a wife, and he still had his parents. He also had brothers and sisters, who loved him dearly. His nephews and nieces loved him just as much. He was a nice man, with the one bad habit of smoking.
Would you smokers like to die at the age of 40, just because you became addicted to something you thought that you could control? Would you smokers like to be taken away from your loving family, and never be able to see them grow older? Would you like to be torn away from your children, and never see them leave middle school? Do you want to live a happy life, without much sickness, and see progress? See change? See occurances in the world? Or do you love those cigs just to much? Would you rather shave those 40 years off your life because you just couldn't stop?
Please just consider what you're doing when you inhale those cigs. You're not only hurting yourself, but your family as well. Or what if you do quit? What if you decide that you'd rather live longer and see the world? You still run a great risk of cancer and other huge problems, as my grandfather is feeling today. He had gone about 20 years before feeling the affects of smoking, and he regrets it to the fullest. He often has to sit down and breath from an oxygen tank. He has to go to the doctor's almost every day to check up on his <b>lung capacity</b>. He has to worry about his damaged arteries and weak heart.
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Feb 11 2005, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Feb 11 2005, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After reading some of the posts that Grendel made, I think some people went overboard on this topic. I do think I need to share some of my own experiences.
My uncle, died at the age of 40 due to lung cancer. He had many friends, he had a family, two sons and two daughters, a wife, and he still had his parents. He also had brothers and sisters, who loved him dearly. His nephews and nieces loved him just as much. He was a nice man, with the one bad habit of smoking.
Would you smokers like to die at the age of 40, just because you became addicted to something you thought that you could control? Would you smokers like to be taken away from your loving family, and never be able to see them grow older? Would you like to be torn away from your children, and never see them leave middle school? Do you want to live a happy life, without much sickness, and see progress? See change? See occurances in the world? Or do you love those cigs just to much? Would you rather shave those 40 years off your life because you just couldn't stop?
Please just consider what you're doing when you inhale those cigs. You're not only hurting yourself, but your family as well. Or what if you do quit? What if you decide that you'd rather live longer and see the world? You still run a great risk of cancer and other huge problems, as my grandfather is feeling today. He had gone about 20 years before feeling the affects of smoking, and he regrets it to the fullest. He often has to sit down and breath from an oxygen tank. He has to go to the doctor's almost every day to check up on his <b>lung capacity</b>. He has to worry about his damaged arteries and weak heart.
Consider what you're doing. Think. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Did you read ensuna's post beforehand?
I'm pretty sure every smoker out there is aware it's bad for them, and I know if I was smoking this would just **** me off as well.
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Well, he doesnt speak for all.. And as I said, there's some live hard, die young crowd out there <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Didn't bother to read all 11 pages but from what I've read, I've seen a few things.
#1 Second hand smoke does not cause cancer etc. Breathing in LA is more dangerous than breathing second hand smoke. I'm not even joking...
#2 Smoking does not kill, it increases your chances of getting cancer. Not everyone who smokes has cancer, it just increases your chances. Yes it does tar up the lungs but that doesn't kill you.
Honestly I don't mind smoking or people smoking around me, and no I don't smoke. The only reason I don't is just I have no reason to.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ambassador+Feb 11 2005, 07:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ambassador @ Feb 11 2005, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> #2 Smoking does not kill, it increases your chances of getting cancer. Not everyone who smokes has cancer, it just increases your chances. Yes it does tar up the lungs but that doesn't kill you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...
According to you, jumping off a bridge 2,000 feet in the air onto concrete will not kill you. The concrete will. What caused the concrete to kill you? The jump. Cause and effect.
I never imagined my short rant about trying a cig last night and not even finishing the thing would turn into an 11 page discussion. Sweet. My mom smokes and the main thing it's done for her is a bad chronic cough. I've seen how much she coughs, and really that's enough for me to stay away from the cigs. I really don't know what caused me to become curious about the stupid things, but I did. I guess I rationalized trying them by thinking "hey, I just turned 18, I could smoke if I wanted to....." I guess that sort-of led to my curiousity, but that was a really dumb reason to try 'em. I doubt I'll ever touch 'em again.
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Scoot, it's that kind of thing that irritates smokers. We realize it will shorten our lifespan.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact.
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Feb 11 2005, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Feb 11 2005, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Smoking in the UK raises around £8.5Bn a year in excise tax alone.
The cost of treating smokers in the UK is around £1.5Bn.
That's before you even begin to take into account that smoking reduces the number of people reaching or living long into retirement.
Add to that around a half billion a year in taxable profits from the two major British tobacco resellers. Then add all the tax taken from people selling cigarettes in the UK.
Even including the £200m a year that smoking related illnesses cause British industry, you have to realise that with the current inefficient and exploitative society we have, smoking is a big earner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh dude... best ever. I knew it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 12 2005, 09:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 12 2005, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all the studies have shown again and again that second hand does NOTHING to you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You have got to be crapping me, then why ban smoking in bars and enclosed public places all over the world if it does NOTHING to you?
<b><i><u>Masochists</u></i></b> are what you people are.
When you put in ad hominem arguments about automobiles and industry and other stuff that does pollute the air and can reduce lifespan, you're missing the point.
Public smoking is retarded. Second hand smoke doesn't kill (since you don't freaking stand in it all the time), but it's just as bad as smoking a cigarette and you're infringing on somebody else's lifestyle.
That's it. That's what you're doing.
You are (while not deliberately) causing somebody else to feel drastically uncomfortable (I saw a kid have an asthma attack when he walked out of a Media Play store where some smoker was smoking, scary stuff) and for a few seconds, they don't have a choice but to put up with it.
And then when they do inform you it's dangerous and while you do already know it, WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING IT, YOU RETARDS? It wastes money. It reduces lifespan. It creates a stigma around you that health nazis can't resist laughing at. Sure, you can say it's your choice, freedom of lifestyle, knowing the consequences. But while you're leading a self destructive lifestyle, WHY?
You haven't given one good reason why you smoke. It calms you down? So does taking a freaking breath, and that's healthy. Take yoga, eat a food you like, JUST STOP AND TAKE TIME TO THINK AND BREATHE AND IT WILL YIELD THE EXACT SAME RESULTS WITHOUT THE HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
But here's the thing:
While people say that respecting somebody's freedom of CHOICE, they don't realize something. YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING THE SAME COURTESY. Sure, smoke inside your house, or in a designated smoking area, but when you do it out in the open, in the middle of a city, or outside a store, or in a park, you're infringing somebody ELSE'S freedom of choice. The choice of NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES OR INHALE TOXIC SUBSTANCES.
Christ. This is what I don't understand.
"I know it's bad for me, I tried to quit, I can't do it, I'll continue smoking and destroying my lungs UNTIL I FREAKING DIE."
WHY? YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ONE DAMNED REASON WHY.
Gee, if I wanted to destroy my lungs, shorten my lifespan, attach a moral stigma to myself, waste money, have the inability to run more than 1 mile once I reach 40, and a whole slew of other delightful conditions, sure, I'll smoke.
If you smoke inside your house, I'm all for that, or even in a designated smoking area. But outside where non-smokers dominate the smokers, don't even think of trying to spout out freedom of choice. Jeez.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Feb 11 2005, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 11 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If your really <i>that</i> dependant on those drugs you really should be sent to a crazy house now, before you kill people.
<!--QuoteBegin-R A C+Feb 10 2005, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C @ Feb 10 2005, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doubt I'll ever do it again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just ... say ... no! I smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before I tossed em. My mama was a lifelong smoker and died from pneumonia, and my daddy caught emphazema from em - don't do it man. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+Feb 11 2005, 10:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Feb 11 2005, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-R A C+Feb 10 2005, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C @ Feb 10 2005, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doubt I'll ever do it again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just ... say ... no! I smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before I tossed em. My mama was a lifelong smoker and died from pneumonia, and my daddy caught emphazema from em - don't do it man. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My dad smokes.
I just want to go back and be there for the first guy who said "Hey, I'm going to light this on fire and inhale whatever smoke it makes." I mean, it's <i>smoke</i>. <i>Fire bad</i>, remember? Are you just going to light stuff on fire randomly, trying to smoke it? Might get lucky, something better than nictoine might be that pen....or that peanut, or that cup of rubbing alcohol.
Up until a month ago, I was the only one in my immediate family who didn't smoke (technically a year and a month, I'll get to that). Now, my smell might be a little better than some peoples, but I can smell a cigarette across a crowded after it's had minutes to dissipate. Having to breathe it in close quarters (such as a car) for the duration of more than one cigarette generally starts to give me a sore throat and a very dry nose (with the fact I don't have any breathing disorders). So it really is a pain in the ****.
I used to visit my Dad at least once every year and he was a very heavy smoker. I mean, he smoked at least 2 packs a day; in a very small apartment, where looking accross the living room it would begin to get hazy from smoke. So much smoke that it was insulated to at least 75 degrees in winter. Now, it bugged the hell out of my sister (and she smokes, so...figure that one out), but he was my Dad and damned if smoke is going to stop me.
...Figure this is a good as place as any to throw this in here; about a year ago my Dad died from a combination of smoking related diseases (especially in the lungs) and plaque build up in his blood vessels (which made the heart related effects of smoking worse, it's the 3rd 'minor' cause of death on his death certificate) at the age of 49. He would be unable to sleep laying down, a slight laugh would put him into a fit of coughing and he had trouble walking moderate distances.
Well, I'd been trying to convince my family to quit for the last 6 years, even my Dad (but at 2 packs+ a day, that's really not going to happen). Eventually my Mom got around to quitting around Christmas (combination of a New Years Resolution and a bad bout of pnuemonia) - fairly proud of her by the way. Anyway, you can go about smoking; just at least do it around people that also smoke. And don't say second-hand smoke has no effects, because it does.
[And hopefully if one of you is pestered by a family member that cares enough about you to want you to quit, you'll try to get around to it, as well.]
Aside from that, I'd recommend against starting smoking, since my sister started around 17, and she's quite addicted - even though smoking at my place of employment does have benefits, since your break lasts as long as your cigarette...generally (and she works there too).
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Feb 11 2005, 10:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Feb 11 2005, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Having to breathe it in close quarters (such as a car) for the duration of more than one cigarette generally starts to give me a sore throat and a very dry nose (with the fact I don't have any breathing disorders). So it really is a pain in the ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have the same thing happen to me.
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Rapier7+Feb 11 2005, 10:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rapier7 @ Feb 11 2005, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b><i><u>Masochists</u></i></b> are what you people are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see what the connection is between smoking a cigarette and getting off on pain.
PS: Let them live their life how they want. Stop calling people retards.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is, as I said before, a personal habit and choice. I personally like rolling my own cigarettes, for me it's akin to cooking yourself a meal. I also like smoking them for the flavour and the feeling it gives. There are drawbacks like the loss of sense of taste, smelly clothes, reduced lung capacity and the various diseases that you risk by smoking. But it's my choice and I'm exercising it by buying that tobacco, buying those filters, buying those papers, rolling myself a cigarette, lighting it and savouring that unmistakably cancerous feeling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Should suicide be allowed then? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, why yes it should. It shouldn't be promoted but I think if someone honestly doesn't want to be on this earth and has really given it a lot of thought then it should be legal.
There are situations where people might consider committing suicide as a rash solution to problems which at the time seem bigger than they really are, but if it's a case of someone not enjoying their quality of life then I think that committing suicide or euthanasia should be legal.
For those who think I might be speaking idly about some quite serious topics:
- My grandfather died of lung cancer before I ever knew him - My aunt died of lung cancer, leaving two teenage girls and a husband suddenly without a mother/wife. - Last year my flatmate jumped in front of a car in a suicide attempt
So even with these experiences I still believe in the right to exercise control over your own life, be it smoking or suicide.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rapier7+Feb 11 2005, 10:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rapier7 @ Feb 11 2005, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b><i><u>Masochists</u></i></b> are what you people are.
When you put in ad hominem arguments about automobiles and industry and other stuff that does pollute the air and can reduce lifespan, you're missing the point.
Public smoking is retarded. Second hand smoke doesn't kill (since you don't freaking stand in it all the time), but it's just as bad as smoking a cigarette and you're infringing on somebody else's lifestyle.
That's it. That's what you're doing.
You are (while not deliberately) causing somebody else to feel drastically uncomfortable (I saw a kid have an asthma attack when he walked out of a Media Play store where some smoker was smoking, scary stuff) and for a few seconds, they don't have a choice but to put up with it.
And then when they do inform you it's dangerous and while you do already know it, WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING IT, YOU RETARDS? It wastes money. It reduces lifespan. It creates a stigma around you that health nazis can't resist laughing at. Sure, you can say it's your choice, freedom of lifestyle, knowing the consequences. But while you're leading a self destructive lifestyle, WHY?
You haven't given one good reason why you smoke. It calms you down? So does taking a freaking breath, and that's healthy. Take yoga, eat a food you like, JUST STOP AND TAKE TIME TO THINK AND BREATHE AND IT WILL YIELD THE EXACT SAME RESULTS WITHOUT THE HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
But here's the thing:
While people say that respecting somebody's freedom of CHOICE, they don't realize something. YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING THE SAME COURTESY. Sure, smoke inside your house, or in a designated smoking area, but when you do it out in the open, in the middle of a city, or outside a store, or in a park, you're infringing somebody ELSE'S freedom of choice. The choice of NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES OR INHALE TOXIC SUBSTANCES.
Christ. This is what I don't understand.
"I know it's bad for me, I tried to quit, I can't do it, I'll continue smoking and destroying my lungs UNTIL I FREAKING DIE."
WHY? YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ONE DAMNED REASON WHY.
Gee, if I wanted to destroy my lungs, shorten my lifespan, attach a moral stigma to myself, waste money, have the inability to run more than 1 mile once I reach 40, and a whole slew of other delightful conditions, sure, I'll smoke.
If you smoke inside your house, I'm all for that, or even in a designated smoking area. But outside where non-smokers dominate the smokers, don't even think of trying to spout out freedom of choice. Jeez. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Harshest but best post in the thread.
Yeah, well you have to know where to draw the line. When does it become a public place?
If you're inside your house and you have the windows open:
HO NOES TEH PLOOSHUN!!!111!!
Really I'm gonna let the law decide where I can and cannot smoke. After that it's a matter of common courtesy. I'll ask if people mind me smoking in their house, their immediate presence etc. when it's an enclosed space. But when was the last time a driver stopped at every pedestrian on his way to work to ask if it was OK to have his car running.
I live in London and whenever I go to the countryside or even just to a smaller town I can notice the difference in air quality, it's really astounding. Coming back from a trip to Toronto and New England it's one of the first things that reminds me I'm home when I walk up the road onto the main street and sniff the sweet scent of SouthEast London.
Aaah, I can just *cough* picture myself now.
I wonder how many of you guys commenting regularly go out and get trashed with your mates every weekend on cheap booze (minus the cigarettes, of course), but I'm sure you don't see that as health-damaging.
Besides, I'm fairly certain the long term effects of cigarette smoking are far more severe than those of alcohol, and I KNOW that marijuana isn't nearly as bad as cigarettes.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Feb 11 2005, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 11 2005, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scoot, it's that kind of thing that irritates smokers. We realize it will shorten our lifespan.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We are not the irritating bastards. You are.
Have you ever had a member of your family (brother, sister, parents) die on you?
I hope that the government takes away your children, if you have or will have any, and gives them to foster parents that actually care about them.
Yeah. Rot in your grave with that beautiful body that nobody except the worms will ever see again. ****.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Feb 13 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Feb 13 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Feb 11 2005, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 11 2005, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scoot, it's that kind of thing that irritates smokers. We realize it will shorten our lifespan.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We are not the irritating bastards. You are.
Have you ever had a member of your family (brother, sister, parents) die on you?
I hope that the government takes away your children, if you have or will have any, and gives them to foster parents that actually care about them.
Yeah. Rot in your grave with that beautiful body that nobody except the worms will ever see again. ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Leave him the hell alone man. Its one thing not to agree with his (and incidently my) ideals, but no need to go straight to personal attacks.
And frankly, though that question was not directed at me, I've had memebers of my family die. Its what made me come to this outlook on life. Watching my grandfather succumb to dementia, while his body wasted away was the most disturbing thing ever. More than when my aunt was getting treated for melanoma, she got so weak that she fell down, and couldn't get to a phone to call for help, so she starved to death on the floor.
For me this isn't about having a pretty corpse, its about being able to live in your body your whole life, its about not having to worry about not being able to remember my own childern's names (not that I'm ever having childern, but thats for completely different reasons), its about never getting to the point where you can't go out in winter for fear of falling and breaking your hip.
I'm glad you want to live a long time, I hope you do. Plently of people find the extra years worth the aging. I don't, so I'm sucking the marrow out of every day (thanks Thoreau) and living a life that if I were to die tomarrow I would not look back on my life and find that I had not truely lived for fear of dieing......
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<!--QuoteBegin-Euoplocephalus+Feb 13 2005, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Euoplocephalus @ Feb 13 2005, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Feb 13 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Feb 13 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Feb 11 2005, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 11 2005, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scoot, it's that kind of thing that irritates smokers. We realize it will shorten our lifespan.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We are not the irritating bastards. You are.
Have you ever had a member of your family (brother, sister, parents) die on you?
I hope that the government takes away your children, if you have or will have any, and gives them to foster parents that actually care about them.
Yeah. Rot in your grave with that beautiful body that nobody except the worms will ever see again. ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Leave him the hell alone man. Its one thing not to agree with his (and incidently my) ideals, but no need to go straight to personal attacks.
And frankly, though that question was not directed at me, I've had memebers of my family die. Its what made me come to this outlook on life. Watching my grandfather succumb to dementia, while his body wasted away was the most disturbing thing ever. More than when my aunt was getting treated for melanoma, she got so weak that she fell down, and couldn't get to a phone to call for help, so she starved to death on the floor.
For me this isn't about having a pretty corpse, its about being able to live in your body your whole life, its about not having to worry about not being able to remember my own childern's names (not that I'm ever having childern, but thats for completely different reasons), its about never getting to the point where you can't go out in winter for fear of falling and breaking your hip.
I'm glad you want to live a long time, I hope you do. Plently of people find the extra years worth the aging. I don't, so I'm sucking the marrow out of every day (thanks Thoreau) and living a life that if I were to die tomarrow I would not look back on my life and find that I had not truely lived for fear of dieing...... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Jesus just put a gun to your head at forty-five and put and end to it without hacking and wheezing your way to the grave if that's how you really feel.
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRblong2us+Feb 13 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRblong2us @ Feb 13 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jesus just put a gun to your head at forty-five and put and end to it without hacking and wheezing your way to the grave if that's how you really feel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Obviously you didn't read the last bit of my post. I like living, I'm not some depressed emo kid bitching about how life is pain and suffering. I have no desire to die tomarrow, but if i do get hit by a car I'm not going to regret how I've lived. And I have no desrie living past to the point where I can no longer enjoy life.
I really hate that you guys can't seem to accept that people have different opinions from yours. I respect that fact that you want to grow old and decrepit, why can't you respect that I don't. Or even not accept it, but refrain from suggesting that I kill myself, you ****.
<!--QuoteBegin-Euoplocephalus+Feb 13 2005, 11:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Euoplocephalus @ Feb 13 2005, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRblong2us+Feb 13 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRblong2us @ Feb 13 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jesus just put a gun to your head at forty-five and put and end to it without hacking and wheezing your way to the grave if that's how you really feel. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Obviously you didn't read the last bit of my post. I like living, I'm not some depressed emo kid bitching about how life is pain and suffering. I have no desire to die tomarrow, but if i do get hit by a car I'm not going to regret how I've lived. And I have no desrie living past to the point where I can no longer enjoy life.
I really hate that you guys can't seem to accept that people have different opinions from yours. I respect that fact that you want to grow old and decrepit, why can't you respect that I don't. Or even not accept it, but refrain from suggesting that I kill myself, you ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Obviously you didn't read your own damn post. You're saying you want to live life, while smoking most definitely decreases your ability to live life.
And you don't want to be old and decrepit, he's suggesting that you kill yourself when you start to feel old and decrepit.
Yes, I actualy would kill myself if I ever get diagnoised with parkingson, or alzhiemers. If I do get cancer I don't plan on getting chemo, or allowing them to operate on me.
But thats not the same as killing myself if I happen to feel I'm too old. And I'm not smoking to shorten my life. I smoke becasue I enjoy smoking, plain and simple. The only reason my thoughts on aging come into this at all, is that to me, shortening my life with something that brings me pleasure isn't a problem, becasue I don't want to live forever. A bullet in the head isn't pleasurable at all.....
And then there is the problem between telling me to kill myself after guilt triping me about those I'll leave behind. A friend I met this year had her best friend blow her brains out a while back. Its messy. Really reallly really messy. Her sucide note was 50 bucks and instructions to clean it up before her parents found her. My friend will probably never get over it. The suffering of those who would find me would be far worse, both from the simple horror of the discovery to the emtional nightmare of trying to come to grips with it, far outwieghs any pain I muight have "hacking and wheezing myself to the grave".
And I've been smoking fairly consistaly for four years now, and scoaily for a while before that, and have yet to encounter any effects from smoking that decrease my ability to live. I don't hack and wheeze unless I've stoping smoking for a while. Smoking kills the cilia in your throat allowing a larger build up on phelm that normal. Its when those cillia start to heal and that build up starts breaking up that the hacking starts. Or when it gets too built up I suppose, but I don't smoke nearly enough for that to happen.
edit: on a re-reading, I do have admit that I misunderstood what he was saying in my first response....I read it too quick and thought he ment I should just kill myself today. I still stand by all my statements, I just thought I should admit that i screwed up what I was responding too
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But you like foreign **** in your mouth? eww.
I hope you do know that the smoke being in your mouth is harmful too... and that even if you don't inhale, you still get some in your lungs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nowhere near the extent of swallowing the aforementioned smoke deep into the depths of the lungs.
My uncle, died at the age of 40 due to lung cancer. He had many friends, he had a family, two sons and two daughters, a wife, and he still had his parents. He also had brothers and sisters, who loved him dearly. His nephews and nieces loved him just as much. He was a nice man, with the one bad habit of smoking.
Would you smokers like to die at the age of 40, just because you became addicted to something you thought that you could control? Would you smokers like to be taken away from your loving family, and never be able to see them grow older? Would you like to be torn away from your children, and never see them leave middle school? Do you want to live a happy life, without much sickness, and see progress? See change? See occurances in the world? Or do you love those cigs just to much? Would you rather shave those 40 years off your life because you just couldn't stop?
Please just consider what you're doing when you inhale those cigs. You're not only hurting yourself, but your family as well. Or what if you do quit? What if you decide that you'd rather live longer and see the world? You still run a great risk of cancer and other huge problems, as my grandfather is feeling today. He had gone about 20 years before feeling the affects of smoking, and he regrets it to the fullest. He often has to sit down and breath from an oxygen tank. He has to go to the doctor's almost every day to check up on his <b>lung capacity</b>. He has to worry about his damaged arteries and weak heart.
Consider what you're doing. Think.
My uncle, died at the age of 40 due to lung cancer. He had many friends, he had a family, two sons and two daughters, a wife, and he still had his parents. He also had brothers and sisters, who loved him dearly. His nephews and nieces loved him just as much. He was a nice man, with the one bad habit of smoking.
Would you smokers like to die at the age of 40, just because you became addicted to something you thought that you could control? Would you smokers like to be taken away from your loving family, and never be able to see them grow older? Would you like to be torn away from your children, and never see them leave middle school? Do you want to live a happy life, without much sickness, and see progress? See change? See occurances in the world? Or do you love those cigs just to much? Would you rather shave those 40 years off your life because you just couldn't stop?
Please just consider what you're doing when you inhale those cigs. You're not only hurting yourself, but your family as well. Or what if you do quit? What if you decide that you'd rather live longer and see the world? You still run a great risk of cancer and other huge problems, as my grandfather is feeling today. He had gone about 20 years before feeling the affects of smoking, and he regrets it to the fullest. He often has to sit down and breath from an oxygen tank. He has to go to the doctor's almost every day to check up on his <b>lung capacity</b>. He has to worry about his damaged arteries and weak heart.
Consider what you're doing. Think. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you read ensuna's post beforehand?
I'm pretty sure every smoker out there is aware it's bad for them, and I know if I was smoking this would just **** me off as well.
#1 Second hand smoke does not cause cancer etc. Breathing in LA is more dangerous than breathing second hand smoke. I'm not even joking...
#2 Smoking does not kill, it increases your chances of getting cancer. Not everyone who smokes has cancer, it just increases your chances. Yes it does tar up the lungs but that doesn't kill you.
Honestly I don't mind smoking or people smoking around me, and no I don't smoke. The only reason I don't is just I have no reason to.
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According to you, jumping off a bridge 2,000 feet in the air onto concrete will not kill you. The concrete will.
What caused the concrete to kill you? The jump. Cause and effect.
My mom smokes and the main thing it's done for her is a bad chronic cough. I've seen how much she coughs, and really that's enough for me to stay away from the cigs.
I really don't know what caused me to become curious about the stupid things, but I did. I guess I rationalized trying them by thinking "hey, I just turned 18, I could smoke if I wanted to....." I guess that sort-of led to my curiousity, but that was a really dumb reason to try 'em. I doubt I'll ever touch 'em again.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact.
The cost of treating smokers in the UK is around £1.5Bn.
That's before you even begin to take into account that smoking reduces the number of people reaching or living long into retirement.
Add to that around a half billion a year in taxable profits from the two major British tobacco resellers. Then add all the tax taken from people selling cigarettes in the UK.
Even including the £200m a year that smoking related illnesses cause British industry, you have to realise that with the current inefficient and exploitative society we have, smoking is a big earner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh dude... best ever. I knew it.
You have got to be crapping me, then why ban smoking in bars and enclosed public places all over the world if it does NOTHING to you?
When you put in ad hominem arguments about automobiles and industry and other stuff that does pollute the air and can reduce lifespan, you're missing the point.
Public smoking is retarded. Second hand smoke doesn't kill (since you don't freaking stand in it all the time), but it's just as bad as smoking a cigarette and you're infringing on somebody else's lifestyle.
That's it. That's what you're doing.
You are (while not deliberately) causing somebody else to feel drastically uncomfortable (I saw a kid have an asthma attack when he walked out of a Media Play store where some smoker was smoking, scary stuff) and for a few seconds, they don't have a choice but to put up with it.
And then when they do inform you it's dangerous and while you do already know it, WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING IT, YOU RETARDS? It wastes money. It reduces lifespan. It creates a stigma around you that health nazis can't resist laughing at. Sure, you can say it's your choice, freedom of lifestyle, knowing the consequences. But while you're leading a self destructive lifestyle, WHY?
You haven't given one good reason why you smoke. It calms you down? So does taking a freaking breath, and that's healthy. Take yoga, eat a food you like, JUST STOP AND TAKE TIME TO THINK AND BREATHE AND IT WILL YIELD THE EXACT SAME RESULTS WITHOUT THE HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
But here's the thing:
While people say that respecting somebody's freedom of CHOICE, they don't realize something. YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING THE SAME COURTESY. Sure, smoke inside your house, or in a designated smoking area, but when you do it out in the open, in the middle of a city, or outside a store, or in a park, you're infringing somebody ELSE'S freedom of choice. The choice of NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES OR INHALE TOXIC SUBSTANCES.
Christ. This is what I don't understand.
"I know it's bad for me, I tried to quit, I can't do it, I'll continue smoking and destroying my lungs UNTIL I FREAKING DIE."
WHY? YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ONE DAMNED REASON WHY.
Gee, if I wanted to destroy my lungs, shorten my lifespan, attach a moral stigma to myself, waste money, have the inability to run more than 1 mile once I reach 40, and a whole slew of other delightful conditions, sure, I'll smoke.
If you smoke inside your house, I'm all for that, or even in a designated smoking area. But outside where non-smokers dominate the smokers, don't even think of trying to spout out freedom of choice. Jeez.
If your really <i>that</i> dependant on those drugs you really should be sent to a crazy house now, before you kill people.
Edit: Thank you Rapier.
Just ... say ... no! I smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before I tossed em.
My mama was a lifelong smoker and died from pneumonia, and my daddy caught emphazema from em - don't do it man. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Just ... say ... no! I smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before I tossed em.
My mama was a lifelong smoker and died from pneumonia, and my daddy caught emphazema from em - don't do it man. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My dad smokes.
He can't quit, but has tried over 10 times...
But he lives in Florida.
...you know, whatever <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Up until a month ago, I was the only one in my immediate family who didn't smoke (technically a year and a month, I'll get to that). Now, my smell might be a little better than some peoples, but I can smell a cigarette across a crowded after it's had minutes to dissipate. Having to breathe it in close quarters (such as a car) for the duration of more than one cigarette generally starts to give me a sore throat and a very dry nose (with the fact I don't have any breathing disorders). So it really is a pain in the ****.
I used to visit my Dad at least once every year and he was a very heavy smoker. I mean, he smoked at least 2 packs a day; in a very small apartment, where looking accross the living room it would begin to get hazy from smoke. So much smoke that it was insulated to at least 75 degrees in winter. Now, it bugged the hell out of my sister (and she smokes, so...figure that one out), but he was my Dad and damned if smoke is going to stop me.
...Figure this is a good as place as any to throw this in here; about a year ago my Dad died from a combination of smoking related diseases (especially in the lungs) and plaque build up in his blood vessels (which made the heart related effects of smoking worse, it's the 3rd 'minor' cause of death on his death certificate) at the age of 49. He would be unable to sleep laying down, a slight laugh would put him into a fit of coughing and he had trouble walking moderate distances.
Well, I'd been trying to convince my family to quit for the last 6 years, even my Dad (but at 2 packs+ a day, that's really not going to happen). Eventually my Mom got around to quitting around Christmas (combination of a New Years Resolution and a bad bout of pnuemonia) - fairly proud of her by the way. Anyway, you can go about smoking; just at least do it around people that also smoke. And don't say second-hand smoke has no effects, because it does.
[And hopefully if one of you is pestered by a family member that cares enough about you to want you to quit, you'll try to get around to it, as well.]
Aside from that, I'd recommend against starting smoking, since my sister started around 17, and she's quite addicted - even though smoking at my place of employment does have benefits, since your break lasts as long as your cigarette...generally (and she works there too).
I have the same thing happen to me.
I don't see what the connection is between smoking a cigarette and getting off on pain.
PS: Let them live their life how they want. Stop calling people retards.
Should suicide be allowed then? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, why yes it should. It shouldn't be promoted but I think if someone honestly doesn't want to be on this earth and has really given it a lot of thought then it should be legal.
There are situations where people might consider committing suicide as a rash solution to problems which at the time seem bigger than they really are, but if it's a case of someone not enjoying their quality of life then I think that committing suicide or euthanasia should be legal.
For those who think I might be speaking idly about some quite serious topics:
- My grandfather died of lung cancer before I ever knew him
- My aunt died of lung cancer, leaving two teenage girls and a husband suddenly without a mother/wife.
- Last year my flatmate jumped in front of a car in a suicide attempt
So even with these experiences I still believe in the right to exercise control over your own life, be it smoking or suicide.
When you put in ad hominem arguments about automobiles and industry and other stuff that does pollute the air and can reduce lifespan, you're missing the point.
Public smoking is retarded. Second hand smoke doesn't kill (since you don't freaking stand in it all the time), but it's just as bad as smoking a cigarette and you're infringing on somebody else's lifestyle.
That's it. That's what you're doing.
You are (while not deliberately) causing somebody else to feel drastically uncomfortable (I saw a kid have an asthma attack when he walked out of a Media Play store where some smoker was smoking, scary stuff) and for a few seconds, they don't have a choice but to put up with it.
And then when they do inform you it's dangerous and while you do already know it, WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING IT, YOU RETARDS? It wastes money. It reduces lifespan. It creates a stigma around you that health nazis can't resist laughing at. Sure, you can say it's your choice, freedom of lifestyle, knowing the consequences. But while you're leading a self destructive lifestyle, WHY?
You haven't given one good reason why you smoke. It calms you down? So does taking a freaking breath, and that's healthy. Take yoga, eat a food you like, JUST STOP AND TAKE TIME TO THINK AND BREATHE AND IT WILL YIELD THE EXACT SAME RESULTS WITHOUT THE HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
But here's the thing:
While people say that respecting somebody's freedom of CHOICE, they don't realize something. YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING THE SAME COURTESY. Sure, smoke inside your house, or in a designated smoking area, but when you do it out in the open, in the middle of a city, or outside a store, or in a park, you're infringing somebody ELSE'S freedom of choice. The choice of NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES OR INHALE TOXIC SUBSTANCES.
Christ. This is what I don't understand.
"I know it's bad for me, I tried to quit, I can't do it, I'll continue smoking and destroying my lungs UNTIL I FREAKING DIE."
WHY? YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ONE DAMNED REASON WHY.
Gee, if I wanted to destroy my lungs, shorten my lifespan, attach a moral stigma to myself, waste money, have the inability to run more than 1 mile once I reach 40, and a whole slew of other delightful conditions, sure, I'll smoke.
If you smoke inside your house, I'm all for that, or even in a designated smoking area. But outside where non-smokers dominate the smokers, don't even think of trying to spout out freedom of choice. Jeez. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Harshest but best post in the thread.
If you're inside your house and you have the windows open:
HO NOES TEH PLOOSHUN!!!111!!
Really I'm gonna let the law decide where I can and cannot smoke. After that it's a matter of common courtesy. I'll ask if people mind me smoking in their house, their immediate presence etc. when it's an enclosed space. But when was the last time a driver stopped at every pedestrian on his way to work to ask if it was OK to have his car running.
I live in London and whenever I go to the countryside or even just to a smaller town I can notice the difference in air quality, it's really astounding. Coming back from a trip to Toronto and New England it's one of the first things that reminds me I'm home when I walk up the road onto the main street and sniff the sweet scent of SouthEast London.
Aaah, I can just *cough* picture myself now.
I wonder how many of you guys commenting regularly go out and get trashed with your mates every weekend on cheap booze (minus the cigarettes, of course), but I'm sure you don't see that as health-damaging.
Besides, I'm fairly certain the long term effects of cigarette smoking are far more severe than those of alcohol, and I KNOW that marijuana isn't nearly as bad as cigarettes.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We are not the irritating bastards. You are.
Have you ever had a member of your family (brother, sister, parents) die on you?
I hope that the government takes away your children, if you have or will have any, and gives them to foster parents that actually care about them.
Yeah. Rot in your grave with that beautiful body that nobody except the worms will ever see again. ****.
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We are not the irritating bastards. You are.
Have you ever had a member of your family (brother, sister, parents) die on you?
I hope that the government takes away your children, if you have or will have any, and gives them to foster parents that actually care about them.
Yeah. Rot in your grave with that beautiful body that nobody except the worms will ever see again. ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Leave him the hell alone man. Its one thing not to agree with his (and incidently my) ideals, but no need to go straight to personal attacks.
And frankly, though that question was not directed at me, I've had memebers of my family die. Its what made me come to this outlook on life. Watching my grandfather succumb to dementia, while his body wasted away was the most disturbing thing ever. More than when my aunt was getting treated for melanoma, she got so weak that she fell down, and couldn't get to a phone to call for help, so she starved to death on the floor.
For me this isn't about having a pretty corpse, its about being able to live in your body your whole life, its about not having to worry about not being able to remember my own childern's names (not that I'm ever having childern, but thats for completely different reasons), its about never getting to the point where you can't go out in winter for fear of falling and breaking your hip.
I'm glad you want to live a long time, I hope you do. Plently of people find the extra years worth the aging. I don't, so I'm sucking the marrow out of every day (thanks Thoreau) and living a life that if I were to die tomarrow I would not look back on my life and find that I had not truely lived for fear of dieing......
Myself, I'd rather die at 40 than rot in prison to 92, where I'd die in a state-provided bed, all liverspotted and regretting having been thrown into prison without parole for a multiple homicide; all due to the fact that without cigarettes to control the worst utter disgust and anger at the stupidity of society, I reached the snapping point and ran through a church bus with a pair of bowie knives, removing the yowling womb-spawn yuplets and evangelist kids from the future breeding population.
Some people want to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. I don't particularly want to die young (but sure as crap before I start getting all white-haired and liverspotty), but I'd rather leave a fine mist, and a few million in collateral damage from the impact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We are not the irritating bastards. You are.
Have you ever had a member of your family (brother, sister, parents) die on you?
I hope that the government takes away your children, if you have or will have any, and gives them to foster parents that actually care about them.
Yeah. Rot in your grave with that beautiful body that nobody except the worms will ever see again. ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Leave him the hell alone man. Its one thing not to agree with his (and incidently my) ideals, but no need to go straight to personal attacks.
And frankly, though that question was not directed at me, I've had memebers of my family die. Its what made me come to this outlook on life. Watching my grandfather succumb to dementia, while his body wasted away was the most disturbing thing ever. More than when my aunt was getting treated for melanoma, she got so weak that she fell down, and couldn't get to a phone to call for help, so she starved to death on the floor.
For me this isn't about having a pretty corpse, its about being able to live in your body your whole life, its about not having to worry about not being able to remember my own childern's names (not that I'm ever having childern, but thats for completely different reasons), its about never getting to the point where you can't go out in winter for fear of falling and breaking your hip.
I'm glad you want to live a long time, I hope you do. Plently of people find the extra years worth the aging. I don't, so I'm sucking the marrow out of every day (thanks Thoreau) and living a life that if I were to die tomarrow I would not look back on my life and find that I had not truely lived for fear of dieing...... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jesus just put a gun to your head at forty-five and put and end to it without hacking and wheezing your way to the grave if that's how you really feel.
Obviously you didn't read the last bit of my post. I like living, I'm not some depressed emo kid bitching about how life is pain and suffering. I have no desire to die tomarrow, but if i do get hit by a car I'm not going to regret how I've lived. And I have no desrie living past to the point where I can no longer enjoy life.
I really hate that you guys can't seem to accept that people have different opinions from yours. I respect that fact that you want to grow old and decrepit, why can't you respect that I don't. Or even not accept it, but refrain from suggesting that I kill myself, you ****.
Obviously you didn't read the last bit of my post. I like living, I'm not some depressed emo kid bitching about how life is pain and suffering. I have no desire to die tomarrow, but if i do get hit by a car I'm not going to regret how I've lived. And I have no desrie living past to the point where I can no longer enjoy life.
I really hate that you guys can't seem to accept that people have different opinions from yours. I respect that fact that you want to grow old and decrepit, why can't you respect that I don't. Or even not accept it, but refrain from suggesting that I kill myself, you ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obviously you didn't read your own damn post. You're saying you want to live life, while smoking most definitely decreases your ability to live life.
And you don't want to be old and decrepit, he's suggesting that you kill yourself when you start to feel old and decrepit.
Christ, some people...
But thats not the same as killing myself if I happen to feel I'm too old. And I'm not smoking to shorten my life. I smoke becasue I enjoy smoking, plain and simple. The only reason my thoughts on aging come into this at all, is that to me, shortening my life with something that brings me pleasure isn't a problem, becasue I don't want to live forever. A bullet in the head isn't pleasurable at all.....
And then there is the problem between telling me to kill myself after guilt triping me about those I'll leave behind. A friend I met this year had her best friend blow her brains out a while back. Its messy. Really reallly really messy. Her sucide note was 50 bucks and instructions to clean it up before her parents found her. My friend will probably never get over it. The suffering of those who would find me would be far worse, both from the simple horror of the discovery to the emtional nightmare of trying to come to grips with it, far outwieghs any pain I muight have "hacking and wheezing myself to the grave".
And I've been smoking fairly consistaly for four years now, and scoaily for a while before that, and have yet to encounter any effects from smoking that decrease my ability to live. I don't hack and wheeze unless I've stoping smoking for a while. Smoking kills the cilia in your throat allowing a larger build up on phelm that normal. Its when those cillia start to heal and that build up starts breaking up that the hacking starts. Or when it gets too built up I suppose, but I don't smoke nearly enough for that to happen.
edit: on a re-reading, I do have admit that I misunderstood what he was saying in my first response....I read it too quick and thought he ment I should just kill myself today. I still stand by all my statements, I just thought I should admit that i screwed up what I was responding too