I'm a smoker, and a quite heavy one at that (Pack a day atm) I've been smoking since I was 12 and I'm quite aware of the risks, can't escape the risks in this country with the big warning signs on the packets now.
I enjoy smoking, but I realise that many people don't and don't even like being around people who do smoke so in situations that require it I go outside to smoke. I've fortunately never met any health nazi's like most of the people in this thread so my choice of chemical stimulation has gone down rather well.
I don't drink or do any illegal drugs anymore either, which I feel is much more important.
When was the last time someone was run over by a driver off his head on nicotine...
I don't drink or do any illegal drugs anymore either, which I feel is much more important <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah damn.....still the least health minded person on this forum <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
edited February 2005
EDIT: sorry for typos, kinda-hangover from yesterday
When iam reading these posts, i think about yesterday. I was at a musical-end-party thing, (off: i played Hans Christian Andersen, the danish writer in the musical) and i got pretty drunk. Now, i havnt been smoking for more than a mounth or so, and only at parties. So i sit down with a good friend and light a smoke.
Why?
why would i want to harm my health for no reason whatsoever?
People who don't smoke, will <b><u>NEVER</u></b> understand how it feels. sure a lot of you say "i tried once and it was horrible, it tasted aweful ect" - heck, before i started i was all that way, i hated smokers - kinda like you do - kept bringin' up all those medical, health and price related issues i could possible find about smokin'.
You know what? i was just like you guys! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Furthermore i didnt start to be cool - (really, people who start for that reasons should be shot in the kneecaps with depleted uranium) - I was having a pretty **** up time, love life going down and so, i tryid smoking. You know what? To my surprise i felt good!
I will properly get alot of kicks for this one, but sure - i know its not as if iam helping the whales in Africa - but i feel good when smoking, if i smoke to much - i get this bad feeling in my mouth - so i tend not to smoke that much.
... don't know if you can follow me on this one... just calms me down and feels good...
<!--QuoteBegin-Euoplocephalus+Feb 11 2005, 07:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Euoplocephalus @ Feb 11 2005, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No offense, but people like you **** me off. I smoke. I Know the risks, and the costs, and to me its worth it at the moment. I understand the dislike of it, but the people who praticaly run past while I'm smoking annoy the hell out of me. Second hand smoke is a myth, espeicaly outdoors, and unless they are activly blowing it in your face if shouldn't affect you at all to just walk by normaly. Not that I think you should stop and talk to me, or anything, just don't think les, or more, of me because I smoke. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, Yeah!
Even if its not poisinous to smoke second hand, it flipping stinks! Even against the wind.
Would you mind if i burn some plastic at the bus stop, or hack some onions besides you?
If not, you are a very weird individual ...
well, me for myself i hate smokers like hell. even if they haven´t smoked in a while they clothes smell, and when they sit next to you, ewww.
Its a good thing that these people die sooner, so that we get at least some time withou them!
Edit: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know what? To my surprise i felt good!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You know what? its a drug, its supposed to feel good <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->, noone would use them if they didn´t. Pls don´t get me wrong, i don´t have anything against drugs, i´, for legalisation all the way for mature individuals who have full posession of their mental health, since its an unalienable right for them to express themselves and to do with their body what they want, its not that. Because of that i wont cram you with medical issues and the like, its your choice. What annoys me is the thing that they **** of us no smokers when they smoke in public, since its disgusting. They throw the filter away in the public and don´t care about it. Its like, if i would do H and throw my needles(?) on the ground. Is that ok? i think no!
Interestingly enough I've only tried cigars also. And it didn't taste that bad, surprisingly pleasant. I think cigarettes smell so foul that I wouldn't want to try one.
I don't drink or do any illegal drugs anymore either, which I feel is much more important <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah damn.....still the least health minded person on this forum <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Good for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hah, you're just trying to defends your perverted addiction. You smookers are a dying breed, and soon it will be socially unacceptable.
there is a huge difference between what are drugs and what is drug abuse...
and, it's not like there are not other addictions in life which are not harmful and which do not involve smoking...
for myself, i really don't have a very strong disinclination towards people that smoke, as long as they do not intentionally smoke in my face. if you do not like someone smoking around you, go somewhere else, or just ask the person nicely if where he is smoking is not allowed to stop, or if you have a certain condition.
the way i see it is, let them do what they want to do; respect there decisions, as long as it does not effect the person who is around them.
that is why i hate people abusing substances or anything for that matter and giving other things which are not as nearly harmful as let's say alchohol, a bad rap.
but this is hipocrosiy that i am saying, so we should just move along...
what i think we need to keep in mind is that people need to try and understand each other, and not ignore even the ones who always complain and who are always negative; they too have something to say.
respect me and i respect you; it's kind of like that...
<!--QuoteBegin-R A C+Feb 10 2005, 09:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C @ Feb 10 2005, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It tasted so fricken nasty. It gave me a nice relaxing feeling, but I don't think it was worth the nasty taste. I also think I inhaled too much too quickly as I was light headed and dizzy after I had smoked 3/4 of it. And that was only like 1 minute after I started. I should of smoked it slower, but I did it outside and it was cold out (I live in Minnesota) and I wanted to do it quickly. I didn't even finish the stupid thing because I got light headed. I definitely didn't feel very cool doing it. I just tried it out of curiousity. It also left a nasty taste in my mouth. I doubt I'll ever do it again. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You'll learn.
Can this topic be moved to the "Discussions" Forum so that I'm allowed to express an opinion. Aw heck I'll do it anyway:
Smoking is a personal habit and should be treated that way. If someone wants to wear fur then let them. If you're against the fur trade then try to convince them not to do it, then leave it there. If you don't like someone smoking then before the lecture, ask them how long they've been smoking. If it's over two years they've heard it all before and quite frankly it's akin to being told that you're a geek for playing computer games. It won't. change. a thing.
People have to give up smoking on their own, if it's not their own decision then they'll most likely pick it up again.
Also bear in mind that your government has kept smoking legal for those above a certain age, and for those smoking in certain areas. If you have beef with that take it up with those you elected, or if you're too young to vote then write a letter.
It's addictive - yes, but so is intense repetitive exercise due to the endorphines (happy hormones) it releases. Before someone claims that this doesn't have bodily consequences - do your research first.
Smoking is, as I said before, a personal habit and <b>choice</b>. I personally like rolling my own cigarettes, for me it's akin to cooking yourself a meal. I also like smoking them for the flavour and the feeling it gives. There are drawbacks like the loss of sense of taste, smelly clothes, reduced lung capacity and the various diseases that you risk by smoking. But it's my choice and I'm exercising it by buying that tobacco, buying those filters, buying those papers, rolling myself a cigarette, lighting it and savouring that unmistakably cancerous feeling.
I also make the choice not to smoke inside of resaurants and always ask non-smokers who I don't know if they mind me smoking in their presence. I believe that one has to have a fairly mature attitude before you choose to start smoking and I'm glad that the law embodies this opinion.
I'm going to enjoy my last few months abroad before I return to the UK. I'm gradually cutting down because I know fully well that in England the amount of money we pay for cigarettes is <i>insane</i>. That's not a gripe at my government, it's for my own good and as long as that money goes towards paying for cancer-related healthcare I don't mind!
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Alright well back on topic, cigs or any other form of inhale drug that people say make you feel good is so STUPID. I can't really imagine why people would willingly commit suicide AND smell bad AND have a crappier lifestyle because they want to inhale some stupid leaves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Marijuana has different effects on different people. It only leads to a crappier lifestyle if you allow it to, and I think I answered your question about why people might smoke tobacco. I'll leave marijuana for the Discussions Forums.
<!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Feb 11 2005, 06:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Feb 11 2005, 06:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, how the hell do people blow smoke rings?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's actually a fairly simple physical principle.
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->[____ c [____ I=== ` I=== [''''''''' c´ [''''''''<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--><From side on> The I=== is the tongue, the bits above and below are the lips. The basic principle is to control how the smoke is forced out of your mouth. Then tongue needs to be curled down a bit to provide a perpendicular surface with which to push out the smoke. The tongue is pushed forwards (2nd ASCI diag.)It will create currents of air that spin round while travelling away from your mouth (the little c's).
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 01:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 01:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To everyone preaching how smoking will kill you, here is some news that may shock, AND disturb you, so you may want to skip this post..
Non smokers.. Die... Every day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is, as I said before, a personal habit and choice. I personally like rolling my own cigarettes, for me it's akin to cooking yourself a meal. I also like smoking them for the flavour and the feeling it gives. There are drawbacks like the loss of sense of taste, smelly clothes, reduced lung capacity and the various diseases that you risk by smoking. But it's my choice and I'm exercising it by buying that tobacco, buying those filters, buying those papers, rolling myself a cigarette, lighting it and savouring that unmistakably cancerous feeling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Should suicide be allowed then? Anyway, you're probably costing the state a buckload of money in medical bills for your shortsightedness.
<!--QuoteBegin-R A C+Feb 10 2005, 09:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C @ Feb 10 2005, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It tasted so fricken nasty. It gave me a nice relaxing feeling, but I don't think it was worth the nasty taste. I also think I inhaled too much too quickly as I was light headed and dizzy after I had smoked 3/4 of it. And that was only like 1 minute after I started. I should of smoked it slower, but I did it outside and it was cold out (I live in Minnesota) and I wanted to do it quickly. I didn't even finish the stupid thing because I got light headed. I definitely didn't feel very cool doing it. I just tried it out of curiousity. It also left a nasty taste in my mouth. I doubt I'll ever do it again. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> .......
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 02:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 02:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, it wont cost nearly as much as the constant lung patient next to me.
And, it isnt a war on cost, it's about the dmg he inflicted on himself costing.
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 05:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 05:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You realize if we didn't have all these people who smoke, or who could be healthy but instead are obese, or who don't take carte of themselves at all, the health care system would be nowhere near overtaxed. Do you know how much we spend annualy on paying for people's bad behaviors? That's coming out of your taxes, and more importantly out of your future hospital bills.
Marik_SteeleTo rule in hell...Join Date: 2002-11-20Member: 9466Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 08:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 08:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old[...] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, you're going to want all the medical benefits your government is willing to offer to treat the problems that will come naturally as you age, but at least the risk of those ailments being serious is lessened if the lifestyle was fairly healthy.
<!--QuoteBegin-Euoplocephalus+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Euoplocephalus)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Health wise, is a bit more complicated. I think we live too long. I have a grandfather currently slowly dieing from alzhiemers. I don't ever want that, or even to live to be 90 and more or less healthy, but to old to care for myself effectivly. With this sort of out look on life the idea of dieing from lung cancer when your 60 doesn't seem so bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I can definitely understand not wanting to go through a period of your life where you're dependent on other people. But please recognize that lung cancer isn't all you're putting yourself at risk of getting. With all of us here, it's very likely that for genetic reasons, we'll all develop different issues with our bodies as we age -- the sort of things just as likely to happen whether or not we smoke. Some may find ourselves getting arthritis. Some may find our eyesight worsening.
If the problems you may develop are worsened by a history of smoking, you could find that you've put yourself into just the sort of situation you were trying to avoid.
From the sound of it, you're certainly not the stereotypical heavy smoker at the moment. For your sake, I hope your willpower keeps the addiction rate held at bay in the future as well as it has this far. And if you have the time, you may want to consider looking into your family's health history for the reasons stated above.
smoking? you pansy... at some time in your life you have to realise that smoking WILL inevitably kill you, and is therefor going to taste like crap on a crutch. Best thing i suggest is to try everything under the sun until you find your weakness, mine is booze.
<!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+Feb 11 2005, 12:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ Feb 11 2005, 12:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Feb 11 2005, 06:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Feb 11 2005, 06:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, how the hell do people blow smoke rings?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's actually a fairly simple physical principle.
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->[____ c [____ I=== ` I=== [''''''''' c´ [''''''''<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--><From side on> The I=== is the tongue, the bits above and below are the lips. The basic principle is to control how the smoke is forced out of your mouth. Then tongue needs to be curled down a bit to provide a perpendicular surface with which to push out the smoke. The tongue is pushed forwards (2nd ASCI diag.)It will create currents of air that spin round while travelling away from your mouth (the little c's).
It seems like I've lost a few of you... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well that sounds...simple. Need more cigars now.
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Feb 11 2005, 08:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 11 2005, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You realize if we didn't have all these people who smoke, or who could be healthy but instead are obese, or who don't take carte of themselves at all, the health care system would be nowhere near overtaxed. Do you know how much we spend annualy on paying for people's bad behaviors? That's coming out of your taxes, and more importantly out of your future hospital bills.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, and we should cut off support for those good for nothing terminally ill cancer patients and those mentally/physically disabled people, Why should we have to pay to keep someone else alive? Pfft! They wanna get up outta them wheelchairs and HOE SOME FIELDS, SLACKERS.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
edited February 2005
I tend to smoke due to the relaxation issue... it's a short break with a purpose, that allows me to calm down, and at the same time gratifies the addiction.
I also enjoy smoking, as I do not smoke straight tobacco; I was hooked on cloves. Far smoother, and the scent is exponentially less objectionable. When I was visiting friends and having one on their stoop, the upstairs neighbor came down and asked if the other next-door neighbor was burning incense. Sure, they'll make your lungs bleed if you're an idiot about it and smoke too many a day. The up side is, if you don't have any for three days, the effects have fully cleared out of your system. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Though I honestly use it more as a protest against the mindless wave of Atkins-friendly morons out here subsisting entirely on tofu, wheat germ and cultured algae. There's something satisfying about having one stop you to tell you that it's unhealthy, and giving them a good lungful in the face before simply stating 'I know.' and walking on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 09:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's self-centered ideas such as yours that are the root of the problem. For once in your life, think of the others around you that would be affected by your careless acts, be it your family, friends, or whoever.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, but you dont find it slightly unresponsible to smoke then?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> About as irresponsible as it is to, say.. drive a car around people. Or burn anything.
<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's self-centered ideas such as yours that are the root of the problem. For once in your life, think of the others around you that would be affected by your careless acts, be it your family, friends, or whoever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well damn, who said I smoked? Assuming git.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 02:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 02:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, but you dont find it slightly unresponsible to smoke then?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> About as irresponsible as it is to, say.. drive a car around people. Or burn anything.
<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's self-centered ideas such as yours that are the root of the problem. For once in your life, think of the others around you that would be affected by your careless acts, be it your family, friends, or whoever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well damn, who said I smoked? Assuming git. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You got the warnings on the pack, there's no excuse. Anyway, what do you mean with drive a car around people or burn anything??
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You got the warnings on the pack, there's no excuse. Anyway, what do you mean with drive a car around people or burn anything?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Warnings? What? What are you talking about..
And isn't polluting the atmosphere and pumping smoke into everyone elses lungs, usually including yours a lot more irresponsible than polluting your body?
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Feb 11 2005, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 11 2005, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There's something satisfying about having one stop you to tell you that it's unhealthy, and giving them a good lungful in the face before simply stating 'I know.' and walking on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You, sir, are the pinnacle of cool.
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I enjoy smoking, but I realise that many people don't and don't even like being around people who do smoke so in situations that require it I go outside to smoke. I've fortunately never met any health nazi's like most of the people in this thread so my choice of chemical stimulation has gone down rather well.
I don't drink or do any illegal drugs anymore either, which I feel is much more important.
When was the last time someone was run over by a driver off his head on nicotine...
I don't drink or do any illegal drugs anymore either, which I feel is much more important <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah damn.....still the least health minded person on this forum <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Good for you.
ill drink to that!
>_>
<_<
It was . . . interesting. And painful. Mostly painful.
"There's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college."
When iam reading these posts, i think about yesterday.
I was at a musical-end-party thing, (off: i played Hans Christian Andersen, the danish writer in the musical) and i got pretty drunk. Now, i havnt been smoking for more than a mounth or so, and only at parties. So i sit down with a good friend and light a smoke.
Why?
why would i want to harm my health for no reason whatsoever?
People who don't smoke, will <b><u>NEVER</u></b> understand how it feels.
sure a lot of you say "i tried once and it was horrible, it tasted aweful ect" - heck, before i started i was all that way, i hated smokers - kinda like you do - kept bringin' up all those medical, health and price related issues i could possible find about smokin'.
You know what? i was just like you guys! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Furthermore i didnt start to be cool - (really, people who start for that reasons should be shot in the kneecaps with depleted uranium) - I was having a pretty **** up time, love life going down and so, i tryid smoking. You know what? To my surprise i felt good!
I will properly get alot of kicks for this one, but sure - i know its not as if iam helping the whales in Africa - but i feel good when smoking, if i smoke to much - i get this bad feeling in my mouth - so i tend not to smoke that much.
... don't know if you can follow me on this one...
just calms me down and feels good...
Yeah, Yeah!
Even if its not poisinous to smoke second hand, it flipping stinks!
Even against the wind.
Would you mind if i burn some plastic at the bus stop, or hack some onions besides you?
If not, you are a very weird individual ...
well, me for myself i hate smokers like hell. even if they haven´t smoked in a while they clothes smell, and when they sit next to you, ewww.
Its a good thing that these people die sooner, so that we get at least some time withou them!
Edit: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know what? To my surprise i felt good!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You know what? its a drug, its supposed to feel good <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->, noone would use them if they didn´t.
Pls don´t get me wrong, i don´t have anything against drugs, i´, for legalisation all the way for mature individuals who have full posession of their mental health, since its an unalienable right for them to express themselves and to do with their body what they want, its not that. Because of that i wont cram you with medical issues and the like, its your choice.
What annoys me is the thing that they **** of us no smokers when they smoke in public, since its disgusting.
They throw the filter away in the public and don´t care about it.
Its like, if i would do H and throw my needles(?) on the ground.
Is that ok? i think no!
Also, how the hell do people blow smoke rings?
I don't drink or do any illegal drugs anymore either, which I feel is much more important <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah damn.....still the least health minded person on this forum <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Good for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hah, you're just trying to defends your perverted addiction. You smookers are a dying breed, and soon it will be socially unacceptable.
and, it's not like there are not other addictions in life which are not harmful and which do not involve smoking...
for myself, i really don't have a very strong disinclination towards people that smoke, as long as they do not intentionally smoke in my face. if you do not like someone smoking around you, go somewhere else, or just ask the person nicely if where he is smoking is not allowed to stop, or if you have a certain condition.
the way i see it is, let them do what they want to do; respect there decisions, as long as it does not effect the person who is around them.
that is why i hate people abusing substances or anything for that matter and giving other things which are not as nearly harmful as let's say alchohol, a bad rap.
but this is hipocrosiy that i am saying, so we should just move along...
what i think we need to keep in mind is that people need to try and understand each other, and not ignore even the ones who always complain and who are always negative; they too have something to say.
respect me and i respect you; it's kind of like that...
You'll learn.
Can this topic be moved to the "Discussions" Forum so that I'm allowed to express an opinion. Aw heck I'll do it anyway:
Smoking is a personal habit and should be treated that way. If someone wants to wear fur then let them. If you're against the fur trade then try to convince them not to do it, then leave it there. If you don't like someone smoking then before the lecture, ask them how long they've been smoking. If it's over two years they've heard it all before and quite frankly it's akin to being told that you're a geek for playing computer games. It won't. change. a thing.
People have to give up smoking on their own, if it's not their own decision then they'll most likely pick it up again.
Also bear in mind that your government has kept smoking legal for those above a certain age, and for those smoking in certain areas. If you have beef with that take it up with those you elected, or if you're too young to vote then write a letter.
It's addictive - yes, but so is intense repetitive exercise due to the endorphines (happy hormones) it releases. Before someone claims that this doesn't have bodily consequences - do your research first.
Smoking is, as I said before, a personal habit and <b>choice</b>. I personally like rolling my own cigarettes, for me it's akin to cooking yourself a meal. I also like smoking them for the flavour and the feeling it gives. There are drawbacks like the loss of sense of taste, smelly clothes, reduced lung capacity and the various diseases that you risk by smoking. But it's my choice and I'm exercising it by buying that tobacco, buying those filters, buying those papers, rolling myself a cigarette, lighting it and savouring that unmistakably cancerous feeling.
I also make the choice not to smoke inside of resaurants and always ask non-smokers who I don't know if they mind me smoking in their presence. I believe that one has to have a fairly mature attitude before you choose to start smoking and I'm glad that the law embodies this opinion.
I'm going to enjoy my last few months abroad before I return to the UK. I'm gradually cutting down because I know fully well that in England the amount of money we pay for cigarettes is <i>insane</i>. That's not a gripe at my government, it's for my own good and as long as that money goes towards paying for cancer-related healthcare I don't mind!
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Alright well back on topic, cigs or any other form of inhale drug that people say make you feel good is so STUPID. I can't really imagine why people would willingly commit suicide AND smell bad AND have a crappier lifestyle because they want to inhale some stupid leaves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Marijuana has different effects on different people. It only leads to a crappier lifestyle if you allow it to, and I think I answered your question about why people might smoke tobacco. I'll leave marijuana for the Discussions Forums.
Non smokers..
Die...
Every day.
It's actually a fairly simple physical principle.
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[''''''''' c´ [''''''''<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--><From side on> The I=== is the tongue, the bits above and below are the lips. The basic principle is to control how the smoke is forced out of your mouth. Then tongue needs to be curled down a bit to provide a perpendicular surface with which to push out the smoke. The tongue is pushed forwards (2nd ASCI diag.)It will create currents of air that spin round while travelling away from your mouth (the little c's).
It seems like I've lost a few of you...
Non smokers..
Die...
Every day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Huh? It's the same for smokers/non-smoker. Irrelevant.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is, as I said before, a personal habit and choice. I personally like rolling my own cigarettes, for me it's akin to cooking yourself a meal. I also like smoking them for the flavour and the feeling it gives. There are drawbacks like the loss of sense of taste, smelly clothes, reduced lung capacity and the various diseases that you risk by smoking. But it's my choice and I'm exercising it by buying that tobacco, buying those filters, buying those papers, rolling myself a cigarette, lighting it and savouring that unmistakably cancerous feeling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Should suicide be allowed then? Anyway, you're probably costing the state a buckload of money in medical bills for your shortsightedness.
.......
My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking.
My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, it wont cost nearly as much as the constant lung patient next to me.
And, it isnt a war on cost, it's about the dmg he inflicted on himself costing.
My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You realize if we didn't have all these people who smoke, or who could be healthy but instead are obese, or who don't take carte of themselves at all, the health care system would be nowhere near overtaxed. Do you know how much we spend annualy on paying for people's bad behaviors? That's coming out of your taxes, and more importantly out of your future hospital bills.
My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old[...] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, you're going to want all the medical benefits your government is willing to offer to treat the problems that will come naturally as you age, but at least the risk of those ailments being serious is lessened if the lifestyle was fairly healthy.
<!--QuoteBegin-Euoplocephalus+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Euoplocephalus)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Health wise, is a bit more complicated. I think we live too long. I have a grandfather currently slowly dieing from alzhiemers. I don't ever want that, or even to live to be 90 and more or less healthy, but to old to care for myself effectivly. With this sort of out look on life the idea of dieing from lung cancer when your 60 doesn't seem so bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can definitely understand not wanting to go through a period of your life where you're dependent on other people. But please recognize that lung cancer isn't all you're putting yourself at risk of getting. With all of us here, it's very likely that for genetic reasons, we'll all develop different issues with our bodies as we age -- the sort of things just as likely to happen whether or not we smoke. Some may find ourselves getting arthritis. Some may find our eyesight worsening.
If the problems you may develop are worsened by a history of smoking, you could find that you've put yourself into just the sort of situation you were trying to avoid.
From the sound of it, you're certainly not the stereotypical heavy smoker at the moment. For your sake, I hope your willpower keeps the addiction rate held at bay in the future as well as it has this far.
And if you have the time, you may want to consider looking into your family's health history for the reasons stated above.
It's actually a fairly simple physical principle.
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[''''''''' c´ [''''''''<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--><From side on> The I=== is the tongue, the bits above and below are the lips. The basic principle is to control how the smoke is forced out of your mouth. Then tongue needs to be curled down a bit to provide a perpendicular surface with which to push out the smoke. The tongue is pushed forwards (2nd ASCI diag.)It will create currents of air that spin round while travelling away from your mouth (the little c's).
It seems like I've lost a few of you... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well that sounds...simple. Need more cigars now.
Yeah, and we should cut off support for those good for nothing terminally ill cancer patients and those mentally/physically disabled people, Why should we have to pay to keep someone else alive? Pfft! They wanna get up outta them wheelchairs and HOE SOME FIELDS, SLACKERS.
I also enjoy smoking, as I do not smoke straight tobacco; I was hooked on cloves. Far smoother, and the scent is exponentially less objectionable. When I was visiting friends and having one on their stoop, the upstairs neighbor came down and asked if the other next-door neighbor was burning incense.
Sure, they'll make your lungs bleed if you're an idiot about it and smoke too many a day. The up side is, if you don't have any for three days, the effects have fully cleared out of your system. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Though I honestly use it more as a protest against the mindless wave of Atkins-friendly morons out here subsisting entirely on tofu, wheat germ and cultured algae. There's something satisfying about having one stop you to tell you that it's unhealthy, and giving them a good lungful in the face before simply stating 'I know.' and walking on.
My point was that even if you don't smoke, don't drink, eat right, exercise, live in the country, diet, whatever, you're still going to die. AND you're still going to want to be entitled to state benefits, free medical, etc when you get old. So don't jump up and down on peoples backs for smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's self-centered ideas such as yours that are the root of the problem. For once in your life, think of the others around you that would be affected by your careless acts, be it your family, friends, or whoever.
About as irresponsible as it is to, say.. drive a car around people. Or burn anything.
<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's self-centered ideas such as yours that are the root of the problem. For once in your life, think of the others around you that would be affected by your careless acts, be it your family, friends, or whoever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well damn, who said I smoked? Assuming git.
About as irresponsible as it is to, say.. drive a car around people. Or burn anything.
<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's self-centered ideas such as yours that are the root of the problem. For once in your life, think of the others around you that would be affected by your careless acts, be it your family, friends, or whoever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well damn, who said I smoked? Assuming git. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You got the warnings on the pack, there's no excuse.
Anyway, what do you mean with drive a car around people or burn anything??
Anyway, what do you mean with drive a car around people or burn anything?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Warnings? What? What are you talking about..
And isn't polluting the atmosphere and pumping smoke into everyone elses lungs, usually including yours a lot more irresponsible than polluting your body?
You, sir, are the pinnacle of cool.