EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 02:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 02:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You got the warnings on the pack, there's no excuse. Anyway, what do you mean with drive a car around people or burn anything?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Warnings? What? What are you talking about..
And isn't polluting the atmosphere and pumping smoke into everyone elses lungs, usually including yours a lot more irresponsible than polluting your body? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nope, it doesnt cause near the amount of damage to your body as smoking.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nope, it doesnt cause near the amount of damage to your body as smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yeah.. I mean.. That O-zone hole is due to smokers. Definately.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
/me points at talesin
cloves ftw, I had a friend who smoked those things, you always knew he was coming b/c this nice smell wafted through the hallways. I would have people stop talking and say... what is that smell? My response was always just to point at the guy in the trench coat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I gota say, I agree with him on the jerks that insist on stuffing their noses in your buissness. They get what they deserve.
I find it just as wrong as lecturing people on sexual preferances, dress, language, or other 'moral' issues (militent vegans)
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 02:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nope, it doesnt cause near the amount of damage to your body as smoking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yeah.. I mean.. That O-zone hole is due to smokers. Definately. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Irrelevant.
Thansal, if you think this has any resemblance to dresscode, sexual preference, language. You're sadly mistaken, we have already given you the reasons in this thread.
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-R A C+Feb 10 2005, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C @ Feb 10 2005, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It tasted so fricken nasty. It gave me a nice relaxing feeling, but I don't think it was worth the nasty taste. I also think I inhaled too much too quickly as I was light headed and dizzy after I had smoked 3/4 of it. And that was only like 1 minute after I started. I should of smoked it slower, but I did it outside and it was cold out (I live in Minnesota) and I wanted to do it quickly. I didn't even finish the stupid thing because I got light headed. I definitely didn't feel very cool doing it. I just tried it out of curiousity. It also left a nasty taste in my mouth. I doubt I'll ever do it again. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> atta boy
I've never liked tobacco, it costs to much, it makes you smell bad, does a number on the lungs. Mostly fiends do it ^__^
Cigarettes when first used can give you a tremendous headbuzz. People have told me to take a drag when I tell them I don't smoke, and I have to humour them but don't just straight inhale <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> get a puff of smoke in your mouth, then inhale and exhale for maximum buzz effect, plus it's alot less harsh.
BUT THATS BESIDES THE POINT! THEY ARE THE DEVIL
also if you didn't try them and use them at a young age you probably won't get addicted, but again thats besides the point cause your not going to be using them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 03:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 03:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 09:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 09:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Irrelevant. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Rofl, yeah! O-Zone? PFFFT! WHO CARES?! I DON'T! THE ECONOMY IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that different from some of your stuff that is made in sweatshops in thailand. Futher more, it's the glasshouse effect the release of CO2 will cause, it's the freon that destroy the ozonelayer.
We're talking about some of your actions are costing other people money, not the ozonelayer.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 09:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We're talking about some of your actions are costing other people money, not the ozonelayer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm talking about your actions costing me my planet. I think that's more important. Also, what the ****? Do I have to say again that I don't smoke! I love how you guys are like DAMN. HE DOESN'T MIND SMOKERS HE MUST BE A SMOKER. EVIL, DIE HE MUST DIE. So I also must be a homosexual transsexual black firefighter hippy for supporting all those other causes, damn!
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 09:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, the way I said "your actions" I was talking to a hypothetically smoker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OH RIGHT. Of course. I bet kwikloader was being hypothetical too.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 11 2005, 03:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 11 2005, 03:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 09:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, the way I said "your actions" I was talking to a hypothetically smoker. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> OH RIGHT. Of course. I bet kwikloader was being hypothetical too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No need to take everything personal.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 09:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 09:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No need to take everything personal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, damn. Sorry. I should've just let you and kwikloader tell me I was exploiting third world countries, ruining my body and others, ruining GREAT AMERICAN ECONOMY with my gigantic medical bills. (wouldn't the revenue from my cigarette purchases actually help the economy?) That would've been more polite.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
F.A.O. All the people crying in the thread about passive smoking.
When your mummies and daddies all stop driving you around in their ecologically and economically devastating, inferiority-complex mobiles, belching out thousands of gallons of carcinogenic pollutants and you personally decide to eschew the usage of private transport, <b>then</b> I'll be willing to discuss giving up my habit.
<b>It's not the most pleasant of habits, but as far as health damaging, atmosphere polluting past times go, it isn't a fraction of the problem that cars are.</b>
Get a clue. Life's about give and take. Some people take more. Car owners take the most.
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Feb 11 2005, 09:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Feb 11 2005, 09:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> F.A.O. All the people crying in the thread about passive smoking.
When your mummies and daddies all stop driving you around in their ecologically and economically devastating, inferiority-complex mobiles, belching out thousands of gallons of carcinogenic pollutants and you personally decide to eschew the usage of private transport, <b>then</b> I'll be willing to discuss giving up my habit.
<b>It's not the most pleasant of habits, but as far as health damaging, atmosphere polluting past times go, it isn't a fraction of the problem that cars are.</b>
Get a clue. Life's about give and take. Some people take more. Car owners take the most. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Word.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited February 2005
Uh, you proved the selfishness of others, but not disproved the selfishness of smoking. Not to mention cars have a utlity whereas selfish pleasure. Stastically, I think most smookers uses the card as much as the non smookers per person. 1+1 = 2?
cloves ftw, I had a friend who smoked those things, you always knew he was coming b/c this nice smell wafted through the hallways. I would have people stop talking and say... what is that smell? My response was always just to point at the guy in the trench coat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I gota say, I agree with him on the jerks that insist on stuffing their noses in your buissness. They get what they deserve.
I find it just as wrong as lecturing people on sexual preferances, dress, language, or other 'moral' issues (militent vegans) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If someone's smoking on the train (where they aren't supposed to in the UK), I'll give them an earful. It's bad enough that it stinks and causes my clothes to stink too, but it tends to trigger off my asthma/exacerbate my ezcema.
I don't care what you do to yourself, just don't make other people suffer because of it.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
And on the subject of narcotics in general, to quote Bill Hicks,
"See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal flipping high on drugs, man."
Like computer games, they can waste your life or they can make it better. It's a matter of context.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 03:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, you proved the selfishness of others, but not disproved the selfishness of smoking. Not to mention cars have a utlity whereas selfish pleasure. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So what if cars have a useful purpose. Their purpose can be served just as well by not using them.
The <b>issue</b> is choice of one person weighed against the needs of the many.
We are all selfish. We all weigh our needs before those of others. What we can choose to do with smoking at least is to minimise any negative consequences of our smoking, by say, for example, not smoking around non-smokers.
Car drivers do not have that option. All car driving, beyond the absolute neccessary, is a prime example of one person causing massive quantities of harm due to their own selfishness.
Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?
<i>"I'd quit smoking if i didn't think i'd become one of you"</i> ~ Bill Hicks on anti-smokers.
Sometimes i feel i smoke just to spite rabid anti-smokers, as a way of saying a big <b>**** you</b> to people that bug the hell out of me with their ignorance and presumptions.
But then i realise that i've been addicted for the last 7 years, and dispite many attempts at quitting i lack the willpower to do so. Hell, i'm smoking right now.
Let me clue you into a small fact i know, and it may surprise you. Smoking is harmful, and as a smoker of many years, i <i>know</i> smoking is harmful. You'd be hard pressed to find a single smoker that didn't know that smoking was harmful. We've all seen the commercials, read the health warnings and had rude anti-smokers bug the hell out of us.
For a lot of smokers, we want to quit, and we would discourage people from starting. I've helped 2 friends quit smoking and actively stopped them from ever starting again, you know why? Because i know it's harmful. I know first hand it's harmful. I would love to quit, it would save me a lot of money and stop any further damage to my body than i've already done in the past 22 years of my life.
Want to know what doesn't help stop? Anti-smokers who feel that it's their life's work to make you feel like a murdering scumbag because you smoke. Nicotine, the thing we all smoke for, is an extremely addictive chemical, but it's effects help relieve a lot of stress and relax you a hell of a lot.
Try and guess from the following two options which would make a smoker have a cigarette:<ul><li> Leaving them alone, thus causing no stress and no anxiety</li><li> Bugging the hell out of them, blame them for your health problems, blaming them for making the world worse and making them feel guilty about a <b>chemical addiction</b>.</li></ul> For those of you who aren't clueless, yes, the latter would be what would cause a smoker to have another cigarette. Every time one of you whining bastards feels the need to persecute me or someone else about their <b>addiction</b>, that makes me light up a cigarette to relax myself from a more aggitated state. Congratulations, through your anti-smoking drivel you've just encouraged me to have another cigarette and prolong my addiction! You're a goddamned saint, you know.
In my life i've tried / used on a regular basis Alcahol, Nicotine, Tetrahydrocannabinol, Amphetamine, Cocaine, Acid and sometimes a combination. I've put my body through a hell of a lot of punishment, but it's my body, i've read into the dangers with each one and read facts, but those were my choices. Right now, all i have is my beer for night's out and my nicotine to stop me tearing someone's head off, probably an anti-smoker.
In short: Yes, we know smokings bad, but you're not helping anyone by piling on stress and guilt, all you're doing is forcing people to light up another cigarette to relax them from the stress that <b>you</b> have caused.
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Feb 11 2005, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Feb 11 2005, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...Let me clue you into a small fact i know, and it may surprise you. Smoking is harmful, and as a smoker of many years, i <i>know</i> smoking is harmful. You'd be hard pressed to find a single smoker that didn't know that smoking was harmful. We've all seen the commercials, read the health warnings and had rude anti-smokers bug the hell out of us... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is why they should just give up on those anti-smoking adverts. All they do is gross <i>everyone</i> out and waste money. The number of smokers in the UK hasn't gone down, but the number of cigerrete cover-boxes has gone up dramatically ever since they've put SMOKING KILLS on the front of cig boxes.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Feb 11 2005, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Feb 11 2005, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Feb 11 2005, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Feb 11 2005, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...Let me clue you into a small fact i know, and it may surprise you. Smoking is harmful, and as a smoker of many years, i <i>know</i> smoking is harmful. You'd be hard pressed to find a single smoker that didn't know that smoking was harmful. We've all seen the commercials, read the health warnings and had rude anti-smokers bug the hell out of us... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is why they should just give up on those anti-smoking adverts. All they do is gross <i>everyone</i> out and waste money. The number of smokers in the UK hasn't gone down, but the number of cigerrete cover-boxes has gone up dramatically ever since they've put SMOKING KILLS on the front of cig boxes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wouldn't say they're entirely useless. Personally, i'm not easily affected by them, due to the fact i'm well aware that it's harmful, causes so-and-so disease and contains what's-it's-name chemicals, which will ultimately leave me dead, disabled, sterile, exploded or fat, but i'm sure some people out there have been affected by them.
Well, the number of smokers hasn't been noticably affected by them.
That one where the chunks of raw fat drips from the cigs of the smokers in a pub always makes my sister reach for her pack. It's also not nice to see a guy with a hole in his throat when you're eating dinner. >.<
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Esuna, realize my comments are entirely directed to the live strong, die young crowd. I cant tell you how to live, however I can give my opinion of on this board. You shouldnt do anything just to spite them, I realize they are annoying, but they are just that, not the worst crowd out there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lots of people feel smokers doesnt deserve all those money which could be spent otherwise on other cases. Thus giving cause for anti-free medical care voices which will hurt more people in the end.
<!--QuoteBegin-R A C+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This was definitely one of the stupidest things I've ever done.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Without meaning to be offensive: You sir have not lived of your life so far to its fullest.
I have so many points to make on this; my Mum who gave up after 30 years of 4 to 5 packs a day just like that, from being a chimney to a non smoker in the space of waking up one morning, putting on her slippers, walking down stairs and throwing them all away and never looking back. 6 years ago; to the works and opinions of the late Bill Hicks that Spacer and esuna have mentioned, which I agree with almost completly - and I dont smoke.
But Im not in a totally coherent mod atm, so I won't.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Esuna, realize my comments are entirely directed to the live strong, die young crowd. I cant tell you how to live, however I can give my opinion of on this board. You shouldnt do anything just to spite them, I realize they are annoying, but they are just that, not the worst crowd out there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lots of people feel smokers doesnt deserve all those money which could be spent otherwise on other cases. Thus giving cause for anti-free medical care voices which will hurt more people in the end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Smoking in the UK raises around £8.5Bn a year in excise tax alone.
The cost of treating smokers in the UK is around £1.5Bn.
That's before you even begin to take into account that smoking reduces the number of people reaching or living long into retirement.
Add to that around a half billion a year in taxable profits from the two major British tobacco resellers. Then add all the tax taken from people selling cigarettes in the UK.
Even including the £200m a year that smoking related illnesses cause British industry, you have to realise that with the current inefficient and exploitative society we have, smoking is a big earner.
<!--QuoteBegin-big jim+Feb 11 2005, 10:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (big jim @ Feb 11 2005, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-R A C+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (R A C)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This was definitely one of the stupidest things I've ever done.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Without meaning to be offensive: You sir have not lived of your life so far to its fullest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How so? He tried it, but didn't like it. What's he missing?
[Edited out this bit. I just remembered we're not allowed to talk about drugs on here, IIRC.]
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Feb 11 2005, 03:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Feb 11 2005, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Esuna, realize my comments are entirely directed to the live strong, die young crowd. I cant tell you how to live, however I can give my opinion of on this board. You shouldnt do anything just to spite them, I realize they are annoying, but they are just that, not the worst crowd out there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lots of people feel smokers doesnt deserve all those money which could be spent otherwise on other cases. Thus giving cause for anti-free medical care voices which will hurt more people in the end. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Smoking in the UK raises around £8.5Bn a year in excise tax alone.
The cost of treating smokers in the UK is around £1.5Bn.
That's before you even begin to take into account that smoking reduces the number of people reaching or living long into retirement.
Add to that around a half billion a year in taxable profits from the two major British tobacco resellers. Then add all the tax taken from people selling cigarettes in the UK.
Even including the £200m a year that smoking related illnesses cause British industry, you have to realise that with the current inefficient and exploitative society we have, smoking is a big earner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If those figures are right, then the world sucks. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Feb 11 2005, 09:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Feb 11 2005, 09:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thansal, if you think this has any resemblance to dresscode, sexual preference, language. You're sadly mistaken, we have already given you the reasons in this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I am not talking about enforced tihngs (like dress codes) I am simply talking about those bastd's that stop in the street to tell me to cut my hair, or that go out of their way to scream *** and my friends.
And as I have said before, most smoker KNOW it is an odious habit and will stop if you ask them POLITELY! ("scuse me, could you put that out I am alergic/have emphazema etc")
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Anyway, what do you mean with drive a car around people or burn anything?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Warnings? What? What are you talking about..
And isn't polluting the atmosphere and pumping smoke into everyone elses lungs, usually including yours a lot more irresponsible than polluting your body? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nope, it doesnt cause near the amount of damage to your body as smoking.
Oh yeah.. I mean..
That O-zone hole is due to smokers. Definately.
cloves ftw, I had a friend who smoked those things, you always knew he was coming b/c this nice smell wafted through the hallways. I would have people stop talking and say... what is that smell? My response was always just to point at the guy in the trench coat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I gota say, I agree with him on the jerks that insist on stuffing their noses in your buissness. They get what they deserve.
I find it just as wrong as lecturing people on sexual preferances, dress, language, or other 'moral' issues (militent vegans)
Oh yeah.. I mean..
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Irrelevant.
Thansal, if you think this has any resemblance to dresscode, sexual preference, language. You're sadly mistaken, we have already given you the reasons in this thread.
Rofl, yeah!
O-Zone? PFFFT! WHO CARES?! I DON'T! THE ECONOMY IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT.
atta boy
I've never liked tobacco, it costs to much, it makes you smell bad, does a number on the lungs. Mostly fiends do it ^__^
Cigarettes when first used can give you a tremendous headbuzz. People have told me to take a drag when I tell them I don't smoke, and I have to humour them but don't just straight inhale <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> get a puff of smoke in your mouth, then inhale and exhale for maximum buzz effect, plus it's alot less harsh.
BUT THATS BESIDES THE POINT! THEY ARE THE DEVIL
also if you didn't try them and use them at a young age you probably won't get addicted, but again thats besides the point cause your not going to be using them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Rofl, yeah!
O-Zone? PFFFT! WHO CARES?! I DON'T! THE ECONOMY IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is that different from some of your stuff that is made in sweatshops in thailand.
Futher more, it's the glasshouse effect the release of CO2 will cause, it's the freon that destroy the ozonelayer.
We're talking about some of your actions are costing other people money, not the ozonelayer.
I'm talking about your actions costing me my planet. I think that's more important.
Also, what the ****? Do I have to say again that I don't smoke! I love how you guys are like DAMN. HE DOESN'T MIND SMOKERS HE MUST BE A SMOKER. EVIL, DIE HE MUST DIE.
So I also must be a homosexual transsexual black firefighter hippy for supporting all those other causes, damn!
OH RIGHT. Of course. I bet kwikloader was being hypothetical too.
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No need to take everything personal.
Yeah, damn. Sorry.
I should've just let you and kwikloader tell me I was exploiting third world countries, ruining my body and others, ruining GREAT AMERICAN ECONOMY with my gigantic medical bills. (wouldn't the revenue from my cigarette purchases actually help the economy?)
That would've been more polite.
When your mummies and daddies all stop driving you around in their ecologically and economically devastating, inferiority-complex mobiles, belching out thousands of gallons of carcinogenic pollutants and you personally decide to eschew the usage of private transport, <b>then</b> I'll be willing to discuss giving up my habit.
<b>It's not the most pleasant of habits, but as far as health damaging, atmosphere polluting past times go, it isn't a fraction of the problem that cars are.</b>
Get a clue. Life's about give and take. Some people take more. Car owners take the most.
When your mummies and daddies all stop driving you around in their ecologically and economically devastating, inferiority-complex mobiles, belching out thousands of gallons of carcinogenic pollutants and you personally decide to eschew the usage of private transport, <b>then</b> I'll be willing to discuss giving up my habit.
<b>It's not the most pleasant of habits, but as far as health damaging, atmosphere polluting past times go, it isn't a fraction of the problem that cars are.</b>
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Word.
Not to mention cars have a utlity whereas selfish pleasure.
Stastically, I think most smookers uses the card as much as the non smookers per person.
1+1 = 2?
cloves ftw, I had a friend who smoked those things, you always knew he was coming b/c this nice smell wafted through the hallways. I would have people stop talking and say... what is that smell? My response was always just to point at the guy in the trench coat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I gota say, I agree with him on the jerks that insist on stuffing their noses in your buissness. They get what they deserve.
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If someone's smoking on the train (where they aren't supposed to in the UK), I'll give them an earful. It's bad enough that it stinks and causes my clothes to stink too, but it tends to trigger off my asthma/exacerbate my ezcema.
I don't care what you do to yourself, just don't make other people suffer because of it.
"See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal flipping high on drugs, man."
Like computer games, they can waste your life or they can make it better. It's a matter of context.
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So what if cars have a useful purpose. Their purpose can be served just as well by not using them.
The <b>issue</b> is choice of one person weighed against the needs of the many.
We are all selfish. We all weigh our needs before those of others. What we can choose to do with smoking at least is to minimise any negative consequences of our smoking, by say, for example, not smoking around non-smokers.
Car drivers do not have that option. All car driving, beyond the absolute neccessary, is a prime example of one person causing massive quantities of harm due to their own selfishness.
Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?
Sometimes i feel i smoke just to spite rabid anti-smokers, as a way of saying a big <b>**** you</b> to people that bug the hell out of me with their ignorance and presumptions.
But then i realise that i've been addicted for the last 7 years, and dispite many attempts at quitting i lack the willpower to do so. Hell, i'm smoking right now.
Let me clue you into a small fact i know, and it may surprise you. Smoking is harmful, and as a smoker of many years, i <i>know</i> smoking is harmful. You'd be hard pressed to find a single smoker that didn't know that smoking was harmful. We've all seen the commercials, read the health warnings and had rude anti-smokers bug the hell out of us.
For a lot of smokers, we want to quit, and we would discourage people from starting. I've helped 2 friends quit smoking and actively stopped them from ever starting again, you know why? Because i know it's harmful. I know first hand it's harmful. I would love to quit, it would save me a lot of money and stop any further damage to my body than i've already done in the past 22 years of my life.
Want to know what doesn't help stop? Anti-smokers who feel that it's their life's work to make you feel like a murdering scumbag because you smoke. Nicotine, the thing we all smoke for, is an extremely addictive chemical, but it's effects help relieve a lot of stress and relax you a hell of a lot.
Try and guess from the following two options which would make a smoker have a cigarette:<ul><li> Leaving them alone, thus causing no stress and no anxiety</li><li> Bugging the hell out of them, blame them for your health problems, blaming them for making the world worse and making them feel guilty about a <b>chemical addiction</b>.</li></ul>
For those of you who aren't clueless, yes, the latter would be what would cause a smoker to have another cigarette. Every time one of you whining bastards feels the need to persecute me or someone else about their <b>addiction</b>, that makes me light up a cigarette to relax myself from a more aggitated state. Congratulations, through your anti-smoking drivel you've just encouraged me to have another cigarette and prolong my addiction! You're a goddamned saint, you know.
In my life i've tried / used on a regular basis Alcahol, Nicotine, Tetrahydrocannabinol, Amphetamine, Cocaine, Acid and sometimes a combination. I've put my body through a hell of a lot of punishment, but it's my body, i've read into the dangers with each one and read facts, but those were my choices. Right now, all i have is my beer for night's out and my nicotine to stop me tearing someone's head off, probably an anti-smoker.
In short: Yes, we know smokings bad, but you're not helping anyone by piling on stress and guilt, all you're doing is forcing people to light up another cigarette to relax them from the stress that <b>you</b> have caused.
This is why they should just give up on those anti-smoking adverts. All they do is gross <i>everyone</i> out and waste money. The number of smokers in the UK hasn't gone down, but the number of cigerrete cover-boxes has gone up dramatically ever since they've put SMOKING KILLS on the front of cig boxes.
This is why they should just give up on those anti-smoking adverts. All they do is gross <i>everyone</i> out and waste money. The number of smokers in the UK hasn't gone down, but the number of cigerrete cover-boxes has gone up dramatically ever since they've put SMOKING KILLS on the front of cig boxes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't say they're entirely useless. Personally, i'm not easily affected by them, due to the fact i'm well aware that it's harmful, causes so-and-so disease and contains what's-it's-name chemicals, which will ultimately leave me dead, disabled, sterile, exploded or fat, but i'm sure some people out there have been affected by them.
That one where the chunks of raw fat drips from the cigs of the smokers in a pub always makes my sister reach for her pack. It's also not nice to see a guy with a hole in his throat when you're eating dinner. >.<
You shouldnt do anything just to spite them, I realize they are annoying, but they are just that, not the worst crowd out there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lots of people feel smokers doesnt deserve all those money which could be spent otherwise on other cases. Thus giving cause for anti-free medical care voices which will hurt more people in the end.
Without meaning to be offensive: You sir have not lived of your life so far to its fullest.
I have so many points to make on this; my Mum who gave up after 30 years of 4 to 5 packs a day just like that, from being a chimney to a non smoker in the space of waking up one morning, putting on her slippers, walking down stairs and throwing them all away and never looking back. 6 years ago; to the works and opinions of the late Bill Hicks that Spacer and esuna have mentioned, which I agree with almost completly - and I dont smoke.
But Im not in a totally coherent mod atm, so I won't.
You shouldnt do anything just to spite them, I realize they are annoying, but they are just that, not the worst crowd out there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Smoking is selfish, passive smoking is bad, but what's your point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lots of people feel smokers doesnt deserve all those money which could be spent otherwise on other cases. Thus giving cause for anti-free medical care voices which will hurt more people in the end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Smoking in the UK raises around £8.5Bn a year in excise tax alone.
The cost of treating smokers in the UK is around £1.5Bn.
That's before you even begin to take into account that smoking reduces the number of people reaching or living long into retirement.
Add to that around a half billion a year in taxable profits from the two major British tobacco resellers. Then add all the tax taken from people selling cigarettes in the UK.
Even including the £200m a year that smoking related illnesses cause British industry, you have to realise that with the current inefficient and exploitative society we have, smoking is a big earner.
Without meaning to be offensive: You sir have not lived of your life so far to its fullest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How so? He tried it, but didn't like it. What's he missing?
[Edited out this bit. I just remembered we're not allowed to talk about drugs on here, IIRC.]
You shouldnt do anything just to spite them, I realize they are annoying, but they are just that, not the worst crowd out there.
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Lots of people feel smokers doesnt deserve all those money which could be spent otherwise on other cases. Thus giving cause for anti-free medical care voices which will hurt more people in the end. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Smoking in the UK raises around £8.5Bn a year in excise tax alone.
The cost of treating smokers in the UK is around £1.5Bn.
That's before you even begin to take into account that smoking reduces the number of people reaching or living long into retirement.
Add to that around a half billion a year in taxable profits from the two major British tobacco resellers. Then add all the tax taken from people selling cigarettes in the UK.
Even including the £200m a year that smoking related illnesses cause British industry, you have to realise that with the current inefficient and exploitative society we have, smoking is a big earner. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If those figures are right, then the world sucks. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am not talking about enforced tihngs (like dress codes) I am simply talking about those bastd's that stop in the street to tell me to cut my hair, or that go out of their way to scream *** and my friends.
And as I have said before, most smoker KNOW it is an odious habit and will stop if you ask them POLITELY! ("scuse me, could you put that out I am alergic/have emphazema etc")