<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Althought I think the ISD has the power to destroy the Enterprise D, do you have any idea how fast full impulse is? I doubt even computer assisted targeting could hit the Enterprise. Also, the ISD's guns cannot depress down far enough for all the turbolasers and ion cannons to hit the Enterprise, were as all the Enterprise weapons can hit the ISD.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-ANH novelisation+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANH novelisation)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With his instrumentation not providing proper information, and at the altitude he was traveling, Porkins' ship was simple for one of the big, clumsy gun emplacements to track. It did as it designers had intended it should. Porkins' demise was as glorious as it was abrupt.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The DS 1 heavy guns had little trouble tracking a level flying X-wing. How is a larger, less manuverable craft going to escape a hit? Also, Star Destroyers have few avenues of approach without guns defending
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The advantage the ISD has is that hyperspace travel is faster then warp based travel. Which isn't really an advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why'd you bring it up then? So you can look good when you come to the conculsion that the Enterprise wins? Keep you arguments on topic, please. <!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The second thing is that having 2 shield generators and shields based in quadrants of the ship, allows weakened shields to be reinforced with energy from other areas of the shields, and have them repaired faster.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->And those sheilds happen to take signficant time to batter down with weapons, which are able to put out at least 200GT shots, when you are only attacking with torpedoes with a maximum theroetical yeild of 64 MT for Photon torpedoes and phasers that have been calaculated to be about 7kT yeilds against sheilding and 1kT against armour.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->All the TIEs can be ignored as snubfighter sized weapons and torps won't have the power to do anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Then why bother having them? Also, in the EU, snub fighter attacks can damage SW capital ships with sufficient numbers.
A volley of fighter scale proton torpedoes from the TIE/B wing would seriously mess up the Ent-D. Why? Because Proton torpedoes are <i>at very least</i> 1kT (Star Wars Technical Journal, which is contradicted by other higher canonicity data), however, the 15kT Hiroshima bomb could fit within the casing, so increasing the probable minimum to 15kT. (A reasonable assumption for a lower limit, given the level of power generation demonstrated) Those bombers (5-12) could easily give the Enterprise some seroius difficulties.
<!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+ Mar 12 2004, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Mar 12 2004, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How is this even a contest? Geordi can just reverse the polarity of something and then emit a tachyon blast / beam, GAME OVER.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->He needs time to spew all his bull to the captain, then have Worf go "What the F?", it be explained to him using all sorts of jargon so that he doesn't get enlightened one bit, then Jeordi has to do the whole "Reverse polarity of the Barionic Upgrader Lima Loops, while re-calibrating the Subspace Halonic Inversion Transducer" (Treknobabble! Fun! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->) to produce the blast.
The ISD just needs the order "Fire at that ship" passed to its weapon batteries, and they don't use runners to carry the messages. The gunners and physics do the rest. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ISD istelf doesn't need to fight the Enterprise, that is what the fighters are for. Sure, the Enterprise might take out a few before it gets crippled, but there are wave after wave of fighters on those things (ever play Xwing, trust me, there are alot of them) and since the enterprise is made for basically ship to ship deuling, and the Empire is evil, viscious and doesn't play by the rules, the ISD would win.
Also, the Star Wars Universe is just as possible as the Star Trek Universe, its just the Star Wars universe focuses more on fighting and action and the Star Trek Universe seems to focus on exploration.
Also, the only time you ever hear any storm trooper set something to stun is when the want to capture princess Leia, other than that, its set to full death all the time, whereas in Star Trek it always seems like they were setting their phasers to stun.
"Shaka, at Tenagra, when the walls fell" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The odds are stacked against the Enterprise... just like they are in just about every Trek episode... but does the Enterprise pull through??! YES! some pseudoscientific revelation or twist of fate ensures that the Enterprise never REALLY loses, except maybe in some cliffhanger episodes... trek is about intelligence, wars is about power -- the trek ppl will think their way out of this one!
I'm just rooting for the underdog... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
really, though, since the star wars ship is obviously a lot bigger, wouldn't a better question be, like, who would win -- the Federation from Trek or the Empire from Wars?
The Enterprise cannot normally bring all of its weapons to bare because of the scale of Star Trek ships. I severly doubt that every single photon torpedo tube and phaser bank cannot at least target a part of a 2km long ship.
The DS1 turrets had little trouble targeting the ships going along the run because those ships were flying in straight lines for kilometers of a narrow trench. They're not exactly hard to miss. A ISD cannot hit snubfighters at all. It was one of the Empires greatest problems. Its why they developed the Lancer frigate. The only way its gonna hit an X-wing is if it pumps out every shot at random and hopes it hits. Once a heay turbolaser does hit tho.....ouch.
I'm bring this up because going off 3rd party information, which I know sucks, but I trust the guy who told me, and hes read alot of the Star Trek fact files. According to him full impulse is 1/3rd light speed. No way will the ISD hit that. Of course this is going off 3rd party information so feel free to prove this wrong easily.
Now about the TIE bombers. A capital ship is not scared of snubfighter sized weapons. The only way those torps work, is because they're all fired at precisely the same point, completely overloading the ship's shields, and providing more energy and therefore damage then 1 torp could ever hope to. Those torps will simply never hit the same point, nor will it overload the shields as they do in SW, as the Enterprise doesn't use shields based in quadrants.
Infact, why don't we comment on the fact the shuttles can shoot down the bombers and torps far before they hit the Enterprise?
And Bill Door, I was listing all the evidence I knew as to which ship is superior. You seem to think I was against the ISD from the moment I started typing. I wasn't. The ISD's shields are an advantage to me, not a disadvantage as you seem to to think I thought they were.
<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Mar 12 2004, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Mar 12 2004, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The odds are stacked against the Enterprise... just like they are in just about every Trek episode... but does the Enterprise pull through??! YES! some pseudoscientific revelation or twist of fate ensures that the Enterprise never REALLY loses, except maybe in some cliffhanger episodes... trek is about intelligence, wars is about power -- the trek ppl will think their way out of this one! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. The Enterprise will win because they're the good guys.
Picard: I don't want to have to have to destroy them.
*Enterprise gets beaten up*
Picard: Fire all phasers!
*phasers do bugger all*
Picard: Report!
Nameless Ensign #1: No effect sir, they are roxx0ring our boxx0rings.
Picard: Stop trying to pad out your roll Ensign and get back to pressing random buttons.
Data: Captain, our chance of victory is only blah blah blah percent, logic logic logic logic <i>logic</i>
Picard: Good point Data. Geordi?
Geordi: Well, we could re-modulate the E.P.S conduits to emmit a tachyon pulse of 5500 cochrens, which will reverse the polarity of our shields to create a hole in the space-time continuum which will distabilise the structural integrety of the Star Destroyer.
Picard: Make it so!
Nameless Ensign #1: Sir, they're firing!
*Big explosion, screen shakes around, people fall off their chairs, console explodes killing Nameless Ensign #1*
*stormtroopers start pwning enterprise security, except Worf who headbutts 50 of them to death single handed. All crew have torn clothing and minor cuts at this point regardless of whether they were actually in the fight. The screen also keeps shaking at random intervals so that we don't forget that they're under attack*
Picard: Geordi, I need whatever it was you were going to do, NOW
Scotty: I cannae deny the laws of physics sir!
Picard: This is no time for a cameo you old git, Geordi, now!
Geordi: I'm on it sir!
*Cool special effect, star destroyer goes boom*
Picard: Report.
Riker: The enemy ship has been destroyed sir!
Bridge Crew: Yaaaay!
*Remaining stormtrooper boarding parties and enemy fighters mysteriously disapear. The enterprise's communication system is conveniently fixed at this point, because naturally it was their first priority to repair it in the middle of a fight. They recieve a message from random federation ship #32 who comes to their aid and tows them to a starbase*
*Riker cracks a joke, Data doesn't get it. Everyone laughs.*
THE END
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<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Mar 12 2004, 06:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Mar 12 2004, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->really, though, since the star wars ship is obviously a lot bigger, wouldn't a better question be, like, who would win -- the Federation from Trek or the Empire from Wars? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> [01:24] <Deathstar_3> Hello Earth! [01:24] <Federation> WTH? [01:25] * Deathstar 3 collects the powerup and wins the game
I think that sums up <i>that</i> "fight". <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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edited March 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Mar 12 2004, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Mar 12 2004, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> who would win -- the Federation from Trek or the Empire from Wars? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As far as Offical Star wars info goes. NOT fan fiction
At the time of the empires greatest strength right before the battle of endor there were actualy 4 Super Class star destroyers; the Executor, Avenger, and Devastator and one not named.
Thats a little known fact. Most people just remember the Executor from the movies b/c it was Darth Vaders flagship.
A<b>t the time there were over 25,000 Imperial 1 or 2 class star destroyers alone.</b> thisDOES NOT count fighters, bombers, support ships, and countless other imperial warships and other classes of ships such as the Victory-class Star Destroyer Victory II-class Star Destroyer Eclipse-class Star Destroyer Sovereign-class Star Destroyer and all the Aegies curisers, heavy imperial dreadnaughts and blablalba im not going to list them all. And the frame of the first death star prototype. (which is is basically jsut a big frame with basic docking thrusters.)
keep in mind that a single class one imperial star destroyer holds 2 TIE fighter squadrons, 1 TIE interceptor squadron and 1 bomber squadron as well as asault gunboats.
So add these up and bang. Quite a fleet to take on.
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I don't think the Federation has a fixed fleet. If there's a big fleet needed, there'll be a big fleet. If the enterprise is in trouble, there'll be no other ships for approximately 17 billion million light years, but there'll be one just at the end to tow them away or something. By the way, the death star would never reach earth. They'd know it was coming, and while the death star was spending a few million years charging its weapon, the defiant would come and pwn it's ****.
You all seem to be forgetting one thing: The empire loses. All it's ships (apart from some that run away), get pwned. The enterprise has never lost. Sure, it's been destroyed a few times, but the crew has always survived, and it always takes out the enemy before it blows up. The star destroyer i remember took out about 2 capital ships then got owned because a Y-Wing crashed into it's cockpit thing (good shields, eh?).
And boarding parties? Come on. Stormtroopers can't aim at all. Data, Picard, Riker and Worf could probably single handedly take over the entire ship. And even if they got captured, they'd escape and set off a self destruct device before they ran off. Darth Vader was only on one of them, and that was a super-star destroyer.
Tie Fighters? No shields at all (if i remember rightly), which would mean a very, very small and light phaser hit would take them out. Have you seen how fast the enterprises phasers can fire, one after another, on a low power setting? Goodbye to the fighter support.
I think that the enterprise would win, because the stardestroyer would be arrogant, and Picard would be calm and calculating, and would find a way of killing them (always does).
And in answer to a previous post: Death Star Vs Borg Cube? Borg, no problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Enterprise cannot normally bring all of its weapons to bare because of the scale of Star Trek ships. I severly doubt that every single photon torpedo tube and phaser bank cannot at least target a part of a 2km long ship.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Thats a 1.6 km ship, and it still can't target all weapons on the ISD. The weapons can't fire through your own ship.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The DS1 turrets had little trouble targeting the ships going along the run because those ships were flying in straight lines for kilometers of a narrow trench. They're not exactly hard to miss. A ISD cannot hit snubfighters at all. It was one of the Empires greatest problems. Its why they developed the Lancer frigate. The only way its gonna hit an X-wing is if it pumps out every shot at random and hopes it hits. Once a heay turbolaser does hit tho.....ouch.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is quite possibly true, but the Galaxy is significantly <b>larger</b> and <b>less maneuverable</b> than an X-wing. See the point?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm bring this up because going off 3rd party information, which I know sucks, but I trust the guy who told me, and hes read alot of the Star Trek fact files. According to him full impulse is 1/3rd light speed. No way will the ISD hit that. Of course this is going off 3rd party information so feel free to prove this wrong easily.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->With enough fuel and reaction mass the ISD would find it easy to reach 1/3 light speed in space. And with thousands of G's of acceleration it wouldn't find it all that difficult. Also (and here is a problem for the 1/3 impulse=1/3 c) at one point the Enterprise went 1/3 impulse in an atmosphere without huge devistation on the planet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now about the TIE bombers. A capital ship is not scared of snubfighter sized weapons. The only way those torps work, is because they're all fired at precisely the same point, completely overloading the ship's shields, and providing more energy and therefore damage then 1 torp could ever hope to. Those torps will simply never hit the same point, nor will it overload the shields as they do in SW, as the Enterprise doesn't use shields based in quadrants.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Negaive on that point. Star Wars capital ships don't worry about a pure snubfighter attack <i>because of their sheilding</i> It just so happens that <i>SW sheilding is much stronger than ST sheilding</i> (It has to be due to the strength of capital scale weaponry and observed lengths of battle) <b>The Star Trek sheilding will not just shrug off Star Wars fighter scale weapons.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Infact, why don't we comment on the fact the shuttles can shoot down the bombers and torps far before they hit the Enterprise?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->You'd like to think so. Except they'd be escorted by the TIE fighters and interceptors. 1kT laser cannon shots are doing to ruin the shuttles day, especially as the TIE interceptors have at least 4 laser cannons and up to 10.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Bill Door, I was listing all the evidence I knew as to which ship is superior. You seem to think I was against the ISD from the moment I started typing. I wasn't. The ISD's shields are an advantage to me, not a disadvantage as you seem to to think I thought they were.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Alright, but you obviously didn't know that the ISD had sheilding orders of magnitude larger than Enterprise and weapons to match that.
<!--QuoteBegin-GreyPaws+ Mar 12 2004, 08:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Mar 12 2004, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Silly star wars fools, Picard would just slingshot around the sun, go back in time and stop the Empire from forming.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He slingshots back into a different timeline and sets off for Coruscant. They all die on the journey.
Picard: I don't want to have to have to destroy them.
*Enterprise gets beaten up*
Picard: Fire all phasers!
*phasers do bugger all*
Picard: Report!
Nameless Ensign #1: No effect sir, they are roxx0ring our boxx0rings.
Picard: Stop trying to pad out your roll Ensign and get back to pressing random buttons.
Data: Captain, our chance of victory is only blah blah blah percent, logic logic logic logic logic
Picard: Good point Data. Geordi?
Geordi: Well, we could re-modulate the E.P.S conduits to emmit a tachyon pulse of 5500 cochrens, which will reverse the polarity of our shields to create a hole in the space-time continuum which will...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Boom! the Enterprise is hit by a volley of fire and turned into a cloud of expanding vapour. Time isn't on their side, and as the Really Bad Guys they don't have to worry about who they're shooting.
Apples and oranges. Star Wars goes for a more fantastic aspect of space battles, where "bigger = better". Star Trek attempts more of a (loosely) realistic aspect of the future, where large ships are extremely rare. For the most part, the ships of Star Trek do not reach the vast scale of the ships in Star Wars, because the two series aim for different styles.
The scorpion hovars without flapping into the battle, the ships go "**** guys, the scorpions are coming" and fly away all the way home. Then the scorpion claps its heels 3 times and gets magically transported to a far away galaxy and meets the lork on teh clorf. They have lorks that hovar without flapping and scorpions on teh clorf babys and live happily evar aftor.
[QUOTE="X_Stickman, Mar 12 2004, 09:22 PM"]I don't think the Federation has a fixed fleet. If there's a big fleet needed, there'll be a big fleet. If the enterprise is in trouble, there'll be no other ships for approximately 17 billion million light years, but there'll be one just at the end to tow them away or something.[/quote]they could only scrape together 39 ships for Wolf.
[quote]By the way, the death star would never reach earth. They'd know it was coming, and while the death star was spending a few million years charging its weapon, the defiant would come and pwn it's ****.[/quote]Really? It pops out of hyperspace above Earth. One shot later, it hyperspaces out. It then takes a day to recharge, and then next target plz. This is supported by ANH, so suck it.
Anyway, the DS is overkill. A three ISDs could turn the Earth into a molten ball, unable to support life for a long time, in 1 hour. see <a href='http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/BaseDeltaZero.html' target='_blank'>here.</a>
[quote]You all seem to be forgetting one thing: The empire loses. All it's ships (apart from some that run away), get pwned. The enterprise has never lost. Sure, it's been destroyed a few times,[/quote]Thank you for contradicing yourself. [quote] but the crew has always survived, and it always takes out the enemy before it blows up.[/quote]against ships of technological parity. There is a huge technological disparity in favour of the Empire here. The star destroyer i remember took out about 2 capital ships then got owned because a Y-Wing crashed into it's cockpit thing (good shields, eh?).[/quote]You missed the "All ships, focus all fire on the Executor" order and the fact that it had previously been rammed by 3 ISD's, before the crash.
[quote]And boarding parties? Come on. Stormtroopers can't aim at all. Data, Picard, Riker and Worf could probably single handedly take over the entire ship. And even if they got captured, they'd escape and set off a self destruct device before they ran off. Darth Vader was only on one of them, and that was a super-star destroyer.[/quote]The Emperor and Darth Vader (in their infinate wisdom [insert rolleyes smilie]) wanted the rebels alive. In ANH it was to find the Rebel base on Yavin 4, TESB it was to capture skywalker and hunt down the rest of the rebels, in ROTJ, wanted Skywalker alive. When they wern't shooting the main characters, the stormies were good shots.
[quote]Tie Fighters? No shields at all (if i remember rightly), which would mean a very, very small and light phaser hit would take them out. Have you seen how fast the enterprises phasers can fire, one after another, on a low power setting? Goodbye to the fighter support.[/quote]Love the way that they can easily hit ships several times the TIE's size and much less maneuverable... Oh wait. They can't <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
[quote]I think that the enterprise would win, because the stardestroyer would be arrogant, and Picard would be calm and calculating, and would find a way of killing them (always does).[/quote] Contary to popular beleif, most imperial commanders are professional military officers. Picard is an explorer and diplomat with out any military training. Who has more experiance? Who is more likely to try and talk his way out of it?
More realistic sitaution: DATA:Captain, we have an inidentified ship on sensors. PICARD: Put it on screen and open a hailing channel. WORF: Large energy spike detected! *Boom. The Enterprise is annihilated by a volley of turbolaser fire.*
[quote] And in answer to a previous post: Death Star Vs Borg Cube? Borg, no problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/QUOTE]Oh, I didn't see any Borg cubes surviving close to the planet exploding in ST Voyager:Scorpion part 1 planetary explosion. Yet the DS1 survived the Alderaan explosion. Hmm.
Drones don't seem to be able to adapt to physical attacks. Hmm, time to break out the flechette launchers.
The Borg cannot adapt to sufficiently high-powered energy weapons. Hmm.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Apples and oranges. Star Wars goes for a more fantastic aspect of space battles, where "bigger = better". Star Trek attempts more of a (loosely) realistic aspect of the future, where large ships are extremely rare. For the most part, the ships of Star Trek do not reach the vast scale of the ships in Star Wars, because the two series aim for different styles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Really? So which side has far more military power than the other <i>in universe</i>. Which side has the better warships <i>in universe</i>
That is what we are comparing. The whole intent of both universes doesn't matter in this debate.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bill Door+Mar 12 2004, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bill Door @ Mar 12 2004, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Really? So which side has far more military power than the other <i>in universe</i>. Which side has the better warships <i>in universe</i>
That is what we are comparing. The whole intent of both universes doesn't matter in this debate. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My point stands.
Try putting a Region 2 DVD in a Region 1 player. Doesn't work. Seems strange, since it would look the same if it was Region 1. Why then doesn't it work? Because it's not compatible.
Try putting a laptop from America into an electrical outlet in Europe. First off, it won't fit. But if you did get it to work, you'd fry your laptop, because the voltage is different. Seems strange, since a laptop from Europe runs the same as a laptop from America. Why doesn't it work then? Because the power source and the object to be powered are not compatible.
Try putting a Mac program on a PC. Weird, even though the product is the same as released for PC, it doesn't work! Wonder why... wait, I know! It's not compatible!
Now try putting a ship from Star Wars into Star Trek. Doesn't work. Why? Because they're not compatible. The universe is definitely in question, regardless of what you claim otherwise.
The laws governing both ships are opposite. Both shows cater to audiences with different tastes. Therefore, they are not bound by the same rules of realism. Because of that, Star Wars ships are grossly oversized, exaggerated for cinematic impact. Star Trek focuses less on the space battles, and more on the operatic undertones of drama.
Think of it this way. Star Wars is the Air Force, Star Trek is the Navy.
This topic was started from the Bear Vs. Lion thread. Interesting - that thread was only made possible because they're in the same universe! Granted, different climates, but the laws that govern the two are the same.
Note, I am not angry, upset, or attempting to flame you. I'm enjoying debating about absolutely nothing, that's all.
Don't the star destroyers have weak underhulls, or some other weakness that was exploited in the movie?
I think the Enterprise could detect something like that and self guided photon torpedos would be kind of hard to stop.
And since the Enterprise is not a warship of the Federation (it's been used for exploration) how about we compare the fact that the Empire was hated by most of the universe, while the Federation would probably be allied with every other race in either universe.
There's no logical reason an Enterprise would battle an ISD alone.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Bill Door+Mar 12 2004, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bill Door @ Mar 12 2004, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Really? So which side has far more military power than the other <i>in universe</i>. Which side has the better warships <i>in universe</i>
That is what we are comparing. The whole intent of both universes doesn't matter in this debate. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My point stands.
Try putting a Region 2 DVD in a Region 1 player. Doesn't work. Seems strange, since it would look the same if it was Region 1. Why then doesn't it work? Because it's not compatible.
Try putting a laptop from America into an electrical outlet in Europe. First off, it won't fit. But if you did get it to work, you'd fry your laptop, because the voltage is different. Seems strange, since a laptop from Europe runs the same as a laptop from America. Why doesn't it work then? Because the power source and the object to be powered are not compatible.
Try putting a Mac program on a PC. Weird, even though the product is the same as released for PC, it doesn't work! Wonder why... wait, I know! It's not compatible!
Now try putting a ship from Star Wars into Star Trek. Doesn't work. Why? Because they're not compatible. The universe is definitely in question, regardless of what you claim otherwise.
The laws governing both ships are opposite. Both shows cater to audiences with different tastes. Therefore, they are not bound by the same rules of realism. Because of that, Star Wars ships are grossly oversized, exaggerated for cinematic impact. Star Trek focuses less on the space battles, and more on the operatic undertones of drama.
Think of it this way. Star Wars is the Air Force, Star Trek is the Navy.
This topic was started from the Bear Vs. Lion thread. Interesting - that thread was only made possible because they're in the same universe! Granted, different climates, but the laws that govern the two are the same.
Note, I am not angry, upset, or attempting to flame you. I'm enjoying debating about absolutely nothing, that's all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> One of the most basic points of the Vs debate is that the abilities of each of the parcipitants will work in the crossover battle, otherwise there is no bloody point to even starting the debate (Not that there is much of one anyway ;) )
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Try putting a Region 2 DVD in a Region 1 player. Doesn't work. Seems strange, since it would look the same if it was Region 1. Why then doesn't it work? Because it's not compatible.
Try putting a Mac program on a PC. Weird, even though the product is the same as released for PC, it doesn't work! Wonder why... wait, I know! It's not compatible!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Different coding. So what? Its possible to get emulators foir Mac programs, and for there to be multi-region players.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Try putting a laptop from America into an electrical outlet in Europe. First off, it won't fit. But if you did get it to work, you'd fry your laptop, because the voltage is different. Seems strange, since a laptop from Europe runs the same as a laptop from America. Why doesn't it work then? Because the power source and the object to be powered are not compatible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ah, but here it is possible to get a transformer to convert the input to the right one.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now try putting a ship from Star Wars into Star Trek. Doesn't work. Why? Because they're not compatible. The universe is definitely in question, regardless of what you claim otherwise. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->See top of this post.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The laws governing both ships are opposite. Both shows cater to audiences with different tastes. Therefore, they are not bound by the same rules of realism. Because of that, Star Wars ships are grossly oversized, exaggerated for cinematic impact. Star Trek focuses less on the space battles, and more on the operatic undertones of drama. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not relevent when you are suspending disbelief. To analyse Sci-Fi we have to suspend disbelief, otherwise its a plastic model Vs a computer generated model :P
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Note, I am not angry, upset, or attempting to flame you. I'm enjoying debating about absolutely nothing, that's all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wouldn't take that as flaming, the lack of insults is the big clue ;) And yes, debating absoulutely nothing is fun. :)
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Picard: I don't want to have to have to destroy them.
*Enterprise gets beaten up*
Picard: Fire all phasers!
*phasers do bugger all*
Picard: Report!
Nameless Ensign #1: No effect sir, they are roxx0ring our boxx0rings.
Picard: Stop trying to pad out your roll Ensign and get back to pressing random buttons.
Data: Captain, our chance of victory is only blah blah blah percent, logic logic logic logic <i>logic</i>
Picard: Good point Data. Geordi?
Geordi: Well, we could re-modulate the E.P.S conduits to emmit a tachyon pulse of 5500 cochrens, which will reverse the polarity of our shields to create a hole in the space-time continuum which will distabilise the structural integrety of the Star Destroyer.
Picard: Make it so!
Nameless Ensign #1: Sir, they're firing!
*Big explosion, screen shakes around, people fall off their chairs, console explodes killing Nameless Ensign #1*
*stormtroopers start pwning enterprise security, except Worf who headbutts 50 of them to death single handed. All crew have torn clothing and minor cuts at this point regardless of whether they were actually in the fight. The screen also keeps shaking at random intervals so that we don't forget that they're under attack*
Picard: Geordi, I need whatever it was you were going to do, NOW
Scotty: I cannae deny the laws of physics sir!
Picard: This is no time for a cameo you old git, Geordi, now!
Geordi: I'm on it sir!
*Cool special effect, star destroyer goes boom*
Picard: Report.
Riker: The enemy ship has been destroyed sir!
Bridge Crew: Yaaaay!
*Remaining stormtrooper boarding parties and enemy fighters mysteriously disapear. The enterprise's communication system is conveniently fixed at this point, because naturally it was their first priority to repair it in the middle of a fight. They recieve a message from random federation ship #32 who comes to their aid and tows them to a starbase*
*Riker cracks a joke, Data doesn't get it. Everyone laughs.*
THE END
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That was too funny. Has anyone else noticed that the Enterprise is 600m in length while the IDS is like 1 mile long or something stupid. Besides the Enterprise would win because:
A. Phasers are more powerful then LASERs, hence why they never use them in Star-Trek (With the exceptions of less advanced races). B. The Picard Maneuver <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>tm</span>, clickey <a href='http://www.ccdump.org/picardmaneuver.htm' target='_blank'>here</a>, As the IDS does not have sensors capable of decting ships moving in warp space I think they would be pwned by it. C. Picard begs Q to help blagging some favour that he owes them. Q clicks a finger and the IDS turns into a pizza slice that it looks like.
Also I'd love to see a Defiant Class go up against a Star Destoryer. And how many ISD does it need to make a pizza?
The question of whether the ISD or the Enterprise would win is irrelevant, as the Vorlon Planet Killer that just jumped out of hyperspace would wipe them both out just by sneezing at them anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And how many ISD does it need to make a pizza? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Mar 12 2004, 11:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Mar 12 2004, 11:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And how many ISD does it need to make a pizza? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Twelve? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats an extra large yeah? Stuff crusted?
Unknown ship:For Adun, for Auir Federation: WTH Empire:WTH *warps a shadowy figure on board* *slice* *hack*
*Armada of Protoss War ships and Terran Battle Cruisers arrive* *65897485685 scourges commit suicide and take out enemy ships* *Zerg queen throws a bunch of green crap on ships* *Hundreds of invisible Wraiths hit the crap out of the enemy ships* *Valkarie send covering fire* *Terran Marines board ships and pawn stormtroopers than the away team* *Scouts come in and finish the job*
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I hate posting in these things. I always get owned because i'm an idiot (as proven).
The fact is, imperial ships are designed to take things out in the smallest time possible. Pretty much all federation ships are designed for exploration, and if the need arises, to defend themselves (even the defiant was an exploration ship, albeit a cool one).
It's a scout vs a war machine. There's no match or hope for the scout at all. Think of TFC: Scout Vs HWGuy. The only hope the scout has is to hop around the HWGuy and hope he misses all the time. Since we've established that the enterprise has no speed advantage over the ISD, a better comparison would be a skulk slowly climbing up a vent with a HA shooting at him with a HMG, while two GLs give covering fire from behind him. The enterprise has NO CHANCE.
But we've already stated that the Enterprise would never be in a situation where it has to fight an ISD one on one. Knowing the odds, it'd probably run (and although the ISD may be able to keep up with the enterprise, as far as i know, neither ships can fire weapons while in warp/hyperspace).
To make this anywhere near a fair argument, we need to expand it: The entire Star Wars universe vs The Entire Star Trek universe. Lets assume that the rebellion and the imperials have put aside their differences and joined forces against the Star Trekkies, and all the Trek races have banded together to fight the Star Wars people. That conversion/discussion would be more interesting because, hey, you can involve proper tactics, all the races, hand to hand fighting ability, and planetry bombardment and invasion.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The advantage the ISD has is that hyperspace travel is faster then warp based travel. Which isn't really an advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why'd you bring it up then? So you can look good when you come to the conculsion that the Enterprise wins? Keep you arguments on topic, please.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The second thing is that having 2 shield generators and shields based in quadrants of the ship, allows weakened shields to be reinforced with energy from other areas of the shields, and have them repaired faster.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->And those sheilds happen to take signficant time to batter down with weapons, which are able to put out at least 200GT shots, when you are only attacking with torpedoes with a maximum theroetical yeild of 64 MT for Photon torpedoes and phasers that have been calaculated to be about 7kT yeilds against sheilding and 1kT against armour.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->All the TIEs can be ignored as snubfighter sized weapons and torps won't have the power to do anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Then why bother having them? Also, in the EU, snub fighter attacks can damage SW capital ships with sufficient numbers.
A volley of fighter scale proton torpedoes from the TIE/B wing would seriously mess up the Ent-D. Why? Because Proton torpedoes are <i>at very least</i> 1kT (Star Wars Technical Journal, which is contradicted by other higher canonicity data), however, the 15kT Hiroshima bomb could fit within the casing, so increasing the probable minimum to 15kT. (A reasonable assumption for a lower limit, given the level of power generation demonstrated) Those bombers (5-12) could easily give the Enterprise some seroius difficulties.
The ISD just needs the order "Fire at that ship" passed to its weapon batteries, and they don't use runners to carry the messages. The gunners and physics do the rest. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, the Star Wars Universe is just as possible as the Star Trek Universe, its just the Star Wars universe focuses more on fighting and action and the Star Trek Universe seems to focus on exploration.
Also, the only time you ever hear any storm trooper set something to stun is when the want to capture princess Leia, other than that, its set to full death all the time, whereas in Star Trek it always seems like they were setting their phasers to stun.
"Shaka, at Tenagra, when the walls fell" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm just rooting for the underdog... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
really, though, since the star wars ship is obviously a lot bigger, wouldn't a better question be, like, who would win -- the Federation from Trek or the Empire from Wars?
The DS1 turrets had little trouble targeting the ships going along the run because those ships were flying in straight lines for kilometers of a narrow trench. They're not exactly hard to miss. A ISD cannot hit snubfighters at all. It was one of the Empires greatest problems. Its why they developed the Lancer frigate. The only way its gonna hit an X-wing is if it pumps out every shot at random and hopes it hits. Once a heay turbolaser does hit tho.....ouch.
I'm bring this up because going off 3rd party information, which I know sucks, but I trust the guy who told me, and hes read alot of the Star Trek fact files. According to him full impulse is 1/3rd light speed. No way will the ISD hit that. Of course this is going off 3rd party information so feel free to prove this wrong easily.
Now about the TIE bombers. A capital ship is not scared of snubfighter sized weapons. The only way those torps work, is because they're all fired at precisely the same point, completely overloading the ship's shields, and providing more energy and therefore damage then 1 torp could ever hope to. Those torps will simply never hit the same point, nor will it overload the shields as they do in SW, as the Enterprise doesn't use shields based in quadrants.
Infact, why don't we comment on the fact the shuttles can shoot down the bombers and torps far before they hit the Enterprise?
And Bill Door, I was listing all the evidence I knew as to which ship is superior. You seem to think I was against the ISD from the moment I started typing. I wasn't. The ISD's shields are an advantage to me, not a disadvantage as you seem to to think I thought they were.
Exactly. The Enterprise will win because they're the good guys.
Nameless Ensign #1: Captain, incoming ship detected!
Picard: On screen!
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah , talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Picard: I don't want to have to have to destroy them.
*Enterprise gets beaten up*
Picard: Fire all phasers!
*phasers do bugger all*
Picard: Report!
Nameless Ensign #1: No effect sir, they are roxx0ring our boxx0rings.
Picard: Stop trying to pad out your roll Ensign and get back to pressing random buttons.
Data: Captain, our chance of victory is only blah blah blah percent, logic logic logic logic <i>logic</i>
Picard: Good point Data. Geordi?
Geordi: Well, we could re-modulate the E.P.S conduits to emmit a tachyon pulse of 5500 cochrens, which will reverse the polarity of our shields to create a hole in the space-time continuum which will distabilise the structural integrety of the Star Destroyer.
Picard: Make it so!
Nameless Ensign #1: Sir, they're firing!
*Big explosion, screen shakes around, people fall off their chairs, console explodes killing Nameless Ensign #1*
Riker: NAMELESS ENSIGN! NOOOOO!!!
Picard: Damage report!
Riker: Shields down, engines down, warp-drive down, phasers down, photon torpedoes down, communications down, hull breaches on random decks, 57 nameless ensigns killed.
Worf: We're being boarded sir!
*stormtroopers start pwning enterprise security, except Worf who headbutts 50 of them to death single handed. All crew have torn clothing and minor cuts at this point regardless of whether they were actually in the fight. The screen also keeps shaking at random intervals so that we don't forget that they're under attack*
Picard: Geordi, I need whatever it was you were going to do, NOW
Scotty: I cannae deny the laws of physics sir!
Picard: This is no time for a cameo you old git, Geordi, now!
Geordi: I'm on it sir!
*Cool special effect, star destroyer goes boom*
Picard: Report.
Riker: The enemy ship has been destroyed sir!
Bridge Crew: Yaaaay!
*Remaining stormtrooper boarding parties and enemy fighters mysteriously disapear. The enterprise's communication system is conveniently fixed at this point, because naturally it was their first priority to repair it in the middle of a fight. They recieve a message from random federation ship #32 who comes to their aid and tows them to a starbase*
*Riker cracks a joke, Data doesn't get it. Everyone laughs.*
THE END
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[01:24] <Deathstar_3> Hello Earth!
[01:24] <Federation> WTH?
[01:25] * Deathstar 3 collects the powerup and wins the game
I think that sums up <i>that</i> "fight". <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As far as Offical Star wars info goes. NOT fan fiction
At the time of the empires greatest strength right before the battle of endor
there were actualy 4 Super Class star destroyers; the Executor, Avenger, and Devastator and one not named.
Thats a little known fact. Most people just remember the Executor from the movies b/c it was Darth Vaders flagship.
A<b>t the time there were over 25,000 Imperial 1 or 2 class star destroyers alone.</b>
thisDOES NOT count fighters, bombers, support ships, and countless other imperial warships and other classes of ships such as the
Victory-class Star Destroyer
Victory II-class Star Destroyer
Eclipse-class Star Destroyer
Sovereign-class Star Destroyer and all the Aegies curisers, heavy imperial dreadnaughts and blablalba im not going to list them all. And the frame of the first death star prototype. (which is is basically jsut a big frame with basic docking thrusters.)
keep in mind that a single class one imperial star destroyer holds 2 TIE fighter squadrons, 1 TIE interceptor squadron and 1 bomber squadron as well as asault gunboats.
So add these up and bang. Quite a fleet to take on.
Does anyone know the fleet strength of Starfleet?
owned.
<snip>
*Riker cracks a joke, Data doesn't get it. Everyone laughs.*
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Excellent!
And the Mega Maid would win.
Use the Swarz
By the way, the death star would never reach earth. They'd know it was coming, and while the death star was spending a few million years charging its weapon, the defiant would come and pwn it's ****.
You all seem to be forgetting one thing: The empire loses. All it's ships (apart from some that run away), get pwned. The enterprise has never lost. Sure, it's been destroyed a few times, but the crew has always survived, and it always takes out the enemy before it blows up. The star destroyer i remember took out about 2 capital ships then got owned because a Y-Wing crashed into it's cockpit thing (good shields, eh?).
And boarding parties? Come on. Stormtroopers can't aim at all. Data, Picard, Riker and Worf could probably single handedly take over the entire ship. And even if they got captured, they'd escape and set off a self destruct device before they ran off. Darth Vader was only on one of them, and that was a super-star destroyer.
Tie Fighters? No shields at all (if i remember rightly), which would mean a very, very small and light phaser hit would take them out. Have you seen how fast the enterprises phasers can fire, one after another, on a low power setting? Goodbye to the fighter support.
I think that the enterprise would win, because the stardestroyer would be arrogant, and Picard would be calm and calculating, and would find a way of killing them (always does).
And in answer to a previous post: Death Star Vs Borg Cube? Borg, no problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Aldaris+Mar 12 2004, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aldaris @ Mar 12 2004, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The DS1 turrets had little trouble targeting the ships going along the run because those ships were flying in straight lines for kilometers of a narrow trench. They're not exactly hard to miss. A ISD cannot hit snubfighters at all. It was one of the Empires greatest problems. Its why they developed the Lancer frigate. The only way its gonna hit an X-wing is if it pumps out every shot at random and hopes it hits. Once a heay turbolaser does hit tho.....ouch.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is quite possibly true, but the Galaxy is significantly <b>larger</b> and <b>less maneuverable</b> than an X-wing. See the point?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm bring this up because going off 3rd party information, which I know sucks, but I trust the guy who told me, and hes read alot of the Star Trek fact files. According to him full impulse is 1/3rd light speed. No way will the ISD hit that. Of course this is going off 3rd party information so feel free to prove this wrong easily.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->With enough fuel and reaction mass the ISD would find it easy to reach 1/3 light speed in space. And with thousands of G's of acceleration it wouldn't find it all that difficult.
Also (and here is a problem for the 1/3 impulse=1/3 c) at one point the Enterprise went 1/3 impulse in an atmosphere without huge devistation on the planet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now about the TIE bombers. A capital ship is not scared of snubfighter sized weapons. The only way those torps work, is because they're all fired at precisely the same point, completely overloading the ship's shields, and providing more energy and therefore damage then 1 torp could ever hope to. Those torps will simply never hit the same point, nor will it overload the shields as they do in SW, as the Enterprise doesn't use shields based in quadrants.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Negaive on that point. Star Wars capital ships don't worry about a pure snubfighter attack <i>because of their sheilding</i> It just so happens that <i>SW sheilding is much stronger than ST sheilding</i> (It has to be due to the strength of capital scale weaponry and observed lengths of battle) <b>The Star Trek sheilding will not just shrug off Star Wars fighter scale weapons.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Infact, why don't we comment on the fact the shuttles can shoot down the bombers and torps far before they hit the Enterprise?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->You'd like to think so. Except they'd be escorted by the TIE fighters and interceptors. 1kT laser cannon shots are doing to ruin the shuttles day, especially as the TIE interceptors have at least 4 laser cannons and up to 10.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Bill Door, I was listing all the evidence I knew as to which ship is superior. You seem to think I was against the ISD from the moment I started typing. I wasn't. The ISD's shields are an advantage to me, not a disadvantage as you seem to to think I thought they were.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Alright, but you obviously didn't know that the ISD had sheilding orders of magnitude larger than Enterprise and weapons to match that.
<!--QuoteBegin-GreyPaws+ Mar 12 2004, 08:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Mar 12 2004, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Silly star wars fools, Picard would just slingshot around the sun, go back in time and stop the Empire from forming.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He slingshots back into a different timeline and sets off for Coruscant. They all die on the journey.
owned X2
<!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+ Mar 12 2004, 07:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Mar 12 2004, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nameless Ensign #1: Captain, incoming ship detected!
Picard: On screen!
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah , talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Picard: I don't want to have to have to destroy them.
*Enterprise gets beaten up*
Picard: Fire all phasers!
*phasers do bugger all*
Picard: Report!
Nameless Ensign #1: No effect sir, they are roxx0ring our boxx0rings.
Picard: Stop trying to pad out your roll Ensign and get back to pressing random buttons.
Data: Captain, our chance of victory is only blah blah blah percent, logic logic logic logic logic
Picard: Good point Data. Geordi?
Geordi: Well, we could re-modulate the E.P.S conduits to emmit a tachyon pulse of 5500 cochrens, which will reverse the polarity of our shields to create a hole in the space-time continuum which will...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boom! the Enterprise is hit by a volley of fire and turned into a cloud of expanding vapour.
Time isn't on their side, and as the Really Bad Guys they don't have to worry about who they're shooting.
[quote]By the way, the death star would never reach earth. They'd know it was coming, and while the death star was spending a few million years charging its weapon, the defiant would come and pwn it's ****.[/quote]Really? It pops out of hyperspace above Earth. One shot later, it hyperspaces out. It then takes a day to recharge, and then next target plz. This is supported by ANH, so suck it.
Anyway, the DS is overkill. A three ISDs could turn the Earth into a molten ball, unable to support life for a long time, in 1 hour. see <a href='http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/BaseDeltaZero.html' target='_blank'>here.</a>
[quote]You all seem to be forgetting one thing: The empire loses. All it's ships (apart from some that run away), get pwned. The enterprise has never lost. Sure, it's been destroyed a few times,[/quote]Thank you for contradicing yourself.
[quote] but the crew has always survived, and it always takes out the enemy before it blows up.[/quote]against ships of technological parity. There is a huge technological disparity in favour of the Empire here.
The star destroyer i remember took out about 2 capital ships then got owned because a Y-Wing crashed into it's cockpit thing (good shields, eh?).[/quote]You missed the "All ships, focus all fire on the Executor" order and the fact that it had previously been rammed by 3 ISD's, before the crash.
[quote]And boarding parties? Come on. Stormtroopers can't aim at all. Data, Picard, Riker and Worf could probably single handedly take over the entire ship. And even if they got captured, they'd escape and set off a self destruct device before they ran off. Darth Vader was only on one of them, and that was a super-star destroyer.[/quote]The Emperor and Darth Vader (in their infinate wisdom [insert rolleyes smilie]) wanted the rebels alive. In ANH it was to find the Rebel base on Yavin 4, TESB it was to capture skywalker and hunt down the rest of the rebels, in ROTJ, wanted Skywalker alive. When they wern't shooting the main characters, the stormies were good shots.
[quote]Tie Fighters? No shields at all (if i remember rightly), which would mean a very, very small and light phaser hit would take them out. Have you seen how fast the enterprises phasers can fire, one after another, on a low power setting? Goodbye to the fighter support.[/quote]Love the way that they can easily hit ships several times the TIE's size and much less maneuverable... Oh wait. They can't <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
[quote]I think that the enterprise would win, because the stardestroyer would be arrogant, and Picard would be calm and calculating, and would find a way of killing them (always does).[/quote] Contary to popular beleif, most imperial commanders are professional military officers. Picard is an explorer and diplomat with out any military training. Who has more experiance? Who is more likely to try and talk his way out of it?
More realistic sitaution:
DATA:Captain, we have an inidentified ship on sensors.
PICARD: Put it on screen and open a hailing channel.
WORF: Large energy spike detected!
*Boom. The Enterprise is annihilated by a volley of turbolaser fire.*
[quote] And in answer to a previous post: Death Star Vs Borg Cube? Borg, no problem <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/QUOTE]Oh, I didn't see any Borg cubes surviving close to the planet exploding in ST Voyager:Scorpion part 1 planetary explosion. Yet the DS1 survived the Alderaan explosion. Hmm.
Drones don't seem to be able to adapt to physical attacks. Hmm, time to break out the flechette launchers.
The Borg cannot adapt to sufficiently high-powered energy weapons. Hmm.
Do you see where I am going with all this?
Really? So which side has far more military power than the other <i>in universe</i>. Which side has the better warships <i>in universe</i>
That is what we are comparing. The whole intent of both universes doesn't matter in this debate.
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My point stands.
Try putting a Region 2 DVD in a Region 1 player. Doesn't work. Seems strange, since it would look the same if it was Region 1. Why then doesn't it work? Because it's not compatible.
Try putting a laptop from America into an electrical outlet in Europe. First off, it won't fit. But if you did get it to work, you'd fry your laptop, because the voltage is different. Seems strange, since a laptop from Europe runs the same as a laptop from America. Why doesn't it work then? Because the power source and the object to be powered are not compatible.
Try putting a Mac program on a PC. Weird, even though the product is the same as released for PC, it doesn't work! Wonder why... wait, I know! It's not compatible!
Now try putting a ship from Star Wars into Star Trek. Doesn't work. Why? Because they're not compatible. The universe is definitely in question, regardless of what you claim otherwise.
The laws governing both ships are opposite. Both shows cater to audiences with different tastes. Therefore, they are not bound by the same rules of realism. Because of that, Star Wars ships are grossly oversized, exaggerated for cinematic impact. Star Trek focuses less on the space battles, and more on the operatic undertones of drama.
Think of it this way. Star Wars is the Air Force, Star Trek is the Navy.
This topic was started from the Bear Vs. Lion thread. Interesting - that thread was only made possible because they're in the same universe! Granted, different climates, but the laws that govern the two are the same.
Note, I am not angry, upset, or attempting to flame you. I'm enjoying debating about absolutely nothing, that's all.
I think the Enterprise could detect something like that and self guided photon torpedos would be kind of hard to stop.
And since the Enterprise is not a warship of the Federation (it's been used for exploration) how about we compare the fact that the Empire was hated by most of the universe, while the Federation would probably be allied with every other race in either universe.
There's no logical reason an Enterprise would battle an ISD alone.
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My point stands.
Try putting a Region 2 DVD in a Region 1 player. Doesn't work. Seems strange, since it would look the same if it was Region 1. Why then doesn't it work? Because it's not compatible.
Try putting a laptop from America into an electrical outlet in Europe. First off, it won't fit. But if you did get it to work, you'd fry your laptop, because the voltage is different. Seems strange, since a laptop from Europe runs the same as a laptop from America. Why doesn't it work then? Because the power source and the object to be powered are not compatible.
Try putting a Mac program on a PC. Weird, even though the product is the same as released for PC, it doesn't work! Wonder why... wait, I know! It's not compatible!
Now try putting a ship from Star Wars into Star Trek. Doesn't work. Why? Because they're not compatible. The universe is definitely in question, regardless of what you claim otherwise.
The laws governing both ships are opposite. Both shows cater to audiences with different tastes. Therefore, they are not bound by the same rules of realism. Because of that, Star Wars ships are grossly oversized, exaggerated for cinematic impact. Star Trek focuses less on the space battles, and more on the operatic undertones of drama.
Think of it this way. Star Wars is the Air Force, Star Trek is the Navy.
This topic was started from the Bear Vs. Lion thread. Interesting - that thread was only made possible because they're in the same universe! Granted, different climates, but the laws that govern the two are the same.
Note, I am not angry, upset, or attempting to flame you. I'm enjoying debating about absolutely nothing, that's all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
One of the most basic points of the Vs debate is that the abilities of each of the parcipitants will work in the crossover battle, otherwise there is no bloody point to even starting the debate (Not that there is much of one anyway ;) )
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Try putting a Region 2 DVD in a Region 1 player. Doesn't work. Seems strange, since it would look the same if it was Region 1. Why then doesn't it work? Because it's not compatible.
Try putting a Mac program on a PC. Weird, even though the product is the same as released for PC, it doesn't work! Wonder why... wait, I know! It's not compatible!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Different coding. So what? Its possible to get emulators foir Mac programs, and for there to be multi-region players.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Try putting a laptop from America into an electrical outlet in Europe. First off, it won't fit. But if you did get it to work, you'd fry your laptop, because the voltage is different. Seems strange, since a laptop from Europe runs the same as a laptop from America. Why doesn't it work then? Because the power source and the object to be powered are not compatible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ah, but here it is possible to get a transformer to convert the input to the right one.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now try putting a ship from Star Wars into Star Trek. Doesn't work. Why? Because they're not compatible. The universe is definitely in question, regardless of what you claim otherwise. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->See top of this post.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The laws governing both ships are opposite. Both shows cater to audiences with different tastes. Therefore, they are not bound by the same rules of realism. Because of that, Star Wars ships are grossly oversized, exaggerated for cinematic impact. Star Trek focuses less on the space battles, and more on the operatic undertones of drama. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not relevent when you are suspending disbelief. To analyse Sci-Fi we have to suspend disbelief, otherwise its a plastic model Vs a computer generated model :P
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 12 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Note, I am not angry, upset, or attempting to flame you. I'm enjoying debating about absolutely nothing, that's all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wouldn't take that as flaming, the lack of insults is the big clue ;) And yes, debating absoulutely nothing is fun. :)
NOTE:Emoticons disabled due to there being too many for the board to allow the post :D
Picard: On screen!
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah , talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Picard: I don't want to have to have to destroy them.
*Enterprise gets beaten up*
Picard: Fire all phasers!
*phasers do bugger all*
Picard: Report!
Nameless Ensign #1: No effect sir, they are roxx0ring our boxx0rings.
Picard: Stop trying to pad out your roll Ensign and get back to pressing random buttons.
Data: Captain, our chance of victory is only blah blah blah percent, logic logic logic logic <i>logic</i>
Picard: Good point Data. Geordi?
Geordi: Well, we could re-modulate the E.P.S conduits to emmit a tachyon pulse of 5500 cochrens, which will reverse the polarity of our shields to create a hole in the space-time continuum which will distabilise the structural integrety of the Star Destroyer.
Picard: Make it so!
Nameless Ensign #1: Sir, they're firing!
*Big explosion, screen shakes around, people fall off their chairs, console explodes killing Nameless Ensign #1*
Riker: NAMELESS ENSIGN! NOOOOO!!!
Picard: Damage report!
Riker: Shields down, engines down, warp-drive down, phasers down, photon torpedoes down, communications down, hull breaches on random decks, 57 nameless ensigns killed.
Worf: We're being boarded sir!
*stormtroopers start pwning enterprise security, except Worf who headbutts 50 of them to death single handed. All crew have torn clothing and minor cuts at this point regardless of whether they were actually in the fight. The screen also keeps shaking at random intervals so that we don't forget that they're under attack*
Picard: Geordi, I need whatever it was you were going to do, NOW
Scotty: I cannae deny the laws of physics sir!
Picard: This is no time for a cameo you old git, Geordi, now!
Geordi: I'm on it sir!
*Cool special effect, star destroyer goes boom*
Picard: Report.
Riker: The enemy ship has been destroyed sir!
Bridge Crew: Yaaaay!
*Remaining stormtrooper boarding parties and enemy fighters mysteriously disapear. The enterprise's communication system is conveniently fixed at this point, because naturally it was their first priority to repair it in the middle of a fight. They recieve a message from random federation ship #32 who comes to their aid and tows them to a starbase*
*Riker cracks a joke, Data doesn't get it. Everyone laughs.*
THE END
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LOL
Breath...
ROFL
Breath...
LMFAO
That was too funny.
Has anyone else noticed that the Enterprise is 600m in length while the IDS is like 1 mile long or something stupid.
Besides the Enterprise would win because:
A. Phasers are more powerful then LASERs, hence why they never use them in Star-Trek (With the exceptions of less advanced races).
B. The Picard Maneuver <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>tm</span>, clickey <a href='http://www.ccdump.org/picardmaneuver.htm' target='_blank'>here</a>, As the IDS does not have sensors capable of decting ships moving in warp space I think they would be pwned by it.
C. Picard begs Q to help blagging some favour that he owes them. Q clicks a finger and the IDS turns into a pizza slice that it looks like.
Also I'd love to see a Defiant Class go up against a Star Destoryer. And how many ISD does it need to make a pizza?
Twelve?
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Thats an extra large yeah? Stuff crusted?
Federation: WTH
Empire:WTH
*warps a shadowy figure on board*
*slice*
*hack*
*Armada of Protoss War ships and Terran Battle Cruisers arrive*
*65897485685 scourges commit suicide and take out enemy ships*
*Zerg queen throws a bunch of green crap on ships*
*Hundreds of invisible Wraiths hit the crap out of the enemy ships*
*Valkarie send covering fire*
*Terran Marines board ships and pawn stormtroopers than the away team*
*Scouts come in and finish the job*
The fact is, imperial ships are designed to take things out in the smallest time possible. Pretty much all federation ships are designed for exploration, and if the need arises, to defend themselves (even the defiant was an exploration ship, albeit a cool one).
It's a scout vs a war machine. There's no match or hope for the scout at all. Think of TFC: Scout Vs HWGuy. The only hope the scout has is to hop around the HWGuy and hope he misses all the time. Since we've established that the enterprise has no speed advantage over the ISD, a better comparison would be a skulk slowly climbing up a vent with a HA shooting at him with a HMG, while two GLs give covering fire from behind him. The enterprise has NO CHANCE.
But we've already stated that the Enterprise would never be in a situation where it has to fight an ISD one on one. Knowing the odds, it'd probably run (and although the ISD may be able to keep up with the enterprise, as far as i know, neither ships can fire weapons while in warp/hyperspace).
To make this anywhere near a fair argument, we need to expand it: The entire Star Wars universe vs The Entire Star Trek universe. Lets assume that the rebellion and the imperials have put aside their differences and joined forces against the Star Trekkies, and all the Trek races have banded together to fight the Star Wars people.
That conversion/discussion would be more interesting because, hey, you can involve proper tactics, all the races, hand to hand fighting ability, and planetry bombardment and invasion.