its obvious to tell who is holding on to their scripts here heh
i am seeing people whinge and go "bhopping doesnt make u invincible", and all this other crap thats going on.
Let me share a few points of experience. Now while i have never had the pleasure of playing with some foreign clans (i am an australian btw), some of our clans, and their players, with a script, can whipe out far too many marines because they are moving faster than its possible for some people to aim. This is not to say they dont die, but if one skulk can whipe out 3 marines who arent exactly newbie, then scripted bhopping should be culled.
I mean seriously takes the fun and competition out if you can do something without skill, 'wow i can bind it so that it does all the hard work for me' - some people call it clever, but personally its giving you an unfair advantage over other players. And unfair advantages should really be banned (excluding obvious factors such as experience, natural skill etc).
As soon as a game wanders down the path where everyone starts scripting because everyone has to be the best, and it looses its friendliness because everyone wants to win- the game becomes crap and people find a new thrill. Take counterstrike for example (heh i should be carstrated for mentioning the name here but its an example!); while its still one of the most popular games out ther, some figures suggest its population is stagnent and in some cases diing, and this was primarily attributed to people being put off by the fact that less skill is required and more scripting logic ;P
If NS ever heads there i will personally conduct a witchhunt and find all the scripters hehe; na but seriously; why not play a game the way it was MEANT to be played; it would appear true that when one person has a really crappy day they will either just go, 'bugger it' and go and do something else for a time (which is the best idea u can have), or they wander off to scripts.com or hax0r.net or whatever, and the game becomes no longer enjoyable, just something like an engine- it has to be efficient, perfect, and work.
I'm glad they are removing the _special command. I've used the 3jump alias for a few years now and thats all I need to bhop perfect. Over the years as I have had to reinstall half-life, I've forgotten to make that alias. That has gotten me used to bunny hopping with +jump. I miss every now and then but I can still do it fairly well. It'll be interesting to see how many of these vets continue to Bhop after 3.0 is released.
Yeh, the point of what I'm saying is, the only reasonable reason I've seen for not removing the 'wait' command is that some other binds (weapon change scripts) also need it.
My point is that if thats the only reason to keep 'wait' why not make it so that there are <b>actual commands</b> to do the weapon switch or WHATEVER it is that people feel they need to script, so that there is no more need to 'make special binds' for them.
In fact, if you really want to level the playing field, make it so its impossible to even use the bind or alias command manually, at all, forcing players to rely PURELY on the 'control setup' screen to specify their controls.
Then, once its impossible to make alias or bind scripts, wipe all binds and each time NS starts, simply apply only what people have bound in the 'controls setup screen'.
Then add some new 'controls' (ie, quick weapon switch, whatever) to bind in the 'controls setup screen' to replace those things which are now impossible to do.
That way the creators can decide *exactly* what 'commands' people can use... and if they don't supply you with a command which does a bunny hop for you, then you aren't meant to have one!
That's a little too nazified for my tastes. There are better way to control scripts and illegeal bindings than by removing all custom ones completely. I can think of about a dozen custom binds that I'd personally want to be added into the config, and that's not counting my voice communication ones. It wouldn't be pratical.
On the other hand, bhoping scripts are getting rather annoying with focus (cough, romano, cough). A skulk with bhop, focus, and celerity completely dominates early on, and it's not fun. It just seems like there should be a happy medium without removing ALL custom binds but still removing the bhop scripts and pistol scripts, etc.
<!--QuoteBegin--Vektuz+Dec 21 2003, 11:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vektuz @ Dec 21 2003, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeh, the point of what I'm saying is, the only reasonable reason I've seen for not removing the 'wait' command is that some other binds (weapon change scripts) also need it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Since when?
If you need a weapon change script, you need to rethink your time in NS. I get by just fine with lastinv. Even as a blink/swipe/blink fade. Sure, I have to keep a running memory of what my last weapon was (If it was acid rocket, blink, or swipe or whatever), but if I do the same as a weapon switch scripter without the scripts, that says a whole helluva lot about me, doesn't it?
If you can point out a LEGITIMATE use of wait, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise.. well..
What does a skulk gain from bunnyhopping? 1. Increased Speed 2. Harder to Hit 3. Makes a little less noise
What does a skulk lose by bunnyhopping? hmm...
Since there's no real penalty to bunnyhopping, everyone's going to do it. If the skulk hitboxes are truely fixed, bunnyhopping shouldn't be as much of a problem. How many people complain about bunnyhopping gorges? Still, it's unrealistic to expect people to refrain from scripts. Face the reality and balance the game for bunnyhopping skulks.
<!--QuoteBegin--Twoheadedchicken+Dec 22 2003, 01:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twoheadedchicken @ Dec 22 2003, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all removing _special and 'wait' is going to do is make ppl buy mouses (or mouse software) that can spam a command. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hmm yea?
I have three different config files, one for alien, one for marine and one for commander. Otherwise i simply find there are not enough keys close to my left hand. Also where my strafe/jump keys are is over the top of defualt commander hotkeys (main reason i set up diff configs).
If the only way to set up keys was in setup theres no way id be able to run a config like this, yet it as legit as they come...
I agree with remove wait, I dun need to spam a key to bhop and I actually find weapon switch scripts are a hinderance.
<!--QuoteBegin--RIP Bob+Dec 21 2003, 08:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RIP Bob @ Dec 21 2003, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I mean seriously takes the fun and competition out if you can do something without skill, 'wow i can bind it so that it does all the hard work for me' - some people call it clever, but personally its giving you an unfair advantage over other players. And unfair advantages should really be banned (excluding obvious factors such as experience, natural skill etc).
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What? You've played for a year? No more NS for you then. And you there, you killed five skulks without reloading? You are too skilled to play this, we are hardcoding a ban for your won and steam id's.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ice+Dec 23 2003, 10:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ice @ Dec 23 2003, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--RIP Bob+Dec 21 2003, 08:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RIP Bob @ Dec 21 2003, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I mean seriously takes the fun and competition out if you can do something without skill, 'wow i can bind it so that it does all the hard work for me' - some people call it clever, but personally its giving you an unfair advantage over other players. And unfair advantages should really be banned (excluding obvious factors such as experience, natural skill etc).
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What? You've played for a year? No more NS for you then. And you there, you killed five skulks without reloading? You are too skilled to play this, we are hardcoding a ban for your won and steam id's. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...Umm, are you joking, or did you just mix up 'excluding' with 'including' in his post?
<!--QuoteBegin--sk84zer0+Dec 20 2003, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sk84zer0 @ Dec 20 2003, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--cri.tical+Dec 20 2003, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ Dec 20 2003, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its pretty silly to see Charlie waste his time on removing certain commands to prevent bunnyhop scripting. He should have simply removed bunnyhopping and that would eliminate the complaints. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you would never see skulks get kills <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Skulks don't need hopping to get kills. If you believe this then you never played 1.04. Most skulks didn't know a thing about bhopping. It wasn't until 2.0 that bhopping aliens became prevalent.
You people can come on here and pretend you actually know something if you like, but its not going to fool me, and it sure is hell isn't going to fool anybody else that has a bit of sense either.
I propose that bhopping be removed. It is clearly a sensitive topic. We beef up the skulks in other ways after the removal of bhop. They are still fast, small, hard to hit little buggers.
Oh, more thing:
You can quote Flayra all you want, but that doesn't mean a thing either. Flayra can change his mind in a heartbeat if he wants and hopefully one day he will. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
You cannot remove bunnyhopping by removing the wait command.
For example, some mouse software (And some macro software) allows you to cause a continuous keypress or mouse button on and off to be fed to the game, at the driver level.
Removing script commands has thus got no effect on bunnyhopping.
If you want to remove it, then remove it entirely at the game level, instead of script level.
Else leave it in because messing with script stuff doesnt erally stop it anyway
<!--QuoteBegin--Vektuz+Dec 23 2003, 08:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vektuz @ Dec 23 2003, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You cannot remove bunnyhopping by removing the wait command.
For example, some mouse software (And some macro software) allows you to cause a continuous keypress or mouse button on and off to be fed to the game, at the driver level.
Removing script commands has thus got no effect on bunnyhopping.
If you want to remove it, then remove it entirely at the game level, instead of script level.
Else leave it in because messing with script stuff doesnt erally stop it anyway <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's a horrid justification for keeping wait commands in.
Doing jumps on the driver level is one thing, doing it with ingame scripts is another. Ingame scripts allow anyone to press a button and do anything that anyone with a lastinv bind or whatnot can do with lots of practice. The "Copy some text and be a god at NS" is the problem here, not the "Let's remove bunnyhopping omg lame lame" problem.
I can Bhop damned well with the space bar. And I've noticed that with Celerity and hopping around like I'm on CRACK nets me 4x of a longer life then not hopping. But it should be timing, not a script that does the hopping.
Even mousewheel is different.. If you're rolling that wheel like a nutjob to jump like a maniac, you're probably not gonna press fire well enough. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Delphi+Dec 23 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Dec 23 2003, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The "Copy some text and be a god at NS" is the problem here <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> rofl.
That's not a problem because it DOESN'T HAPPEN. God you're so absolutely ignorant. Modifying your config.cfg is an exploit? Damn my script that switches my voice comm key from Mouse3 to Mouse5 to Shift (for commander) is SUCH AN EXPLOIT. OMG. Scripts don't make the player. Quit your incessant whining about scripts
BTW this is Nadagast...dunno why I'm on Maven's acct.
I dont know why flayra wants marines/skulks to bounce up and down like rabbits on steroids.
I mean do you know how silly it looks?Skulks less so,but skulks bhopping doesnt mean bouncing,it means they fly from one end of the map on wings of bhopping +99.
Im telling you,celerity skulks using bhopping can easily rush a marine start and end the game RIGHT THERE....its even worse than 2.0 celerity skulk rushes(how many of you played CLAN GAMES where celerity skulks in 2.0 just wiped you all out due to insane speeD?).At least in 2.0,you had to spend res on MCs.
I thought the entire point of nerfing 2.0 celerity for skulks was to prevent that kind of situation...where it makes it too easy for skulks to move in close and kill marines?
Well what is the point of leaving bhopping for skulks?It does the same thing.
Here's the way I see it. Scripts are a way for people to do things that they otherwise are too lazy or plainly unable to do on their own. SOME scripts (particularly for instances for laziness) are in fact legitimate. An example of such would be the buy scripts in CS that allow you to quickly buy weapon sets. Fortunately, such a script does not require commands that could potentially affect intended gameplay (such as 'wait'). Flayra would consider any script that would affect the intended gameplay as an exploit to the game. You can further define exploits as a form of cheating.
Now on to the meat.
Regardless of whether or not bunnyhopping gives you an advantage in the game, using a script to produce the result would be a violation of using commands that affect intended gameplay.... thus exploiting... thus cheating.
Another thing i'd like to point out is that using your mouse scroll to spawn many command faster than you could normally do so is just another form of scripting.... not a "programmable" script, but still a mechanism that gives you ability to do something you could otherwise not do as easily. Since this "script" affects intended gameplay it also must be considered an exploit... and thus cheating.
There's always a good argument to be had as to what constitutes "intended gameplay", but I think you can guess what side I'd take.
The lesson learned: Just because you CAN does not mean you SHOULD
Christ, quotes are absolutely crap in this system. I swear. How am I supposed to respond point to point?
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view.
<!--QuoteBegin--Delphi+Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christ, quotes are absolutely crap in this system. I swear. How am I supposed to respond point to point?
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :lol:
<!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Dec 24 2003, 12:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Dec 24 2003, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Delphi+Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christ, quotes are absolutely crap in this system. I swear. How am I supposed to respond point to point?
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> :lol:
grow up <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Last, you are a freakin' tard, and are the LAST person (Oh ho, I maek funny) that should be in this thread.
I completely own you because I do everything in NS the way it's meant to be done. You ADMIT to scripting. There's no excuse for that. Ever.
Minstrel_KnightThe truth and nothing but the truth...Join Date: 2002-11-21Member: 9562Banned
<!--QuoteBegin--Delphi+Dec 24 2003, 12:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Dec 24 2003, 12:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christ, quotes are absolutely crap in this system. I swear. How am I supposed to respond point to point?
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A few minor things such as turning at the right speed at the right time at the right angle and alternating the strafe keys are required for the player to do beyond hitting the "+jump;wait;-jump;wait;+jump;wait;-jump" key.
Having a key bound to jump multiple times in one hit for you does not automatically enable them to bunny hop with any degree of skill.
<!--QuoteBegin--Delphi+Dec 24 2003, 12:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Dec 24 2003, 12:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Dec 24 2003, 12:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Dec 24 2003, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Delphi+Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Dec 23 2003, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christ, quotes are absolutely crap in this system. I swear. How am I supposed to respond point to point?
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> :lol:
grow up <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Last, you are a freakin' tard, and are the LAST person (Oh ho, I maek funny) that should be in this thread.
I completely own you because I do everything in NS the way it's meant to be done. You ADMIT to scripting. There's no excuse for that. Ever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> /me bows to the new king. (His domain I'll leave to the imagination)
<!--QuoteBegin--eggman+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eggman)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This has been discussed to death. Everyone who wishes to improve his bunnyjumping will still use help to time their jumps. Be it 3 jump scripts, Mwheel or whatever. If you don't want to, nobody forces you to do so. So just stop whining and play how you like and don't flame others mmkay? For example, I use the 3 jump script and Powerstrip. Nowadays, people are afraid to say such things because they are instantly flamed by someone.
sure, flame me because I use a +3jump script. Completely fail to see that I don't care, and personally, I fail to see why I should care for the opinion of people who would judge others by what scripts they use. Enjoy yourself delphi, mr. person I've never actually talked to and/or met before that decided to flame me for no apparent reason.
I can't believe the number of times this needs to be pointed out, but I'll try once again.
Bunnyhopping is not the jumping up and down repeatedly of a person. It is using an exploit in the engine physics to run/jump and gather insane amounts of speed. A bunny doesn't hop up and down to avoid predators, it "hops" very fast in a given direction- which is what this exploit looks like and there fore named after.
Every thread I read when this bunnyhopping issue surfaced (by the mods/creators) addressed the problem as described above, and they never had any real problems with jumping to avoid an attack. Jumping does not make you invincible, and both sides are quite capable of doing so. Scripts that make you jump a bunch of times seems silly to me, but I suppose some of you find them useful. In any case, let us leave this topic dead as it should have been long ago.
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i am seeing people whinge and go "bhopping doesnt make u invincible", and all this other crap thats going on.
Let me share a few points of experience.
Now while i have never had the pleasure of playing with some foreign clans (i am an australian btw),
some of our clans, and their players, with a script, can whipe out far too many marines because they are moving faster than its possible for some people to aim. This is not to say they dont die, but if one skulk can whipe out 3 marines who arent exactly newbie, then scripted bhopping should be culled.
I mean seriously takes the fun and competition out if you can do something without skill, 'wow i can bind it so that it does all the hard work for me' - some people call it clever, but personally its giving you an unfair advantage over other players. And unfair advantages should really be banned (excluding obvious factors such as experience, natural skill etc).
As soon as a game wanders down the path where everyone starts scripting because everyone has to be the best, and it looses its friendliness because everyone wants to win- the game becomes crap and people find a new thrill. Take counterstrike for example (heh i should be carstrated for mentioning the name here but its an example!); while its still one of the most popular games out ther, some figures suggest its population is stagnent and in some cases diing, and this was primarily attributed to people being put off by the fact that less skill is required and more scripting logic ;P
If NS ever heads there i will personally conduct a witchhunt and find all the scripters hehe;
na but seriously; why not play a game the way it was MEANT to be played; it would appear true that when one person has a really crappy day they will either just go, 'bugger it' and go and do something else for a time (which is the best idea u can have), or they wander off to scripts.com or hax0r.net or whatever, and the game becomes no longer enjoyable, just something like an engine- it has to be efficient, perfect, and work.
so thats my little rant on scripting heh
My point is that if thats the only reason to keep 'wait' why not make it so that there are <b>actual commands</b> to do the weapon switch or WHATEVER it is that people feel they need to script, so that there is no more need to 'make special binds' for them.
In fact, if you really want to level the playing field, make it so its impossible to even use the bind or alias command manually, at all, forcing players to rely PURELY on the 'control setup' screen to specify their controls.
Then, once its impossible to make alias or bind scripts, wipe all binds and each time NS starts, simply apply only what people have bound in the 'controls setup screen'.
Then add some new 'controls' (ie, quick weapon switch, whatever) to bind in the 'controls setup screen' to replace those things which are now impossible to do.
That way the creators can decide *exactly* what 'commands' people can use... and if they don't supply you with a command which does a bunny hop for you, then you aren't meant to have one!
On the other hand, bhoping scripts are getting rather annoying with focus (cough, romano, cough). A skulk with bhop, focus, and celerity completely dominates early on, and it's not fun. It just seems like there should be a happy medium without removing ALL custom binds but still removing the bhop scripts and pistol scripts, etc.
Since when?
If you need a weapon change script, you need to rethink your time in NS. I get by just fine with lastinv. Even as a blink/swipe/blink fade. Sure, I have to keep a running memory of what my last weapon was (If it was acid rocket, blink, or swipe or whatever), but if I do the same as a weapon switch scripter without the scripts, that says a whole helluva lot about me, doesn't it?
If you can point out a LEGITIMATE use of wait, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise.. well..
1. Increased Speed
2. Harder to Hit
3. Makes a little less noise
What does a skulk lose by bunnyhopping?
hmm...
Since there's no real penalty to bunnyhopping, everyone's going to do it. If the skulk hitboxes are truely fixed, bunnyhopping shouldn't be as much of a problem. How many people complain about bunnyhopping gorges? Still, it's unrealistic to expect people to refrain from scripts. Face the reality and balance the game for bunnyhopping skulks.
hmm yea?
If the only way to set up keys was in setup theres no way id be able to run a config like this, yet it as legit as they come...
I agree with remove wait, I dun need to spam a key to bhop and I actually find weapon switch scripts are a hinderance.
Someone want to explain what special does?
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What? You've played for a year? No more NS for you then. And you there, you killed five skulks without reloading? You are too skilled to play this, we are hardcoding a ban for your won and steam id's.
MX700 today or tommorow. Ohh, yeah, mouse spam here we come.
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What? You've played for a year? No more NS for you then. And you there, you killed five skulks without reloading? You are too skilled to play this, we are hardcoding a ban for your won and steam id's. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
...Umm, are you joking, or did you just mix up 'excluding' with 'including' in his post?
you would never see skulks get kills <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Skulks don't need hopping to get kills. If you believe this then you never played 1.04. Most skulks didn't know a thing about bhopping. It wasn't until 2.0 that bhopping aliens became prevalent.
You people can come on here and pretend you actually know something if you like, but its not going to fool me, and it sure is hell isn't going to fool anybody else that has a bit of sense either.
I propose that bhopping be removed. It is clearly a sensitive topic. We beef up the skulks in other ways after the removal of bhop. They are still fast, small, hard to hit little buggers.
Oh, more thing:
You can quote Flayra all you want, but that doesn't mean a thing either. Flayra can change his mind in a heartbeat if he wants and hopefully one day he will. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
For example, some mouse software (And some macro software) allows you to cause a continuous keypress or mouse button on and off to be fed to the game, at the driver level.
Removing script commands has thus got no effect on bunnyhopping.
If you want to remove it, then remove it entirely at the game level, instead of script level.
Else leave it in because messing with script stuff doesnt erally stop it anyway
For example, some mouse software (And some macro software) allows you to cause a continuous keypress or mouse button on and off to be fed to the game, at the driver level.
Removing script commands has thus got no effect on bunnyhopping.
If you want to remove it, then remove it entirely at the game level, instead of script level.
Else leave it in because messing with script stuff doesnt erally stop it anyway <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a horrid justification for keeping wait commands in.
Doing jumps on the driver level is one thing, doing it with ingame scripts is another. Ingame scripts allow anyone to press a button and do anything that anyone with a lastinv bind or whatnot can do with lots of practice. The "Copy some text and be a god at NS" is the problem here, not the "Let's remove bunnyhopping omg lame lame" problem.
I can Bhop damned well with the space bar. And I've noticed that with Celerity and hopping around like I'm on CRACK nets me 4x of a longer life then not hopping. But it should be timing, not a script that does the hopping.
Even mousewheel is different.. If you're rolling that wheel like a nutjob to jump like a maniac, you're probably not gonna press fire well enough. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
rofl.
That's not a problem because it DOESN'T HAPPEN. God you're so absolutely ignorant. Modifying your config.cfg is an exploit? Damn my script that switches my voice comm key from Mouse3 to Mouse5 to Shift (for commander) is SUCH AN EXPLOIT. OMG. Scripts don't make the player. Quit your incessant whining about scripts
BTW this is Nadagast...dunno why I'm on Maven's acct.
I mean do you know how silly it looks?Skulks less so,but skulks bhopping doesnt mean bouncing,it means they fly from one end of the map on wings of bhopping +99.
Im telling you,celerity skulks using bhopping can easily rush a marine start and end the game RIGHT THERE....its even worse than 2.0 celerity skulk rushes(how many of you played CLAN GAMES where celerity skulks in 2.0 just wiped you all out due to insane speeD?).At least in 2.0,you had to spend res on MCs.
I thought the entire point of nerfing 2.0 celerity for skulks was to prevent that kind of situation...where it makes it too easy for skulks to move in close and kill marines?
Well what is the point of leaving bhopping for skulks?It does the same thing.
The curious thing is... I pretty sure I've killed more marines by sneaking up to them with <walk> then I have bunnyhopping toward them.
Forme bunnyhopping is mostly used to get from point A to point B quickly or to escape... especially when I'm gorge/onos.
Now on to the meat.
Regardless of whether or not bunnyhopping gives you an advantage in the game, using a script to produce the result would be a violation of using commands that affect intended gameplay.... thus exploiting... thus cheating.
Another thing i'd like to point out is that using your mouse scroll to spawn many command faster than you could normally do so is just another form of scripting.... not a "programmable" script, but still a mechanism that gives you ability to do something you could otherwise not do as easily. Since this "script" affects intended gameplay it also must be considered an exploit... and thus cheating.
There's always a good argument to be had as to what constitutes "intended gameplay", but I think you can guess what side I'd take.
The lesson learned: Just because you CAN does not mean you SHOULD
But you already knew that didn't you...
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view.
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
:lol:
grow up
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:lol:
grow up <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Last, you are a freakin' tard, and are the LAST person (Oh ho, I maek funny) that should be in this thread.
I completely own you because I do everything in NS the way it's meant to be done. You ADMIT to scripting. There's no excuse for that. Ever.
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
A few minor things such as turning at the right speed at the right time at the right angle and alternating the strafe keys are required for the player to do beyond hitting the "+jump;wait;-jump;wait;+jump;wait;-jump" key.
Having a key bound to jump multiple times in one hit for you does not automatically enable them to bunny hop with any degree of skill.
Bah, the idiot isn't even worth it. "Copy text and be a good NS player" DOES happen. I've seen it. Just because YOU haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Widen your view. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:lol:
grow up <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Last, you are a freakin' tard, and are the LAST person (Oh ho, I maek funny) that should be in this thread.
I completely own you because I do everything in NS the way it's meant to be done. You ADMIT to scripting. There's no excuse for that. Ever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me bows to the new king. (His domain I'll leave to the imagination)
wait hasn't been taken out, if it is bunnyhopping will still exist - end of story
For example, I use the 3 jump script and Powerstrip. Nowadays, people are afraid to say such things because they are instantly flamed by someone.
"Omg FLayra said exploit; cheat; unfair; omg" Silly kids <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Any scripts whatsoever should be frowned apon by everyone.
Scripting just shows how incredibly lazy you are, and it shows you're not willing to play like the rest of the players.
And I like calling people like you 'script kiddies.'
kkthxbai.
Bunnyhopping is not the jumping up and down repeatedly of a person. It is using an exploit in the engine physics to run/jump and gather insane amounts of speed. A bunny doesn't hop up and down to avoid predators, it "hops" very fast in a given direction- which is what this exploit looks like and there fore named after.
Every thread I read when this bunnyhopping issue surfaced (by the mods/creators) addressed the problem as described above, and they never had any real problems with jumping to avoid an attack. Jumping does not make you invincible, and both sides are quite capable of doing so. Scripts that make you jump a bunch of times seems silly to me, but I suppose some of you find them useful. In any case, let us leave this topic dead as it should have been long ago.