The lobby system might seem jarring at first, since we're accustomed to a proper server browser, but when you think about it a little bit more you realise that a server browser full of four man servers wouldn't really be any better. You'd spend your time hunting for non-full servers. The games are a bit more intimate so picking a server for it's good usual crowd is largely irrelevant.
Expert is definitely the difficulty for someone that's played FPS games before. It is PUNISHINGLY difficult. I haven't managed to finish a game on expert yet. Running out of ammo is a serious concern, and tanks are pretty much GG if you don't handle them perfectly.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
I have run into one tank on expert so far.
It wasn't that bad tbh.
I mean, it nearly killed me, but only me, and I was the only one fighting it..... (it ended with me knocked down and the other 3 finally turning around)
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--quoteo(post=1692743:date=Nov 7 2008, 03:25 AM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Nov 7 2008, 03:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692743"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The lobby system might seem jarring at first, since we're accustomed to a proper server browser, but when you think about it a little bit more you realise that a server browser full of four man servers wouldn't really be any better.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's the only way I pick servers because I enjoy getting a good ping; which hardly happens with the Matchmaking as it tends to connect you to servers on the other side of the globe. It also sucks that the game only gives you the option to make a listen server after you fail to find a dedicated server.
Other than the terrible matchmaking the game is amazing, but going into another map with terrible health on Expert pretty much seals the deal which then leads to frustration but that's what I demand from a zombie apocalypse. Too bad Advanced is way too easy.
<!--quoteo(post=1692743:date=Nov 7 2008, 09:25 AM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Nov 7 2008, 09:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692743"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The lobby system might seem jarring at first, since we're accustomed to a proper server browser, but when you think about it a little bit more you realise that a server browser full of four man servers wouldn't really be any better. You'd spend your time hunting for non-full servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->No, I would filter out full servers if I had a proper server browser, like I do with every other game.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The games are a bit more intimate so picking a server for it's good usual crowd is largely irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Within a few weeks you won't want to play Advanced mode any more because it will be too easy. But on Expert you need to be able to pick your teammates wisely. You should be able to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated server without getting stuck with randoms.
I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1692754:date=Nov 7 2008, 03:54 AM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Nov 7 2008, 03:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692754"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, I would filter out full servers if I had a proper server browser, like I do with every other game.
Within a few weeks you won't want to play Advanced mode any more because it will be too easy. But on Expert you need to be able to pick your teammates wisely. You should be able to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated server without getting stuck with randoms.
I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couldn't they just go and put in a party system? /sigh
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1692754:date=Nov 7 2008, 07:54 AM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Nov 7 2008, 07:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692754"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, I would filter out full servers if I had a proper server browser, like I do with every other game.
Within a few weeks you won't want to play Advanced mode any more because it will be too easy. But on Expert you need to be able to pick your teammates wisely. You should be able to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated server without getting stuck with randoms.
I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I saw a server that was marked as friends only, so I think you can.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited November 2008
What I don't get is the sudden leap of difficulty between a level 3 (advanced) and level 4 (expert) difficulty rating...<ul><li>Easy, hmm dunno haven't tried it... But yeah the name probably says it all <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /></li><li>Normal is way to easy if you know how to use a mouse and shoot stuff (You have way to much ammo vs zombie ratio, you simply do not run out)</li><li>Advanced is interesting, but still theres that ammo problem (not running out, so consevation has no meaing here as well) and you can still take a helluva lot of punishment</li><li>And then there is Expert, which is an extreme leap up from a difficulty just one level down. Where you can't take much hits at all and ammo is a big burden...</li></ul>Am I missing a difficulty mode here?
-Easy -Normal -Advanced -Expert -Nightmare mode <- close to what expert is right now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Another thing is I'm not a fan of is the sudden spawning of zombie hordes that automaticly know where your team is. Even when you're just hiding in a corner or behind stuff, not making any sound. Whats this: "radar guided zombie drones"?
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1692774:date=Nov 7 2008, 10:50 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kouji_San @ Nov 7 2008, 10:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692774"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What I don't get is the sudden leap of difficulty between a level 3 (advanced) and level 4 (expert) difficulty rating...<ul><li>Easy, hmm dunno haven't tried it... But yeah the name probably says it all <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /></li><li>Normal is way to easy if you know how to use a mouse and shoot stuff (You have way to much ammo vs zombie ratio, you simply do not run out)</li><li>Advanced is interesting, but still theres that ammo problem (not running out, so consevation has no meaing here as well) and you can still take a helluva lot of punishment</li><li>And then there is Expert, which is an extreme leap up from a difficulty just one level down. Where you can't take much hits at all and ammo is a big burden...</li></ul>Am I missing a difficulty mode here?
-Easy -Normal -Advanced -Expert -Nightmare mode <- close to what expert is right now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> Another thing is I'm not a fan of is the sudden spawning of zombie hordes that automaticly know where your team is. Even when your just hiding in a corner, not making any sound. Whats this: "radar guided zombie drones"?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
With you on a more fluid DC slope.
However, the horde knowing where you are is generally triggered by something like: 1) The idiots that always have to shoot/jump on the car 2) getting puked on by a boomer 3) a key point where the director thinks a zombie horde is a good idea (seems to often be linked to finding gun upgrades)
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited November 2008
I can understand when were shooting zombies out in the open, the horde somehow gets wind of this "ratatata" sound, boomer puking all over your team or people with a fasination for shiny cars with alarms. They I expect them to start steamroling into our general direction, but I want hiding/sneaking to mean something!
Just imaging! A horde of zombies running down the street with you hiding behind a box or car, hoping not to get spotted...
Also I've yet to get a scare out of this game <img src="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/1/folder_post_icons/icon5.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" /> it's edgy, but nothing like the first parts of doom3. You know before you get the shotgun <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
The witch encounters are really well done <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> The music and the sobbing works good I think.
<!--quoteo(post=1692762:date=Nov 7 2008, 12:52 PM:name=Shockwave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shockwave @ Nov 7 2008, 12:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692762"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Myself and three of the ENSL guys (including sherpa) did Expert on the second try. Am I playing some different game to you people?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you sure it was expert Shock I thought it was advanced?
I mean, John "frG" Rambo ran up to a witch and solo'd her with 3 shotgun shells.
My feelings are the game is a 7/10 if you play with randoms, 9/10 if you play with friends. I tend to find if a random pubber goes down I'll take care of number 1 before picking him up but if it's a friend I'll zerg rush a group of zombies- pistol-whipping if I have to- to bring him up.
<!--quoteo(post=1692657:date=Nov 6 2008, 01:43 PM:name=6john)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(6john @ Nov 6 2008, 01:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692657"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and if you think the boss zombies are nothing, try playing on expert. good gravy its tough. a tank alone wiped out everyone from nearly full health with assault rifles.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't mean that they arent powerful, but they're not particularly unique. Just shoot them a lot until they die, The gameplay seems pretty much exactly the same boss or normal zombies. I prefer "boss" fights to exhibit some sort of adjustment in strategy, not just "use more bullets."
douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
thats true to an extent, but ive noticed slight differences in how i handle different bosses. with boomers the strategy is to knock them away with melee, with hunters its to stay behind things and dodge a lot, with tanks its to run and put as much walls, corners, cars, anything between you and them as possible, and with smokers its basically see them before youve got a tongue around your neck
douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited November 2008
apologies for the dbl post, but tis warranted:
PLAY AS THE INFECTED! "sv_cheats 1" in console to change team to infected "ent_fire !self setteam 3" in console
to get the game to start once on that team type "director_force_versus_start 1" in console
to spawn type "z_spawn tank" in console "z_spawn hunter" in console "z_spawn smoker" in console "z_spawn boomer" in console
i had a crash once or twice, and also i noticed that the breakable walls and climbable spots are not visible like they showed the previews, so you'll just have to guess as to how to do that.
douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
with hunters you can actually wall jump from one wall to another. as long as youre in the air and touching a wall you can make another lunge, so its possible to zigzag up an alley to the top of the buildings
<!--quoteo(post=1692819:date=Nov 8 2008, 08:24 AM:name=NeonSpyder)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NeonSpyder @ Nov 8 2008, 08:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692819"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wasn't players playing for the boss infected supposed to be a big part of the game? Why do you have to cheat to get it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because versus mode isn't released yet.
<!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can start friend-only games. You can also invite friends to your game, and kick people from the lobby. It's really not difficult.
"This game isn't currently available, please try again later"
4 hours later, still same.
/twitch
Restarted steam, verified files, defragged files, restarted PC, same same same.
I love steam, it DLed the game in almost 800kb/s and buying was over in minutes but when ###### like this happens I wonder if it's worth it. No game I bought retail have ever done something like this. Everything is fine and installed and loaded but some general error is just keeping me from playing.
Man, Advanced was still easy, and I had the stupid AI bots for a team. AND I picked up the auto shotgun just for kicks.
Still gotta try Expert.
I've enjoyed it so far, but I totally understand the why doesn't sneaking work problem. I mean, seriously, if I'm pistol sniping them down the hall, that's one thing, but I'm crouch walking in the street I already cleared and suddenly the "a hoarde is coming" music starts for no reason. =[
But yeah, I've played with just dual pistols to make it harder. And you can totally just have one person on melee duty while the rest shoot them up.
Yes, go play on the highest difficulty and it's worth it totally. 2 of my teammates were dead and me and the other person left were down to 1 health each. A witch and room of guys stood between us and saving out teammates. The witch sadly got activated, and I went down, but between me pistolling and her shotgunning, she lived and got our teammates out, was amazing.
Fast forward to the end, all low on health again but heading to the exit and same lady molotov's us so we all fall as she heads to win by herself. I shoot her in the head just before she turns the corner in the safe house. We all lose! Yet still fun.
<!--quoteo(post=1692827:date=Nov 7 2008, 06:32 PM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Nov 7 2008, 06:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692827"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Man, Advanced was still easy, and I had the stupid AI bots for a team. AND I picked up the auto shotgun just for kicks.
Still gotta try Expert.
I've enjoyed it so far, but I totally understand the why doesn't sneaking work problem. I mean, seriously, if I'm pistol sniping them down the hall, that's one thing, but I'm crouch walking in the street I already cleared and suddenly the "a hoarde is coming" music starts for no reason. =[
But yeah, I've played with just dual pistols to make it harder. And you can totally just have one person on melee duty while the rest shoot them up.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Expert is supposedly when the game really gets hard and you have to coordinate with good team mates in order to succeed.
The game is a lot of fun so far. Can't wait for the full version.
Expert is really the only difficulty worth playing, cause you have a good chance of losing. The primary game mechanic is crouching and positioning so everyone has a clear shot at zombies. Also, balancing melee with firing, timed reloading, and not wasting health packs, but those are a given. I was actually hoping there would be more emphasis on resource management, like in zombie panic. But that can get confusing. Oh, and don't wake the witch. I'm surprised at how simplistic the game is without player controlled zombies... <!--quoteo(post=1692695:date=Nov 6 2008, 06:33 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Nov 6 2008, 06:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692695"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I imagine playing Natural Selection with bots would be similarly mediocre.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yep, I guess you're right. That about sums it up. So, what makes or breaks this game is how player zombs are implemented.
Comprox story brings me to something I had forgotten I wanted to ask about: What keeps total, utter ######tards like that from ruining your game with rampant teamkilling? I understand there's not even going to be an OPTION to turn friendly fire off, which sounds appalling.
douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
in the full game all stats are going to be tracked. ALL stats. friendly fire, zombies killed, zombies headshotted, boss zombies killed, players defended by killing a zombie thats about to attack them, and other stuff like that, so in the lobby you can see what kind of player they are and kick them if need be.
also theres a call vote option in game, with options like restart campaign, change difficulty, and i think theres a kick player.
I wonder if people won't be able to game that system, such as never shooting your teammates but molotoving them right at the end so they all fall as you head to win by yourself. Surgical application of ######tardery rather indiscriminate spraying of bullets at all your teammates won't show up as significantly elevated friendly fire in the stats.
Most systems are abuseable, and I'd rather have permanent friendly fire rather than the option to turn it off. No friendly fire just doesn't fit the game. There could also simply be a stat for number of times kicked.
Comments
The lobby system might seem jarring at first, since we're accustomed to a proper server browser, but when you think about it a little bit more you realise that a server browser full of four man servers wouldn't really be any better. You'd spend your time hunting for non-full servers. The games are a bit more intimate so picking a server for it's good usual crowd is largely irrelevant.
Expert is definitely the difficulty for someone that's played FPS games before. It is PUNISHINGLY difficult. I haven't managed to finish a game on expert yet. Running out of ammo is a serious concern, and tanks are pretty much GG if you don't handle them perfectly.
So far, daddy like.
--Scythe--
It wasn't that bad tbh.
I mean, it nearly killed me, but only me, and I was the only one fighting it..... (it ended with me knocked down and the other 3 finally turning around)
So far, I like.
It's the only way I pick servers because I enjoy getting a good ping; which hardly happens with the Matchmaking as it tends to connect you to servers on the other side of the globe. It also sucks that the game only gives you the option to make a listen server after you fail to find a dedicated server.
Other than the terrible matchmaking the game is amazing, but going into another map with terrible health on Expert pretty much seals the deal which then leads to frustration but that's what I demand from a zombie apocalypse. Too bad Advanced is way too easy.
DON'T SHOOT THE RED CAR.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The games are a bit more intimate so picking a server for it's good usual crowd is largely irrelevant.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Within a few weeks you won't want to play Advanced mode any more because it will be too easy. But on Expert you need to be able to pick your teammates wisely. You should be able to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated server without getting stuck with randoms.
I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?
Within a few weeks you won't want to play Advanced mode any more because it will be too easy. But on Expert you need to be able to pick your teammates wisely. You should be able to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated server without getting stuck with randoms.
I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couldn't they just go and put in a party system? /sigh
Within a few weeks you won't want to play Advanced mode any more because it will be too easy. But on Expert you need to be able to pick your teammates wisely. You should be able to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated server without getting stuck with randoms.
I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I saw a server that was marked as friends only, so I think you can.
-Easy
-Normal
-Advanced
-Expert
-Nightmare mode <- close to what expert is right now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Another thing is I'm not a fan of is the sudden spawning of zombie hordes that automaticly know where your team is. Even when you're just hiding in a corner or behind stuff, not making any sound. Whats this: "radar guided zombie drones"?
-Easy
-Normal
-Advanced
-Expert
-Nightmare mode <- close to what expert is right now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Another thing is I'm not a fan of is the sudden spawning of zombie hordes that automaticly know where your team is. Even when your just hiding in a corner, not making any sound. Whats this: "radar guided zombie drones"?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
With you on a more fluid DC slope.
However, the horde knowing where you are is generally triggered by something like:
1) The idiots that always have to shoot/jump on the car
2) getting puked on by a boomer
3) a key point where the director thinks a zombie horde is a good idea (seems to often be linked to finding gun upgrades)
Just imaging! A horde of zombies running down the street with you hiding behind a box or car, hoping not to get spotted...
Also I've yet to get a scare out of this game <img src="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/1/folder_post_icons/icon5.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" /> it's edgy, but nothing like the first parts of doom3. You know before you get the shotgun <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Are you sure it was expert Shock I thought it was advanced?
I mean, John "frG" Rambo ran up to a witch and solo'd her with 3 shotgun shells.
My feelings are the game is a 7/10 if you play with randoms, 9/10 if you play with friends. I tend to find if a random pubber goes down I'll take care of number 1 before picking him up but if it's a friend I'll zerg rush a group of zombies- pistol-whipping if I have to- to bring him up.
I don't mean that they arent powerful, but they're not particularly unique. Just shoot them a lot until they die, The gameplay seems pretty much exactly the same boss or normal zombies. I prefer "boss" fights to exhibit some sort of adjustment in strategy, not just "use more bullets."
PLAY AS THE INFECTED!
"sv_cheats 1" in console
to change team to infected
"ent_fire !self setteam 3" in console
to get the game to start once on that team type
"director_force_versus_start 1" in console
to spawn type
"z_spawn tank" in console
"z_spawn hunter" in console
"z_spawn smoker" in console
"z_spawn boomer" in console
i had a crash once or twice, and also i noticed that the breakable walls and climbable spots are not visible like they showed the previews, so you'll just have to guess as to how to do that.
Because versus mode isn't released yet.
<!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I want to play this game with my friends. Is there any reliable way to do this on PC, or am I going to be forced to get it on the 360? WTH?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can start friend-only games. You can also invite friends to your game, and kick people from the lobby. It's really not difficult.
--Scythe--
4 hours later, still same.
/twitch
Restarted steam, verified files, defragged files, restarted PC, same same same.
I love steam, it DLed the game in almost 800kb/s and buying was over in minutes but when ###### like this happens I wonder if it's worth it. No game I bought retail have ever done something like this. Everything is fine and installed and loaded but some general error is just keeping me from playing.
Still gotta try Expert.
I've enjoyed it so far, but I totally understand the why doesn't sneaking work problem. I mean, seriously, if I'm pistol sniping them down the hall, that's one thing, but I'm crouch walking in the street I already cleared and suddenly the "a hoarde is coming" music starts for no reason. =[
But yeah, I've played with just dual pistols to make it harder. And you can totally just have one person on melee duty while the rest shoot them up.
Yes, go play on the highest difficulty and it's worth it totally. 2 of my teammates were dead and me and the other person left were down to 1 health each. A witch and room of guys stood between us and saving out teammates. The witch sadly got activated, and I went down, but between me pistolling and her shotgunning, she lived and got our teammates out, was amazing.
Fast forward to the end, all low on health again but heading to the exit and same lady molotov's us so we all fall as she heads to win by herself. I shoot her in the head just before she turns the corner in the safe house. We all lose! Yet still fun.
Still gotta try Expert.
I've enjoyed it so far, but I totally understand the why doesn't sneaking work problem. I mean, seriously, if I'm pistol sniping them down the hall, that's one thing, but I'm crouch walking in the street I already cleared and suddenly the "a hoarde is coming" music starts for no reason. =[
But yeah, I've played with just dual pistols to make it harder. And you can totally just have one person on melee duty while the rest shoot them up.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Expert is supposedly when the game really gets hard and you have to coordinate with good team mates in order to succeed.
The game is a lot of fun so far. Can't wait for the full version.
Expert is really the only difficulty worth playing, cause you have a good chance of losing. The primary game mechanic is crouching and positioning so everyone has a clear shot at zombies. Also, balancing melee with firing, timed reloading, and not wasting health packs, but those are a given. I was actually hoping there would be more emphasis on resource management, like in zombie panic. But that can get confusing. Oh, and don't wake the witch. I'm surprised at how simplistic the game is without player controlled zombies...
<!--quoteo(post=1692695:date=Nov 6 2008, 06:33 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Nov 6 2008, 06:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1692695"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I imagine playing Natural Selection with bots would be similarly mediocre.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yep, I guess you're right. That about sums it up. So, what makes or breaks this game is how player zombs are implemented.
also theres a call vote option in game, with options like restart campaign, change difficulty, and i think theres a kick player.