Gorge spit is overpowered
Shino
Join Date: 2012-11-26 Member: 173316Members
Join Date: 2012-11-26 Member: 173316Members
I saw a gorge go 28-1 in a pub as a gorge. He had more frags than higher lifeforms on our team (fades/onos)
I think it's now impossible to kill a gorge+3 hydras now. If you want to kill a gorge, commanders are going to have to medspam.
The game is already imbalanced towards aliens.
I think it's now impossible to kill a gorge+3 hydras now. If you want to kill a gorge, commanders are going to have to medspam.
The game is already imbalanced towards aliens.
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Or Captain Obvious.
Pics or it didn't happen.
Is it overpowered or are marines just overconfident after killing too many love hippos so easily?
pls nerf
I think it's now impossible to kill a gorge+3 hydras now. If you want to kill a gorge, commanders are going to have to medspam.
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Literally went 4v4 in a server as they alien team had 3 gorges and 1 alien.
We couldn't kill one gorge due to humans having nothing at the beginning of the round. The whole enemy team had like 2 deaths to our defeat.
Seriously needs to be fixed. Either give humans more bang at the beginning or reduce Gorge HP please :)
I would pump 600 damage into one gorge and they would still live.
Loads of people have said its OP, even before patchnotes. Any discussion about gorge spit hitreg has usually lead to the point "well it actually does alot of damage, so would need a nerf if hitreg is fixed".
Not to mention the blinding aspect.
Probably a few people called it. I mentioned it back in <a href="http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=123443&st=0&p=2032924&#entry2032924" target="_blank">november</a> although I said massive outcrying, so not that bad yet. It's a ranged attack for 40, so pretty decent if you can hit with it.
I think it's now impossible to kill a gorge+3 hydras now. If you want to kill a gorge, commanders are going to have to medspam.
The game is already imbalanced towards aliens.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gorges are fine, just too cheap. They should cost 20 res. For as much as they can do, they shouldn't be 10 res. 15 minimum. 20 Preferable. It'd be enough to insta-gorge, and have a short wait to spam hydra. Considering the versatility of the class and the power of bilebomb, 20 res is more than fair.
15 would be fine, 20 might be a little too steep.
i played 3 games of which gorges rush to marine base within the first minute, drop hydras, heals and spits and marines get hammered every time.
if anyone has half a brain they know this needs to (and most likely will be) adjusted. It could be a lot of factors besides spit, however i think hydras should not be able to be built unless on creep. and the spit damage should be reduced. Although there are many possible combinations of adjustments. Something must be done.
Gorges were pretty defenseless against a solo marine even with 3 hydras. Even with slide they could chase you down. Spit was ineffective. Gorge rushes were common in NS. I won't comment on it being OP until I play but fixing the hit reg was necessary.
You saw ONE gorge doing this therefore ALL the system has to be tuned ?
A. run like ###### trying to jump and slide Michael J Fox style away from said marine.
B. Run in circles healing your hydras and hoping that he couldn't shoot.
Now you can actually perhaps stand and fight.
A. run like ###### trying to jump and slide Michael J Fox style away from said marine.
B. Run in circles healing your hydras and hoping that he couldn't shoot.
Now you can actually perhaps stand and fight.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the gorge is a support unit, it should be supporting other units, not soloing marines. If it is a support unit, and there are no actual combat units nearby, it deserves death.
but i was cleaning up gorge after gorge last night, despite the spit.. See no problem just yet
We couldn't kill one gorge due to humans having nothing at the beginning of the round. The whole enemy team had like 2 deaths to our defeat.
Seriously needs to be fixed. Either give humans more bang at the beginning or reduce Gorge HP please :)
I would pump 600 damage into one gorge and they would still live.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i was there in that match (my handle in-game is [Int]Ice)
he speaks the truth. 3 gorges alternating spit and healspray at W0/A0 4v4 were eating us alive. 3 marines focusfire on one still couldnt kill it before we were all dead, mostly in part due to the blind coupled with the high damage. a single gorge is fine, and after upgrades for marines a rush of all gorges is fine. early game the damage + RoF + blind = just too much for right out of the gate. 3 gorges + 2 skulks would likely just obliterate at game start.
don't get me wrong, i like gorges and their build/support/ect role, and agree they should have a bit of bite, but somethin hasta be tweaked on this front.
suggestion to potentially fix without completely screwing gorge over: lower the rate of fire a bit for its huge damage and blind. then it STILL blinds, and still has nasty damage, but doesnt fire like a machine gun and needs to be aimed a bit more carefully
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As ScardyBob says the 38-1 Gorge was in this case probably just very skilled, versus very unskilled players. Lol, I do not even consider myself awesomely skilled and scored around 50-0 as a skulk+fade just a few days ago(non-rookie server). Since people are having trouble crying out "aimbot" and "hacks" for alien players, as opposed to highly skilled marines, they just say it's OP.
The gorge is the only ranged life-form of the aliens, except for the lerk, but it's very slow and it would make sense to take cover from a gorge as opposed to a (close lerk)/fade/skulk/onos. People aren't just very used to the Gorge actually not being broken now.