<!--quoteo(post=1891723:date=Dec 26 2011, 07:46 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Dec 26 2011, 07:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891723"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How much is too much, Chris? Does the game have to start erasing random files from my harddrive before you'll concede that it may have flaws?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1891723:date=Dec 26 2011, 05:46 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Dec 26 2011, 05:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891723"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Let's say you want to do the thieves guild quests. A quest doesn't work, and since it's a linear quest line you can't just ignore that one and continue. The entire remaining sequence of quests is now inaccessible. That's kind of highly annoying when you wanted to play a thief-y character.
Let's say you want to do the war in skyrim quests, but Legate Rikke refuses to talk to you. Since she is critical to the entire quest line, you are locked out of that and you can't liberate/conquer Skyrim.
Yes, both of those have happened to me. In the same game. Those aren't small side quests, those are the big showy setpieces of the game. No, I am not the only one, quick searches have turned up others with the same problems, but no solutions except "here's a possible workaround that you can use if you know about it ahead of time so try starting a new character."
How much is too much, Chris? Does the game have to start erasing random files from my harddrive before you'll concede that it may have flaws?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too much is when I can't find the game entertaining.
I can play a theify sort of character without the theives guild. In fact I can't even be bothered starting the thieves guild. What's the point? There's plenty of other stuff to do.
Like take the college of winterhold, the quest is kinda cool I guess, but personally I'm far more interested in the two rather interesting looking artifacts in the basement, so I'm wandering around skyrim looking for information on them.
I also want to know what the curious looking mechanisms in various dwarven ruins are for. I've fought through quite a lot of robots and falmer to get to them and I would love to know what they do. I'd also like to know what the note about irkngthand I found on some bandits in one of the ruins meant.
I found a pommel stone of mehrune's razor on an altar in a forsworn camp miles away from anywhere, where are the rest of the bits?
Elder scrolls games have never been about the plotlines, or the set pieces, bethesda just doesn't generally do set pieces very well. The only one I liked was following the giant laser shooting robot shouting anti-communist propaganda at the end of fallout 3 because, well, I like giant laser shooting robots yelling anti communist propaganda. It's a personal preference.
The point of an elder scrolls game is to just faff around in the world, explore, find loot, write your own story. I find things like 'that one time I found a narrow pass through the mountains and stumbled upon a gigantic outdoor nord ruin with loads of zombies in it' or 'that one time I was wandering around in the mountains and it turned out that an undead priest of the dragons was just hanging around in his sarcophagus in the middle of a snowdrift and got my ass handed to me by a fireball' or 'the time I found a book about the city of labyrynthian so I went there and solved the labyrinth and got a nifty crown out of it' way more interesting than any questline.
You can get big epic quests in any game, where you run through the predetermined hoops to trigger the reward script at the end. The strength of elder scrolls games is that you don't spend any time doing that, or hardly any time anyway. You just exist in the world, and whatever happens is part of the adventure.
And in that respect the game is way better than oblivion, or morrowind. It's got better dungeons to explore, more just random cool things that aren't part of a quest and you just find them as you explore, more little side quests that mostly amount to 'go to that dungeon you were going to anyway and clear it out but also there is a little story to go with it' and more things to find. Like the standing stones, finding those is cool as you can get some awesome perks, finding dragon shouts is also cool because you get new powers, and the whole dragon fighting is awesome when you are just walking along and a shadow covers the sun and you go 'oh hell' and then a dragon comes and starts attacking you and you have to fight it on a tiny mountain path that you were climbing up and then you kill it and it smacks into the ground and you eat its soul and learn to yell at people better.
The game is just 'random cool fantasy stuff: the game'. It's like just cause 2 except just cause 2 is 'random cool action movie stuff: the game'.
Saying the game sucks because the main quest doesn't work is like saying, battlefield 1942 sucks because the singleplayer mode was just random bot matches.
The main quest is a tiny part of the game, it always has been, I don't get why anyone would buy a TES game for the quests.
Looking closer on other images I feel they are too "beautified". No defined cheekbones, no cheek wrinkles and just overall supermodel smoothed. Maybe that's just me not making a skyrim waifu though.
I would use some of them if they only applied on royal families and other women who do not toil away in a snowstorm every day.
I just think its crazy what the modding scene does compared to Bethesda. Skyrim looks and sounds so much better after checking out skyrimnexus. New ui, weapons, spells, items. Just need a revamp of the A.I. And that might arrive when the creation tools arrive.
I disagree. Faffing about has always been a big strength of the Elder Scrolls games, there's no denying that. But it's not all there is to the games. Elder Scrolls didn't gain fame by being "Faffing About: The Game," it gained fame by being "What You Like About RPGs But Also With More And Better Faffing About Than Other Games."
Take Morrowind. The main quest really shows you the world you're in, and it answers questions that cannot be answered elsewhere. You will feel much closer to the place if you join one of the great houses and play through the main quest than if you exclusively ran about the island finding random villagers' misplaced posessions and spelunking caves with nothing in them but bandits and mudcrabs.
And returning to Skyrim, it isn't just the main quest. I know I mentioned that one as an example, and I guess I shouldn't have because I never had any bugs with that. One area of the game they DID test, apparently! The problems I've had are with side quests mainly. That's all the vaunted "other stuff" that I'm supposed to do, but that doesn't work. YOU may not be interested in being the master of the thieves guild, restoring it to its former glory, and amassing unequaled riches by stealing everything that's nailed down, but I am. Who are you to tell me that isn't a valid way to play the game? And when bugs ruin that, that's when there's a problem. If you don't care, that's cool, but it's arrogant to refute my grievances as somehow not valid.
Quite plainly, I want my game to work, and it doesn't. If I bought a car and the windows didn't roll down, I'd still demand that it got fixed. I don't care that rolling the windows down isn't the main point of driving a car, it's ###### hot in here and the air conditioning has a bug where it switches to hot air every five minutes, so I need those windows.
In other news, I don't want my nord warrior to look like a barbie doll. The modding scene can call me back when they can figure out how to make faces that don't look like they spent an hour putting on makeup.
<!--quoteo(post=1891776:date=Dec 27 2011, 01:17 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Dec 27 2011, 01:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891776"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In other news, I don't want my nord warrior to look like a barbie doll. The modding scene can call me back when they can figure out how to make faces that don't look like they spent an hour putting on makeup.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, there is quite a variety to choose from. I am just in awe of 2048x2048 textures compared to the default consolish 512x512.
Her face looks awesome. But then I see her shoulder, and her console textured armor makes me cry like a school girl who just had her diary read out in class.
Mostly I'm waiting for a friend of mine to give the all-clear. Patches so major plotlines aren't bugged, stable enough so mods that fix up the UI aren't broken in a few weeks, etc.
Similarly I've been waiting to pick up Civ 5 and SotS2 for the same reasons.
This video was taken from <a href="http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=skyrims_todd_howard_dice_keynote20120208" target="_blank">http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live...keynote20120208</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1901200:date=Feb 9 2012, 09:30 AM:name=Zaggy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zaggy @ Feb 9 2012, 09:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1901200"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Things that Bethesda came up with but couldn't put into Skyrim yet:
This video was taken from <a href="http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=skyrims_todd_howard_dice_keynote20120208" target="_blank">http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live...keynote20120208</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They better release those as mods in the steamworkshop. I pretty much wanted everything they showed.
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That would be a feature not a flaw. Har har.
Let's say you want to do the war in skyrim quests, but Legate Rikke refuses to talk to you. Since she is critical to the entire quest line, you are locked out of that and you can't liberate/conquer Skyrim.
Yes, both of those have happened to me. In the same game. Those aren't small side quests, those are the big showy setpieces of the game. No, I am not the only one, quick searches have turned up others with the same problems, but no solutions except "here's a possible workaround that you can use if you know about it ahead of time so try starting a new character."
How much is too much, Chris? Does the game have to start erasing random files from my harddrive before you'll concede that it may have flaws?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too much is when I can't find the game entertaining.
I can play a theify sort of character without the theives guild. In fact I can't even be bothered starting the thieves guild. What's the point? There's plenty of other stuff to do.
Like take the college of winterhold, the quest is kinda cool I guess, but personally I'm far more interested in the two rather interesting looking artifacts in the basement, so I'm wandering around skyrim looking for information on them.
I also want to know what the curious looking mechanisms in various dwarven ruins are for. I've fought through quite a lot of robots and falmer to get to them and I would love to know what they do. I'd also like to know what the note about irkngthand I found on some bandits in one of the ruins meant.
I found a pommel stone of mehrune's razor on an altar in a forsworn camp miles away from anywhere, where are the rest of the bits?
Elder scrolls games have never been about the plotlines, or the set pieces, bethesda just doesn't generally do set pieces very well. The only one I liked was following the giant laser shooting robot shouting anti-communist propaganda at the end of fallout 3 because, well, I like giant laser shooting robots yelling anti communist propaganda. It's a personal preference.
The point of an elder scrolls game is to just faff around in the world, explore, find loot, write your own story. I find things like 'that one time I found a narrow pass through the mountains and stumbled upon a gigantic outdoor nord ruin with loads of zombies in it' or 'that one time I was wandering around in the mountains and it turned out that an undead priest of the dragons was just hanging around in his sarcophagus in the middle of a snowdrift and got my ass handed to me by a fireball' or 'the time I found a book about the city of labyrynthian so I went there and solved the labyrinth and got a nifty crown out of it' way more interesting than any questline.
You can get big epic quests in any game, where you run through the predetermined hoops to trigger the reward script at the end. The strength of elder scrolls games is that you don't spend any time doing that, or hardly any time anyway. You just exist in the world, and whatever happens is part of the adventure.
And in that respect the game is way better than oblivion, or morrowind. It's got better dungeons to explore, more just random cool things that aren't part of a quest and you just find them as you explore, more little side quests that mostly amount to 'go to that dungeon you were going to anyway and clear it out but also there is a little story to go with it' and more things to find. Like the standing stones, finding those is cool as you can get some awesome perks, finding dragon shouts is also cool because you get new powers, and the whole dragon fighting is awesome when you are just walking along and a shadow covers the sun and you go 'oh hell' and then a dragon comes and starts attacking you and you have to fight it on a tiny mountain path that you were climbing up and then you kill it and it smacks into the ground and you eat its soul and learn to yell at people better.
The game is just 'random cool fantasy stuff: the game'. It's like just cause 2 except just cause 2 is 'random cool action movie stuff: the game'.
Saying the game sucks because the main quest doesn't work is like saying, battlefield 1942 sucks because the singleplayer mode was just random bot matches.
The main quest is a tiny part of the game, it always has been, I don't get why anyone would buy a TES game for the quests.
That is awesome.
I also found a telekinesis spell doing a quest.
I wonder how many of these sorts of tomes there are.
And you didn't answer lolfighters question Chris, you just gave a personal opinion on what entertainment means to you.
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<a href="http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2812" target="_blank">http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2812</a>
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Looking closer on other images I feel they are too "beautified". No defined cheekbones, no cheek wrinkles and just overall supermodel smoothed. Maybe that's just me not making a skyrim waifu though.
I would use some of them if they only applied on royal families and other women who do not toil away in a snowstorm every day.
Boris Vallejo is better.
Take Morrowind. The main quest really shows you the world you're in, and it answers questions that cannot be answered elsewhere. You will feel much closer to the place if you join one of the great houses and play through the main quest than if you exclusively ran about the island finding random villagers' misplaced posessions and spelunking caves with nothing in them but bandits and mudcrabs.
And returning to Skyrim, it isn't just the main quest. I know I mentioned that one as an example, and I guess I shouldn't have because I never had any bugs with that. One area of the game they DID test, apparently!
The problems I've had are with side quests mainly. That's all the vaunted "other stuff" that I'm supposed to do, but that doesn't work. YOU may not be interested in being the master of the thieves guild, restoring it to its former glory, and amassing unequaled riches by stealing everything that's nailed down, but I am. Who are you to tell me that isn't a valid way to play the game? And when bugs ruin that, that's when there's a problem. If you don't care, that's cool, but it's arrogant to refute my grievances as somehow not valid.
Quite plainly, I want my game to work, and it doesn't. If I bought a car and the windows didn't roll down, I'd still demand that it got fixed. I don't care that rolling the windows down isn't the main point of driving a car, it's ###### hot in here and the air conditioning has a bug where it switches to hot air every five minutes, so I need those windows.
In other news, I don't want my nord warrior to look like a barbie doll. The modding scene can call me back when they can figure out how to make faces that don't look like they spent an hour putting on makeup.
Oh, there is quite a variety to choose from. I am just in awe of 2048x2048 textures compared to the default consolish 512x512.
Similarly I've been waiting to pick up Civ 5 and SotS2 for the same reasons.
<a href="http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3958" target="_blank">http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3958</a>
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They better release those as mods in the steamworkshop. I pretty much wanted everything they showed.
thanks talesin for sending me a ps3 invite.
That video was just plain awesome. I want a lot of those for the game.
Especially the ranger and mage kill cams.
/end thread jack. lol
Yesssir!