ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1680730:date=Jun 9 2008, 08:44 PM:name=[WHO]Them)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE([WHO]Them @ Jun 9 2008, 08:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680730"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I realized the other day that this is a really good idea if you have the space. Since it takes time to delete each file. The more versions you have, the harder it is to knock you down too far.
I've been thinking that once I get the space. I'm going to have every version of FWL, WWL, CRC, and AV randomly distributed through as many folders as I can create on my hard drive. That way it'd be pretty hard to even have a clear understanding of how hurt I'd be.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, cute idea.
I had been thinking along those lines for a few things:
1) Fill up your HDD, they can't install Viruses on it then <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> 2) Fill up your log file with vast sums of random stuff, so the next person that just does Ctrl+A -> Del gets hit with a multi min clear <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
edited June 2008
<!--quoteo(post=1680733:date=Jun 9 2008, 08:49 PM:name=Comprox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comprox @ Jun 9 2008, 08:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680733"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And yes, if anyone with high access feels like cracking some bank accounts for me, I would owe them some good cake.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> PM me, I'll be your man.
<!--quoteo(post=1680734:date=Jun 9 2008, 08:50 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jun 9 2008, 08:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680734"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->1) Fill up your HDD, they can't install Viruses on it then <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> 2) Fill up your log file with vast sums of random stuff, so the next person that just does Ctrl+A -> Del gets hit with a multi min clear <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1) This won't work unless you don't have viruses to install to other people... (Because they then could just unhide and install... or they could just delete something and then install...) 2) Smart people only clear the lines that have their IP... and if they make a mistake like you are suggesting, they kill the process and clear less.
I have yet to be hacked in any way. I guess I'm just good at keeping my IP a secret.
I have a 4.7 seeker so it's not like anything is on that I can't see. My bank account has never been touched. I'm making over 2k per hour in spam (and one warez sharer)
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--quoteo(post=1680737:date=Jun 9 2008, 09:24 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Jun 9 2008, 09:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680737"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have yet to be hacked in any way. I guess I'm just good at keeping my IP a secret.
I have a 4.7 seeker so it's not like anything is on that I can't see. My bank account has never been touched. I'm making over 2k per hour in spam (and one warez sharer)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you manage to not accidentally go onto NPC servers I think it's pretty easy to keep the IP hidden. I think when my IP was discovered it was because some of the IPs I harvested were NPCs and not players... which is why I now have that handy excel spreadsheet to ensure all the IPs I use are players. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--quoteo(post=1680740:date=Jun 9 2008, 09:35 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Jun 9 2008, 09:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680740"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->exactly, I have an excel sheet were I organize all my data.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you have one that filters NPC IPs out of your harvested ones (like the sheet i posted earlier in this thread?)? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
Speaking of which. It looks like it might be fairly easy to lift all the logs you see automagically (no user input required) with a fairly simple firefox addon.
I still have to learn enough javascript to get at the data (totally doable). And then find a way to pipe it out to an external parser (worst case you have to run a webserver on your own machine that javascript can send an ubercomplex URL to or form post/get data).
I have at least 3 ppl on me. One I keep tabs on (I'm harvesting him too).
Somehow, I stumble across some TZ ppl, not sure who they are, but I hit at least 5 of their members. They're all low, I think they went after me when I started framing their members against each other. >.>;
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1680742:date=Jun 9 2008, 06:55 PM:name=[WHO]Them)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE([WHO]Them @ Jun 9 2008, 06:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680742"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Speaking of which. It looks like it might be fairly easy to lift all the logs you see automagically (no user input required) with a fairly simple firefox addon.
I still have to learn enough javascript to get at the data (totally doable). And then find a way to pipe it out to an external parser (worst case you have to run a webserver on your own machine that javascript can send an ubercomplex URL to or form post/get data).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
After some initial headaches getting the right hooks into firefox. I now have a little extension that recognizes that you're looking at slavehack and has individual page parsers for each interface (software/hardware/internet/slaves....). And it looks like firefox extensions will let you launch an external program directly so piping in and out of the script to a language I really know should be totally doable.
I'd like some feature ideas.
So far what I've been thinking of it handling is this -Automatically sifting through every log you see for ip's and bank accounts. No need to highlight any text or copy/paste -Keeping a database of seen ip's, with "last seen" used as a measure of validity. -Replacing your ip with a something else any time you hit "Edit Log" and your ip is still in there. Possibly a toggleable automatic line clear any time a log is seen with your ip if you're super paranoid.
-Automatically inserting the proper password from your slaves page any time you try to log into a machine you've already cracked.
-Prepping an account # and bank ip to transfer all money to whenever the transfer page is seen. This combined with the password replacer above could make for a very stealthy heist.
-Possibly monitoring your hard drive size to see when it changes behind your back (hacked). That one sounds a bit hard though.
-Automatic log camping? Dunno, that sounds plain evil.
You might want to put on hold on this feature. While the others are passive (even the bank one seems a bit leery), this one will definitely trip their ban on bots.
Could someone upload a firewall that is about 4 gigs? My HDD got wiped, so I am going to lay low for a while (Im days off a IP reset or I can pay 2.2 million dollars <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />) When I do come back though, I just want to stick a decent firewall on my PC to keep most people off. Sadly my HDD is only 5 gigs right now so I don't want anything too big.
Or someone could even upload it directly to me? I could give you my IP.
So, I've been playing this for a bit. Like it a lot, reminds me of Uplink. Anyhow, I joined the group last night, can't get on the server today. Firewall is too high. >.>
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1680783:date=Jun 10 2008, 11:09 AM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Jun 10 2008, 11:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680783"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, I've been playing this for a bit. Like it a lot, reminds me of Uplink. Anyhow, I joined the group last night, can't get on the server today. Firewall is too high. >.><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> heh
some one must have been uploading more .fwls to it. Some one should go around and hide them with a .2
AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
Who would do me a huge favor by getting my IP and sending me a firewall to keep some of the lower level guys out? I currently just have stock hardware, and I figure I could upgrade my Hard drive to get room for some higher level programs.
Ok I hid the level 4 firewall that was keeping everyone out. I'm not going to unhide the 1.1 one because there's too much log camping below that level, so it would be a security risk to have people logging in. abra pm IP
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
edited June 2008
<!--quoteo(post=1680793:date=Jun 10 2008, 12:15 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Jun 10 2008, 12:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680793"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Who would do me a huge favor by getting my IP and sending me a firewall to keep some of the lower level guys out? I currently just have stock hardware, and I figure I could upgrade my Hard drive to get room for some higher level programs.
What should my plan be?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1680716:date=Jun 9 2008, 08:10 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Jun 9 2008, 08:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680716"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Two things you could do:
1. Format your HD, reset your IP. This will clear out some space and get people off your tail. After that, go to the GS and see if there are any low level stuff you can download straight from there that will help you out... and then go off on your merry way attempting to build money again (after clearing your logs to hide the group server IP from anyone)
2. Go camp the banks and try to make a bank heist and then immediately buy a larger HD and such, and go to option 1... This is a really good choice right now for you if you don't have anything really worth saving because there is really no risk. Be sure to get a new bank account after this because someone will probably have your info...
Oh, and for Option 2... If you want a bank account cracked post a message here and someone with a 5.0 Firewall and cracker can do it for you. (I did around 20 of these for Thansal) <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Abra, I recommend Option 2. Fastest way to upgrade your stuff, if you're lucky.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
edited June 2008
Hmph, I need more slaves. down to 20 slaves spamming and they really don't net me much $$.
I am going to start camping bank logs for more IPs (was doing that but now SH is not responding again)
If it wasn't for everything being so flaky I would be tempted to do one massive bank run
I have a number of accounts, just crack them all, then do the daisy chain of transfers. Ending it all with spending the $$ and resetting my IP <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--quoteo(post=1680799:date=Jun 10 2008, 12:40 PM:name=Isamil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Isamil @ Jun 10 2008, 12:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680799"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I spy Psyke on the GS (you forgot to take the gs ip out of your logs, I just did it for you)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's true. I haven't been playing for days really other than logging on, going on the GS, and collecting income. Haven't been doing ANYTHING risky, and haven't had a virus, so I got a bit lazy there I guess. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Lazy enough to not even bother deleting my IP from the GS.
Good news though, I'll stop being so lazy tonight. I am planning on playing slavehack during my three hour night class. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
you have a virus now. I don't know if you caught my IP, forgot about it for a minute once. also, you don't have the max seeker, so someone could have hidden a virus on you. you don't have any besides mine though.
<!--quoteo(post=1680777:date=Jun 10 2008, 07:34 AM:name=Comprox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comprox @ Jun 10 2008, 07:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680777"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Could someone upload a firewall that is about 4 gigs? My HDD got wiped, so I am going to lay low for a while (Im days off a IP reset or I can pay 2.2 million dollars <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />) When I do come back though, I just want to stick a decent firewall on my PC to keep most people off. Sadly my HDD is only 5 gigs right now so I don't want anything too big.
Or someone could even upload it directly to me? I could give you my IP.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Alright, I've set you up with a semi-decent FW and WWL. That took way too long, my poor connection just cannot deal with uploads.
<!--quoteo(post=1680796:date=Jun 10 2008, 10:29 AM:name=Isamil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Isamil @ Jun 10 2008, 10:29 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680796"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok I hid the level 4 firewall that was keeping everyone out. I'm not going to unhide the 1.1 one because there's too much log camping below that level, so it would be a security risk to have people logging in. abra pm IP<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, Theslan kindly gave me a 0.8 waterwall, which is not enough to get into the server still. I have space for a larger waterwall if someone wants to upload it, or wants to lower the server so I can get in and get one at least?
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I realized the other day that this is a really good idea if you have the space. Since it takes time to delete each file. The more versions you have, the harder it is to knock you down too far.
I've been thinking that once I get the space. I'm going to have every version of FWL, WWL, CRC, and AV randomly distributed through as many folders as I can create on my hard drive. That way it'd be pretty hard to even have a clear understanding of how hurt I'd be.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, cute idea.
I had been thinking along those lines for a few things:
1) Fill up your HDD, they can't install Viruses on it then <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
2) Fill up your log file with vast sums of random stuff, so the next person that just does Ctrl+A -> Del gets hit with a multi min clear <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
PM me, I'll be your man.
<!--quoteo(post=1680734:date=Jun 9 2008, 08:50 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jun 9 2008, 08:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680734"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->1) Fill up your HDD, they can't install Viruses on it then <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
2) Fill up your log file with vast sums of random stuff, so the next person that just does Ctrl+A -> Del gets hit with a multi min clear <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) This won't work unless you don't have viruses to install to other people... (Because they then could just unhide and install... or they could just delete something and then install...)
2) Smart people only clear the lines that have their IP... and if they make a mistake like you are suggesting, they kill the process and clear less.
I have a 4.7 seeker so it's not like anything is on that I can't see. My bank account has never been touched. I'm making over 2k per hour in spam (and one warez sharer)
I have a 4.7 seeker so it's not like anything is on that I can't see. My bank account has never been touched. I'm making over 2k per hour in spam (and one warez sharer)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you manage to not accidentally go onto NPC servers I think it's pretty easy to keep the IP hidden. I think when my IP was discovered it was because some of the IPs I harvested were NPCs and not players... which is why I now have that handy excel spreadsheet to ensure all the IPs I use are players. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Do you have one that filters NPC IPs out of your harvested ones (like the sheet i posted earlier in this thread?)? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
I still have to learn enough javascript to get at the data (totally doable). And then find a way to pipe it out to an external parser (worst case you have to run a webserver on your own machine that javascript can send an ubercomplex URL to or form post/get data).
Somehow, I stumble across some TZ ppl, not sure who they are, but I hit at least 5 of their members. They're all low, I think they went after me when I started framing their members against each other. >.>;
Speaking of which. It looks like it might be fairly easy to lift all the logs you see automagically (no user input required) with a fairly simple firefox addon.
I still have to learn enough javascript to get at the data (totally doable). And then find a way to pipe it out to an external parser (worst case you have to run a webserver on your own machine that javascript can send an ubercomplex URL to or form post/get data).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
After some initial headaches getting the right hooks into firefox. I now have a little extension that recognizes that you're looking at slavehack and has individual page parsers for each interface (software/hardware/internet/slaves....). And it looks like firefox extensions will let you launch an external program directly so piping in and out of the script to a language I really know should be totally doable.
I'd like some feature ideas.
So far what I've been thinking of it handling is this
-Automatically sifting through every log you see for ip's and bank accounts. No need to highlight any text or copy/paste
-Keeping a database of seen ip's, with "last seen" used as a measure of validity.
-Replacing your ip with a something else any time you hit "Edit Log" and your ip is still in there. Possibly a toggleable automatic line clear any time a log is seen with your ip if you're super paranoid.
-Automatically inserting the proper password from your slaves page any time you try to log into a machine you've already cracked.
-Prepping an account # and bank ip to transfer all money to whenever the transfer page is seen. This combined with the password replacer above could make for a very stealthy heist.
-Possibly monitoring your hard drive size to see when it changes behind your back (hacked). That one sounds a bit hard though.
-Automatic log camping? Dunno, that sounds plain evil.
-Automatic log camping? Dunno, that sounds plain evil.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You might want to put on hold on this feature. While the others are passive (even the bank one seems a bit leery), this one will definitely trip their ban on bots.
Just stick with the manual f5 approach for this.
Or someone could even upload it directly to me? I could give you my IP.
heh
some one must have been uploading more .fwls to it. Some one should go around and hide them with a .2
wish I could even access the site.
What should my plan be?
abra pm IP
What should my plan be?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1680716:date=Jun 9 2008, 08:10 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Jun 9 2008, 08:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1680716"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Two things you could do:
1. Format your HD, reset your IP. This will clear out some space and get people off your tail. After that, go to the GS and see if there are any low level stuff you can download straight from there that will help you out... and then go off on your merry way attempting to build money again (after clearing your logs to hide the group server IP from anyone)
2. Go camp the banks and try to make a bank heist and then immediately buy a larger HD and such, and go to option 1... This is a really good choice right now for you if you don't have anything really worth saving because there is really no risk.
Be sure to get a new bank account after this because someone will probably have your info...
Oh, and for Option 2... If you want a bank account cracked post a message here and someone with a 5.0 Firewall and cracker can do it for you. (I did around 20 of these for Thansal) <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Abra, I recommend Option 2. Fastest way to upgrade your stuff, if you're lucky.
I am going to start camping bank logs for more IPs (was doing that but now SH is not responding again)
If it wasn't for everything being so flaky I would be tempted to do one massive bank run
I have a number of accounts, just crack them all, then do the daisy chain of transfers. Ending it all with spending the $$ and resetting my IP <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
(you forgot to take the gs ip out of your logs, I just did it for you)
(you forgot to take the gs ip out of your logs, I just did it for you)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's true. I haven't been playing for days really other than logging on, going on the GS, and collecting income. Haven't been doing ANYTHING risky, and haven't had a virus, so I got a bit lazy there I guess. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Lazy enough to not even bother deleting my IP from the GS.
Good news though, I'll stop being so lazy tonight. I am planning on playing slavehack during my three hour night class. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
I don't know if you caught my IP, forgot about it for a minute once.
also, you don't have the max seeker, so someone could have hidden a virus on you.
you don't have any besides mine though.
What a jerk. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Or someone could even upload it directly to me? I could give you my IP.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Alright, I've set you up with a semi-decent FW and WWL. That took way too long, my poor connection just cannot deal with uploads.
Was it you Isamil?
abra pm IP<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, Theslan kindly gave me a 0.8 waterwall, which is not enough to get into the server still. I have space for a larger waterwall if someone wants to upload it, or wants to lower the server so I can get in and get one at least?
Was it you Isamil?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wasn't ME!
(seeing how as I cant' get to slavehack atm)