The reason I said what I did was because I originally thought that Mantrid meant that she would be curious as to what the package was (eg "Oh, how exciting, a big package! Lets see what it is") totally without any sense of "monitoring", beside general curiosity.
I realised when Mantrid said that she wanted to monitoring his orders under the umbrella of "concerned parenting". The way he put it across didn't sound like the easy-going, but active and aware style of parenting that you are advocating.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Athena+Jan 11 2005, 02:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ Jan 11 2005, 02:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speaking of which, I suggest Venus in Furs. It's a fictional novel by Leopold Von Sacher-Masoch, for whom masochism is named. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Seconded to the max, go find this thing on Gutenburg (sp) project or something it's an absolutely wonderful peice of literature, I'd rather read this than an actual manual on the subject any day.
And as for the package, it could be worse right, the package could have actual accessories, and not the books on the subject. And speaking as someone who has been in similar situations numerous times (oh the stories I could tell) it's not that big of a deal if your parents know unless they tend to make big deals of things in general, as soon as most parents find something that causes them concern, they may give you a talkin to about it, but then in general they stop snoopin around so much because they'd rather not find that stuff again (they know they can't stop you, and they'd rather not think about it). but hey. I could be wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+Jan 11 2005, 02:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Jan 11 2005, 02:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [edit] Mantrid is female? when did i miss that memo? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, I read the entire thread up to that point with the wrong picture in my head. I might have to read it again to give solid advice.
Anyway, best idea I saw was saying it was for a friend that has snoopy parents. But that's not going to work if she DEMANDS a name. Although if you plan right... talk to a friend ahead of time and ask them if they can be THE friend (asuming that friend's parents won't care in the least).
Other ideas:
- It's for a school pschology/debate class and they didn't have it at the library.
- Overshadow this even with something even more unspeakable... like catching the drapes on fire.
- Cause a distraction just as the mail arived... like catching the drapes on fire.
- When you open it just scream. And when she sees what you're screaming about... drop it point and scream even more. Then dramatically throw it in the trash can and call a friend... say, "Oh my god! Billy McDoosh actually went through with that bet! I'm so embarased!" Later fish it out of the trash when no one is looking.
- After opening it say, "I knew I shouldn't have clicked the RANDOM BOOK button" and shake your head in shame.
- Answer the door in full dominatrix gear and threaten the mail man with your whip. At that point openning it won't shock anyone.
well, tbh, and i mean no offence here as others do and to them i say grow up.
jst tell them to FOAD while not being the most mature route... its none of theyre business, if my mom asked what was in my mail when i lived at home she got one answer 'stuff' its none of her business, if she was to order crushed ginger from spain or a giant black rubber **** its none of my business and i wouldnt ask....
You're 14. Male. You've just ordered a BDSM book, of which your mother will see when you open the package.
Been nice knowing ya <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mantrid is female? when did i miss that memo? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think so. There is pretty clear evidence in this thread against that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah, but theres a big difference between liking men and wanting to be tied up. One is a lot more taboo than the other.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Liking men wouldn't be taboo if Mantrid was female.
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meh.
if you wanted to hide it, you should have thought first <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
now?
I say talk to her about it. I know it isn't a very nice prospect, but it is the best thing you can do now.
you are young. Just explain to her that you were curious about the lifestyle and hope that she will understand.
As I don't know your mum I can't say much about how she will react, but from your description of her she sound like she will atleast listen you.
good luck <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Jan 11 2005, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Jan 11 2005, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Liking men wouldn't be taboo if Mantrid was female. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe her mom is ****. She never said here "parents" weren't female and female. Or maybe she meant liking guys at her age is a taboo subject to discuss with her mom.
Mantrid, try this: say they are a gift for your friend's parents for some reason in the future (anniversary in a couple of months, etc). Naturally s/he wouldn't be having the books (nice picture books of some tropical islands maybe?) sent to his/her house where his/her parents could open them accidentally and spoil the surprise. Because of that he sent them to your house so he could get them delivered in secret.
Not only will this explain why you don't want them opening the package, it will (hopefully) keep them from talking to your friend's parents about the subject.
Personally I think 14 is a bit young for any kind of ANYTHING; bsdm reverse sex hack or whatever. Maybe you should take a step back and grow up for a while.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pheus+Jan 11 2005, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pheus @ Jan 11 2005, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I think 14 is a bit young for any kind of ANYTHING; bsdm reverse sex hack or whatever. Maybe you should take a step back and grow up for a while. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i agree with this guy!!!!!
im sure you are very mature for your age rah rah rah rah rah rah but you are too young!
<!--QuoteBegin-Pheus+Jan 11 2005, 02:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pheus @ Jan 11 2005, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I think 14 is a bit young for any kind of ANYTHING; bsdm reverse sex hack or whatever. Maybe you should take a step back and grow up for a while. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was thinking the same thing tbh. But now since you're in the situation, there is no going back(Or atleast not easily). So here is the master plan:
A: Poison your mother, then while she is sick stay home with her -> Intercept mail
B: Make up some bogus story about people sending mail bombs in disguise of Barnes and Noble books. Im not sure what to do after that but the beginning seems like a good idea
C: Leave a note for the mailman in only a place he will see it, the note should tell him to put the barnes and noble box underneath a bush or something, possibly combine this with plan A so your mother has no chance of walking outside and finding said note.
D: Get a computer virus, or make your parent's think you have one, and tell them it might have stole your identity and ordered stuff under your name.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Jan 10 2005, 10:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Jan 10 2005, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not being Republican myself can you tell me what the books are about?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does being a Republican have to do with it? And, anyway, my parents are fairly liberal Democrats, <b>but I doubt they want to hear from their 14 year old son that he's interested in BDSM.</b>
And, anyway, I mentioned the books. Its "Female Domination" and "Consensual Sadomasochism". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Son</b>, guys, he said <b>son</b>. Thus Mantrid is a guy, as has always been the case.
As for the package, I can't offer any advice since you won't be home to recieve it. All I can remind you of are your options; come clean with your parents because they may be more accepting, especially your mother, than you thought, or lie to them in some cleverly concieved manner that raises as little suspicion as possible.
Good luck, Zealot.
------------------------------ <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Pheus+Jan 11 2005, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pheus @ Jan 11 2005, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I think 14 is a bit young for any kind of ANYTHING; bsdm reverse sex hack or whatever. Maybe you should take a step back and grow up for a while. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i agree with this guy!!!!!
im sure you are very mature for your age rah rah rah rah rah rah but you are too young!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. This is your choice Mantrid, but are you really sure you want to rush into these sorts of things? I mean it's good to be informed, but you have years to go before you really have to deal with it. Well you certainly are mature for your age I think, since most 14 year olds I've met have the tenacity of rabid dogs my scale may be off, but don't be hasty about making massive lifestyle decisions...
Alright. Package 1 of 2 has been recieved without incident. I managed to keep talking until my mom started to read the mail, then I took the package to my room.
So that went well.
And, for the record, I am male. I have one male parent and one female parent. Both are straight, or at the very least are attracted to the opposite sex.
keep it clean, keep it civil, or you WILL find yourself in search of another set of forums to troll.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Was this directed at me? If so, then I apologize for any behaviour deemed inappropriate.
Library wouldn't work. Somehow, I don't think the senior citizens that prevail in my community are in to that. And if they are, I really don't want to think about it.
Number two could be coming any time. Probably in a few days. I'll make another update then, or if anything else happens between then and now.
The best way to get around this in the future is to order items with the gift wrap option. That way it will come in shiny paper with a big bow on it. On amazon you can even write a message on the card attached to the package. You could easily say its a present for a friend, and there is no way your mom will unwrap the present. Good luck with the second package!
Hats off to you, man. You're probably one of the youngest, most mature 14-year-olds I have ever seen. Good on ya.
As for your predicament... I.... am afraid I am of little help... but if worse comes to worse... "LOOK OVER THERE!" *Yoink* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sid+Jan 11 2005, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Jan 11 2005, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hats off to you, man. You're probably one of the youngest, most mature 14-year-olds I have ever seen. Good on ya. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. Even if <i>do</i> have the bad habit of picking locks...... =3
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<!--QuoteBegin-Sid+Jan 11 2005, 10:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Jan 11 2005, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hats off to you, man. You're probably one of the youngest, most mature 14-year-olds I have ever seen. Good on ya. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As opposed to all those really old 14 year olds out there.
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I realised when Mantrid said that she wanted to monitoring his orders under the umbrella of "concerned parenting". The way he put it across didn't sound like the easy-going, but active and aware style of parenting that you are advocating.
Seconded to the max, go find this thing on Gutenburg (sp) project or something it's an absolutely wonderful peice of literature, I'd rather read this than an actual manual on the subject any day.
And as for the package, it could be worse right, the package could have actual accessories, and not the books on the subject. And speaking as someone who has been in similar situations numerous times (oh the stories I could tell) it's not that big of a deal if your parents know unless they tend to make big deals of things in general, as soon as most parents find something that causes them concern, they may give you a talkin to about it, but then in general they stop snoopin around so much because they'd rather not find that stuff again (they know they can't stop you, and they'd rather not think about it). but hey. I could be wrong.
Mantrid is female? when did i miss that memo? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, I read the entire thread up to that point with the wrong picture in my head. I might have to read it again to give solid advice.
Anyway, best idea I saw was saying it was for a friend that has snoopy parents. But that's not going to work if she DEMANDS a name. Although if you plan right... talk to a friend ahead of time and ask them if they can be THE friend (asuming that friend's parents won't care in the least).
Other ideas:
- It's for a school pschology/debate class and they didn't have it at the library.
- Overshadow this even with something even more unspeakable... like catching the drapes on fire.
- Cause a distraction just as the mail arived... like catching the drapes on fire.
- When you open it just scream. And when she sees what you're screaming about... drop it point and scream even more. Then dramatically throw it in the trash can and call a friend... say, "Oh my god! Billy McDoosh actually went through with that bet! I'm so embarased!" Later fish it out of the trash when no one is looking.
- After opening it say, "I knew I shouldn't have clicked the RANDOM BOOK button" and shake your head in shame.
- Answer the door in full dominatrix gear and threaten the mail man with your whip. At that point openning it won't shock anyone.
Goodluck.
jst tell them to FOAD while not being the most mature route... its none of theyre business, if my mom asked what was in my mail when i lived at home she got one answer 'stuff' its none of her business, if she was to order crushed ginger from spain or a giant black rubber **** its none of my business and i wouldnt ask....
Male.
You've just ordered a BDSM book, of which your mother will see when you open the package.
Been nice knowing ya <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't think so. There is pretty clear evidence in this thread against that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah, but theres a big difference between liking men and wanting to be tied up. One is a lot more taboo than the other.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Liking men wouldn't be taboo if Mantrid was female.
if you wanted to hide it, you should have thought first <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
now?
I say talk to her about it. I know it isn't a very nice prospect, but it is the best thing you can do now.
you are young. Just explain to her that you were curious about the lifestyle and hope that she will understand.
As I don't know your mum I can't say much about how she will react, but from your description of her she sound like she will atleast listen you.
good luck <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Maybe her mom is ****. She never said here "parents" weren't female and female. Or maybe she meant liking guys at her age is a taboo subject to discuss with her mom.
Not only will this explain why you don't want them opening the package, it will (hopefully) keep them from talking to your friend's parents about the subject.
File this under things to consider <i>before</i> you order something. Have fun.
i agree with this guy!!!!!
im sure you are very mature for your age rah rah rah rah rah rah but you are too young!
I was thinking the same thing tbh. But now since you're in the situation, there is no going back(Or atleast not easily). So here is the master plan:
A: Poison your mother, then while she is sick stay home with her -> Intercept mail
B: Make up some bogus story about people sending mail bombs in disguise of Barnes and Noble books. Im not sure what to do after that but the beginning seems like a good idea
C: Leave a note for the mailman in only a place he will see it, the note should tell him to put the barnes and noble box underneath a bush or something, possibly combine this with plan A so your mother has no chance of walking outside and finding said note.
D: Get a computer virus, or make your parent's think you have one, and tell them it might have stole your identity and ordered stuff under your name.
E: MURDER EVERYONE
What does being a Republican have to do with it? And, anyway, my parents are fairly liberal Democrats, <b>but I doubt they want to hear from their 14 year old son that he's interested in BDSM.</b>
And, anyway, I mentioned the books. Its "Female Domination" and "Consensual Sadomasochism". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Son</b>, guys, he said <b>son</b>. Thus Mantrid is a guy, as has always been the case.
As for the package, I can't offer any advice since you won't be home to recieve it. All I can remind you of are your options; come clean with your parents because they may be more accepting, especially your mother, than you thought, or lie to them in some cleverly concieved manner that raises as little suspicion as possible.
Good luck, Zealot.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Pheus+Jan 11 2005, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pheus @ Jan 11 2005, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I think 14 is a bit young for any kind of ANYTHING; bsdm reverse sex hack or whatever. Maybe you should take a step back and grow up for a while. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i agree with this guy!!!!!
im sure you are very mature for your age rah rah rah rah rah rah but you are too young!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. This is your choice Mantrid, but are you really sure you want to rush into these sorts of things? I mean it's good to be informed, but you have years to go before you really have to deal with it. Well you certainly are mature for your age I think, since most 14 year olds I've met have the tenacity of rabid dogs my scale may be off, but don't be hasty about making massive lifestyle decisions...
So that went well.
And, for the record, I am male. I have one male parent and one female parent. Both are straight, or at the very least are attracted to the opposite sex.
Also,
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and issue a warning.
keep it clean, keep it civil, or you WILL find yourself in search of another set of forums to troll.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Was this directed at me? If so, then I apologize for any behaviour deemed inappropriate.
I also suggest going to the library and reading books onsite if you want to do more research. ^^
Number two could be coming any time. Probably in a few days. I'll make another update then, or if anything else happens between then and now.
I'm sorry...I couldn't resist...
Good luck with this though, your personal interests are your own and I hope your parents respect that.
Edit: And, yes, I'm 14.
Edit: And, yes, I'm 14. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mantrid,
Hats off to you, man. You're probably one of the youngest, most mature 14-year-olds I have ever seen. Good on ya.
As for your predicament... I.... am afraid I am of little help... but if worse comes to worse... "LOOK OVER THERE!" *Yoink* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
-Sid
Agreed. Even if <i>do</i> have the bad habit of picking locks...... =3
Well, that's a releife, that means you aren't the guy doing his buisness to my friend...
As opposed to all those really old 14 year olds out there.