I don't think all the metal should be really shiny - most of the general wall panels look brushed. Infestation, on the other hand, should definately be shiny.
Looks great! (That is scaled to .25 right?) and could you post a gif so that we can see the specularity in action? You dont have too but it would help.
Also, if you wanted those lighter parts to be shinier instead of lighter (as in more shiny <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) well you know the rest.
Along those lines, if some one wanted to have a texture, like one that was partially infested, have water running down it, it could be done with specular factor, and would actually be really easy and really cool!
NORN- YOU ROCK *wishes he could use ps as well as norn so he could help*
btw, what are you using to generate the normal maps? im trying to start with a normal map made from a model so that the flash light looks really good on it, and then build the texture from there, but im having trouble...
Well I was planning on returning to single player level design for the time being but if some one was able to come up with some good NS:S textures I just might have to come back and make a level for NS:S.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hyperion+Jan 14 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hyperion @ Jan 14 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> make it 512x512, and make a good normal map for it, and have the red strip be more specular. Glad to see so many people contributing! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nuh uh, just double the dimensions. Wall textures will be 512*512, crates will be 256*256. That way when it's imported ingame, all the textures keep the same scale (0.25), and not look really weird.
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Jan 15 2005, 04:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Jan 15 2005, 04:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hyperion+Jan 14 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hyperion @ Jan 14 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> make it 512x512, and make a good normal map for it, and have the red strip be more specular. Glad to see so many people contributing! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nuh uh, just double the dimensions. Wall textures will be 512*512, crates will be 256*256. That way when it's imported ingame, all the textures keep the same scale (0.25), and not look really weird. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly, and just because it's a new engine doesn't mean you can throw texture memory about randomly. A 512x512 crate texture would just be a waste; that much detail just isn't needed on it.
Can you imagine how cool an Onos would look smashing through a pile of crates and sending them spinning and flying into other marines as it charges someone down tho? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think I am going to update and work on NS_Machiga for source, well maybe when I get a GFX xard that shows normal maps and spec maps. tis just about pointless mapping otherwise <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
hm, i like it remake nos_vertpanel and vent2 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> those are awsome textures ^^
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuDiscoMonkey+Jan 15 2005, 08:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Jan 15 2005, 08:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My hope though is that everything won't be a prop_physics. I don't want physics object to become a stupid gimmic used as filler. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's why we have func_physbox and Parenting 8)
I think the crates should be models, you know, so they don't look like a simple cube. We could still use map textures but... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I agree with Mendasp on this one. If the maps are going to be filled with crates you might as well make them look pretty good <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sweet in game shots. That texture keeps looking better. How does the texture work with light sources coming from different directions? I'm still worried that the faked lighting on it might look odd if light is coming from, say, below the texture, since the way it looks now assumes a light above it.
<!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Jan 15 2005, 12:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Jan 15 2005, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sweet in game shots. That texture keeps looking better. How does the texture work with light sources coming from different directions? I'm still worried that the faked lighting on it might look odd if light is coming from, say, below the texture, since the way it looks now assumes a light above it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, the lighting is faked, but to have the texture shadow itself without faking the lighting you would need a normal map which wouldn't work very well for that sort of the, or the actual geometry and a lighting model that casts real time shadows. Which Source does not have.
Faked lighting is here to stay, and nobody is going to mind when the alternative is no shadows at all except those cast by characters.
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<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jan 15 2005, 05:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 15 2005, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Jan 15 2005, 12:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Jan 15 2005, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sweet in game shots. That texture keeps looking better. How does the texture work with light sources coming from different directions? I'm still worried that the faked lighting on it might look odd if light is coming from, say, below the texture, since the way it looks now assumes a light above it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, the lighting is faked, but to have the texture shadow itself without faking the lighting you would need a normal map which wouldn't work very well for that sort of the, or the actual geometry and a lighting model that casts real time shadows. Which Source does not have.
Faked lighting is here to stay, and nobody is going to mind when the alternative is no shadows at all except those cast by characters. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> read the article that hyperion linked to. You don't need to fake lighting anymore, because the compile tools now take the normal map into account in the radiosity step. You can still do it, and it will look like it always did, but you have options now.
Sure, anyone who wants to help is more than welcome.
The more support this gets, the better. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Jan 15 2005, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Jan 15 2005, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sweet in game shots. That texture keeps looking better. How does the texture work with light sources coming from different directions? I'm still worried that the faked lighting on it might look odd if light is coming from, say, below the texture, since the way it looks now assumes a light above it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just did a quick test. I removed all the highlights from the base texture, but kept the detail in the normal map. It works fairly well, but when you turn the torch on, the normal mapping (and hence the highlights) isnt visible in the spot the torch is shining on. I'm thinking there must be a way around this.
normal maps are very differnt from detail maps (you know that) and therefore you need to have the detail in both. This is also the reason why i asked how you were generating your normal map, becuase it is used to calculate the light from the flashlight, and if it is simply produced using ques from the texture itself, then the lighting that is rendered for the flashlight will simply match up to the texture.
Also, could you post the normal map just so we could see it?
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Also, if you wanted those lighter parts to be shinier instead of lighter (as in more shiny <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) well you know the rest.
Along those lines, if some one wanted to have a texture, like one that was partially infested, have water running down it, it could be done with specular factor, and would actually be really easy and really cool!
NORN- YOU ROCK *wishes he could use ps as well as norn so he could help*
btw, what are you using to generate the normal maps? im trying to start with a normal map made from a model so that the flash light looks really good on it, and then build the texture from there, but im having trouble...
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It's still a WIP, can anyone suggest how to make it look a little nicer?
Nuh uh, just double the dimensions. Wall textures will be 512*512, crates will be 256*256. That way when it's imported ingame, all the textures keep the same scale (0.25), and not look really weird.
Nuh uh, just double the dimensions. Wall textures will be 512*512, crates will be 256*256. That way when it's imported ingame, all the textures keep the same scale (0.25), and not look really weird. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly, and just because it's a new engine doesn't mean you can throw texture memory about randomly. A 512x512 crate texture would just be a waste; that much detail just isn't needed on it.
I think I am going to update and work on NS_Machiga for source, well maybe when I get a GFX xard that shows normal maps and spec maps. tis just about pointless mapping otherwise <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
remake nos_vertpanel and vent2 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
those are awsome textures ^^
That's why we have func_physbox and Parenting 8)
Agreed. Amazing!
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Yes, the lighting is faked, but to have the texture shadow itself without faking the lighting you would need a normal map which wouldn't work very well for that sort of the, or the actual geometry and a lighting model that casts real time shadows. Which Source does not have.
Faked lighting is here to stay, and nobody is going to mind when the alternative is no shadows at all except those cast by characters.
Yes, the lighting is faked, but to have the texture shadow itself without faking the lighting you would need a normal map which wouldn't work very well for that sort of the, or the actual geometry and a lighting model that casts real time shadows. Which Source does not have.
Faked lighting is here to stay, and nobody is going to mind when the alternative is no shadows at all except those cast by characters. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
read the article that hyperion linked to. You don't need to fake lighting anymore, because the compile tools now take the normal map into account in the radiosity step.
You can still do it, and it will look like it always did, but you have options now.
<a href='http://www2.ati.com/developer/gdc/D3DTutorial10_Half-Life2_Shading.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www2.ati.com/developer/gdc/D3DTutor...fe2_Shading.pdf</a>
Oh, and would any one like another version that has a top like this?
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The more support this gets, the better. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Just did a quick test. I removed all the highlights from the base texture, but kept the detail in the normal map. It works fairly well, but when you turn the torch on, the normal mapping (and hence the highlights) isnt visible in the spot the torch is shining on. I'm thinking there must be a way around this.
Also, could you post the normal map just so we could see it?
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