I am so very angry right now...

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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members Posts: 5,255 Advanced user
    DrownedOut wrote: »
    UWE has my support for this move. As much as I love the music in the game and do acknowledge Si's amazing contribution, those comments are disgusting and having had the displeasure of working with someone only a fifth as bad and holding my breath for the next horrible they were going to say (because people like these don't keep to social media, though they might be more subtle in person), I am glad to see action taken in favor of a more welcoming work space.

    Mind, I'm also not someone who believes in single chances; as per the reports, UWE talked with them about the tweets and they chose to stand by them. They made it clear they would be damaging to potential future colleagues and therefore had to go. Simple as that.

    The idea that UWE did this for publicity or out of fear for mobs is, btw, preposterous. I mean, look at most of you being a mob just as much. A decision either way would've brought trouble for UWE; might as well stick to what they committed too.

    Far, far cry from a mob. The majority here aren't even doing anything other than voicing their opinion(s) on the issue. The few that are being "mob" ish, are new accounts signing up to post their disapproval (which should probably have been done in a separate thread, but new accounts can't do that, so...)
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  • notbuyingfromSJWsnotbuyingfromSJWs Join Date: 2018-02-06 Member: 237032Members Posts: 7 Fully active user
    Based on what I been reading. Simion did something on Twitter that could be offensive. People got mad. He got fired because of it. More people got mad. Imo, if it was very offensive then yes I can see why they got fired, but the people mad about him being fired are just annoying. They fired him for being rude. Meanwhile there are other companies who are actually being rude to their employees. There are cases of other companies getting in trouble for mistreating a certain group of employees. In fact, a giant disaster happened because of it. When the Triangle Shirt Sewing Building place in the U.S caught on fire. Hundreds of women inside died, because the doors were locked just so they couldn't sneak out before break time. And well, other reasons as well. This did call an outrage and improved worker safety. But here, a guy gets fired for doing something offensive and people are freaking out just like the building thing happened again. Stop calling UWE messed up for this when there are a lot more messed up cases than this.

    Just because other companies are worse doesn't mean people can want a company that isn't quite as bad to be better. Does the western world give up on efforts to grant gay marriage equality in their countries just because some other countries throw gays off rooftops and that's worse?
  • jamintheinfinite_1jamintheinfinite_1 Jupiter Join Date: 2016-12-03 Member: 224524Members Posts: 1,062 Advanced user
    I'm not good at wording things. I don't mean like give up. I mean just this whole thing is stupid it's UWE choice so people shouldn't act like they are the worst company
    You probably also know me as Terranhawk, aka, the guy who has a Starcraft name but has never touched or seen a Starcraft game in his life/
    I'm both a content and discussion's moderator of both the BZ and SN wikias

    I'm the creator of this Creature Evolution Chart
    I live in the Subnautica side of the forums. IF you have seen me you probably know I suk at speling log wrods and that I'm very sarcastic and don't take things seriously unless called for


    I'm called jamintheinfinite_1 because I was an idiot and made a typo on my email address for the account jamintheinfinite and I was too dumb to know how to fix it.




    s̮̮͇̲̱̻͕͈̠ͪ͐̇̾͒̀͌i̖͈͚̘͈̐̀̈́̃̒̇̀͊ͧ̔̏͒ͅḿ͎͉̜̦̦͓̟̞͗̇͒ͨ̏͌̑ͨͬͬͧͭͥo̩̞̰̮̞̮̼̫̩̳̘͆ͯͣ̓̍͆ͣ̎ͫ͂ͪṅ͖̪̫̘̼̙̪̙̳̰̊̒͋͗ͪͥ̅̑ͤ̆̅ͬͥ̑ͫ ̲̳̟̰̭̖̞͓̙̘͓͔̣͇ͭͥ̂̎̋́͂̋̈́̌͐ͤͨ̀̐̂ͦi͍̫͔̟̰͖͚̫͎̞͚͌ͤ̀͗ͥ͐̂̓ͧs̭͈͙̱̹̬͓̦̝͔̘̼̤͍͎̞̥̎̅̉͛ͦ͒̇͛̎ͬͨ́̍͒̀ͦͅͅ ͙̱̖̳̻͚̳̘̯̲͚̭̟͎̩̤͔̼̩̈́ͤ̋ͪ̿͛ͤͥ̅̒̆̉̓̒̓̅̈̈́̉t̖̞͓̥̤̪̯̘͓͌ͨͮͮͅh̰̙̮̖̆ͬ̎ͫ̿̽̾͋͗̍ͪ͑̀e̳̟̭͇ͤ̃͊̀ͤ̅ͫ̅̒ ̰̗͔̟̼̺̫̲͍̯̥̼͚̦̜̯̣̇̀̅̂̋ͧͦ̊ͥͮ͛̾͐̌͆̔́̎͋ͅb͍̣̲͇͙̞̘̰̫̪̖͔̈̅̃ͬͬḙ͖̠̬͇̦̰̪̟͊̀͐̍̾̓̊s̬͍͈̲̦̥͉̦̼̥͕͍̲̝ͪͬ͆͆͛ͩ̎̓̊̐͗̿̾̊̊t̪͉̝͖̫̼̤̼̩̰ͧ̐̽̋̈́̉̏̃́




    Vahal
  • jamintheinfinite_1jamintheinfinite_1 Jupiter Join Date: 2016-12-03 Member: 224524Members Posts: 1,062 Advanced user
    But in general, this whole thing could of been avoided if Simon didn't say he got fired. All that did was just split the Subnautica Community
    You probably also know me as Terranhawk, aka, the guy who has a Starcraft name but has never touched or seen a Starcraft game in his life/
    I'm both a content and discussion's moderator of both the BZ and SN wikias

    I'm the creator of this Creature Evolution Chart
    I live in the Subnautica side of the forums. IF you have seen me you probably know I suk at speling log wrods and that I'm very sarcastic and don't take things seriously unless called for


    I'm called jamintheinfinite_1 because I was an idiot and made a typo on my email address for the account jamintheinfinite and I was too dumb to know how to fix it.




    s̮̮͇̲̱̻͕͈̠ͪ͐̇̾͒̀͌i̖͈͚̘͈̐̀̈́̃̒̇̀͊ͧ̔̏͒ͅḿ͎͉̜̦̦͓̟̞͗̇͒ͨ̏͌̑ͨͬͬͧͭͥo̩̞̰̮̞̮̼̫̩̳̘͆ͯͣ̓̍͆ͣ̎ͫ͂ͪṅ͖̪̫̘̼̙̪̙̳̰̊̒͋͗ͪͥ̅̑ͤ̆̅ͬͥ̑ͫ ̲̳̟̰̭̖̞͓̙̘͓͔̣͇ͭͥ̂̎̋́͂̋̈́̌͐ͤͨ̀̐̂ͦi͍̫͔̟̰͖͚̫͎̞͚͌ͤ̀͗ͥ͐̂̓ͧs̭͈͙̱̹̬͓̦̝͔̘̼̤͍͎̞̥̎̅̉͛ͦ͒̇͛̎ͬͨ́̍͒̀ͦͅͅ ͙̱̖̳̻͚̳̘̯̲͚̭̟͎̩̤͔̼̩̈́ͤ̋ͪ̿͛ͤͥ̅̒̆̉̓̒̓̅̈̈́̉t̖̞͓̥̤̪̯̘͓͌ͨͮͮͅh̰̙̮̖̆ͬ̎ͫ̿̽̾͋͗̍ͪ͑̀e̳̟̭͇ͤ̃͊̀ͤ̅ͫ̅̒ ̰̗͔̟̼̺̫̲͍̯̥̼͚̦̜̯̣̇̀̅̂̋ͧͦ̊ͥͮ͛̾͐̌͆̔́̎͋ͅb͍̣̲͇͙̞̘̰̫̪̖͔̈̅̃ͬͬḙ͖̠̬͇̦̰̪̟͊̀͐̍̾̓̊s̬͍͈̲̦̥͉̦̼̥͕͍̲̝ͪͬ͆͆͛ͩ̎̓̊̐͗̿̾̊̊t̪͉̝͖̫̼̤̼̩̰ͧ̐̽̋̈́̉̏̃́




  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,780 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    I'm not good at wording things. I don't mean like give up. I mean just this whole thing is stupid it's UWE choice so people shouldn't act like they are the worst company

    The thing is, people like drama and also like the extreme sides of both sides. It's kinda unavoidable with the anonymity or rather impersonal nature of the internet where people's cohones grow extra large and shrink down when you meet these internet warriors in person...

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  • jamintheinfinite_1jamintheinfinite_1 Jupiter Join Date: 2016-12-03 Member: 224524Members Posts: 1,062 Advanced user
    But I guess here we go again guys. So far it seems this year might just be another 2016.

    2016 3.0. . . Oh boy
    You probably also know me as Terranhawk, aka, the guy who has a Starcraft name but has never touched or seen a Starcraft game in his life/
    I'm both a content and discussion's moderator of both the BZ and SN wikias

    I'm the creator of this Creature Evolution Chart
    I live in the Subnautica side of the forums. IF you have seen me you probably know I suk at speling log wrods and that I'm very sarcastic and don't take things seriously unless called for


    I'm called jamintheinfinite_1 because I was an idiot and made a typo on my email address for the account jamintheinfinite and I was too dumb to know how to fix it.




    s̮̮͇̲̱̻͕͈̠ͪ͐̇̾͒̀͌i̖͈͚̘͈̐̀̈́̃̒̇̀͊ͧ̔̏͒ͅḿ͎͉̜̦̦͓̟̞͗̇͒ͨ̏͌̑ͨͬͬͧͭͥo̩̞̰̮̞̮̼̫̩̳̘͆ͯͣ̓̍͆ͣ̎ͫ͂ͪṅ͖̪̫̘̼̙̪̙̳̰̊̒͋͗ͪͥ̅̑ͤ̆̅ͬͥ̑ͫ ̲̳̟̰̭̖̞͓̙̘͓͔̣͇ͭͥ̂̎̋́͂̋̈́̌͐ͤͨ̀̐̂ͦi͍̫͔̟̰͖͚̫͎̞͚͌ͤ̀͗ͥ͐̂̓ͧs̭͈͙̱̹̬͓̦̝͔̘̼̤͍͎̞̥̎̅̉͛ͦ͒̇͛̎ͬͨ́̍͒̀ͦͅͅ ͙̱̖̳̻͚̳̘̯̲͚̭̟͎̩̤͔̼̩̈́ͤ̋ͪ̿͛ͤͥ̅̒̆̉̓̒̓̅̈̈́̉t̖̞͓̥̤̪̯̘͓͌ͨͮͮͅh̰̙̮̖̆ͬ̎ͫ̿̽̾͋͗̍ͪ͑̀e̳̟̭͇ͤ̃͊̀ͤ̅ͫ̅̒ ̰̗͔̟̼̺̫̲͍̯̥̼͚̦̜̯̣̇̀̅̂̋ͧͦ̊ͥͮ͛̾͐̌͆̔́̎͋ͅb͍̣̲͇͙̞̘̰̫̪̖͔̈̅̃ͬͬḙ͖̠̬͇̦̰̪̟͊̀͐̍̾̓̊s̬͍͈̲̦̥͉̦̼̥͕͍̲̝ͪͬ͆͆͛ͩ̎̓̊̐͗̿̾̊̊t̪͉̝͖̫̼̤̼̩̰ͧ̐̽̋̈́̉̏̃́




  • JarinJarin Los Angeles Join Date: 2013-12-16 Member: 190184Members Posts: 165 Advanced user
    Sockpuppets are out in force I see.

    Honestly, I had a lot more sympathy for Simon before I dug into the actual tweets in question. This isn't a one-time thing that people are blowing up about; it's a long-running pattern of behavior. Given that he basically said he wouldn't play nice with new hires, UWE's decision to let him go is completely understandable.
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  • SuperElementSuperElement Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Members Posts: 15 Advanced user
    I'm not good at wording things. I don't mean like give up. I mean just this whole thing is stupid it's UWE choice so people shouldn't act like they are the worst company
    But in general, this whole thing could of been avoided if Simon didn't say he got fired. All that did was just split the Subnautica Community
    But I guess here we go again guys. So far it seems this year might just be another 2016.

    2016 3.0. . . Oh boy

    To a lot of people it is a stupid choice, and if UWE is content punishing one of their employees for what they think was a "stupid choice", then they are also allowed to reap the reward for such an action- such as the bad press they may have thought they were avoiding by disassociation with Simon. As for Simon publicising his termination, why not? If his public opinion was enough to get him fired, people would like to know. He didn't even allude to the reason he got fired, people are capable of reaching their own conclusions of the situation.

    Also 2016 was a great year, more of that would be great.
    Mr_Endar
  • jamintheinfinite_1jamintheinfinite_1 Jupiter Join Date: 2016-12-03 Member: 224524Members Posts: 1,062 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    Man, I bet the guys who invented the arpanet (aka the beta internet) back in like 1969 are disappointed in what their invention is like today.
    You probably also know me as Terranhawk, aka, the guy who has a Starcraft name but has never touched or seen a Starcraft game in his life/
    I'm both a content and discussion's moderator of both the BZ and SN wikias

    I'm the creator of this Creature Evolution Chart
    I live in the Subnautica side of the forums. IF you have seen me you probably know I suk at speling log wrods and that I'm very sarcastic and don't take things seriously unless called for


    I'm called jamintheinfinite_1 because I was an idiot and made a typo on my email address for the account jamintheinfinite and I was too dumb to know how to fix it.




    s̮̮͇̲̱̻͕͈̠ͪ͐̇̾͒̀͌i̖͈͚̘͈̐̀̈́̃̒̇̀͊ͧ̔̏͒ͅḿ͎͉̜̦̦͓̟̞͗̇͒ͨ̏͌̑ͨͬͬͧͭͥo̩̞̰̮̞̮̼̫̩̳̘͆ͯͣ̓̍͆ͣ̎ͫ͂ͪṅ͖̪̫̘̼̙̪̙̳̰̊̒͋͗ͪͥ̅̑ͤ̆̅ͬͥ̑ͫ ̲̳̟̰̭̖̞͓̙̘͓͔̣͇ͭͥ̂̎̋́͂̋̈́̌͐ͤͨ̀̐̂ͦi͍̫͔̟̰͖͚̫͎̞͚͌ͤ̀͗ͥ͐̂̓ͧs̭͈͙̱̹̬͓̦̝͔̘̼̤͍͎̞̥̎̅̉͛ͦ͒̇͛̎ͬͨ́̍͒̀ͦͅͅ ͙̱̖̳̻͚̳̘̯̲͚̭̟͎̩̤͔̼̩̈́ͤ̋ͪ̿͛ͤͥ̅̒̆̉̓̒̓̅̈̈́̉t̖̞͓̥̤̪̯̘͓͌ͨͮͮͅh̰̙̮̖̆ͬ̎ͫ̿̽̾͋͗̍ͪ͑̀e̳̟̭͇ͤ̃͊̀ͤ̅ͫ̅̒ ̰̗͔̟̼̺̫̲͍̯̥̼͚̦̜̯̣̇̀̅̂̋ͧͦ̊ͥͮ͛̾͐̌͆̔́̎͋ͅb͍̣̲͇͙̞̘̰̫̪̖͔̈̅̃ͬͬḙ͖̠̬͇̦̰̪̟͊̀͐̍̾̓̊s̬͍͈̲̦̥͉̦̼̥͕͍̲̝ͪͬ͆͆͛ͩ̎̓̊̐͗̿̾̊̊t̪͉̝͖̫̼̤̼̩̰ͧ̐̽̋̈́̉̏̃́




  • jamintheinfinite_1jamintheinfinite_1 Jupiter Join Date: 2016-12-03 Member: 224524Members Posts: 1,062 Advanced user
    2016 was a great year. Excuse me? WHERE WERE YOU DURING 2016?
    You probably also know me as Terranhawk, aka, the guy who has a Starcraft name but has never touched or seen a Starcraft game in his life/
    I'm both a content and discussion's moderator of both the BZ and SN wikias

    I'm the creator of this Creature Evolution Chart
    I live in the Subnautica side of the forums. IF you have seen me you probably know I suk at speling log wrods and that I'm very sarcastic and don't take things seriously unless called for


    I'm called jamintheinfinite_1 because I was an idiot and made a typo on my email address for the account jamintheinfinite and I was too dumb to know how to fix it.




    s̮̮͇̲̱̻͕͈̠ͪ͐̇̾͒̀͌i̖͈͚̘͈̐̀̈́̃̒̇̀͊ͧ̔̏͒ͅḿ͎͉̜̦̦͓̟̞͗̇͒ͨ̏͌̑ͨͬͬͧͭͥo̩̞̰̮̞̮̼̫̩̳̘͆ͯͣ̓̍͆ͣ̎ͫ͂ͪṅ͖̪̫̘̼̙̪̙̳̰̊̒͋͗ͪͥ̅̑ͤ̆̅ͬͥ̑ͫ ̲̳̟̰̭̖̞͓̙̘͓͔̣͇ͭͥ̂̎̋́͂̋̈́̌͐ͤͨ̀̐̂ͦi͍̫͔̟̰͖͚̫͎̞͚͌ͤ̀͗ͥ͐̂̓ͧs̭͈͙̱̹̬͓̦̝͔̘̼̤͍͎̞̥̎̅̉͛ͦ͒̇͛̎ͬͨ́̍͒̀ͦͅͅ ͙̱̖̳̻͚̳̘̯̲͚̭̟͎̩̤͔̼̩̈́ͤ̋ͪ̿͛ͤͥ̅̒̆̉̓̒̓̅̈̈́̉t̖̞͓̥̤̪̯̘͓͌ͨͮͮͅh̰̙̮̖̆ͬ̎ͫ̿̽̾͋͗̍ͪ͑̀e̳̟̭͇ͤ̃͊̀ͤ̅ͫ̅̒ ̰̗͔̟̼̺̫̲͍̯̥̼͚̦̜̯̣̇̀̅̂̋ͧͦ̊ͥͮ͛̾͐̌͆̔́̎͋ͅb͍̣̲͇͙̞̘̰̫̪̖͔̈̅̃ͬͬḙ͖̠̬͇̦̰̪̟͊̀͐̍̾̓̊s̬͍͈̲̦̥͉̦̼̥͕͍̲̝ͪͬ͆͆͛ͩ̎̓̊̐͗̿̾̊̊t̪͉̝͖̫̼̤̼̩̰ͧ̐̽̋̈́̉̏̃́




    Tarkannen
  • DrownedOutDrownedOut Habitat Join Date: 2016-05-26 Member: 217559Members Posts: 1,091 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    The fact that not being allowed to a-okay genocide (because that's what happened during colonialism, among others in the Americas, Australia, and India) and eugenics (any of that racialized IQ nonsense) without consequence is considered censorship around here is... disheartening to say the least.

    Not to mention I'm pretty sure censorship is only about government stuff, not what businesses do.
    JarinVahalTenebrousNova
  • SuperElementSuperElement Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Members Posts: 15 Advanced user
    DrownedOut wrote: »
    The fact that not being allowed to a-okay genocide (because that's what happened during colonialism, among others in the Americas, Australia, and India) and eugenics (any of that racialized IQ nonsense) without consequence is considered censorship around here is... disheartening to say the least.

    Not to mention I'm pretty sure censorship is only about government stuff, not what businesses do.

    Nobody has mentioned genocide or eugenics in this thread, and as the only person who has previously mentioned censorship in this thread, I can definitely define the context for it as being fired as consequences for an expressed opinion. Specifically, I am likening the punishment of an individual for their expressed opinion- to censorship. If you have an issue with my comparison, please attack that specifically.
    notbuyingfromSJWsKrackeronMartG
  • DrownedOutDrownedOut Habitat Join Date: 2016-05-26 Member: 217559Members Posts: 1,091 Advanced user
    DrownedOut wrote: »
    The fact that not being allowed to a-okay genocide (because that's what happened during colonialism, among others in the Americas, Australia, and India) and eugenics (any of that racialized IQ nonsense) without consequence is considered censorship around here is... disheartening to say the least.

    Not to mention I'm pretty sure censorship is only about government stuff, not what businesses do.

    Nobody has mentioned genocide or eugenics in this thread, and as the only person who has previously mentioned censorship in this thread, I can definitely define the context for it as being fired as consequences for an expressed opinion. Specifically, I am likening the punishment of an individual for their expressed opinion- to censorship. If you have an issue with my comparison, please attack that specifically.

    One doesn't have to. The moment one defends saying colonialism is a good thing, that includes a defense of saying genocide is a good thing. Same for racialized IQ stuff and eugenics. And a whole lot of other things. Pretending to not do so is dishonest, whether intentional or not.

    An individual may be punished for their expressed opinion as long as the punishment is between private entities and within proportion. That is not censorship and so much as comparing it with censorship is fundamentally not understanding what censorship is. Or, for that matter, freedom of speech. Methinks that not wanting to be a team with someone who twice+ expresses that they do not value humans that aren't like them is not something you can call questionable.
    VahalJarin
  • GarouGarou United States Join Date: 2018-02-06 Member: 237050Members Posts: 2 Fully active user
    A persons political views should in no way negatively impact their financial security. I am beyond appalled at the SJW crybullies who perpetrated this lynching, and am absolutely disgusted with these Devs for capitulating to the demands of a core group of bitter, self-righteous, unpleasable individuals. Whatever damage the Devs thought keeping the sound designer on would have caused pales in comparison to the damage they've just done to their brand and this game. You don't throw one of your own under the bus for tweets a snobbish , childish, Leftist minority things is "problematic" or "politically incorrect", no. You stand by them and maintain that their views at the end of the day has no bearing on the game itself.

    What makes me even angrier is that the very same people that came after the sound designer consistently insist on injecting their politics into games, and shout you down if you disagree with them. However, they're allowed to preach their ideologies without fear of being fire while directly selling their ideology to their consumers. A sound designer who's political views literally had no impact on the game itself however gets fired for random tweets? I'm utterly enraged, and I can promise you that events like this will have the complete opposite political effect that the SJWs responsible for it want. People are getting "redpilled" from this, and will continue going further to the right everything SJWs overreact like this. Trump is going to get re-elected in 2020 thanks to things like this, so I really hope the SJWs cheering for this horrible decision have their fun while it lasts.

    The political winds or shifting, this type of madness will no longer be tolerated in time.
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  • MaalterommMaalteromm Brasil Join Date: 2017-09-22 Member: 233183Members Posts: 537 Advanced user
    He said he'd treat them just like anybody else.
    You're completely right, "he said". Therefore you're forming an opinion before hearing all sides of the story, which may lead to it being a little biased.

    I also think firing someone due to personal matters is wrong, but I don't know how this matter was dealt with internally and what they did discuss before that decision was made.
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  • bzaldbzald Join Date: 2016-08-28 Member: 221800Members Posts: 26 Advanced user
    Ok after hearing about this from mondaymatt i have to tell you it scares me because they got rid of talent so easy and as such I'm going to start wondering if the company will survive for instance what will they drop next oh the DLC is offence to alaskans what then?
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,780 Advanced user
    Ah the dangers of only having the outsider view, while drawing conclusions as if we were at the meeting \o/

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  • DrownedOutDrownedOut Habitat Join Date: 2016-05-26 Member: 217559Members Posts: 1,091 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    Not only are you okay with censoring what the former dev had to say, you are putting words into his mouth and opinions into his brain that he never expressed. Nobody said anything about eugenics or genocide except you.

    As a descendent of colonizers, colonized, and groups caught in-between, I believe defenses of colonialism (at least by people with no personal stake or appropriate knowledge) warrants something way worse than being told you're not colleague material. So, your accusation of me supporting censorship (which again, this is not) doesn't boo-boo me in the slightest.
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  • SuperElementSuperElement Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Members Posts: 15 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    Such as it is, though the lack of an official statement from UWE does present the situation in which people have to draw their own conclusions. People's opinions will probably change again based on such when it does occur, but so far the public view of what's occurred is not doing them any favours.

    I should have said informative or satisfactory response, I was incorrect in asserting that no official statement had been made. My bad.
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  • xxaxxxax Join Date: 2018-02-06 Member: 237053Members Posts: 1 Fully active user
    I read the tweets, i'm shocked so little can get a person fired. Especially by outraged people that probably don't know Subnautica, will never play Subnautica and at the end don't give a shit about it.

    Whoever did the firing has no backbone whatsoever.
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  • Calarand77Calarand77 lurking in general forums Join Date: 2016-01-22 Member: 211786Members Posts: 324 Advanced user
    Such as it is, though the lack of an official statement from UWE does present the situation in which people have to draw their own conclusions. People's opinions will probably change again based on such when it does occur, but so far the public view of what's occurred is not doing them any favours.

    Technically, we did get an official statement in that Kotaku article:
    Game director Charlie Cleveland confirmed that Chylinski is no longer with developer Unknown Worlds, telling Kotaku, “Over the weekend we discovered that one of our team members had made many hateful statements online that are against our company values. After discussing the matter with him, we decided to stop working with him immediately.”
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  • SuperElementSuperElement Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Members Posts: 15 Advanced user
    Calarand77 wrote: »
    Technically, we did get an official statement in that Kotaku article:
    Game director Charlie Cleveland confirmed that Chylinski is no longer with developer Unknown Worlds, telling Kotaku, “Over the weekend we discovered that one of our team members had made many hateful statements online that are against our company values. After discussing the matter with him, we decided to stop working with him immediately.”

    Though technically is correct in that it has done little to dissuade conjecture, I was wrong in stating there was a lack of official statement. My wording should have been a lack of informative/satisfactory official statement- thanks for catching that.
  • SuperElementSuperElement Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Members Posts: 15 Advanced user
    DrownedOut wrote: »
    One doesn't have to. The moment one defends saying colonialism is a good thing, that includes a defense of saying genocide is a good thing. Same for racialized IQ stuff and eugenics. And a whole lot of other things. Pretending to not do so is dishonest, whether intentional or not.

    An individual may be punished for their expressed opinion as long as the punishment is between private entities and within proportion. That is not censorship and so much as comparing it with censorship is fundamentally not understanding what censorship is. Or, for that matter, freedom of speech. Methinks that not wanting to be a team with someone who twice+ expresses that they do not value humans that aren't like them is not something you can call questionable.

    It's nice to know that because I've stated my support for Simon's right to express his opinion, my opinion is worth nothing because I sympathise with someone who you allege supports "colonialism" (i.e. the root of all evil), the fact of which bringing up such is totally not a red herring in the topic of censorship. While freedom of speech is relevant to censorship, I would beg an explanation for how it invalidates my claim that attacking a person's economic situation (i.e. providing a legal penalty) is aliken to (not literally, but effectively) censorship.

    The road to Reductio ad Hiterlum is a fast and rocky one, folks.
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  • TurquoiseKnightTurquoiseKnight United States Join Date: 2018-02-03 Member: 236639Members Posts: 12 Fully active user
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    I would however love to see how that is handled when that shoe is on another foot, however. Say, right-wing owned coffee shop fires employee for posting that "conservative tools are destroying our planet" or "conservatives are responsible for the death of thousands of children due to school shootings".

    Is it in the right-wing coffee shop's rights to do so? Sure. But imagine the backlash. A lot of people are probably angry just thinking about it right now after reading this.

    But at the same time, if the employee is always posting about stuff from work and how he loves working there... I can see how they have an image to uphold (what they stand for).

    And that has happened. Ppl have been fired for anti-Trump posts, anti-Obama posts, anti-conservative, and anti-liberal posts on their public social media. You might not hear about it because its not front page news, and really, neither is this current event. In the modern internet age, where Yelp and Steam reviews can sway a person's purchasing decisions, business owners will take action, even for minor things. Its the current state of things.

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  • TurquoiseKnightTurquoiseKnight United States Join Date: 2018-02-03 Member: 236639Members Posts: 12 Fully active user
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Ah the dangers of only having the outsider view, while drawing conclusions as if we were at the meeting \o/

    Such as it is, though the lack of an official statement from UWE does present the situation in which people have to draw their own conclusions. People's opinions will probably change again based on such when it does occur, but so far the public view of what's occurred is not doing them any favours.

    He does. Build a window in the scanner room, pilot one of the cameras and look in.
  • SuperElementSuperElement Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Members Posts: 15 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    I'm guessing that this was the correct target.
    starkaos wrote: »
    @Kouji_San

    Yeah, its a shame. And now this has grown into the female player model debacle. Charlie should take a hint from other companies and just duck and cover, wait for this to blow over before announcing measures to placate the whiny few.

    At this point in time, I would even be satisfied if the male player model gets a head.

    For this, instead of my comment on official statements.
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    He does. Build a window in the scanner room, pilot one of the cameras and look in.
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