I am so very angry right now...

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  • Victor32Victor32 Members Join Date: 2016-04-01 Member: 215181Posts: 89 Advanced user
    The guy got fired for saying shitty things. Nothing of value was lost, play the game.

    Let me point you to this little humorous, yet true, gem:

    https://youtu.be/ON7S68dnQ8E

    Nothing of value, indeed.
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  • Mr_EndarMr_Endar Members Join Date: 2016-03-05 Member: 213859Posts: 136 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    And that's why kids you vote Republican.

    Not because you like or dislike some particular candidate*, but because things like Freedom of Speech, Equality of Opportunity and Rule of Law means something to you.

    Shutting someone up by threats and or violence is something alarming to say the least. Affirmative Action is institutionalized racism, period.

    *we know who I'm talking about and he is PoS man if you ask my personal opinion, but I'd die for Values I've listed above

    PS. It's kinda hillarios that I've written all I've written above while having Team Fortress 2 Soldier on my avatar. Sapienti sat
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  • MaalterommMaalteromm BrasilMembers Join Date: 2017-09-22 Member: 233183Posts: 543 Advanced user
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    Careful dude, or they gonna fire you...
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  • Calarand77Calarand77 lurking in general forumsMembers Join Date: 2016-01-22 Member: 211786Posts: 324 Advanced user
    Victor32 wrote: »
    Also, someone should tell Mr Cleveland to not overdo on his newly found political correctness now. His recent tweets are... funny, to put it very mildly.

    Ha ha, oh my gosh, yes. This SO MUCH.
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  • notbuyingfromSJWsnotbuyingfromSJWs Members Join Date: 2018-02-06 Member: 237032Posts: 7 Fully active user
    edited February 2018
    I had Subnautica on my Steam Wishlist until this story broke. I'd rather support a dev company that isn't part of the problem that plagues the games industry.
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  • kingkumakingkuma cancels Work: distracted by Dwarf FortressMembers Join Date: 2015-09-25 Member: 208137Posts: 825 Advanced user
    I think we should close this before it goes to S***.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The NetherlandsMembers, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Posts: 15,782 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    @notbuyingfromSJWs well it really is your loss, it is a great game. Let me ask you a question, do you always look into a company's political or social views before buying a game though? Hmm, just coming on here, creating an account with that nickname might indicate I'm kinda wasting my time here, prove me wrong! :tongue:


    kingkuma wrote: »
    I think we should close this before it goes to S***.
    @Foxy

    They have this policy of supporting discussions on their forums. And so far there isn't anything in here that warrants a lock, right? Even if it is a touchy and potential volatile subject, I'm quite surprised!

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  • TurquoiseKnightTurquoiseKnight United StatesMembers Join Date: 2018-02-03 Member: 236639Posts: 12 Fully active user
    @Kouji_San

    Yeah, its a shame. And now this has grown into the female player model debacle. Charlie should take a hint from other companies and just duck and cover, wait for this to blow over before announcing measures to placate the whiny few.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The NetherlandsMembers, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Posts: 15,782 Advanced user
    Alright, fair enough and that is of course your right to do so, I will never dispute that!

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  • Mr_JonesMr_Jones Members Join Date: 2018-02-06 Member: 237034Posts: 1 Fully active user
    This thread's absurd - anyone thinking they've got sufficient facts upon which to form a balanced view based on what's come out in a couple of press items is showing astonishing naivety.
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  • DrownedOutDrownedOut HabitatMembers Join Date: 2016-05-26 Member: 217559Posts: 1,091 Advanced user
    UWE has my support for this move. As much as I love the music in the game and do acknowledge Si's amazing contribution, those comments are disgusting and having had the displeasure of working with someone only a fifth as bad and holding my breath for the next horrible they were going to say (because people like these don't keep to social media, though they might be more subtle in person), I am glad to see action taken in favor of a more welcoming work space.

    Mind, I'm also not someone who believes in single chances; as per the reports, UWE talked with them about the tweets and they chose to stand by them. They made it clear they would be damaging to potential future colleagues and therefore had to go. Simple as that.

    The idea that UWE did this for publicity or out of fear for mobs is, btw, preposterous. I mean, look at most of you being a mob just as much. A decision either way would've brought trouble for UWE; might as well stick to what they committed too.
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  • Racer1Racer1 Members Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9615Posts: 1,595 Advanced user
    We live in a connected world. Right or wrong, UWE could not have pleased everyone regardless their decision. UWE has a right to fire anyone they want (mostly), and customers have a right to respond according to their conscience, based on what they know (even if it is limited).
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 USMembers Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Posts: 5,262 Advanced user
    Victor32 wrote: »
    Thanks for providing all the links, @0x6A7232 !

    And thanks to everyone for voicing their opinions - at least here on the forum we can speak freely and disagree with one another without risk of being fired banned. I'm being sarcastic, but this quote just did it for me:
    “They began asking me how I would react if they hired a Muslim or trans person. I said I’d debate them like anyone else on the team if I disagreed with them,” said Chylinski. “They said that this would create an unwelcoming working environment and that they see it as a problem that almost only white men are working there, and they need more diversity and that what I said would make that difficult to achieve.”

    So if a Muslim person tells you that the sun is pink with green polka dot pattern, you are expected to agree with them because they are Muslim. Congrats, UWE, on PR move of the year.

    I don't think it requires any more commentary.

    It really depends if the conversation (debate) was mutual and respectful. I wasn't clear on that. You can't fault the guy for having differing opinions if he's respectful about expressing them.

    His meme post I didn't find particularly offensive (but I'm not into such things and I took it as a disagreeing eyeroll, it may have more meaning than that, I'm not sure).

    The comments about IQ and such, while possibly factually accurate, aren't clear enough to be sure they are talking negatively about the people themselves, as if that's part of who they are, or merely stating facts (I mean, If you grew up in a crazy area where there's gangs, drugs, abuse, thugs abducted your mom when you were 8 and your Dad died trying to prevent it, and you've been taking care of your little brother ever since, you wouldn't really have time to nourish that high IQ, and you might even steal things!).
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  • noneofyourbusinessnoneofyourbusiness Members Join Date: 2018-02-06 Member: 237040Posts: 1 Freshly registered user
    just registered to say, I will never buy one of your games. Ever. Pathetic cowards.
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 USMembers Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Posts: 5,262 Advanced user
    Apparently some ppl in this thread, including OP, aren't adjusting to the "new normal". Social media is being more and more scrutinized by companies and how their employees use it. Most companies now have social media policies written into their employee handbooks. Mine does. So here's the jist, if you're an asshole on the internet in a public space with your public account, with your company's name attached to the account, expect backlash. If you think you can just say whatever opinionated thing you want, and then post about the work you're doing for company XYZ, think again. This is the "New Normal". Adjust and adapt, or be fired.

    I would however love to see how that is handled when that shoe is on another foot, however. Say, right-wing owned coffee shop fires employee for posting that "conservative tools are destroying our planet" or "conservatives are responsible for the death of thousands of children due to school shootings".

    Is it in the right-wing coffee shop's rights to do so? Sure. But imagine the backlash. A lot of people are probably angry just thinking about it right now after reading this.

    But at the same time, if the employee is always posting about stuff from work and how he loves working there... I can see how they have an image to uphold (what they stand for).
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  • SuperElementSuperElement Members Join Date: 2013-07-09 Member: 186008Posts: 15 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Ugh, yeah which is kinda the other side of the coin. Judging a game not for the game, but for unrelated things. Kinda a sad display on both sides now, but I kinda hinted at this as being an expected result :/

    Purchasing a product which in this case would be a game is not just a way for the consumer to gain said product but to support the makers of said product. If the makers of said product act in a way that is considered deplorable or unsavoury to the customer, why wouldn't said customer want to not support them?

    I'd argue that the very basis of firing an employee based on their publicised comments is exactly to assuage the impact those comments have on customers. Except in this case, firing a worthy employee simply because a small fringe minority of people that an even smaller portion of might be potential customers launched a small smear campaign in order to attack one of Unknown World's employees for their personal comments.

    If you consider Yooka Laylee, in which JonTron's contribution was completely cut from the game for arguably more apolitical comments, and the response of the customers versus the small community that reported his comments to the company behind the game- you might surmise that the whiplash for catering to political blackmail (there is little to suggest that this is not a sudden act) is far worse.

    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    There's some discussion back and forth about this over here (/r/Games)...

    Informative post, thank you for the informative links which are handy even for people have been aware of past events and have a good idea of what has transpired.


    For what it's worth, I believe that though it may not be necessarily wise in today's world to publicise one's views if they are counter culture to the establishment in most if not all countries, I respect far more that an employee of a company is still a person who has a right to have divergent views, and that such views are not responsible for their talent or competence.

    If we support censorship simply because of the status of employment, we are effectively consenting ourselves to such treatment in the future as well. For government jobs that almost sounds reasonable, but in the private sector?

    Time has proven, at least in my eyes, repeatedly that catering to a vocal minority who are most likely not even paying customers for a larger part is a poor business choice, and failing to protect employees from attacks by such ill-intent speaks poorly of the company that behaves so.

    Like others may think, I believe that if this was not a disastrous knee-jerk reaction, it is a poorly considered one- I have observed far less competent employees to be provided the chance to gracefully quit and seek new work opportunities rather than have the stigma of being fired.

    I personally will not be purchasing anything from Unknown Worlds Entertainment again, as I do not support their business practices any longer.
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  • jamintheinfinite_1jamintheinfinite_1 JupiterMembers Join Date: 2016-12-03 Member: 224524Posts: 1,062 Advanced user
    edited February 2018
    Based on what I been reading. Simion did something on Twitter that could be offensive. People got mad. He got fired because of it. More people got mad. Imo, if it was very offensive then yes I can see why they got fired, but the people mad about him being fired are just annoying. They fired him for being rude. Meanwhile there are other companies who are actually being rude to their employees. There are cases of other companies getting in trouble for mistreating a certain group of employees. In fact, a giant disaster happened because of it. When the Triangle Shirt Sewing Building place in the U.S caught on fire. Hundreds of women inside died, because the doors were locked just so they couldn't sneak out before break time. And well, other reasons as well. This did call an outrage and improved worker safety. But here, a guy gets fired for doing something offensive and people are freaking out just like the building thing happened again. Stop calling UWE messed up for this when there are a lot more messed up cases than this.
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 USMembers Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Posts: 5,262 Advanced user
    kingkuma wrote: »
    Personally, this thread makes me sad. It's a great game, and this whole thing has gotten out of hand. I wish people on both sides could be more tolerant, it would mean a lot to me if everyone just accepted that everyone on the world doesn't have the same beliefs as them.

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