Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited July 2010
Congratulations to Spain!!!
But oh god what a bad umpire... That guy had no control over the entire match, all he could do was whistle and pull out yellow cards... My god that guy should hand in his resignation and apologize for his complete lack of everything and completely wrecking the match flow :D
<!--quoteo(post=1777852:date=Jul 11 2010, 11:58 PM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Crispy @ Jul 11 2010, 11:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1777852"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pretty boring final in the end, but at least it was a good goal to clinch it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> True, but Holland should have gotten a corner though right before the goal. That goal however was indeed a fitting end to this awful World Cup. Can I have a yay for another off-side goal?
Ah well, who wants to see penalties anyways :P
[edit] At least Switzerland can now boast about the fact they won from the world champion :D
<!--quoteo(post=1777856:date=Jul 12 2010, 12:15 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Jul 12 2010, 12:15 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1777856"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Can I have a yay for another off-side goal?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol
what
are you serious? <img src="http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8705/loltzg.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Yeah! Spain won! just a little trivia..when iniesta hit the goal and took off his shirt.. In front of a TV audience of more than 750 million, the Barca star removed his shirt to reveal the message "Dani Jarque siempre con nosotros," which translates to:
<i><b>Dani Jarque always with us</b></i>
Espanyol defender Jarque suffered a heart attack before a pre-season game in Italy in 2009. He never played club football with Iniesta, but they were the same age as they rose through the Spanish national team ranks.
The ref should have been harsher, but that would have in no way benefitted the Dutch. If the ref had been stricter, the Netherlands would have had 2 defenders sent off before Spanish central defender Puyol's challenge on Robben, which although the ref played the advantage allowing the striker to continue on his run since he didn't go down, should have been a second yellow if he didn't want to give a straight red.
Later, though, but clearly PO'd with the decision not going his way, Robben should also have been sent off for kicking the ball in the back of the net a long time after the whistle had been blown.
I think the idea with resisting the yellow cards early and the red cards later on was to keep the tempo of the game, but all it ended up doing was giving a carte blanche to everyone to make even more challenges, which ended up doing the exact opposite and making the game a stop-start event.
Imo he is a good referee and gave the same treatment to both teams, but perhaps his leniency had a detriment on the quality of this final.
<!--quoteo(post=1777931:date=Jul 12 2010, 01:39 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Jul 12 2010, 01:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1777931"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The mainland European's would have moaned more if we sent 5 players off in a final..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Europeans
And yes, them fouls were terrible. Oh ###### we can't win so lets just play brutally. As on edge the players were, the judge must've been very close to snapping, respect to the man.
<!--quoteo(post=1777930:date=Jul 12 2010, 02:29 PM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Crispy @ Jul 12 2010, 02:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1777930"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The ref should have been harsher, but that would have in no way benefitted the Dutch. If the ref had been stricter, the Netherlands would have had 2 defenders sent off before Spanish central defender Puyol's challenge on Robben, which although the ref played the advantage allowing the striker to continue on his run since he didn't go down, should have been a second yellow if he didn't want to give a straight red.
Later, though, but clearly PO'd with the decision not going his way, Robben should also have been sent off for kicking the ball in the back of the net a long time after the whistle had been blown.
I think the idea with resisting the yellow cards early and the red cards later on was to keep the tempo of the game, but all it ended up doing was giving a carte blanche to everyone to make even more challenges, which ended up doing the exact opposite and making the game a stop-start event.
Imo he is a good referee and gave the same treatment to both teams, but perhaps his leniency had a detriment on the quality of this final.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
too bad I have to work tomorrow<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The off-side was before this... Right before the ball was intercepted and then bounced back ;)
And yes that karate kick has no place on the field, he should have received a red card for that moronic and dangerous crap...
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1777952:date=Jul 12 2010, 05:57 PM:name=Mendasp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mendasp @ Jul 12 2010, 05:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1777952"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If the dutch defender had let the ball through it would've been offside, but since Iniesta didn't interfere with play, it wasn't offside.
It's in the rules.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're wrong, he was part of the play. Because of the fact he was influencing the goal keeper and the defense, and during the bounce back of the ball they were no longer on location... That is also in the rules :)
Let's be clear here: If you want to complain about anything from that goal, it should be the corner kick in the previous action, this wasn't offside at all, look at the international press, see what they say about the goal.
If you really want to think that you guys lost because of the ref, that'd be awesome, and very ironic, considering that you should've ended the game with 9 players on the pitch (or at least played with 10 for 70 minutes, and a lot more yellow cards).
Let's go a little further: Do you seriously think you deserved to win with those "tactics"? I know it sucks to lose a final, and it's uncertain when you'll get there again (my club lost two CL finals and I don't know if we'll ever get there again) but making up excuses like these is a little sad. I'm pretty sure the local press isn't helping much.
I'm sorry (and a little disappointed) that Holland isn't playing the beautiful football it did ever since the 70's. The dutch deserve a WC, but this isn't the Netherlands we all respected for its beautiful football.
Anyways, nothing is going to change the final score now, and I think we fully deserved this (and the Fair Play award).
PS: Paul the octopus, spanish national hero forever, after Iniesta.
To be fair it was basically Barcelona v Holland, if not now almost all of those players have played there together at some point which is a big helping for Spain :P
Although yeah, that kick was red card straight away and only Spain can feel a tiny bit aggrieved at the referee as he was clearly told to take a more relaxed attitude to keep the game 11 a-side.
The main Dutch complaint iirc for the goal wasn't offside, but what they believed to be a foul on Elia just moments before on a forward run on the left wing.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited July 2010
Hold your horses there buddy, I never said anything about the loss or about the ref being in favor of Spain... Don't you dare put words in my mouth! I just remarked that this ref was bad, because if you can't keep control of the match and saturate it with yellow cards, they just lose all meaning. That karate kick should have been a red card, I have no idea why it was yellow...
van Gaal (one of the very best footbal experts/coaches) predicted this ref would kill the gameflow. I was talking about the gameflow, not about him being against either team. Some of the many times he blew his whistle were indeed fouls, but giving out cards like candy and whistling on just about anything. Even stuff that was pure acting of the guys going down (both teams). All adds up to a ref that has no place in a final match.
The match could have been nice if the ref actually would let them play. Except of course for the karate kick (he should be banned from pro-football IMHO) and some other real fouls from both teams. Still Spain won fair and square. Even if there were offside/corner/obstructions issues in the final minutes and before the goal, it is still a goal. But this entire World Cup (especially the final) has been plagued by these kind of issues :(
+1 for technical assistance, maybe with a few outlines! This is the frigging 21st century and most players are top class actors. Please help the refs, they simply can't see everything in an instant anymore!
Sorry if I got a little carried away, I didn't imply that you said the ref made you lose the game, just that if someone thought that he'd be crazy. It's typical football debate, someone says the ref made a bad call, and the other tries to prove the opposite... :)
The thing is that we all agree that the ref was terrible (the worst part is that we all knew it was going to happen).
If Spain plays like this is thanks (in a really long, convulted way) to Johan Cruijff, he changed Barça's playstyle, which has benefited Spain in the end. I still think we played better in the Euro, but nothing tops winning the World Cup.
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<b>nudge</b> <i>tr.v.</i> <b>nudged, nudg·ing, nudg·es</b> <b>1.</b> To push against gently, especially in order to gain attention or give a signal. <b>2.</b> To come close to; near: "<i>The temperature was nudging 105 degrees in the shade</i>" (Scouting). <i>n.</i> A gentle push.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
de Jong has done stuff like this before... Seriously why is he still allowed to play. The fact that he raised his hands, as in "oh I didn't do anything" makes this even worse
<!--quoteo(post=1778767:date=Jul 14 2010, 05:16 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Jul 14 2010, 05:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1778767"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->de Jong has done stuff like this before... Seriously why is he still allowed to play. The fact that he raised his hands, as in "oh I didn't do anything" makes this even worse<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
de Jong's been quoted defending what he did- "I only had eyes for the ball" or some rubbish.
Holland were filthy and made the referee's job exceptionally hard. I think Webb did as good as anyone could have (maybe <strike>Skeletor</strike> Collina could have stopped the terrible challenges?).
Robben went down in my estimation- whiny little git when things weren't going his way.
van Bommel went the entire tournament without seeing a red card which amazed me.
Very happy Spain won- they played the most attractive football and I did *not* want to see Holland win playing the way they did.
I don't really get what's meant by that - what is "beautiful" or "attractive" football? Is it just not diving and crying and kicking people in the chest, or is there more to it?
<!--quoteo(post=1778858:date=Jul 14 2010, 08:48 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sherpa @ Jul 14 2010, 08:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1778858"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->de Jong's been quoted defending what he did- "I only had eyes for the ball" or some rubbish.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He probably did, looks like he did from that .gif. When you raise your foot that's always possible in football; anyone who plays that knows that. I actually injured another lad 2 weeks ago with a raised foot to the head, studded him right in the cheek. Normally though, playing in goal the majority of the time, you catch people with your fists. It happens, it's sport.
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But oh god what a bad umpire... That guy had no control over the entire match, all he could do was whistle and pull out yellow cards... My god that guy should hand in his resignation and apologize for his complete lack of everything and completely wrecking the match flow :D
<!--quoteo(post=1777852:date=Jul 11 2010, 11:58 PM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Crispy @ Jul 11 2010, 11:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1777852"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pretty boring final in the end, but at least it was a good goal to clinch it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True, but Holland should have gotten a corner though right before the goal. That goal however was indeed a fitting end to this awful World Cup. Can I have a yay for another off-side goal?
Ah well, who wants to see penalties anyways :P
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At least Switzerland can now boast about the fact they won from the world champion :D
lol
what
are you serious?
<img src="http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8705/loltzg.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
###### WORLD CHAMPIONS! :D
too bad I have to work tomorrow
<i><b>Dani Jarque always with us</b></i>
Espanyol defender Jarque suffered a heart attack before a pre-season game in Italy in 2009. He never played club football with Iniesta, but they were the same age as they rose through the Spanish national team ranks.
<img src="http://www.as.com/img/espana_campeon1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
What a messy game.
I heard that the ref made some egregious calls in the game
Zaggy brah good run I guess
Later, though, but clearly PO'd with the decision not going his way, Robben should also have been sent off for kicking the ball in the back of the net a long time after the whistle had been blown.
I think the idea with resisting the yellow cards early and the red cards later on was to keep the tempo of the game, but all it ended up doing was giving a carte blanche to everyone to make even more challenges, which ended up doing the exact opposite and making the game a stop-start event.
Imo he is a good referee and gave the same treatment to both teams, but perhaps his leniency had a detriment on the quality of this final.
*Europeans
And yes, them fouls were terrible.
Oh ###### we can't win so lets just play brutally.
As on edge the players were, the judge must've been very close to snapping, respect to the man.
Later, though, but clearly PO'd with the decision not going his way, Robben should also have been sent off for kicking the ball in the back of the net a long time after the whistle had been blown.
I think the idea with resisting the yellow cards early and the red cards later on was to keep the tempo of the game, but all it ended up doing was giving a carte blanche to everyone to make even more challenges, which ended up doing the exact opposite and making the game a stop-start event.
Imo he is a good referee and gave the same treatment to both teams, but perhaps his leniency had a detriment on the quality of this final.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/10ylz86.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Spain played football, Netherlands played Taekwondo, No more to say
what
are you serious?
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###### WORLD CHAMPIONS! :D
too bad I have to work tomorrow<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The off-side was before this... Right before the ball was intercepted and then bounced back ;)
And yes that karate kick has no place on the field, he should have received a red card for that moronic and dangerous crap...
It's in the rules.
It's in the rules.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're wrong, he was part of the play. Because of the fact he was influencing the goal keeper and the defense, and during the bounce back of the ball they were no longer on location... That is also in the rules :)
If that fact is coming across this wire we call the interwebz, then I give up on you lot :P
If you really want to think that you guys lost because of the ref, that'd be awesome, and very ironic, considering that you should've ended the game with 9 players on the pitch (or at least played with 10 for 70 minutes, and a lot more yellow cards).
Let's go a little further: Do you seriously think you deserved to win with those "tactics"? I know it sucks to lose a final, and it's uncertain when you'll get there again (my club lost two CL finals and I don't know if we'll ever get there again) but making up excuses like these is a little sad. I'm pretty sure the local press isn't helping much.
I'm sorry (and a little disappointed) that Holland isn't playing the beautiful football it did ever since the 70's. The dutch deserve a WC, but this isn't the Netherlands we all respected for its beautiful football.
Anyways, nothing is going to change the final score now, and I think we fully deserved this (and the Fair Play award).
PS: Paul the octopus, spanish national hero forever, after Iniesta.
Although yeah, that kick was red card straight away and only Spain can feel a tiny bit aggrieved at the referee as he was clearly told to take a more relaxed attitude to keep the game 11 a-side.
The main Dutch complaint iirc for the goal wasn't offside, but what they believed to be a foul on Elia just moments before on a forward run on the left wing.
van Gaal (one of the very best footbal experts/coaches) predicted this ref would kill the gameflow. I was talking about the gameflow, not about him being against either team. Some of the many times he blew his whistle were indeed fouls, but giving out cards like candy and whistling on just about anything. Even stuff that was pure acting of the guys going down (both teams). All adds up to a ref that has no place in a final match.
The match could have been nice if the ref actually would let them play. Except of course for the karate kick (he should be banned from pro-football IMHO) and some other real fouls from both teams. Still Spain won fair and square. Even if there were offside/corner/obstructions issues in the final minutes and before the goal, it is still a goal. But this entire World Cup (especially the final) has been plagued by these kind of issues :(
+1 for technical assistance, maybe with a few outlines! This is the frigging 21st century and most players are top class actors. Please help the refs, they simply can't see everything in an instant anymore!
The thing is that we all agree that the ref was terrible (the worst part is that we all knew it was going to happen).
If Spain plays like this is thanks (in a really long, convulted way) to Johan Cruijff, he changed Barça's playstyle, which has benefited Spain in the end. I still think we played better in the Euro, but nothing tops winning the World Cup.
Spain played football, Netherlands played Taekwondo, No more to say<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
are you blind? that's just a nudge of the shoulder.
Too soon?
<i>tr.v.</i> <b>nudged, nudg·ing, nudg·es</b>
<b>1.</b> To push against gently, especially in order to gain attention or give a signal.
<b>2.</b> To come close to; near: "<i>The temperature was nudging 105 degrees in the shade</i>" (Scouting).
<i>n.</i>
A gentle push.
Oh reaaaaaaaaaaallllllyy?
de Jong's been quoted defending what he did- "I only had eyes for the ball" or some rubbish.
Holland were filthy and made the referee's job exceptionally hard. I think Webb did as good as anyone could have (maybe <strike>Skeletor</strike> Collina could have stopped the terrible challenges?).
Robben went down in my estimation- whiny little git when things weren't going his way.
van Bommel went the entire tournament without seeing a red card which amazed me.
Very happy Spain won- they played the most attractive football and I did *not* want to see Holland win playing the way they did.
I'm so tired of soccer players faking injuries. This is why people who like real sports (football) dislike soccer. I can't even see where he got hit.
He probably did, looks like he did from that .gif. When you raise your foot that's always possible in football; anyone who plays that knows that. I actually injured another lad 2 weeks ago with a raised foot to the head, studded him right in the cheek. Normally though, playing in goal the majority of the time, you catch people with your fists. It happens, it's sport.