TF2 Update Thread

locallyunscene

<!--quoteo(post=1681298:date=Jun 17 2008, 05:58 AM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Jun 17 2008, 05:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681298"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The cynic in me wants to say this is because Valve need to make up for a lack of first-party TF2 maps and are doing this by endorsing third-party content instead of creating more maps themselves. But depending on which maps they chose, this is still unprecedented awesome for a developer and should give a massive boost to the TF2 mapping community.

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While I understand the cynic view, I've played very few PC games where the standard maps were "enough". Embracing the mapping community is the best way to generate new content IMO.

lolfighter

Testing has shown that most people tend to focus their preferences on a limited selection of colours. Therefore, every single texture in Left4Dead will be blue. This isn't because we're almost out of time and haven't made the textures yet, it's what YOU want. We won't stop those crazy people who make custom textures, though.

TychoCelchuuu

Speaking of colors, was anyone confused when they saw the <a href="http://steampowered.com/status/tf2/tf2_stats.php" target="_blank">TF2 stats</a> and noticed that Red was winning more than Blu on symmetrical maps? I was reminded of this when I saw <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/14/1147214" target="_blank">this Slashdot story</a>. I think it's pretty funny, really. I think Valve should swap to something different, like Green v Blu or something, or they could go with the modern day, Gears of War/CoD4 color scheme and do Gray team v Brown team. That would be exciting.

locallyunscene

<!--quoteo(post=1681317:date=Jun 17 2008, 10:38 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 17 2008, 10:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681317"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Speaking of colors, was anyone confused when they saw the <a href="http://steampowered.com/status/tf2/tf2_stats.php" target="_blank">TF2 stats</a> and noticed that Red was winning more than Blu on symmetrical maps? I was reminded of this when I saw <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/14/1147214" target="_blank">this Slashdot story</a>. I think it's pretty funny, really. I think Valve should swap to something different, like Green v Blu or something, or they could go with the modern day, Gears of War/CoD4 color scheme and do Gray team v Brown team. That would be exciting.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I always thought that the team you're fighting against should be red and you should appear red to them. The only reason game-play-wise to have each team have a distinct color is for having more than two teams. I was honestly surprised when the first time I played the red team and all of a sudden, the hostiles were my friendlies and vice versa. If they're maintaining the team colors for the RED vs BLU "plot-line" I think they should drop that crap, or at least make it a client side setting. I mean Max coded up those dynamic signs ages ago. He should lend valve the code so they can switch the colors on the maps as needed.

Align

<!--quoteo(post=1681317:date=Jun 17 2008, 04:38 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 17 2008, 04:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681317"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think Valve should swap to something different, like Green v Blu or something, or they could go with the modern day, Gears of War/CoD4 color scheme and do Gray team v Brown team. That would be exciting.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />
But I don't think it matters which colors they choose; it would always be slightly biased one way or the other.
<!--quoteo(post=1681319:date=Jun 17 2008, 04:52 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Jun 17 2008, 04:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681319"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I always thought that the team you're fighting against should be red and you should appear red to them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Dynamic textures would be harder when they're not on models, plus it'd ruin the whole RED - Farms, BLU - Industrial themes.

locallyunscene

<!--quoteo(post=1681321:date=Jun 17 2008, 11:00 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 17 2008, 11:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681321"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Dynamic textures would be harder when they're not on models, plus it'd ruin the whole RED - Farms, BLU - Industrial themes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Funny, I always looked at it as one corp vs. another. Never caught the farm vs. industrial before.

I'm all for atmosphere in gameplay, but it seems to me the two colors are pretty much interchangeable in terms of "plot". Especially when there's decent evidence that one color is better than the other.

Align

Whatever.
<!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->MEET THE SNIPER IS OUT HOLY PENIS<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

And it is <!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--fonto:Impact--><span style='font-family: "Impact"'><!--/fonto--><b>GLORIOUS</b><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681347:date=Jun 17 2008, 01:53 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 17 2008, 01:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681347"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Whatever.
<!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->MEET THE SNIPER IS OUT HOLY PENIS<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

And it is <!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--fonto:Impact--><span style="font-family:Impact"><!--/fonto--><b>GLORIOUS</b><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No link?

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edit:

Now that I've watched it... Pretty good.
I liked the demoman flailing around shooting nades off. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

locallyunscene

He almost seemed a bit too normal for my taste. I think I preferred all of the other ones over his.

lolfighter

Look, he's a professional. You may be fine with getting drunk on the job or running around yelling "bonk" and annoying the heavy, but some people take pride in their work. You shouldn't scoff at that.

Align

<!--quoteo(post=1681350:date=Jun 17 2008, 08:01 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Jun 17 2008, 08:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681350"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No link?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Because you're supposed to watch the HD version on Steam.
<!--quoteo(post=1681354:date=Jun 17 2008, 08:10 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Jun 17 2008, 08:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681354"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->He almost seemed a bit too normal for my taste. I think I preferred all of the other ones over his.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->It was all the better for it. Also if you didn't laugh more at this than Meet the Scout ur a maget.

Thansal

It was damn good. Not what I was expecting, but I really liked it

Align

Also, what will happen after Pyro 'shivmnts:
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remi

Meh. I agree with others. He was a bit too normal. He also reminded me of the geico gecko.

Some parts I liked like:
<!--QuoteBegin-"Tf2Wiki"+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Tf2Wiki")</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sniper: [Looking into the distance] "I think his mate saw me."

[A bullet ricochets off the ledge under the Sniper]

Sniper: "Yes, yes he did!"

[The Sniper takes cover as return fire richochets off the tower]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It showed a good "cool and collected" character... but some of the other parts just didn't get this across as well and he seemed too normal.

Too normal to us, I believe, just means a non-memorable persona.

Scythe

Aussie cars are right hand drive, fyi.

Otherwise, awesome.

--Scythe--

lolfighter

'o says 'es in awstraylia? Any self-respectin' profeshnal 'as ta be willin' ta travel the blo'y globe, ain' he?

locallyunscene

<!--quoteo(post=1681361:date=Jun 17 2008, 04:30 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 17 2008, 04:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681361"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, what will happen after Pyro 'shivmnts:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, that made me chuckle.

Thansal

cute things:
1) warning sign is the HS sprite
2) billboard is FOAD
3) Bobble head is VIP, and is sitting on a Yellow stand.
4) Yellow jars any one?

TychoCelchuuu

<!--quoteo(post=1681362:date=Jun 17 2008, 03:30 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Jun 17 2008, 03:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681362"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Meh. I agree with others. He was a bit too normal. He also reminded me of the geico gecko.

Some parts I liked like:
It showed a good "cool and collected" character... but some of the other parts just didn't get this across as well and he seemed too normal.

Too normal to us, I believe, just means a non-memorable persona.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's a little scary that you guys can watch a video of a hired killer who makes his living shooting people and spends all day camped out in one position drinking coffee and bottling his urine and say he's too normal. What parts of him are normal? The giant kukri, rifle, and hat he goes everywhere with? The way he says that feelings are something that only spousal abusers have, and that professionals just have standards? His lack of emotion when it comes to killing many, many people for money? Bottling the pee? If that's normal then I'm afraid to see what you guys would consider abnormal.

X_Stickman

<!--quoteo(post=1681369:date=Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681369"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->3) Bobble head is VIP, and is sitting on a Yellow stand.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The stand is also the TFC logo.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681376:date=Jun 17 2008, 07:37 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 17 2008, 07:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681376"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think it's a little scary that you guys can watch a video of a hired killer who makes his living shooting people and spends all day camped out in one position drinking coffee and bottling his urine and say he's too normal. What parts of him are normal? The giant kukri, rifle, and hat he goes everywhere with? The way he says that feelings are something that only spousal abusers have, and that professionals just have standards? His lack of emotion when it comes to killing many, many people for money? Bottling the pee? If that's normal then I'm afraid to see what you guys would consider abnormal.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it has to do more with the way it was presented. The things you mentioned there didn't really get across very well to me. I think it was partly because I've been desensitized to the mindless endless killing because that's all you do in TF2. These are just meet the character in the game videos, and all these characters do is kill each other.

If the sniper's character relies on him spending his days camping out and shooting people, then how is that different from any other class in this game (other than medic)?

TychoCelchuuu

<!--quoteo(post=1681380:date=Jun 17 2008, 07:33 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Jun 17 2008, 07:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681380"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think it has to do more with the way it was presented. The things you mentioned there didn't really get across very well to me. I think it was partly because I've been desensitized to the mindless endless killing because that's all you do in TF2. These are just meet the character in the game videos, and all these characters do is kill each other.

If the sniper's character relies on him spending his days camping out and shooting people, then how is that different from any other class in this game (other than medic)?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say it's different, I said that someone who makes a living murdering and keeps bottles of urine around <i>while</i> he's murdering is not my idea of "normal."

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681383:date=Jun 17 2008, 09:22 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 17 2008, 09:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681383"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I didn't say it's different, I said that someone who makes a living murdering and keeps bottles of urine around <i>while</i> he's murdering is not my idea of "normal."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe what the rest of us are considering "normal" is merely a character which is not memorable, and not "normal" in the traditional definition. The sniper isn't memorable because there's nothing different between him and the rest of the cast, nothing that really sets him apart.

The actual intended character may have differences, but they weren't accented enough in the movie to make him memorable.

Monkfish

He's Australian what did you expect

(stop reading into it so much you losers)

Crispy

<!--quoteo(post=1681363:date=Jun 17 2008, 09:30 PM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Jun 17 2008, 09:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Aussie cars are right hand drive, fyi.

Otherwise, awesome.

--Scythe--<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->How can you, as an Aussie, approve of the goddamn AWFUL excuse for an Australian accent in the movie (but still point out the right-hand drive!)? I'm surprised at you, Scythe.


This film was the best one yet, for me. There are so many little, easter eggs throughout the whole thing (e.g. camper urine bottles) and the editing is great.

<!--quoteo(post=1681311:date=Jun 17 2008, 02:49 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 17 2008, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wouldn't go so far as saying it's "unprecedented" since even Valve has done it before but it's definitely awesome.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The only thing I can think of here is Valve re-making maps from the custom community and adding them in as official ones, which isn't the same thing really. This way they're pointing out the people doing good work and instead of taking their credit, or bringing them onto the team to become Valve, they're inviting players to try out their maps (and maybe consider other community maps) and they're also encouraging other mappers to try harder.

lolfighter

The difference between the sniper and the others is that he's a professional, not a crazed gunman. Frankly, I say that makes him stick out like a sore thumb. If that's not memorable, you need your memory examined, because I think it's broken.

Svenpa

<a href="http://www.steampowered.com/pyro/?pw=presspreview" target="_blank">http://www.steampowered.com/pyro/?pw=presspreview</a>

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In addition to the three unlockable Pyro weapons, we've made a significant addition to the base Pyro flamethrower. By hitting the alt-fire key, the Pyro is able to produce a blast of compressed air that knocks enemies away, and redirects enemy projectiles. It’s a highly versatile tool, allowing Pyros to get away from nearby enemies after igniting them, to kill enemy soldiers with their own rockets, or to separate enemy Medics from their healing targets. In particular, it allows a skilled Pyro to contain an enemy invulnerability push, and even to separate the Medic completely if the surrounding terrain supports it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<img src="http://www.steampowered.com/pyro/images/pic_flaregun.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
The first Pyro unlockable is The Flare Gun, which replaces the shotgun. It allows the Pyro to ignite an enemy at long range, but does require careful aim on their part. It’s particularly useful for causing havoc on Snipers and Engineers who want to keep their distance.

<img src="http://www.steampowered.com/pyro/images/pic_backburner.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
The second Pyro unlockable is The Backburner. This flamethrower is built for the Pyro who likes to ambush their opponents. It removes the compression blast capability, instead guaranteeing critical hits whenever it’s used on an opponent from behind. To aid in survivability, it grants the Pyro an extra fifty health.

<img src="http://www.steampowered.com/pyro/images/pic_ax.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
The third Pyro unlockable is The Axtinguisher. This mighty axe guarantees critical hits on any enemy that’s currently on fire, although it’s significantly weaker against enemies who aren’t. A great combination with the The Flare Gun, or with another Pyro buddy riding alongside doing the igniting.

35 achivements, with the usual odor of létarded on some of them (who the hell will go spy with 12vs12 pyros?). At least they are easier to farm with fewer ppl and I hope for valves own sake that they have tracked most of those kills/damage/etc achivements for us oldies.

X_Stickman

Most of those achievements look a hell of a lot more realistic than the medic achievements did. And by "realistic" I mean "reasonable to expect people to get most of them during regular play".

The "kill enemy with a taunt" one will probably lead to some seriously retarded situations with idiots rushing the bridge on 2fort spamming the G key at inappropriate times, though.


I do, however, fully endorse having an achievement for causing people to ragequit.

lolfighter

Worse, the hadouken (taunt for the secondary weapon, and the only one that does any damage) does ONE point of damage. Sorry, but I flat out refuse to believe that anyone is going to get that one in the course of normal play. It'll be a great indicator for people who got their achievements on an achievement farming server.

BarbeQueQ is genious though. Along with announcing that you got that achievement, it should ALSO announce who gave it to you, for extra shame. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

locallyunscene

Sure are a lot of "grind"achievements though. It'll be hard when everyone's running around as pyro. Looks pretty good. Deflecting projectiles sounds awesome.