TF2 Update Thread

Faskalia

3 cm on the pad = 360
Edit: And to pick up sherpas, excellent point: wrist mover. My lower arm is completely stationary, while playing <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

sherpa

I think the biggest factor for your best sensitivity is how you move your mouse. There's full on arm and shoulder moving, or just wrist.

Me, I'm a wrist mouser = high sensitivity = good for deathmatch-style games like TF2, but bad for slower paced games like C-S.

As a rule of thumb.

TychoCelchuuu

My mouse sensitivity is 3.something ingame.

remi

I think I use a combination of wrist and arm. o.O
Mostly wrist for twitchiness... I need to pay attention next time I'm paying.

douchebagatron

wrist mover at 11


i've heard that if youre used to using high sensitivity, and you move it down to like 1 until youre decent with 1, then you move it back up to high, then you supposedly get better aim. i havent tried it though, and that might only be true for slower paced games, or only for faster paces games.

[WHO]Them

<!--quoteo(post=1681153:date=Jun 14 2008, 02:40 PM:name=6john)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(6john @ Jun 14 2008, 02:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681153"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->wrist mover at 11
i've heard that if youre used to using high sensitivity, and you move it down to like 1 until youre decent with 1, then you move it back up to high, then you supposedly get better aim. i havent tried it though, and that might only be true for slower paced games, or only for faster paces games.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Studies have shown that it's only true for games with plucky sidekicks.

Kouji_San

<!--quoteo(post=1681119:date=Jun 14 2008, 01:38 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Jun 14 2008, 01:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681119"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->On a semi-related note, which sensitivity do you all use when playing? I'm not after numbers but "low", "high" or "real low with bench sized mousepad" like.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sensitivity 7 on a MX500 @ 1000Hz USB rate, which is smooth for twitch and trace. I just hate crits as they can ruin anyone, no matter how good you are...

For Forgotten Hope I also used the same settings, which is a game that can be hectic or slow paced, depending on number of enemy crosshairs trying to aim at ya (but then again, that game also has a lot of tactical movement with outflanking, which is near impossible in TF2's map design)

sherpa

Giving in-game sens is pointless as it also depends on windows sens, DPI and mouse driver sens (if you have a fancy mouse).

For me,

TF2 sens = 2.6
Windows sens = 5/10
DPI = 900

You'll also get shafted if you use an ancient trackball mouse or modern laser mice- as both frequently skip, messing up twitch aiming. The best mice are the semi-old optical ones such as the mx500 and the more recent IR laser mouse like the Razer DeathAdder (which I can voich for).

Unfortunately, most laser mouse are marketed as "hey this is modern technology thus better than the previous generation" when in fact they suck compared to the old optical ones.

An e-sports site has spent an insane amount of time testing all the mice looking at different factors.

Et voila:

<img src="http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2007/51480-mousescore07.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

(Higher = better!)

Crispy

2.8 on a Razer Diamondback with the mouse at factory settings.

It might seem low but I've been getting some great point-blank twitch headshots with the sniper when I have the guts to stand my ground. It also works great for the scattergun, rocket launcher and the grenade launcher.

[Edit] On a Lian Li steel mousepad.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681179:date=Jun 15 2008, 05:42 AM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Jun 15 2008, 05:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681179"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->2.8 on a Razer Diamondback with the mouse at factory settings.

It might seem low but I've been getting some great point-blank twitch headshots with the sniper when I have the guts to stand my ground. It also works great for the scattergun, rocket launcher and the grenade launcher.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I use the Razer Deathadder. It's a nice mouse. It skips for me though... but that's just because my computer needs more RAM! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

I actually also just started trying to play without mouse acceleration when I got my Deathadder... I liked using mouse acceleration.. I was good at it.

Kouji_San

More dpi isn't always better as it depends on the sensor and wel all know that laser mice are still in their infancy where optical mice are mature and much more stable. Hence I'm sadened by the fact that the MX500 is no longer in production <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

The increase in USB frequency does help as the mouse is more responsive for twitch movement. I always use the middle (default windows+~7ingame) setting as it is the best for both type of aiming (sniping and twitching 180+ turns), well for me at least <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

Thansal

umm, 6.0, but I use a trackball <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> (logitech tracman to be precise).

I could go higher, but I find that I lose minor twitch if I go much higher, and I am used to it enough that I can do perfect 180s/360s/90s/what ever I need just by tossing the ball and stopping it when I need to <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

X_Stickman

Wouldn't the mousemat (or whatever surface you use) play a large role in what sensitivity you end up using?

Align

There is talk that the Pyro fix is about giving him his proper place on the scoreboard. I just hope this doesn't mean double points like Spy. Makes it hard to see how much of a CREDIT TO TEAM you really are.

TychoCelchuuu

<!--quoteo(post=1681203:date=Jun 15 2008, 04:07 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 15 2008, 04:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681203"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is talk that the Pyro fix is about giving him his proper place on the scoreboard. I just hope this doesn't mean double points like Spy. Makes it hard to see how much of a CREDIT TO TEAM you really are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, the simple answer is that ENGINEER is CREDIT TO TEAM, but really, checking the scoreboard often isn't necessary once you've played most of a round. You get a feeling for whoever is being the most helpful.

Align

...Which is why a double-points fix is no fix at all. And also why Spy is underpowered.

lolfighter

Don't worry, in the spy update he gets a knife that always backstabs from the front, instead of only half the time.

Crispy

They did buff the Spy recently by allowing him to take enemy teleports without giving off thw wrong team's colour trail.

Svenpa

<!--quoteo(post=1681227:date=Jun 16 2008, 01:26 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Jun 16 2008, 01:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681227"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't worry, in the spy update he gets a knife that always backstabs from the front, instead of only half the time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Nonono, he gets small baby spies he can put on the ground who automatically disguise as the baby version of enemy team members and runs around looking for them. Those who hesitate get axe stabbed <i>anywhere</i>. Like babblers, but less server-crashy.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681231:date=Jun 16 2008, 07:37 AM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Jun 16 2008, 07:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681231"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nonono, he gets small baby spies he can put on the ground who automatically disguise as the baby version of enemy team members and runs around looking for them. Those who hesitate get axe stabbed <i>anywhere</i>. Like babblers, but less server-crashy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe they'll put joints in his disguise kit so then if you do your taunt anyone around you gets passed a blunt and then will sit there staring at nothing while you stab them.

...

X_Stickman

<!--quoteo(post=1681231:date=Jun 16 2008, 12:37 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Jun 16 2008, 12:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681231"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nonono, he gets small baby spies he can put on the ground who automatically disguise as the baby version of enemy team members and runs around looking for them. Those who hesitate get axe stabbed <i>anywhere</i>. Like babblers, but less server-crashy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Enemy spy babies? The heavy would be in <i>heaven</i>. I include an image to demonstrate my point.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/X_Stickman/Stuff/heavyeatsbabies.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Svenpa

<!--quoteo(post=1681267:date=Jun 16 2008, 08:58 PM:name=X_Stickman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(X_Stickman @ Jun 16 2008, 08:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681267"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Enemy spy babies? The heavy would be in <i>heaven</i>. I include an image to demonstrate my point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

Zek

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Free Weekend Begins Friday on Steam

June 16, 2008 - Valve, creators of award-winning games and leading technologies, today announced a set of new releases for Team Fortress 2, the title named Multiplayer Game of the Year by PC Gamer and Gamespy.com.

<b><u>The main event of the week is the Pyro Update, which will be made available this Thursday and contains three unlockable new weapons for the Pyro plus 35 new achievements.</u></b> In addition, two user-created maps are included to highlight the great work being done in the community and distribute those works to all TF2 players..

Meanwhile as folks wait for the Pyro Update to be released, the latest in the "Meet the Team" video shorts, "Meet the Sniper," will be made available tomorrow (Tuesday, June 17) at 11 am PDT along with a web site dedicated to the Pyro update.

Finally, to give everyone a chance to try the new weapons and community maps, Valve will hold another Team Fortress 2 Free Weekend via Steam, a leading online platform for the delivery and management of PC games. The Free Weekend is scheduled to begin this Friday at 11 am PDT."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> It's the moment us dedicated Pyro fanboys have been waiting for! Somebody do me a favor and post the news here as soon as it's out, this is the only forum I can access at work <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

<!--quoteo(post=1681203:date=Jun 15 2008, 05:07 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 15 2008, 05:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681203"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is talk that the Pyro fix is about giving him his proper place on the scoreboard. I just hope this doesn't mean double points like Spy. Makes it hard to see how much of a CREDIT TO TEAM you really are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is a misconception. Robin Walker commented 5 months ago that they were planning on giving Pyros points for lighting people on fire. That never happened and there's been no mention of it since(it's a terrible idea that only masks the problem). Also, it was confirmed recently that the Pyro update would include a tweak to the flamethrower hit detection, among other things.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681275:date=Jun 16 2008, 04:42 PM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zek @ Jun 16 2008, 04:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681275"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> It's the moment us dedicated Pyro fanboys have been waiting for! Somebody do me a favor and post the news here as soon as it's out, this is the only forum I can access at work <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Where's your source? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

lolfighter

Those who never got the infernal medicine medic achievement, your hour is nigh.

Svenpa

<!--quoteo(post=1681276:date=Jun 16 2008, 10:50 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Jun 16 2008, 10:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681276"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Where's your source? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<a href="http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1932" target="_blank">http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1932</a>

Align

It's also on csnation.net, so pretty damn sure it's legit.

As for the two new maps, I'm convinced it's cp_redstone and cp_steel since they're the only ones with the right theme and enough polish to be released official-like, so check those out if you're curious.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1681279:date=Jun 16 2008, 05:10 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 16 2008, 05:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681279"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's also on csnation.net, so pretty damn sure it's legit.

As for the two new maps, I'm convinced it's cp_redstone and cp_steel since they're the only ones with the right theme and enough polish to be released official-like, so check those out if you're curious.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I really wasn't worried about its validity. I just wanted to see the actual articles because they might have pictures. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
I like it when people post their source as well as the info.

Crispy

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In addition, two user-created maps are included to highlight the great work being done in the community and distribute those works to all TF2 players.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The cynic in me wants to say this is because Valve need to make up for a lack of first-party TF2 maps and are doing this by endorsing third-party content instead of creating more maps themselves. But depending on which maps they chose, this is still unprecedented awesome for a developer and should give a massive boost to the TF2 mapping community.

/applause

TychoCelchuuu

<!--quoteo(post=1681298:date=Jun 17 2008, 04:58 AM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Jun 17 2008, 04:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681298"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The cynic in me wants to say this is because Valve need to make up for a lack of first-party TF2 maps and are doing this by endorsing third-party content instead of creating more maps themselves. But depending on which maps they chose, this is still unprecedented awesome for a developer and should give a massive boost to the TF2 mapping community.

/applause<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't go so far as saying it's "unprecedented" since even Valve has done it before but it's definitely awesome.