Lerk Bite Back!

freakofnature · November 2003

The latest beta has brought back lerk bite...unfortunately it replaced spikes. I've started a poll on my site, what does the NS community want to see happen with lerk?

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><a href='http://www.extremeapathy.com/modules.php?name=Surveys&pollID=4' target='_blank'>POLL</a></span>

Impy_The_Lerk · November 2003

would they please stop with the lerk meddling... at least consult lerk experts on what lerks should have...

bite/spore/umbra/primal (why again do lerks need primal?)

ugh.... dont get me wrong i like bite... but spikes are important 2...

cant u just go with all 3

EDIT: i think i was not quite awake when i wrote this, or on some kind of opiates (druggs)
I totaly retract it GOOOO LERKBITE!

Cartman2be · November 2003

bring back bite.. primal is useless is most circumstances

Nil_IQ · November 2003

Bite/spikes/umbra/spores

Maybe beef umbra up a bit so that it's justified as a 3 hive weapon.

This should stop the (justified) whining that marines don't have a counter to early lerk; if you don't have heavies by three hives you deserve to lose anyway.

Wow, I just had this strange notion of actually posting this in the S&I forums...

*edit* To actually answer the question; I think I prefer Bite/spore/umbra/primal to Spikes/spore/umbra/primal, but I still think my way is good <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> *edit*

Xiile · November 2003

Spikes/Bite/Spores/Umbra

freakofnature · November 2003

Originally it was bite/spike/umbra/spores. I think it should go back to that.

uranium_235 · November 2003

Bite/Spike/Spore/Umbra

Spore should be beefed up drastically (No more HA counter, that was a stupid-**** idea to begin with).

Lt_Hendrickson · November 2003

As much as bite kicks ****, theres one problem, lerks are slow as hell now and most peeps can down a lerk pretty fast up close. I would rather keep my ranged weoponry, (ok so i still have a fun habit of perching on rines while spiking them)with the current flight speed.

Also just take umbra out cause i swear to the gods of ns umbra doesnt stop ANY bullets AT ALL.

NEVER EVER UNDERESTIMATE THE DESTRUCTIVE POWER OF PRIMAL SCREAM. OMg think of this now, focus + primal scream uber SUPER OMEGA DAMAGE.

My most prefered order is bite, spike, umbra, primal scream. godd am i hate spore. but god dam their deadly. but god dam i still hate em.

Impy_The_Lerk · November 2003

why they ever feel they needed to get rid of lerk bite in the first place, ill never know

now if only they can give lerks some of their armor back, like 100-60, or something

and actuly the best lerk idea i heard was from nadagast:

wich was to take umbra(as its so week allready) and spores wich are also much weakend

combine them into one attack umbra/spores, bolth are clouds bolth are projectiles...

this would replace slot 3 givent them

bite/spikes/sporeumbra/primal

and we could further improve the lerk with dropping primal all together

give them lerk flack spike 8spikes that spread out in a circle (much like a shotgun formation)

bite/spike/sporeumbra/flackspike

and lets fix the armor while were at it, 125 - 25 is rediculous

100 - 60 is more reasonable

GG good lerk <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>
-Impy

Lt_Hendrickson · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Impy_The_Lerk @ Nov 4 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> like 100-60, or something  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
for stock or with cara?

uranium_235 · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Hendrickson @ Nov 4 2003, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As much as bite kicks ****, theres one problem, lerks are slow as hell now and most peeps can down a lerk pretty fast up close. I would rather keep my ranged weoponry, (ok so i still have a fun habit of perching on rines while spiking them)with the current flight speed.

Also just take umbra out cause i swear to the gods of ns umbra doesnt stop ANY bullets AT ALL.

NEVER EVER UNDERESTIMATE THE DESTRUCTIVE POWER OF PRIMAL SCREAM. OMg think of this now, focus + primal scream uber SUPER OMEGA DAMAGE.

My most prefered order is bite, spike, umbra, primal scream. godd am i hate spore. but god dam their deadly. but god dam i still hate em.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I've only ever seen primal scream used for one thing, and that's opening the comm chair quicker.

TOOL · November 2003

NO HA COUNTER TO SPORE?<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> omg, that is stupid u will make the game pointless while five lerks spore the heavies will have to constantly weld rendering them useless...uranium not smart...

SpecIce · November 2003

Ya I mean shotguns down Skulks with no Prob think what will happens to lerks without spikes+ Lerks were a really good defense against shotgun rushes as well as support weapons if u guys have ever heard of working as a team. THe skulks attack and the Lerk Uses supporting fire from a distance. But I guess we need another Melee attack cause the fade it not enough of a hit and run creature and either is the skulk so instead of having a diverse weapon that 3 other speices have . We should take away a support tool and add in some crappy bite. I don't care if i havne't played it yet I rember 1.04 ya it was really need how u could take a bite and fly away but i think skulks can do the same thing

SpecIce · November 2003

Ya have you ever tried Lerk gangs? THey dominte. screw bite.

TOOL · November 2003

lerk bite....novel....fun....but spikes are needed....maybe ditch primal for this order: bite,spikes,spore,umbra

uranium_235 · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOOL @ Nov 4 2003, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> NO HA COUNTER TO SPORE?<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> omg, that is stupid u will make the game pointless while five lerks spore the heavies will have to constantly weld rendering them useless...uranium not smart...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Oh, but it IS smart that marines become 100% immune to a type of alien? What's he gonna do in 2.01? Umbra them to death? Scream and make them scared? I don't see the aliens getting 'kevlar laced carapace' making them invincible to shotguns (Cheap, early game weapons, just like spore)

Way back in the day of 1.04 everyone kept suggesting 'Gas masks' and 'HA invincible to spore', and if I remember right, EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS A STUPID IDEA. I still think it's a stupid idea, and if spore gets moved to hive 2 in lieu of spikes, it seriously needs to start hurting again.

Impy_The_Lerk · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Hendrickson @ Nov 4 2003, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Impy_The_Lerk @ Nov 4 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> like 100-60, or something </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
for stock or with cara?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
that would be stock,

thats the closest i figure to having the same amount of armor they used to have, with 1.04 style guns

that would be the armor boost they would need. lessend hp some to compensate

uranium_235 · November 2003

Oh yes, and one more thing with the HA spores: When an HA train comes, spikes take forever to kill a marine, spit won't do jack, and o chambers are useless. What's left? The lackluster time-waste acid-rocket? And spore which they're immune to.

TOOL · November 2003

lerk gangs with spikes own HA's in large rooms....in NO CASE should lerks own a buncha heavy armors with spores....that would be too easy of a counter....you already have stomp and devour what the hell more do you want.....dude that's why they changed it in the first place...i think your wrong and guess what the rest of the NS team thinks ur wrong too that's why they changed it in the first place...ur a couple of patches behind buddy

uranium_235 · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOOL @ Nov 4 2003, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> lerk gangs with spikes own HA's in large rooms....in NO CASE should lerks own a buncha heavy armors with spores....that would be too easy of a counter....you already have stomp and devour what the hell more do you want.....dude that's why they changed it in the first place...i think your wrong and guess what the rest of the NS team thinks ur wrong too that's why they changed it in the first place...ur a couple of patches behind buddy </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
And I think 'ur' grammar is a couple grades short High School.

Anyway, I'm just going to keep pointing to shotgun and rubbing that in the face of your 'too easy to counter' crap. The shotgun is 10 res and kills in onos in less then a clip. Spores cost 3x as much and the lerk is about 10x weaker then a marine.

sloe · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Nov 4 2003, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh yes, and one more thing with the HA spores: When an HA train comes, spikes take forever to kill a marine, spit won't do jack, and o chambers are useless. What's left? The lackluster time-waste acid-rocket? And spore which they're immune to.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
bitegun and some bs

TOOL · November 2003

I'll keep going back to stomp....look how are shotgunners gona take you down if you stomp and there in light armor.....this all goes back to 6v6 balance for me....look at what is happening in CAL everything is a alien alien tie just go look for urself on the records and standings....do you really think aliens need something else to stop HA??

uranium_235 · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOOL @ Nov 4 2003, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'll keep going back to stomp....look how are shotgunners gona take you down if you stomp and there in light armor.....this all goes back to 6v6 balance for me....look at what is happening in CAL everything is a alien alien tie just go look for urself on the records and standings....do you really think aliens need something else to stop HA?? </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
oohh that's right, I keep forgetting about the huge, weak, slow, 160 res counter. Let's just pretend that these HA marines have HMGs.

Do you know how quickly an onos dies to HMGs? Even with stomp, it takes less then a couple seconds.

How do I know? I fell out of a vent, right in front of an onos, in HA with an HMG. Alone. I gunned that puppy down. I had to be about 5' away from him. Furthermore, stomp is A) Jumpable, B) Height-restricted. Just find a railing to jump on and you're pretty much safe from stomp. Finally, the reason stomp ownes marines is because they like traveling in neat little lines, making one stomp neutralize them all. I'm sorry you suck at playing a marine, but my god, learn some skill before you come telling <b>me</b> of all people that I don't know how to play.

Oh let's look at the number of things marines have to counter structures:

O chamber - LMGs just need to hide behind an obstacle and can gun it down without being hit. Shotguns can down the O chamber before it can fire more then a few spikes. Grenade launcher. SIEGE.

Hive - Shotguns, grenade launcher, siege.

Onos - Shotgun, grenade launcher, HMG, jetpack.

Fade - Shotgun, grenade launcher, HMG.

Lerk - Pistol, LMG, grenade launcher, HA.

Skulk / Gorge - Pistol, Shotgun, LMG, anything really.

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Huh, seems to me that marines have MORE then a couple counters to every alien. Hmm it looks to me that some weapons actually perform MULTIPLE COUNTERS.

Impy_The_Lerk · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOOL @ Nov 4 2003, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'll keep going back to stomp....look how are shotgunners gona take you down if you stomp and there in light armor.....this all goes back to 6v6 balance for me....look at what is happening in CAL everything is a alien alien tie just go look for urself on the records and standings....do you really think aliens need something else to stop HA??  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
No offence tool, but the game isnt unballenced because of onos....

in a 6vs6 scrim rairly will you see an onos.

its all fade

scrim == go fade if your fades die marines win, if your fades live to kill their base, aliens win....

only thing is more often then not aliens have more fades on the way then marines can get jetpacks.

you will rairly see HA, or Onos in a scrim, if you do... a more tallented clan could just own them all anyway

TOOL · November 2003

I'm not even gonna say much because this is gonna go nowhere....look at the standings...and you honestly tell me aliens need more empowerment...if you do your crazy aliens are winning constantly....Also tell me why they made HA's spore proof to begin with....are you saying the NS team was wrong and they didn't make a better decision then you would have?

night_monk3y · November 2003

Well I dont think we should make the rines any weaker than they already are. HA's can still be killed by a good lerk using umbra + spikes as well as a few skulks. I think its a good idea to make the Lerk a ranged attack, so my opinion is 1) bite (fairly weak, 50ish) 2) spikes 3) umbra/spores (good idea on that one) 4) shotgun spikes (nother good one), and keep the lerks armor where it is, as well as speed. I can do fairly well close up with just spikes, if I have some backup anyway.

Trevelyan · November 2003

They just ruined the Lerk....

If you want hit and run bites... go frekin skulk or fade... jesus, like we need another bite weapon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Oh, and the "leetxors" lerks that are drooling over the lerkbite, i will see you splattered on the end of my shotgun...

Torgo · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Nov 4 2003, 04:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> They just ruined the Lerk....

If you want hit and run bites... go frekin skulk or fade... jesus, like we need another bite weapon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Oh, and the "leetxors" lerks that are drooling over lerks, i will see you splattered on the end of my shotgun...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Psst...fades don't bite.

Trevelyan · November 2003

Oh wait... thats right, they do 5 damage more and have a shorter range <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Diablus · November 2003

orrr how about you all play on tactical killnig academy server where lerk does have its bite along with spikes, spores umbra and pS

Trevelyan · November 2003

YES! maybe that server will switch the weapon rotation back to 2.0X...

Then again thats impossible if they totally took out spores (unlikely)

Lerk Bite Back!

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