Someone asked about the scripts.. we had a little disagreement about them before match since EU doesnt generally do any scripts, most of them were taken out and hive health was left as compromise. So its a server-side script.
IMO someone should have locked this thread 6 pages ago, lol. Before the match the EU team connected most european clans in a way which hadnt really been seen due to all arguments about rules and whatnot. Well, maybe it connected EU, but it definetely didnt connect EU and USA, which is the exact opposite of the whole...idea...point....err...yea, you get the drill.
Once more: <b><u><i><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>This was just one match</span></i></u></b>. We will play more matches.
-Tark (who found them neat buttons to change text size, weee)
I really enjoyed this match. Even though lots of things went wrong (bot got messed up, not very clear voices through shoutcast, hltv failing) it was quite enjoyable. Particularly funny was that the shoutcasters kept wondering why euro support was smaller than US support. It was 4 AM then <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
We'll see what happens next time, I'm pretty sure USA can do better, but for the moment HURRAH EUROS!
Hi, I was the EU spectator from warservers (we ran the EU server), and was also the one who messed up the HLTV...sorry about that!
First i made the server 17 players, which didnt leave a slot for the hltv proxy (hence first server reboot)...then the damn thing just wouldnt connect.
Oh well, got it working much better now for future TeamEU matches, but really 1.1 will be the major fix for HLTV.
WarServers will be hosting and giving coverage of future TeamEU matches (213.160.110.20:27020 will no doubt host future TeamEU matches, and will have a permenent running HLTV Proxy)
Oh, and sorry to TeamEU for scaring them with the "I know what TeamEU will try, be interesting to see if it works" gorge rush comment...lucky Flayra reminded me alltalk was on (I wouldnt have divulged tactics anyway guys...honest....)
Hahahahhaahahaha. Politics in video games. Man...who would have ever thought.
PS. I hate everyone. Old people, childern, westerns, easterns, small mammals..ect..ect. You all feel better now?
Ooooo, time to insight more, sooooooo every, educated opinions of players of a halflife mod. Americans are arrogant, being on top does that to people, we hate to lose and are more often than note, full of poop. We wont be on top forever....I hear Cuba is making a comeback.
Europeans are "silly". I wish I could trample people over a soccer game....darn...I am sooo moving to Europe.
Both are actually "human beings"..or so I hear. BEWARE THESE FOUL FOUL CREATURES!!!.
<!--QuoteBegin--Corrado+Jun 10 2003, 02:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Jun 10 2003, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--killswitch1968+Jun 9 2003, 11:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (killswitch1968 @ Jun 9 2003, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> About this whole thread. HamBown hasn't really been making excuses. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So he definately did not say "its strange that noone's noticed that the US teams really clearly outplayed the euro team.". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not an excuse it's an opinion. And to some degree he is correct for some of the reasons he listed. He's probably going a bit overboard but he did have one very good idea. The clans shoudl be playing clans. This is more like an NBA All-star where no one really cares. I completly agree with him there.
yeah EU support was much less important than US support, but it WAS 2am-4am (depending time zone) over here, not counting we have our lovely quakenet and most people didn't bother being on two networks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hmmm this really is an intresting thread, and shows a lot about how americans view themselves. I think they need to read over the threads of korea and Nz to see people from those countries respond to defeat.
As far as who's continent is better at ns, Hawbown is right that the eu clans have not performed well against any top US clan. I think he may be refering in particular to the top eu clan of the day (nG or something like that) vs sYn, where sYn humiliates them 4-0.
<!--QuoteBegin--DG-Dracuss+Jun 10 2003, 11:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DG-Dracuss @ Jun 10 2003, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As far as who's continent is better at ns, Hawbown is right that the eu clans have not performed well against any top US clan. I think he may be refering in particular to the top eu clan of the day (nG or something like that) vs sYn, where sYn humiliates them 4-0. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> maybee part of why this thread is because some people think like that. sYn DEFEATED nG 4-0 in a fair match, they were the better team. i dont think humiliated is the right word to describe a compotition and 1 team comes out the winner and the other the looser. maybee some of you who are posting all the flames are feeling 'humiliated' that EU defeated US team, it shouldnt be like that, Teameu played US and won fairly, no1 was 'humiliated' in the match.
USA gorges did very badly. IN 1.04 your supposed to hide IN the res node while yoru buiding it. IF you hear marines coming your supposed to hide IN the res node. There are soo many times i saw a gorge get raped beacause he did not do this. Hambone is one for example. every time he died was because he didnt hide in the res node.
PROPS TO THE UE TEAM!!! you smeared usa good. Dont get me wrong i love america but you guys just out classed U.S.
I could seriously tie the reason the US lost to the fact that they did not hide their gorges in the res nodes. I dont know if it has been fixed in 1.1 but in 1.04 this is a very vital strategy to the survival of your gorges.
Of course you stop building! like in demo 4 when hambown was in fusion the marines charged in. He shoudl of stayed hiddin in the res node till the marine started knifing it, then you pop a few spit in his face while he knifes he would have died in just 3 spits.
Love to watch it, but can't get it to load. Downloaded GeekPlay 6.0 from a mirror site and installed it. When I run it with one of the NS match demo files I get a message indicating it can't find the geekplay.dem. I've set the path to my cstrike.exe as per the meagre instructions on the geekplay website. Not much help in the forums there. I'm running Win98SE. Sorry to be so lame about this, but if anyone can offer some advice, it might help me to watch some quality TV for a change -- now and in the future.
at the bottem there is a browse button. click it and then go find your hl.exe file and click that. THEN at the top there is a browse button click that and find the replay click that and thien click play.
No offense to the US players, and I don't want to make any enemies....
But....
Some of you guys are the whiniest, sorest losers I have ever seen.
Go look in the NZ and Korea threads. Did they make it turn into a 14 page thread, explaining exactly why they lost, and complaining like you guys were? No. Everyone was getting all enthusiastic and having a grand time untill the U.S. lost. Because of this, the stigma in this thread is horrible. I could understand this comming from some 13 year old n00bs, but from the top players in the United States? What in the hell?
The Europeans came in, from seperate countries, meaning they have to not only use a secondary language to communicate, but also adjust to the tendancies of the seperate nations, which I have noticed vary largely, after viewing the demos.
The EU guys barely talked at all, yet somehow they beat you. Don't even start giving me your **** excuses, because these guys had it 10 times worse than you did.
Now, on to the argument that the U.S. team played better. Firstly off, the only game in which I noticed they were not going for res at all was the game that they lost. Both games as marine, they dominated the map, and one game as alien, they got some res, but really didn't need to which I will adress in the next paragraph.
When they rushed you, they did it because after view other games and doing some nice scouting, they realized that you don't get lots of defense. It doesn't matter how many res nodes you have, because if they can take your base before you can kill them, that is all that matters. Secondly, that same strategy nearly worked twice. To me, after viewing the demos that Flayra recorded, it appears to me that not only did they know exactly what they were doing, but outplayed you on every single game except for the one they lost.
If that is not enough, then whatever they did, it still worked. Perhaps if your strategies aren't working, you should try adopting their's?
View the demos Flayra got, you'll see that the Euros beat you in every aspect when they did. Flayra himself, who was rooting for Team US, continuously commented on the superior strategy which Team EU was putting forth, and as someone else pointed out, said "No more picking on Team EU, these guys are good.".
If the game creator himself is not enough to warrant that they beat you utterly, then I don't know what in the **** is.
So, to summarize... they had to overcome more difficulties than you and played many times better than Team U.S. did. I don't see how in the **** you have any right to complain or challenge their win, especially when the other two teams that Team US has faced did not complain a single bit. So quite blatantly shut up and accept a loss, it's not like you can't rematch them down the road later on.
Just for general information, I live in the United States.
Very well stated. I felt disappointed when I saw this thread had grown so much - I felt excited at first, thinking that we would get 14 pages of tactic-swapping, discussions, etc. not what we actually have in this thread.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The EU guys barely talked at all, yet somehow they beat you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just letting you know mate, Euro ns players never shut up <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
In most games, such as this one, external programs are used, Ventrilo being the one of choice.
<!--QuoteBegin--Corrado+Jun 10 2003, 02:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Jun 10 2003, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The EU guys barely talked at all, yet somehow they beat you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just letting you know mate, Euro ns players never shut up <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
In most games, such as this one, external programs are used, Ventrilo being the one of choice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For a second there I though "elite" h4x when watching those demo's and they NEVER talked...
Rofl it's good to know that they used teamwork, and that they were not some kind of telepathic zombies.
Not to sound queer or anything, but you've warmed an old players heart. I used to play in the best EU QW Teamfortress clan(We all agreed on it anyway.). After we quit playing, and recently when I started playing online games again, I havent found any cool online fps games with a good scene around it. CS was new for me for 6 months ffs, and you can all imagnine the kind of people you meet there.(12 year olds asking you to join your clan cause 'you rox0r!!1') Looks like there might be some spirit here, I guess I'll have to really start playing NS.
End of nostalgic drivel *\
That being said, I have'nt even watched the videos yet, but I think I can remember enough of the old debates on US vs. EU games to contribute;
The EU generally have better tactics than the US. Not to mention more skilled individual players.
And I thought I'd end discussing in this thread, lol.
Anyway, Us (EU team) used Ventrilo all along, a very clear voice program. With our differences in skills English-wise it would be suicide to try and understand eachother via HL voice comms.
And we do talk. I talk all along from beginning to end, I hold everyones hand real tightly when I command.. both teams. Its both fun for the players and rewarding for meh. So when I listen to US talking in demos I'd rather say communication and cordination is our strong side, not the weak one.
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IMO someone should have locked this thread 6 pages ago, lol. Before the match the EU team connected most european clans in a way which hadnt really been seen due to all arguments about rules and whatnot. Well, maybe it connected EU, but it definetely didnt connect EU and USA, which is the exact opposite of the whole...idea...point....err...yea, you get the drill.
Once more: <b><u><i><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>This was just one match</span></i></u></b>. We will play more matches.
-Tark (who found them neat buttons to change text size, weee)
By the way, that gorge rush was really good on your part.
Even though lots of things went wrong (bot got messed up, not very clear voices through shoutcast, hltv failing) it was quite enjoyable. Particularly funny was that the shoutcasters kept wondering why euro support was smaller than US support. It was 4 AM then <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
We'll see what happens next time, I'm pretty sure USA can do better, but for the moment HURRAH EUROS!
I was the EU spectator from warservers (we ran the EU server), and was also the one who messed up the HLTV...sorry about that!
First i made the server 17 players, which didnt leave a slot for the hltv proxy (hence first server reboot)...then the damn thing just wouldnt connect.
Oh well, got it working much better now for future TeamEU matches, but really 1.1 will be the major fix for HLTV.
WarServers will be hosting and giving coverage of future TeamEU matches (213.160.110.20:27020 will no doubt host future TeamEU matches, and will have a permenent running HLTV Proxy)
Oh, and sorry to TeamEU for scaring them with the "I know what TeamEU will try, be interesting to see if it works" gorge rush comment...lucky Flayra reminded me alltalk was on (I wouldnt have divulged tactics anyway guys...honest....)
Cant wait to see more!
PS. I hate everyone. Old people, childern, westerns, easterns, small mammals..ect..ect. You all feel better now?
Ooooo, time to insight more, sooooooo every, educated opinions of players of a halflife mod.
Americans are arrogant, being on top does that to people, we hate to lose and are more often than note, full of poop. We wont be on top forever....I hear Cuba is making a comeback.
Europeans are "silly". I wish I could trample people over a soccer game....darn...I am sooo moving to Europe.
Both are actually "human beings"..or so I hear.
BEWARE THESE FOUL FOUL CREATURES!!!.
So he definately did not say "its strange that noone's noticed that the US teams really clearly outplayed the euro team.". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not an excuse it's an opinion. And to some degree he is correct for some of the reasons he listed. He's probably going a bit overboard but he did have one very good idea. The clans shoudl be playing clans. This is more like an NBA All-star where no one really cares. I completly agree with him there.
I was there tho *waves europe flag*
maybee part of why this thread is because some people think like that. sYn DEFEATED nG 4-0 in a fair match, they were the better team. i dont think humiliated is the right word to describe a compotition and 1 team comes out the winner and the other the looser. maybee some of you who are posting all the flames are feeling 'humiliated' that EU defeated US team, it shouldnt be like that, Teameu played US and won fairly, no1 was 'humiliated' in the match.
PROPS TO THE UE TEAM!!! you smeared usa good. Dont get me wrong i love america but you guys just out classed U.S.
I could seriously tie the reason the US lost to the fact that they did not hide their gorges in the res nodes.
I dont know if it has been fixed in 1.1 but in 1.04 this is a very vital strategy to the survival of your gorges.
edit: or maybe it was demo 3?
Marine does not die in three spits.
I do give medspam if my marine is fighting a gorge.
At the same time the gorge hears the marine the marine hears the building sound of gorge.
Even if standing still, for some reason gorge lets out sounds. Also, unbuilt ress tower refers to a gorge close by.
Not much of a difference eh? Heheheheh..
-Tark
But....
Some of you guys are the whiniest, sorest losers I have ever seen.
Go look in the NZ and Korea threads. Did they make it turn into a 14 page thread, explaining exactly why they lost, and complaining like you guys were? No. Everyone was getting all enthusiastic and having a grand time untill the U.S. lost. Because of this, the stigma in this thread is horrible. I could understand this comming from some 13 year old n00bs, but from the top players in the United States? What in the hell?
The Europeans came in, from seperate countries, meaning they have to not only use a secondary language to communicate, but also adjust to the tendancies of the seperate nations, which I have noticed vary largely, after viewing the demos.
The EU guys barely talked at all, yet somehow they beat you. Don't even start giving me your **** excuses, because these guys had it 10 times worse than you did.
Now, on to the argument that the U.S. team played better. Firstly off, the only game in which I noticed they were not going for res at all was the game that they lost. Both games as marine, they dominated the map, and one game as alien, they got some res, but really didn't need to which I will adress in the next paragraph.
When they rushed you, they did it because after view other games and doing some nice scouting, they realized that you don't get lots of defense. It doesn't matter how many res nodes you have, because if they can take your base before you can kill them, that is all that matters. Secondly, that same strategy nearly worked twice. To me, after viewing the demos that Flayra recorded, it appears to me that not only did they know exactly what they were doing, but outplayed you on every single game except for the one they lost.
If that is not enough, then whatever they did, it still worked. Perhaps if your strategies aren't working, you should try adopting their's?
View the demos Flayra got, you'll see that the Euros beat you in every aspect when they did. Flayra himself, who was rooting for Team US, continuously commented on the superior strategy which Team EU was putting forth, and as someone else pointed out, said "No more picking on Team EU, these guys are good.".
If the game creator himself is not enough to warrant that they beat you utterly, then I don't know what in the **** is.
So, to summarize... they had to overcome more difficulties than you and played many times better than Team U.S. did. I don't see how in the **** you have any right to complain or challenge their win, especially when the other two teams that Team US has faced did not complain a single bit. So quite blatantly shut up and accept a loss, it's not like you can't rematch them down the road later on.
Just for general information, I live in the United States.
Just letting you know mate, Euro ns players never shut up <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
In most games, such as this one, external programs are used, Ventrilo being the one of choice.
True, I give you that.
Just letting you know mate, Euro ns players never shut up <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
In most games, such as this one, external programs are used, Ventrilo being the one of choice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
For a second there I though "elite" h4x when watching those demo's and they NEVER talked...
Rofl it's good to know that they used teamwork, and that they were not some kind of telepathic zombies.
Not to sound queer or anything, but you've warmed an old players heart.
I used to play in the best EU QW Teamfortress clan(We all agreed on it anyway.). After we quit playing, and recently when I started playing online games again, I havent found any cool online fps games with a good scene around it. CS was new for me for 6 months ffs, and you can all imagnine the kind of people you meet there.(12 year olds asking you to join your clan cause 'you rox0r!!1')
Looks like there might be some spirit here, I guess I'll have to really start playing NS.
End of nostalgic drivel *\
That being said, I have'nt even watched the videos yet, but I think I can remember enough of the old debates on US vs. EU games to contribute;
The EU generally have better tactics than the US. Not to mention more skilled individual players.
Heh heh.
Carry on.
Anyway, Us (EU team) used Ventrilo all along, a very clear voice program. With our differences in skills English-wise it would be suicide to try and understand eachother via HL voice comms.
And we do talk. I talk all along from beginning to end, I hold everyones hand real tightly when I command.. both teams. Its both fun for the players and rewarding for meh. So when I listen to US talking in demos I'd rather say communication and cordination is our strong side, not the weak one.
-Tark (teh comm of team EU)