Lack of basic survival tool and how to make it not annoying
Mr_Endar
Join Date: 2016-03-05 Member: 213859Members
Join Date: 2016-03-05 Member: 213859Members
I'm talking about the gun of course.
And its not the lack of the deadly weapon that can be manufactured from the beginning that is bad. (btw should be very easy given the tech shown in the game)
It is the lack of explanation why we can't do so.
It just breaks the immersion, it is too illogical.
So I propose simple 1 man-hour fix:
Make a section "deadly weapons" in fabricator console, but if the player tries to activate it the AI voice says that manufacturing of weapons can be authorized only by the Aurora's captain (or in case the player is the captain - by some special officer who definitely has not survived the crash - or authorization by some supreme command is required - anything is good).
Its just does not feel right when we have magic fabricator that can do anything but can't make something as simple as pneumatic needle gun.
And for such advanced civilization it should not be hard to make a hand-held x-ray ray gun (for some particular wavelength the water is transparent while living beings are not).
I'm not asking for deadly raygun, I'm asking for logical in-game explanation why I can't make it
And its not the lack of the deadly weapon that can be manufactured from the beginning that is bad. (btw should be very easy given the tech shown in the game)
It is the lack of explanation why we can't do so.
It just breaks the immersion, it is too illogical.
So I propose simple 1 man-hour fix:
Make a section "deadly weapons" in fabricator console, but if the player tries to activate it the AI voice says that manufacturing of weapons can be authorized only by the Aurora's captain (or in case the player is the captain - by some special officer who definitely has not survived the crash - or authorization by some supreme command is required - anything is good).
Its just does not feel right when we have magic fabricator that can do anything but can't make something as simple as pneumatic needle gun.
And for such advanced civilization it should not be hard to make a hand-held x-ray ray gun (for some particular wavelength the water is transparent while living beings are not).
I'm not asking for deadly raygun, I'm asking for logical in-game explanation why I can't make it
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This could be interpreted as meaning that certain items, such as weapons, have not been selected for the current situation, and thus you cannot obtain them.
The first thing you should do if you are lost in a forest is to make a fire to scare away the predators and try to make a spear that will give you a fighting chance against the predators (quite small though). Without fire and a weapon a human is just a bag of free food for an animal. Animal could kill you because its hungry, because it doesn't like an intruder in its territory or just because killing is fun. That's the Nature's way.
I understand and agree that gameplay wise player should not have deadly weapons, because that would quickly make the game boring.
However we need a direct and visible and logical explanation why can't fabricate a weapon. That would eliminate the issue of lethal weapons.
All I ask for is permanently unavailable section of fabricator menu and a simple voiceover. That should cost next to nothing to implement.
PS. I apologize for grammar mistakes - English is not my first language
You might consider reading the ENTIRE post and at least skimming the replys....
+1 for spear fishing ( pipe + knife + creepvine = spear )
...also may deter medium sized preditors who currently are geared to fight to the death.
This makes sense to me. The Stalker can be a real pain when you are just starting a Hardcore game.
The Stalker are every where, and eat more fish then I do. lol I avoid them like the plague.
Have you read the threads title and at least the second line?
There have to be in-game logical explanation why is it so.
Check this out:
This is a survival kit from Soyuz landing capsule.
And this is the one from the Apollo. It doesn't have a gun in it because Apollo capsule could not survive landing on the land (unlike the Soyuz that lands on the land). But they still included the machete.
Looks familiar?)
I don't see why safety protocols could be changed in the future.
Not really.
E.g. my friend works at the pipeline construction and they have rifles with them to protect themselves from the bears, in case they fail to scare them away by smoke torches. Actually about 1 month ago their crew was attacked by the hungry bear. They had to hide inside the pipe where the bear could not get them until the bear went away (the gun was in the truck and the bear appeared between the workers and the truck).
Somebody is going to be fired for violation of safety procedures.
Good point. However I think that some sort of mythology about the game can be good. I remember long time ago when we were playing Morrowind there were a lot of rumors about the things that actually were not existing in the game (internet was quite slow back and there were no youtube then so rumors can't be checked that easily) and it was really fun=)
PS. In real life it is impossible to catch a fish with the bare hand. Fish in the water are very quick and grace and slimy. Spear/ harpoon gun for fishing would have made a lot of sense.
But gameplay-wise it could be an unnecessary complication.
Maybe we can have harpoon gun to be able to hunt stalkers later in the game? Shark steak is quite tasty (I wish they were growing sharks in captivity so we could eat shark meet without feeling guilty about it)
Seriously.
You are the 2-nd forum member who is making a post in this thread without reading the topic name let alone the first post (or any other post in the thread)
Read again the first post, he's not asking for guns in the game, but for an in-game explanation of the lack of guns among the Aurora's standard survival equipment.
@Mr_Endar
What would be logical to have in the escape pod is at least a knife. But still back on guns, frankly I can only see as an explanation that the colonial scientists did not think them useful enough against the planet's creatures, following a study of the fauna prior to the ship's landing. There's still the explanation of the Aurora not being well enough prepared for the mission. Actually, the escape pod is missing a few items from its standard inventory list, including a scanner and a flashlight.
I still prefer explanation that weapon manufacturing is banned by safety regulations and can be authorized only by captain - who is dead and obviously can't do that. Feels more natural to me)
Yes, but we have a fabricator that can make this things on demand from scrap or raw materials.
That's why it is so annoying - you have the device that can manufacture everything - including other manufacturing devices with greater capabilities - but you can't make good reliable weapon while the environment has tones of predators that will kill you on sight.
"Due to legislation XYZ1234 (space protocol abcd38503, blah blah blah, take your pick) no fabricator may be programmed to produce weapons of lethal intent."
That would make some sense, but it seems to me that their are a lot of lethal tools that, while very useful in out current situation, are not exactly the makings of an insurrection. A spear gun for example, would be pretty useless for fighting people with any sort of equipment at all. Granted, sometimes laws are dumb like that.
For instance, many laws regarding hobby aircraft in the United States treat a 1/2 pound foam airplane and a 3 meter rocket exactly the same.
Well we don't know how the fabricator works)
I wonder though why does it needs coral to make a chip? Afaik calcium is not used in electronics.
PS. I have been thinking a lot how the fabricator works. It have to perform 4 separate functions:
1) disassemble objects that you put in it (crush mechanically, melt, dissolve in acid, etc.);
2) reduce oxides of elements to get metals/non-metals required object fabrication (most likely through electrolysis, seems the most universal way to me);
3) separate and store the useful metals/compound you get during step 2 (and dump the rest);
4) 3d print an object using the stuff you have created during step 3 with extreme speed and precision without source wire or dust filler.
And fit all of these into small box. Marvelous device.
That seems unlikely. If we assume that in this universe humans are part of a larger interstellar community of species, then that is not at all a secure position to be in. Unless the fundemental nature of humans has changed, then there would still be lethal weapons. Pacifism only works if everyone is a pacifist- and that will never be the case.
I would buy that, or at least that they were carrying few enough weapons that they could all have been totally destroyed in the crash. However, it still seems to me that anyone with any sense would have programmed a survival fabricator with SOME form of lethal gun. Weather you are stranded on land or in the sea, you survival chances immediately go way up if you can shoot something for food or defense.
Perhaps who or whatever shot down the Aurora corrupted the fabricator database for weaponry? That would of course depend a lot on the story when it comes out, but it would make sense.
I can't think of a catastrophic event that would damage a hard drive the way that it will destroy one and only one file in it and let the rest intact)
Humans in Star Track TNG are the absolute pacifist, but nevertheless they have a huge fleet armed to the teeth.
I would gladly switch from eating beef/pork/etc. to the same quality meat grown in a bioreactor (I don't like idea of killing animals, but we have no other options).
And it doesn't make me a pacifist.
So the "whoever shot down the aurora deleted our guns" thing is probably pretty far fetched.
That being said, would a spear-gun blueprint be a logical thing to have on a spaceship? About as logical as a reinforced skin diving suit, I guess...
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That's not going to have very good range underwater.
which would also explain why you need to scan things instead of it coming with the PDA.