Remove Support for D3D9
Rainstorm
Montreal (Quebec) Join Date: 2015-12-15 Member: 210003Members
Montreal (Quebec) Join Date: 2015-12-15 Member: 210003Members
I am in no way a computer wiz and seeing this card scared me a little. After the H2O update it is in my comprehension that the -force-d3d9 neat little trick is the reason that i can continue to play this game. does this mean that once this is removed i will not be able to play the game anymore?
for those wondering what i am referring to, this is the card i found on Trello boards: Remove support for D3D9
for those wondering what i am referring to, this is the card i found on Trello boards: Remove support for D3D9
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Seriously not everyone has the money to buy new hardware this move if carried out will destroy my ability to play this game and make my investment in it a waste of time.
The reason we're considering removing D3D9 support is that it adds extra support work for us and prevents us from including features and optimizations that would make the game better on D3D11. Although it's not explicitly stated, a machine that can only run D3D9 is below the minimum system requirements. You'd have to either be running Windows XP or using a graphics card which is less powerful than the Intel HD 4600. Basically your system would have to be almost 10 years old, and it's unlikely you'd be able to play the game at any acceptable frame rate.
Removing D3D9 support isn't imminent. We have the data from the Steam Hardware survey (3.26% of all Steam users are D3D9 only), but we'll also conduct our own survey of Subnautica players before we take any action to make sure this isn't affecting our players. I'd be interested to hear more from players who are playing the game on machines that only have D3D9 capabilities.
I'm sure this will be the last time I ever buy something early access it never occurred to me that during development the game would go from working to not working on my hardware
But thinking on it its pretty logical that new games requires more powerful cards, specially this game being so beautiful visually. Wer old coots that needs to get younger if we wanna be able to play in the kid's playgrounds
@Max on my videocard box it does say Full DirectX 11 support. Technically then it seems i could play games that uses that but visibly with my recent problems running the game without the -force-d3d9 thing it looks like i cant, i am a bit confused ...
It's down to the HD5xxx series from ATI that supports DX11 and below, older than the 5000 series and you will lack support for DX11
I'm running a HD5870 and have no issues in DX11 games
Either way if this happens I would need to spend over £200 to be able to play the game again and that's simply something I cannot afford, buying the game itself was a stretch never mind upgrading my hardware, so I know this sounds a bit ranty but this news has totally crushed me.
Seems to be an issue with AMD/Ati cards, which can be fixed for now by using that -force-d3d9 command line. They made a booboo
However that doesn't mean by removing support for DX9, we (down to HD5000 series), cannot play the game anymore as we clearly have support for DX11. the commandline is just a temporary fix when using the experimental branch. @Max said he's working on a fix
im relieved to hear this. looks like youll be good also taiphoz
Of course this is a moot point if there is a native linux version coming soon.
As I mentioned before, this is not an imminent change and it's something we'll gather more information about before doing. If there's a reason why our customers need D3D9 we'll keep it. What operating system are you using? If you are using Windows Vista, then you need a free update from Microsoft to unlock D3D11 capabilities.
The -force-opengl should be working, we use it frequently to help test OSX (since we don't have many OSX playtesters).
I found this on the Unity3D forum...
[-force-opengl][5.2] Cant load shaders
Apparently since Unity 5.2 OpenGL isn't supported by default... it would need to be re-enabled.
There's more about this on the other thread.
http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/138018/subnautica-on-linux-via-wine
Well I don't have a Radeon gpu, but my "high-end calculator" can only run Subnautica via the -force-d3d9 command since the new graphics.
I know I don't meet the minimum req. I have a Nvidia GT 240M which doesn't support DX11 but i can play and enjoy the game so far.
What i can't understand is why is either DX9 or DX11 options, What happened to DX10? Sorry I don't know much about that stuff..
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=403087864
Thanks!
I'm not completely sure yet why -force-d3d9 is helping some people play the game, but I would say that's completely separate from any discussion of a long term plan to remove D3D9 support. Basically if adding that to your command line changes anything, that means that the engine is detecting your systems is D3D11 capable and using that by default. Once we figure out and address the compatibility issue introduced with the H2.0 update that should not be necessary.
I agree with Rainstorm you guys are awesome.
here are my laptop specs:
Intel HD Graphics 3000
Intel Core i7 2670QM
4GB RAM
465 GB Storage
After implementing the d3d9 the game ran at quite high settings with minimal lag on the following PC:
Intel Duo Core E8400
Radeon HD 4650 1 Giga
6 gigs RAM
Lowering resolution helps but mostly disabling bloom via the F3 button menu - please please don't do away with the tweaking options - I was able to put the textures to the maximum and the game runs pretty smoothly even at max resolution, and that's a pretty rubbish GPU we're talking about.
Anyway I love this game, great work on keeping system demands relatively low. Please keep the option to tweak available as it means widening the pool of potential customers (especially in Southern Europe where people have older PCs as a rule)
Congratulations for the great effort, I don't like many games but this one rules!
I did notice this as well on my HD5870 1Gb, however it crashed after 10-15 seconds ingame. BUT it now hard crashes my entire PC locking up completely (GPU), forcing me to do a reset
The thing I'm really trying to understand is whether or not this would actually cut out any part of our community. For example, your card the HD6850 definitely is capable of running DX11 as long as you're not using Windows XP. I have a HD6850 in my computer right now.
I concur! It's not crashing, that's awesome @Max!
Hmm, I just compared that one to my HD5870 and I'm so confused as to why a newer series actually has less raw power.. What did they do to the 6000series
http://www.hwcompare.com/5915/radeon-hd-5870-vs-radeon-hd-6850/
http://www.hwcompare.com/6023/radeon-hd-5870-vs-radeon-hd-6870/
http://www.hwcompare.com/12258/radeon-hd-5870-vs-radeon-hd-7870/ <-- also not that impressive
But yeah, down to 5000series can run DX11 as already mentioned on Vista+
Hmmm tried it and can load a game save or start a new game but after 5 minutes in game my game freezes, goes black and then to white screen and gives me the not responding issue. This is on the current experimental build and my GPU is a AMD HD 6770 1 gig.
Its because between 5000 and 6000 series AMD changed the number schemes. 6000 series had a huge reduction in power consumption, which was primarily for the drive towards mobility, than pure power. Higher nomenclatures of the 6 and 7 series are the beefier cards. Basically, 6850 is not an upgrade from a 5850 like you might think. It's closer to say 5850 - 6950 is the real upgrade path.