The other day i was playing and repeatedly killed a marine as a skulk he finaly accused me of cheating becuase he said he was using a speedhack, so i was killing him with his cheat therefore i must of been cheating to kill a cheater. Kind of confusing but im sure youll get the point.
So i do think their is some hacks out for NS. I KNOW a guy was using an aimnot or something in one game i was playing, killed a skulk and me as a fade with ONE lmg clip and 2 pistol shots from about 75 feet away down a slope while the skulk was attacking him. He wasnt even facing me it looked like when he was shooting the Lmg. I hate to accuse poeple but it was so fake.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bolter+Dec 11 2002, 02:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bolter @ Dec 11 2002, 02:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NS Developers know about cheaters. You know about cheaters. We know about cheaters.
We all don't like them, they could be anywhere. What more needs to be said?
Don't have a dead horse pic but you get the point.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. There's quite a bit of usefull things left to be said. For starters, threads like this rise public awareness of a very real danger to a game we all love. While the potential exists for people to cry "cheater!" every time they get owned, there are events that go way beyond the plausible. These should be investigated by the dev team, NOT discussed on the boards. Threads like this should become a locked sticky that contains the following information:
How to find out the IP address, and any adminmods running on the server in question. How to capture a SS/demo of a suspected cheat. Contact information of NS dev team persons that investigate suspected cheating.
This is not a dead horse. Mabe in other games the horse has been allowed to die. That does not mean that we, as a community, have to just shrug and move on to another server untill there are no more. It is in the player's power to police the servers they play on. If you see obvious cheating like rocketing resources in the first minute of the game, you should report it to the dev team. The more they know about it, the better they can patch that stuff out of the game. If we just shrug it off, this will become just one more of those games that we remember fondly "Gee, I miss playing NS. Too bad it became a h4x0r playground"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agreed with everything you said, but is this thread anything like you described?
If it was simply a thread on how to deal with Cheaters then I wouldn't have wrote what I wrote but coming here to post a thread on how he is suspicious of cheaters is no more enlightening or constructive then the 5 other threads about suspicion that have come and gone.
Perhaps you should do up a thread on HOW to deal with cheaters effectively and a Mod should sticky it... I think that is a great idea!
<!--QuoteBegin--Cyborgguineapig+Dec 11 2002, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyborgguineapig @ Dec 11 2002, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cyborgguineapig's quote too long, read above for his post<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> first of all, calm down!
you think there is a magic bullet that can stop cheating. well sorry to bust your bubble, but there isn't. and you wonder why there's so much hacking? it's because its so popular! like starcraft and diablo ii. very often, esp. diablo ii, hacks come out and cause alot of trouble. blizzard fixes it, but it comes back eventually. same for half life.
as for consistency checks/CRC/etc, they hack the exe, so every time a new version comes out, they hack around it eventually. of course valve coutners it eventually, and they eventually get around it, and it repeats forever and even.
and as for the anti-hacking site, they are UNPAID people like ME and YOU, who want to contribute something to the community. don't be unappreciative of them; they dont have millions of dollars to stop cheating.
OK this topic is turning to poo. To sum it up, we all hate hacks and cheaters. They are scum and lowlifes blah blah blah. We all beleive there is no current server patch to stop cheaters from playing on our servers? What about Half-life Guard? To my knowledge it works with all HL mods ( with varying degrees of success ) and does tend to discourage people from trying a cheat. <a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/HLGuard.aspx' target='_blank'>http://www.unitedadmins.com/HLGuard.aspx</a>
Admins try it and advertise in your intro that hlg is running and cheaters will be banned - please.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> all you need to do is , run around and around a turret and it hurts u very few times , takes maby 2 goes at it , but with regen u need not die again , just attack it for a bit run away, heal and attack it.
funny u should say this now , bacause i was on a server last night and the first tower they bought was sensory so they had lvl 3 fast , a skulk was hidding out side or base , u can hear them run from miles away. anyway i went down the lift on bast and went to the other side of the crates down there and shot the right had box. 1 dead skulk. to say the least they though i was cheating , but when i dont it again at the water hive , where i knew i heard somthing moveing b4 i went in , the air went blue on the channel <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
i dont cheat , nor have i ever cheated. but imo there isnt a problem with aim bots atm in NS , iv not come across any1 that looks too be cheating.
<!--QuoteBegin--Aaron+Dec 11 2002, 01:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aaron @ Dec 11 2002, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, pistol is pretty good ranged, and IIRC, only 3 shots need to hit to kill a base skulk...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The pistol does 20 damage, so it's five shots to bring down a base skulk (armor halves damage). And only ten shots in a clip. That's two skulks right there. Nine LMG shots to bring down a base skulk. So, assuming the marine in question misses no more than 3 LMG shots and no pistol shots at all, those five skulks should be taken down without reloading, no problem.
-Ryan!
What is the first business of one who practices philosophy? To get rid of self-conceit. For it is impossible for anyone to begin to learn that which he thinks he already knows. -- Epictetus
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<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Dec 11 2002, 07:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Dec 11 2002, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was hiding in this bizzare little crack I found above a doorway. It was dark. I hadn't moved for a few minutes, so I knew motion tracking wouldn't find me. Nor were there pulses of a sensor scan. Enter Joe Marine from the doorway about ten feet below me.
Joe Marine is aimed straight up at the ceiling, fires a few times, kills me, and then runs back where he came from.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He'd probably played that map before as skulk, and knew that hiding place. Or maybe he was owned from there only a few minutes earlier. There are very few secret hiding places in the official maps that not everyone knows about.
/me spins in circles staring blankly at the ceiling.
Wasnt there some anti-cheat code from the last HL release that never made it into NS, but will be implemented in the future? And your smoking crack if you dont think there is cheating. Gee I have 2 friends that play HL, both adults 24+ 1 doesnt cheat, the other uses cheats in CS and he's playing NS get the point?
Yes there are skilled players who are good, and many getting better as skulks and pistol experts, and know hiding spots, but I dont want this to turn into CS. We need this VAC and HLGuard and new HL anti-cheat code. STAT
Some of you dont mind not knowing weather or not the other guy is cheating, I for one am driven nuts by it, and so are others, yes I can leave the server, or just accept it, but why should I.
I dont mind going 1 game as skulk 20-4 and the next 0-15 that does not bother me as long as no one is cheating.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've been playing NS for about a month now. And through that time, I and all the other newbies had a learning curve, and we got better, and games got better. And now I can see who the new newbies are, and can easily see how I made the same mistakes, and can watch them learn and get better, progressively.
But suddenly within the past week or so, there's a new class of player out there who is UBER-LEET and can do things the other 99% of the players do not do. The guy who can seemingly see you around a wall, hit you on his first try, every time, and can take down a room full of skulks without getting scratched. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--DrunkenBozo+Dec 11 2002, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrunkenBozo @ Dec 11 2002, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Dec 11 2002, 07:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Dec 11 2002, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was hiding in this bizzare little crack I found above a doorway. It was dark. I hadn't moved for a few minutes, so I knew motion tracking wouldn't find me. Nor were there pulses of a sensor scan. Enter Joe Marine from the doorway about ten feet below me.
Joe Marine is aimed straight up at the ceiling, fires a few times, kills me, and then runs back where he came from.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He'd probably played that map before as skulk, and knew that hiding place. Or maybe he was owned from there only a few minutes earlier. There are very few secret hiding places in the official maps that not everyone knows about.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I could understand that <i>if</i> he had been moving with a squad and was running out to capture a node or something. He specifically knew where I was and was ONLY out there to kill me. I can't imagine he spends the whole game looking in cracks. (PS: I don't recall him having flashlight on, and that crack was DARK. Wish I could remember map.)
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Dec 11 2002, 02:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Dec 11 2002, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was hiding in this bizzare little crack I found above a doorway. It was dark. I hadn't moved for a few minutes, so I knew motion tracking wouldn't find me. Nor were there pulses of a sensor scan. Enter Joe Marine from the doorway about ten feet below me.
Joe Marine is aimed straight up at the ceiling, fires a few times, kills me, and then runs back where he came from.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol i was Joe the Marine actually you shot me like 3 times with parasite i shot the celling at radom and got parasited again so i run the corner turned on my flashlight and scanned the celling and saw your belly sticking out so i finished you off <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
and i don't even think we even had motion tracking
also i play aliens like %99 of the time and know every map with all the good places a alien can hide cuz i play them so mcuh
It would have been better it you had jumped down and tried to bit me instead of sittingthere parisiting me cuz it takes like 15 shots to kill a marine with parasite
where you there when i was aliens? My Name was SuperJoe
there's one player I've found recently who is just unstoppable as a marine in the early game, he seems to just pluck skulks out of the air with pistol or lmg fire and it's almost suicide to try and go up against him. i saw the kills on re-joining after a crash and he had 46 kills, nearest other player had 14.
maybe he was that good. maybe he was using his sound system to detect all those skulks. maybe his aim was that great that with a second warning with me ambushing him from behind, he could shoot me down before I even got a bite in. maybe...
but how likely is it? the problem is when some players seem to consistently do the improbable, people will start to question the probability of them cheating. It's not as if they get lucky as we all do and take down a bunch of skulks with a single clip once in a while. it's the constant killing of you with ease, rounds hardly ever missing their mark.
I hardly accuse people of cheating though I sometimes have doubts about them but recently a player or two have made me actively say something. seems to be a popular thing recently. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well I have witnessed a cheat. A Marine, at start of game, started wildly placing mines. He put up 20+ right off the bat. So yes there is a cheat of some sort.
Not that I was aware of. I enquired about it and could not understand a thing they were saying. The server was in Taiwan, I think? Oh well I hope it was just an admin. doing magic but the community might want to keep an eye out for it.
I am not going to acuse anyone of cheating but... in a game yesterday I watched a teammate empty over a clip of lmg ammo into a gorge before dying. Now as I got in range he dies and I figured his aim was wacked, so I emptied a clip into the gorge - range was about 12meters and for most of the time the gorge did not dodge but sat ontop on an OT. there were a couple of DT around so I reloaded and emtied another into it, and another, I changed to pistol and emptied 10 bullets at it, then I was killed.
Can anyone explain wtf was going on?
I know the obvious answer is that I can't aim for **obscenity**, but the gorge hardly moved and I was playing a pretty good game yesterday (for me). I even managed a couple of solo fade kills with lmg/pistol/knife rushes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> and as a skulk in another game I managed a 3 marine kill including 1 in HA - a personal best <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Are there actually hacks for NS? I dont think there are, except that I've heard about wall hacks, but even if somebody decides to use that, you can easily find out about it.
Something is seriously wrong. I played a game today (lanvancouver) where this one marine was kicking **obscenity**. Granted, I've been whipped before, but this guy had something different about him.
I finally realized what it is: On one of my last attempts before I actually got fed up and left, I rushed him. Now I made a decent approach as a skulk, and I jumped at him. He didn't fully TURN AROUND until I was practically upon him, and he didn't fire until I was already in mid air...I was dead before I hit the ground. I know the weapon ROF have been posted somewhere but I can't find it, but dying on the FIRST gunshot sound didn't seem too right to me.
Now, it could be lag, but I'm on a pretty high DSL line. Any other possibilities?
People can be real good. I used to play this quake 2 mod gloom and their the base alien class could move faster than a leaping skulk, it was the size of a skulks head and had only 20 hitpoints though, but some people could still manage to cap it with one shot from their pistol every time. Granted those people had been playing that mod for 5 years.
it is possible for the server op to turn on cheats, the ones built in to the game, the command is something like sv_cheats 1 or something then thier is another command to turn on invurneralbitity, if you see it happening in the server try to use the command see if it works, then you might see that its the in game cheat not a 3rd party hack.
If anyone actually <b>asks</b> you for cheats, just direct them <a href='http://multiplayercheats.net/' target='_blank'>here.</a> It's not as evil as some joke websites, like infinite popup spawns. It's just funny.
There are a few things a skulk can do most of the time without getting hit:
- Kill a lone marine if they can get within 5 feet of them. - Kill a sentry turret that is in the open. - Kill a turret factory with a blind spot.
Second, understand what can and cannot be done as a cheat.
Third, this is not CS. I think the number of cheaters (not to deny their existence) is disgustingly exaggerated. I can't think of a single cheat that would give the Kharaa a noticeable advantage. As for marines, only an aimbot would give them a huge advantage, and there's little difference (except for teamplay) between a great player and an aimbot user.
<!--QuoteBegin--Katsuro+Dec 11 2002, 04:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Katsuro @ Dec 11 2002, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally i think that valve is actuallly making cheats and distributing them covertly, then releasing patches and such to fix them. Round and round the circle goes, becaue it keeps people playing<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't have time to read through the whole thread. In response to this though:
There's no way. When cheaters get detected by VAC I think like the second or third time, their cd-key is banned from all secure servers. Just wouldn't happen. Besides, I know the main site that distributes HL + HL Mod cheats and cheats for other games. (Do not think that I cheat just because I know this, however.)
I hate to rain on NS's parade, but I think there is a resource hack going around.
Last night, a guy joined on the H20 server I frequent by the name of Remote. He joined our alien team. In literally a few seconds of joining the game, our resources shot up like old faithful. I gained 30 resources, then 70, then it maxed out at 100 (I was gorge). In less than a minute of the game starting, I had enough for a hive with some left over. When I build the hive, it shot back to up 100. Even the other gorge on our team was maxed out. At first I thought it was a random bug, but when the marines realized what had happened, they started yelling at the guy named Remote. Apparently, he had joined the previous night and the same thing happened, and many of them said he had done the same thing last night on the marines team with a resource hack. He denied it of course, saying that he did not know what they were talking about, and that there was no such thing, but the way he was saying it, it didnt sound like he was telling the truth. He was voted off the server, and never came back.
This worries me greatly, and I HOPE it was just a bug.
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So i do think their is some hacks out for NS. I KNOW a guy was using an aimnot or something in one game i was playing, killed a skulk and me as a fade with ONE lmg clip and 2 pistol shots from about 75 feet away down a slope while the skulk was attacking him. He wasnt even facing me it looked like when he was shooting the Lmg. I hate to accuse poeple but it was so fake.
NS Developers know about cheaters.
You know about cheaters.
We know about cheaters.
We all don't like them, they could be anywhere. What more needs to be said?
Don't have a dead horse pic but you get the point.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. There's quite a bit of usefull things left to be said.
For starters, threads like this rise public awareness of a very real danger to a game we all love. While the potential exists for people to cry "cheater!" every time they get owned, there are events that go way beyond the plausible. These should be investigated by the dev team, NOT discussed on the boards.
Threads like this should become a locked sticky that contains the following information:
How to find out the IP address, and any adminmods running on the server in question.
How to capture a SS/demo of a suspected cheat.
Contact information of NS dev team persons that investigate suspected cheating.
This is not a dead horse. Mabe in other games the horse has been allowed to die. That does not mean that we, as a community, have to just shrug and move on to another server untill there are no more.
It is in the player's power to police the servers they play on. If you see obvious cheating like rocketing resources in the first minute of the game, you should report it to the dev team. The more they know about it, the better they can patch that stuff out of the game. If we just shrug it off, this will become just one more of those games that we remember fondly "Gee, I miss playing NS. Too bad it became a h4x0r playground"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agreed with everything you said, but is this thread anything like you described?
If it was simply a thread on how to deal with Cheaters then I wouldn't have wrote what I wrote but coming here to post a thread on how he is suspicious of cheaters is no more enlightening or constructive then the 5 other threads about suspicion that have come and gone.
Perhaps you should do up a thread on HOW to deal with cheaters effectively and a Mod should sticky it... I think that is a great idea!
first of all, calm down!
you think there is a magic bullet that can stop cheating. well sorry to bust your bubble, but there isn't. and you wonder why there's so much hacking? it's because its so popular! like starcraft and diablo ii. very often, esp. diablo ii, hacks come out and cause alot of trouble. blizzard fixes it, but it comes back eventually. same for half life.
as for consistency checks/CRC/etc, they hack the exe, so every time a new version comes out, they hack around it eventually. of course valve coutners it eventually, and they eventually get around it, and it repeats forever and even.
and as for the anti-hacking site, they are UNPAID people like ME and YOU, who want to contribute something to the community. don't be unappreciative of them; they dont have millions of dollars to stop cheating.
To sum it up, we all hate hacks and cheaters. They are scum and lowlifes blah blah blah. We all beleive there is no current server patch to stop cheaters from playing on our servers? What about Half-life Guard? To my knowledge it works with all HL mods ( with varying degrees of success ) and does tend to discourage people from trying a cheat. <a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/HLGuard.aspx' target='_blank'>http://www.unitedadmins.com/HLGuard.aspx</a>
Admins try it and advertise in your intro that hlg is running and cheaters will be banned - please.
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all you need to do is , run around and around a turret and it hurts u very few times , takes maby 2 goes at it , but with regen u need not die again , just attack it for a bit run away, heal and attack it.
funny u should say this now , bacause i was on a server last night and the first tower they bought was sensory so they had lvl 3 fast , a skulk was hidding out side or base , u can hear them run from miles away. anyway i went down the lift on bast and went to the other side of the crates down there and shot the right had box. 1 dead skulk. to say the least they though i was cheating , but when i dont it again at the water hive , where i knew i heard somthing moveing b4 i went in , the air went blue on the channel <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
i dont cheat , nor have i ever cheated. but imo there isnt a problem with aim bots atm in NS , iv not come across any1 that looks too be cheating.
The pistol does 20 damage, so it's five shots to bring down a base skulk (armor halves damage). And only ten shots in a clip. That's two skulks right there. Nine LMG shots to bring down a base skulk. So, assuming the marine in question misses no more than 3 LMG shots and no pistol shots at all, those five skulks should be taken down without reloading, no problem.
-Ryan!
What is the first business of one who practices philosophy? To get rid of self-conceit. For it is impossible for anyone to begin to learn that which he thinks he already knows.
-- Epictetus
Joe Marine is aimed straight up at the ceiling, fires a few times, kills me, and then runs back where he came from.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He'd probably played that map before as skulk, and knew that hiding place. Or maybe he was owned from there only a few minutes earlier. There are very few secret hiding places in the official maps that not everyone knows about.
/me spins in circles staring blankly at the ceiling.
Wasnt there some anti-cheat code from the last HL release that never made it into NS, but will be implemented in the future? And your smoking crack if you dont think there is cheating. Gee I have 2 friends that play HL, both adults 24+ 1 doesnt cheat, the other uses cheats in CS and he's playing NS get the point?
Yes there are skilled players who are good, and many getting better as skulks and pistol experts, and know hiding spots, but I dont want this to turn into CS. We need this VAC and HLGuard and new HL anti-cheat code. STAT
Some of you dont mind not knowing weather or not the other guy is cheating, I for one am driven nuts by it, and so are others, yes I can leave the server, or just accept it, but why should I.
I dont mind going 1 game as skulk 20-4 and the next 0-15 that does not bother me as long as no one is cheating.
lalalalalalalal
/me stares blankly at wall.
How can a bunch of professional gamers be 10 steps behind part-time programmers who are the ones doing the cheats?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've been playing NS for about a month now. And through that time, I and all the other newbies had a learning curve, and we got better, and games got better. And now I can see who the new newbies are, and can easily see how I made the same mistakes, and can watch them learn and get better, progressively.
But suddenly within the past week or so, there's a new class of player out there who is UBER-LEET and can do things the other 99% of the players do not do. The guy who can seemingly see you around a wall, hit you on his first try, every time, and can take down a room full of skulks without getting scratched.
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I noticed same thing.
Joe Marine is aimed straight up at the ceiling, fires a few times, kills me, and then runs back where he came from.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He'd probably played that map before as skulk, and knew that hiding place. Or maybe he was owned from there only a few minutes earlier. There are very few secret hiding places in the official maps that not everyone knows about.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I could understand that <i>if</i> he had been moving with a squad and was running out to capture a node or something. He specifically knew where I was and was ONLY out there to kill me. I can't imagine he spends the whole game looking in cracks. (PS: I don't recall him having flashlight on, and that crack was DARK. Wish I could remember map.)
Joe Marine is aimed straight up at the ceiling, fires a few times, kills me, and then runs back where he came from.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol i was Joe the Marine actually you shot me like 3 times with parasite i shot the celling at radom and got parasited again so i run the corner turned on my flashlight and scanned the celling and saw your belly sticking out so i finished you off <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
and i don't even think we even had motion tracking
It would have been better it you had jumped down and tried to bit me instead of sittingthere parisiting me cuz it takes like 15 shots to kill a marine with parasite
where you there when i was aliens? My Name was SuperJoe
The Map Was ns_hera
maybe he was that good. maybe he was using his sound system to detect all those skulks. maybe his aim was that great that with a second warning with me ambushing him from behind, he could shoot me down before I even got a bite in. maybe...
but how likely is it? the problem is when some players seem to consistently do the improbable, people will start to question the probability of them cheating. It's not as if they get lucky as we all do and take down a bunch of skulks with a single clip once in a while. it's the constant killing of you with ease, rounds hardly ever missing their mark.
I hardly accuse people of cheating though I sometimes have doubts about them but recently a player or two have made me actively say something. seems to be a popular thing recently. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
you lot are too paranoid.
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In case any one is curious.
The server was: [TW]HLADS 2002-12-31 colse
The IP is 61.63.0.98:27015
in a game yesterday I watched a teammate empty over a clip of lmg ammo into a gorge before dying. Now as I got in range he dies and I figured his aim was wacked, so I emptied a clip into the gorge - range was about 12meters and for most of the time the gorge did not dodge but sat ontop on an OT. there were a couple of DT around so I reloaded and emtied another into it, and another, I changed to pistol and emptied 10 bullets at it, then I was killed.
Can anyone explain wtf was going on?
I know the obvious answer is that I can't aim for **obscenity**, but the gorge hardly moved and I was playing a pretty good game yesterday (for me). I even managed a couple of solo fade kills with lmg/pistol/knife rushes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> and as a skulk in another game I managed a 3 marine kill including 1 in HA - a personal best <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I finally realized what it is: On one of my last attempts before I actually got fed up and left, I rushed him. Now I made a decent approach as a skulk, and I jumped at him. He didn't fully TURN AROUND until I was practically upon him, and he didn't fire until I was already in mid air...I was dead before I hit the ground. I know the weapon ROF have been posted somewhere but I can't find it, but dying on the FIRST gunshot sound didn't seem too right to me.
Now, it could be lag, but I'm on a pretty high DSL line. Any other possibilities?
There are a few things a skulk can do most of the time without getting hit:
- Kill a lone marine if they can get within 5 feet of them.
- Kill a sentry turret that is in the open.
- Kill a turret factory with a blind spot.
Second, understand what can and cannot be done as a cheat.
Third, this is not CS. I think the number of cheaters (not to deny their existence) is disgustingly exaggerated. I can't think of a single cheat that would give the Kharaa a noticeable advantage. As for marines, only an aimbot would give them a huge advantage, and there's little difference (except for teamplay) between a great player and an aimbot user.
I didn't have time to read through the whole thread. In response to this though:
There's no way. When cheaters get detected by VAC I think like the second or third time, their cd-key is banned from all secure servers. Just wouldn't happen. Besides, I know the main site that distributes HL + HL Mod cheats and cheats for other games. (Do not think that I cheat just because I know this, however.)
Last night, a guy joined on the H20 server I frequent by the name of Remote. He joined our alien team. In literally a few seconds of joining the game, our resources shot up like old faithful. I gained 30 resources, then 70, then it maxed out at 100 (I was gorge). In less than a minute of the game starting, I had enough for a hive with some left over. When I build the hive, it shot back to up 100. Even the other gorge on our team was maxed out. At first I thought it was a random bug, but when the marines realized what had happened, they started yelling at the guy named Remote. Apparently, he had joined the previous night and the same thing happened, and many of them said he had done the same thing last night on the marines team with a resource hack. He denied it of course, saying that he did not know what they were talking about, and that there was no such thing, but the way he was saying it, it didnt sound like he was telling the truth. He was voted off the server, and never came back.
This worries me greatly, and I HOPE it was just a bug.