If I went to war, I wouldn't be a medic. I'd likely aim to be tank crew, simply because that's what I like.
As for helping him.....I don't know. I've never been shot before, I don't know how it would feel to be shot at, survive, and capture the man who did it.
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<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 16 2005, 11:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 16 2005, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Private Coleman+Jul 16 2005, 03:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Jul 16 2005, 03:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a shame he won't be able to convince his comrades Americans are nice. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So nice theyre blowing up their country for a reason even its own government isn't to sure on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good god, are you ever off?
If any of you care, heres an article Ben Stein wrote which is kind of cool. Has to deal with our soldiers and what not...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->> For many years Ben Stein has written a biweekly column called >"Monday Night At Morton's." (Morton's is a famous chain of Steakhouses >known to be frequented by movie stars and famous people from around the >globe.) Now, Ben is terminating the column to move on to other things in >his life. Reading his final column is worth a few minutes of your time. > > Ben Stein's Last Column... > ============================================ > How Can Someone Who Lives in Insane Luxury Be a Star in Today's >World? > > As I begin to write this, I "slug" it, as we writers say, which >means I put a heading on top of the document to identify it. This >heading is "eonlineFINAL," and it gives me a shiver to write it. I have >been doing this column for so long that I cannot even recall when I >started. I loved writing this column so much for so long I came to >believe it would never end. > > It worked well for a long time, but gradually, my changing as a >person and the world's change have overtaken it. On a small scale, >Morton's, while better than ever, no longer attracts as many stars as it >used to. It still brings in the rich people in droves and definitely >some stars. I saw Samuel L Jackson there a few days ago, and we had a >nice visit, and right before that, I saw and had a splendid talk with >Warren Beatty in an elevator, in which we agreed that Splendor in the >Grass was a super movie. But Morton's is not the star galaxy it once >was, though it probably will be again. > > > Beyond that, a bigger change has happened. I no longer think >Hollywood stars are terribly important. They are uniformly pleasant, >friendly people, and they treat me better than I deserve to be treated >But a man or woman who makes a huge wage for memorizing lines ! and >reciting them in front of a camera is no longer my idea of a shining >star we should all look up to. > > How can a man or woman who makes an eight-figure wage and lives in >insane luxury really be a star in today's world, if by a "star" we mean >someone bright and powerful and attractive as a role model? Real stars >are not riding around in the backs of limousines or in Porsches or >getting trained in yoga or Pilates and eating only raw fruit while they >have Vietnamese girls do their nails. > > They can be interesting, nice people, but they are not heroes to >me any longer. A real star is the soldier of the 4th Infantry Division >who poked his head into a hole on a farm near Tikrit, Iraq. He could >have been met by a bomb or a hail of AK-47 bullets. Instead, he faced an >abject Saddam Hussein and the gratitude of all of the decent people of >the world. > > A real star is the U.S. soldier who was sent to disarm a bomb next >to a road north of Baghdad. He approached it, and the! bomb went off and >killed him. > > A real star, the kind who haunts my memory night and day, is the >U.S. >soldier in Baghdad who saw a little girl playing with a piece of >unexploded ordnance on a street near where he was guarding a station. He >pushed her aside and threw himself on it just as it exploded. He left a >family desolate in California and a little girl alive in Baghdad. > > The stars who deserve media attention are not the ones who have >lavish weddings on TV but the ones who patrol the streets of Mosul even >after two of their buddies were murdered and their bodies battered and >stripped for the sin of trying to protect Iraqis from terrorists. > > We put couples with incomes of $100 million a year on the covers >of our magazines. The noncoms and officers who barely scrape by on >military pay but stand on guard in Afghanistan and Iraq and on ships and >in submarines and near the Arctic Circle are anonymous as they live and >die. > > I am no longer comfortable being a part of the system that has >such poor values, and I do not want to perpetuate those values by >pretending that who is eating at Morton's is a big subject. > > There are plenty of other stars in the American firmament...the >policemen and women who go off on patrol in South Central and have no >idea if they will return alive; the orderlies and paramedics who bring >in people who have been in terrible accidents and prepare them for >surgery; the teachers and nurses who throw their whole spirits into >caring for autistic children; the kind men and women who work in >hospices and in cancer wards. > > Think of each and every fireman who was running up the stairs at >the World Trade Center as the towers began to collapse. Now you have my >idea of a real hero. > > I came to realize that life lived to help others is the only one >that matters. This is my highest and best use as a human. I can put it >another way. Years ago, I realized I could never be as great an actor as >Olivier or as good a comic as Steve Martin...or Martin Mull or Fred >Willard--or as good an economist as Samuelson or Friedman or as good a >writer as Fitzgerald. >Or >even remotely close to any of them. > > But I could be a devoted father to my son, husband to my wife and, >above all, a good son to the parents who had done so much for me. This >came to be my main task in life. I did it moderately well with my son, >pretty well with my wife and well indeed with my parents (with my >sister's help). I cared for and paid attention to them in their >declining years. I stayed with my father as he got sick, went into >extremis and then into a coma and then entered immortality with my >sister and me reading him the Psalms. > > This was the only point at which my life touched the lives of the >soldiers in Iraq or the firefighters in New York. I came to realize that >life lived to help others is the only one that matters and that it is my >duty, in return for the lavish life God has devolved upon me, to help >others He has placed in my path. This is my highest and best use as a >human. > > > Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will. > By Ben Stein > > > [Joseph Gyomber] Also: > > > > > We truly take a lot for granted. > Forget the Hollywood "stars" and the sports "heroes"... > and pass this on!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I realize I just asked another person to step off the soapbox, but people, stop diluting this man's achievement by marking it up for or against a country, or "the war". This was an action of a good man, not of an army, not of a country, not of a policy. Honor it as such.
On a side note, Allah Ackbar is an actual saying? I thought it was just some joke involving a certain aquatic species and the famous line "IT'S A TRAP".
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> US soldier - American hero saves yet another day!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure that if it were a British soldier, a German soldier, an Australian soldier, a Finnish soldier or any other soldier in the world, the local media would be talking about it, too. Quit using any excuse to bash America.
I think that the soldier is going to be angry, actually.
1) He didn't get to die for Allah. That's what he was taught to want. 2) He's now a POW. 3) He's been taught to hate Americans, he'll suspect their motives right away.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 16 2005, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 16 2005, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> US soldier - American hero saves yet another day!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure that if it were a British soldier, a German soldier, an Australian soldier, a Finnish soldier or any other soldier in the world, the local media would be talking about it, too. Quit using any excuse to bash America. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i didnt bash america! i bashed the war and wanted to joke about fire figther - american hero.
since soldiers are the heros not the fire figthers
Doom: its something muslims say when they do diffrent war things, and non war tings, its even in the muslim terrorist book!
they also said it when doing 9/11, saw some tv program about it
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 16 2005, 06:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 16 2005, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 16 2005, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 16 2005, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> US soldier - American hero saves yet another day!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure that if it were a British soldier, a German soldier, an Australian soldier, a Finnish soldier or any other soldier in the world, the local media would be talking about it, too. Quit using any excuse to bash America. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i didnt bash america! i bashed the war and wanted to joke about fire figther - american hero.
since soldiers are the heros not the fire figthers <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My mistake, I apologize. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> When people say things like that, they're usually America bashing, so I just assumed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 16 2005, 10:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 16 2005, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doom: its something muslims say when they do diffrent war things, and non war tings, its even in the muslim terrorist book!
they also said it when doing 9/11, saw some tv program about it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's the Muslim profession of faith. There are no two words spoken more often in Islamic faith. It has nothing to do with "war things", it has nothing much to do with terrorism, and had you read other people's posts, you'd have known this half a day ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jul 16 2005, 10:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 16 2005, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is where it gets fun.
See, if they were religiously motivated (which is not the only possibility), they were praying for him at that moment. Remember, any one who dies during a Ji-Had goes straight to paradise. In their eyes, they were just about to make him the greatest possible gift.
Independently from Muslim theology, tending to those who attack you shows true strength. My respect to Mr. Tschiderer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When they shot the soldier they were praising Allah because they believed they had just killed an infidel, not because they were hoping he'd go to "paradise" or whatever.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
I reckon it can vary. Ever see that video of those Chechnyan's (sp?) shooting down that Ruskie chopper? They were saying the same thing, but they definitly wern't saying it for the poor bastard they just shot down.
<!--QuoteBegin-baconflaps+Jul 17 2005, 12:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (baconflaps @ Jul 17 2005, 12:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jul 16 2005, 10:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 16 2005, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is where it gets fun.
See, if they were religiously motivated (which is not the only possibility), they were praying for him at that moment. Remember, any one who dies during a Ji-Had goes straight to paradise. In their eyes, they were just about to make him the greatest possible gift.
Independently from Muslim theology, tending to those who attack you shows true strength. My respect to Mr. Tschiderer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When they shot the soldier they were praising Allah because they believed they had just killed an infidel, not because they were hoping he'd go to "paradise" or whatever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dunno if QFT is appropriate there, but still. They don't want to send their enemies to heaven, they want us to burn in hell. Sorry, you lose.
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I reckon it can vary. Ever see that video of those Chechnyan's (sp?) shooting down that Ruskie chopper? They were saying the same thing, but they definitly wern't saying it for the poor bastard they just shot down.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That scenario is the same what are you talking about?
I understand that it's difficult for us to see these men as anything but killers, but they have their higher aims as much as the allied forces have. I'll grant you that not too few of them will be in it for the action, but in every war, you have certain reasons your people believe in - and ji-had is as significant (and benevolent) to many Muslims as the concept of spreading democracy and freedom is to us. Painting them as zealots out for blood does not simply do them a disservice, it makes it difficult to see what you're up against.
No, I read the newspaper. Some of you'll remember that there were articles about the conviction of the 9/11 attackers that everyone dying in the strikes would ascend. This is not some obscure knowledge, it's what you are presented with if you go beyond the headlines <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I dunno why but the gap between the gun firing and the guy getting hit seems too long, especially when it was so close. I know nothng about bullet speeds and stuff but at 75 yards from what I know, there shouldn't be a noticable gap between the gun shot and the hit.
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jul 17 2005, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jul 17 2005, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno why but the gap between the gun firing and the guy getting hit seems too long, especially when it was so close. I know nothng about bullet speeds and stuff but at 75 yards from what I know, there shouldn't be a noticable gap between the gun shot and the hit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It could have hit much earlier than that, but took that long to build up enough force to knock him down and for him to realize that he's been shot... I guess. That's just my guess.
If anyone calls "omg photoshop h4x" in this thread, I'm going to shove you in a blender.
<!--QuoteBegin-Burncycle+Jul 16 2005, 02:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Jul 16 2005, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Had been a low calibur. AK-47's bullet would of went in and out of that body armor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was a Dragunov according to the article. Probably a PSL or some other similar rifle. They fire 7.62 x 54r, which is a great deal more powerful than what the AK-47 fires, 7.62 x 39.
There is body armor that will stop it; Level III Armor stops multiple 5.56mm, 7.62 x 39, and similar threats. Level IV Armor stops .30-06 armor piercing (7.62 x 63 AP).
The soldier in the video is wearing Interceptor body armor with SAPI plates. Among other threats, it will stop 7.62 x 54r (as seen in this video) and multple AK-47 rounds. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My guess is he was wearing either Level 3 or 4 with a trauma plate.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jul 16 2005, 07:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 16 2005, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 16 2005, 10:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 16 2005, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doom: its something muslims say when they do diffrent war things, and non war tings, its even in the muslim terrorist book!
they also said it when doing 9/11, saw some tv program about it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's the Muslim profession of faith. There are no two words spoken more often in Islamic faith. It has nothing to do with "war things", it has nothing much to do with terrorism, and had you read other people's posts, you'd have known this half a day ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i fail to see your point, i say they say it when doing war things and non war things, and in the muslim terrorist book it says that they shall say it when attacking to intimidate their enemies, which of this didnt you read?
"Allah Ackbar" (or however it is spelled) is to Islam as "Our father" or "Amen" is to Christianity; it has nothing to do with "war things" or "not war things".
All Muslim extremists say "Allah ackbar", but not everyone who says "Allah ackbar" is a muslim extremist.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It was probably just him getting down as quickly as possible. Bullets won't knock you down. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, bullets will knock you down if they're big enough. I'm not sure about 7.62x54r, but larger shots definitely have enough force to plant you on your butt. However, you're probably right to some extent- the way he fell looks like it may have been a combination of the bullet's force and his startled reaction.
<!--QuoteBegin-OrganoX+Jul 16 2005, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OrganoX @ Jul 16 2005, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Burncycle+Jul 16 2005, 08:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Jul 16 2005, 08:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What is the man in the video saying? "Allah Arkbuhk" or something like that? I wonder if he's repeating what he was saying because he just realized what he did. Doubt it, though: it could very well be him wishing the medic dead, for all I know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Allah Akbar - "God is Great"
They often repeat it after an attack. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Allah O'ahbar - God are the biggest or greatest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How about "God FTW"? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, and Hippocrates is probably to thank for this. Smart man.
"Allah o Akbar" or "God is Great." I have no idea how to correctly write it in English, but that's vaguely how it's pronounced. You kinda have to say it from the back of your throat to say it appropriately.
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As for helping him.....I don't know. I've never been shot before, I don't know how it would feel to be shot at, survive, and capture the man who did it.
So nice theyre blowing up their country for a reason even its own government isn't to sure on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good god, are you ever off?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->> For many years Ben Stein has written a biweekly column called
>"Monday Night At Morton's." (Morton's is a famous chain of Steakhouses
>known to be frequented by movie stars and famous people from around the
>globe.) Now, Ben is terminating the column to move on to other things in
>his life. Reading his final column is worth a few minutes of your time.
>
> Ben Stein's Last Column...
> ============================================
> How Can Someone Who Lives in Insane Luxury Be a Star in Today's
>World?
>
> As I begin to write this, I "slug" it, as we writers say, which
>means I put a heading on top of the document to identify it. This
>heading is "eonlineFINAL," and it gives me a shiver to write it. I have
>been doing this column for so long that I cannot even recall when I
>started. I loved writing this column so much for so long I came to
>believe it would never end.
>
> It worked well for a long time, but gradually, my changing as a
>person and the world's change have overtaken it. On a small scale,
>Morton's, while better than ever, no longer attracts as many stars as it
>used to. It still brings in the rich people in droves and definitely
>some stars. I saw Samuel L Jackson there a few days ago, and we had a
>nice visit, and right before that, I saw and had a splendid talk with
>Warren Beatty in an elevator, in which we agreed that Splendor in the
>Grass was a super movie. But Morton's is not the star galaxy it once
>was, though it probably will be again.
>
>
> Beyond that, a bigger change has happened. I no longer think
>Hollywood stars are terribly important. They are uniformly pleasant,
>friendly people, and they treat me better than I deserve to be treated
>But a man or woman who makes a huge wage for memorizing lines ! and
>reciting them in front of a camera is no longer my idea of a shining
>star we should all look up to.
>
> How can a man or woman who makes an eight-figure wage and lives in
>insane luxury really be a star in today's world, if by a "star" we mean
>someone bright and powerful and attractive as a role model? Real stars
>are not riding around in the backs of limousines or in Porsches or
>getting trained in yoga or Pilates and eating only raw fruit while they
>have Vietnamese girls do their nails.
>
> They can be interesting, nice people, but they are not heroes to
>me any longer. A real star is the soldier of the 4th Infantry Division
>who poked his head into a hole on a farm near Tikrit, Iraq. He could
>have been met by a bomb or a hail of AK-47 bullets. Instead, he faced an
>abject Saddam Hussein and the gratitude of all of the decent people of
>the world.
>
> A real star is the U.S. soldier who was sent to disarm a bomb next
>to a road north of Baghdad. He approached it, and the! bomb went off and
>killed him.
>
> A real star, the kind who haunts my memory night and day, is the
>U.S.
>soldier in Baghdad who saw a little girl playing with a piece of
>unexploded ordnance on a street near where he was guarding a station. He
>pushed her aside and threw himself on it just as it exploded. He left a
>family desolate in California and a little girl alive in Baghdad.
>
> The stars who deserve media attention are not the ones who have
>lavish weddings on TV but the ones who patrol the streets of Mosul even
>after two of their buddies were murdered and their bodies battered and
>stripped for the sin of trying to protect Iraqis from terrorists.
>
> We put couples with incomes of $100 million a year on the covers
>of our magazines. The noncoms and officers who barely scrape by on
>military pay but stand on guard in Afghanistan and Iraq and on ships and
>in submarines and near the Arctic Circle are anonymous as they live and
>die.
>
> I am no longer comfortable being a part of the system that has
>such poor values, and I do not want to perpetuate those values by
>pretending that who is eating at Morton's is a big subject.
>
> There are plenty of other stars in the American firmament...the
>policemen and women who go off on patrol in South Central and have no
>idea if they will return alive; the orderlies and paramedics who bring
>in people who have been in terrible accidents and prepare them for
>surgery; the teachers and nurses who throw their whole spirits into
>caring for autistic children; the kind men and women who work in
>hospices and in cancer wards.
>
> Think of each and every fireman who was running up the stairs at
>the World Trade Center as the towers began to collapse. Now you have my
>idea of a real hero.
>
> I came to realize that life lived to help others is the only one
>that matters. This is my highest and best use as a human. I can put it
>another way. Years ago, I realized I could never be as great an actor as
>Olivier or as good a comic as Steve Martin...or Martin Mull or Fred
>Willard--or as good an economist as Samuelson or Friedman or as good a
>writer as Fitzgerald.
>Or
>even remotely close to any of them.
>
> But I could be a devoted father to my son, husband to my wife and,
>above all, a good son to the parents who had done so much for me. This
>came to be my main task in life. I did it moderately well with my son,
>pretty well with my wife and well indeed with my parents (with my
>sister's help). I cared for and paid attention to them in their
>declining years. I stayed with my father as he got sick, went into
>extremis and then into a coma and then entered immortality with my
>sister and me reading him the Psalms.
>
> This was the only point at which my life touched the lives of the
>soldiers in Iraq or the firefighters in New York. I came to realize that
>life lived to help others is the only one that matters and that it is my
>duty, in return for the lavish life God has devolved upon me, to help
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Allahu akbar
On a side note, Allah Ackbar is an actual saying? I thought it was just some joke involving a certain aquatic species and the famous line "IT'S A TRAP".
I'm sure that if it were a British soldier, a German soldier, an Australian soldier, a Finnish soldier or any other soldier in the world, the local media would be talking about it, too. Quit using any excuse to bash America.
I think that the soldier is going to be angry, actually.
1) He didn't get to die for Allah. That's what he was taught to want.
2) He's now a POW.
3) He's been taught to hate Americans, he'll suspect their motives right away.
I'm sure that if it were a British soldier, a German soldier, an Australian soldier, a Finnish soldier or any other soldier in the world, the local media would be talking about it, too. Quit using any excuse to bash America.
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i didnt bash america! i bashed the war and wanted to joke about fire figther - american hero.
since soldiers are the heros not the fire figthers
Doom: its something muslims say when they do diffrent war things, and non war tings, its even in the muslim terrorist book!
they also said it when doing 9/11, saw some tv program about it
I'm sure that if it were a British soldier, a German soldier, an Australian soldier, a Finnish soldier or any other soldier in the world, the local media would be talking about it, too. Quit using any excuse to bash America.
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i didnt bash america! i bashed the war and wanted to joke about fire figther - american hero.
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My mistake, I apologize. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> When people say things like that, they're usually America bashing, so I just assumed.
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It's the Muslim profession of faith. There are no two words spoken more often in Islamic faith. It has nothing to do with "war things", it has nothing much to do with terrorism, and had you read other people's posts, you'd have known this half a day ago.
See, if they were religiously motivated (which is not the only possibility), they were praying for him at that moment. Remember, any one who dies during a Ji-Had goes straight to paradise. In their eyes, they were just about to make him the greatest possible gift.
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When they shot the soldier they were praising Allah because they believed they had just killed an infidel, not because they were hoping he'd go to "paradise" or whatever.
See, if they were religiously motivated (which is not the only possibility), they were praying for him at that moment. Remember, any one who dies during a Ji-Had goes straight to paradise. In their eyes, they were just about to make him the greatest possible gift.
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When they shot the soldier they were praising Allah because they believed they had just killed an infidel, not because they were hoping he'd go to "paradise" or whatever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dunno if QFT is appropriate there, but still. They don't want to send their enemies to heaven, they want us to burn in hell. Sorry, you lose.
That scenario is the same what are you talking about?
I understand that it's difficult for us to see these men as anything but killers, but they have their higher aims as much as the allied forces have. I'll grant you that not too few of them will be in it for the action, but in every war, you have certain reasons your people believe in - and ji-had is as significant (and benevolent) to many Muslims as the concept of spreading democracy and freedom is to us.
Painting them as zealots out for blood does not simply do them a disservice, it makes it difficult to see what you're up against.
It could have hit much earlier than that, but took that long to build up enough force to knock him down and for him to realize that he's been shot... I guess. That's just my guess.
If anyone calls "omg photoshop h4x" in this thread, I'm going to shove you in a blender.
It was a Dragunov according to the article. Probably a PSL or some other similar rifle. They fire 7.62 x 54r, which is a great deal more powerful than what the AK-47 fires, 7.62 x 39.
There is body armor that will stop it; Level III Armor stops multiple 5.56mm, 7.62 x 39, and similar threats. Level IV Armor stops .30-06 armor piercing (7.62 x 63 AP).
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My guess is he was wearing either Level 3 or 4 with a trauma plate.
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i fail to see your point, i say they say it when doing war things and non war things, and in the muslim terrorist book it says that they shall say it when attacking to intimidate their enemies, which of this didnt you read?
All Muslim extremists say "Allah ackbar", but not everyone who says "Allah ackbar" is a muslim extremist.
Yes, bullets will knock you down if they're big enough. I'm not sure about 7.62x54r, but larger shots definitely have enough force to plant you on your butt. However, you're probably right to some extent- the way he fell looks like it may have been a combination of the bullet's force and his startled reaction.
Allah Akbar - "God is Great"
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Allah O'ahbar - God are the biggest or greatest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How about "God FTW"? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, and Hippocrates is probably to thank for this. Smart man.
I have no idea how to correctly write it in English, but that's vaguely how it's pronounced. You kinda have to say it from the back of your throat to say it appropriately.