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<!--QuoteBegin-Blammo8+Jun 25 2005, 02:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Blammo8 @ Jun 25 2005, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> He might be a beginner who couldn't keep his head cool to remember the proper way of using his martial art. I don't think the attacker is knocked out just stunned from the punch. Good the the red shirt was winning doh, I hate bullies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pretty much sums it up for me too. Whether he was actually a good martial artist and was just screwing with the other guy's head (I mean, he's laughing his head off but that's just for show, he's keeping his distance), or whether he doesn't know squat and was just trying his best, the outcome is favourable: He didn't get hurt but the other guy did.
The stance and the flailing arms were probably just a distraction, and it works. It could be some very odd and obscure form taught only there. There's a "martial art" in birmingham (I haven't heard of it being taught anywhere else but it probably is) that mixes one form (I think it's Tae Kwan Do) with screaming, shouting, swearing, flailing of arms etc... that's basically meant to lead your opponent into thinking you've completely lost it, but you're actually in complete control. It rules. The guys who practice it look and sound like they've totally flipped out, but when their opponent gets close, they own them with well practiced moves.
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umm, blamm, sorry, but you don't knopw what you are talking about.
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.
And for blocking there are 2 general meathods.
Follow the Force, or Meet the Force.
If you follow it then you are pushing it past the intended target (as you said, outside blocking)
if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.
the way to think about it is a 1/2 circle. with the agressor standing at the center of the straight line.
90 degrees = 100 percent force at 0 and 180 you have 0 force, generaly you try to intercept the blow at 45 or 225.
And quite a few old Chinese martial arts have arms flailing as a distraction. Most likely a technique adopted from Tai Chi.
Or old chinese swordplay. If you've seen chinese performers doing crazy things with their swords (wether steel or wood), it'll most likely be similar to the arm flailing that guy did. Haven't watched them in a long time though.
In any case, the other guy got whooped. I think that enough is worth it, wether he is a beginner or not.
....I'm just glad he didn't do <a href='http://yanaishina.blogspot.com/2005/05/monkey-steals-peach.html' target='_blank'>Monkey Steals the Peach.</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Jun 25 2005, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Jun 25 2005, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> umm, blamm, sorry, but you don't knopw what you are talking about.
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.
And for blocking there are 2 general meathods.
Follow the Force, or Meet the Force.
If you follow it then you are pushing it past the intended target (as you said, outside blocking)
if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.
the way to think about it is a 1/2 circle. with the agressor standing at the center of the straight line.
90 degrees = 100 percent force at 0 and 180 you have 0 force, generaly you try to intercept the blow at 45 or 225.
y <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Teach me more, oh wise one.... ... .. .
<!--QuoteBegin-Blammo8+Jun 25 2005, 03:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Blammo8 @ Jun 25 2005, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is best seen when he tries a hook (bad one really) and then flails his arm right back (which is stupid and ineffective). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Seemed effective to me. The guy never got hit and he won quite easily with a one punch K.O.
I don't see where you guys are getting this "one punch KO" bit. I see him land a hit which knocks the guy to the floor. In a bully fight that's pretty much a lose, true (go go Nazi stomp!), but it was the bully that got knocked to the floor, so he probably would have time to get up. The film just cuts off at that point, we have no idea what happens next. I still vote no KO, more of a "Shock out"
his stances were definitely not TKD. The first stance that looks like a back stance? Look at his feet, look at the weight distribution (if you can watch it). It's closer to an awkward fix stance than anything else. His feet are just ridiculously far apart to do any effective (good) kicks. When he does the second "Kung Fu dude" move with the slow moving hand, that's typically not taught to beginning TKD'ers as it is mostly for show, or to help you practice the grabbing/blocking techniques (depends who your instructor is. Most moves have a purpose.)
On a serious side note, if you REALLY want to learn self defense, take Krav Maga. If you want to get into better shape, have better flexibility (my girlfriend loves that part), and have enough knowledge to get by in the real world, take a flashy form of martial arts like Tae Kwon Do, or Tai Chi, or most forms of karate (the ones without weapons tend to be most useful for "street" situations)
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<!--QuoteBegin-Speed 2 Dave+Jun 25 2005, 05:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jun 25 2005, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't see where you guys are getting this "one punch KO" bit. I see him land a hit which knocks the guy to the floor. In a bully fight that's pretty much a lose, true (go go Nazi stomp!), but it was the bully that got knocked to the floor, so he probably would have time to get up. The film just cuts off at that point, we have no idea what happens next. I still vote no KO, more of a "Shock out" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Being a fat guy (woo!) who went through school being a fatteh, I'm fairly well versed on how "bully fights" turn out. Usually, if the victim goes down, either the bully's crowd descend and give them a good kicking, or the bully laughs and walks off, noting you down as an easy fight for the future.
If the BULLY goes down, either the bully's friends get involved (hehehe... knocking a guy down, then getting 4-5 relatively small kids launching themselves at you = fun), the bully gets back up and carries on fighting (usually even more wildly so it's more dangerous for an untrained person, but easier for a trained person who stays in control and can block clumsy, rage fueled attacks etc...), or the bully just tries to do the tough guy walk and walk away, with an "I'll get you later" type look.
Crowds play a big part though, as does the mentality of the crowd. If there's a crowd of people (friends of both parties and neutral people), once someone goes down, the fights over, since the crowd comes in to talk to, laugh etc... I'd say that once the bully guy goes down, the Kung Fu dude walks off and that's the end of it (for that day at least). He does go down pretty hard (whether it was the shock that knocked him down, or the pure strength, he's not going to be wondering that right at that moment and he's probably thinking more along the lines of "**** I picked the wrong guy today").
Then again, I could be completely wrong. Whatever happened after that fight, though, the bully guy is seriously in debt in the "pride / reputation" department, so he's gonna have to seriously hurt the Kung fu guy to gain that back.
I was a little confused by the wild hands of Mr. Redshirt, but it did lead to a very nice counter right hook. Granted, the other guy seemed to do a lot to help that hook, but still, it was nice.
It didn't look like a knockout to me, just a hard hit that knocked the guy off his feet. Its easy to tell from the way that the guy in black carried himself that he didn't really know how to fight and was intimidated by the guy in red's martial arts knowledge (however limited it was.) The hit itself didn't seem like a special technique, rather a hard punch when the opportunity was there.
The guy in black throws his arms and doesn't really punch effectively. The guy in red seems to know what he's doing but didn't have enough sparring experience to fight while maintaining good technique. Either that or he was really nervous or excited. Adrenaline does odd things to your technique. He does manage to dodge and counter with some familiarity.
As for the stance. Its not a back stance but it looks like a Kung Fu type stance. Its more like a long stance because the leading leg is locked. In a back stance, both legs are bent--40% of the weight to the front. Although, in a long stance, the leading leg is the bent one. My best guess is some sort of Kung Fu.
As for getting into fights. I think the guy in red was way to combative. Learning a martial art is more learning how to not engage someone with your ablities than learning how to hurt someone. He could have at least attempted to back off. You should only use your skills when reacting to an immediate threat. Not when responding to verbal abuse.
Yeah we got lots of those movies here all right...
And best of all, they're like...VERY low-budget films with cheesy effects! Think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, but only toned down to said cheesiness.
Okay, maybe they're not that good, but they're insanely cheap to produce. At least they were in the 70s to the 80s.
<!--QuoteBegin-CMEast+Jun 25 2005, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEast @ Jun 25 2005, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's not who goes down, it's who stays down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, good point. We have no way of knowing that he stays down. Thought Sticky's bully analysis pretty much hits the spot. It's all about reputation for that kind of trash, and to gain it back, he's going to have to do something. Probably go beat on some preschoolers or something. Practice later for if he ever has a child.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> umm, blamm, sorry, but you don't knopw what you are talking about.
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. I didn't say it doesn't. I meant he's a beginner because he knows the stand but doesn't use it properly. And no it was designed so your oponent cant throw you off balance by kicking your front leg. Also for other reasons but thats the main reason.
2. Locks are easier to win a fight. It takes alot of punches kicks to take someone out who has been punched in the face before (so his brain can handle it). An armlock is not that hard to do after a few months of Jui Jitsu. A lock gives you full control of the enemy and most people dont know how to counter a lock or defend against a lock.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you meet the force, you'll need to get inside his punching range before he can finish his punch. The guy wasn't doing that, he just stood there and blocked to the inside without even sidestepping or forwardstepping.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seemed effective to me. The guy never got hit and he won quite easily with a one punch K.O. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It really isn't. The muscle u use are your shoulder and the part of your back near your houlder. Both muscles are overstretches in the early phase of the punch which means little accelleration. Speed and mass are what makes a punch hurt. Also he does no damage with the punch, it's just the hook who did the job.
[Edit] Both shoulder and back muscle are at descent strength from a 90 degree angle to 180 degree angle between your arm and chest. This area is past the area u use for your punch. If you want to attack like that, you'll need to flail your wrist at the last possible moment, thats really effective if you can get the chance. But of your right arm is all the way to the left you let your guard down and your oponent will land a blow before you can (if he knows what he does).
Too bad Miser Red Shirt (Think his name was Fred from the voices) didn't grab the other dude's arm, twist and then break it. So much fun to watch, less fun to do (I've done it once, and before anyone says anything about lawsuits, I had witnesses and teachers saying the other guy threw the first punch, so I did it in self defense in the cop's eyes.).
Also, the thing about the flailing arms and screaming and cussing, I do believe that's what William Gibson called 'Making Noise'. It's like a form of brawling mixed with control, wish I could learn it, sounds fun.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The moves looks kinda familiar from Mortal Kombat 5... Dunno if that means anything or not. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You play too many video games.
Meh, not got a clue what fighting style that was...
All I know is that if that guy was over here, in teh UK, whilst he was busy showing off to the aggressor, all his mates would have just bum-rushed the kung fu guy, and just pummelled the living **** out of him...
THAT'S why you don't mess with us Brits, you'll be ****ed up before you know about it. And we're not scared to get a few mates in to sort it out quicker. You yanks would be totally screwed against us Brits...
If you send in the Marines, we'll just send in some Millwall fans...
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<!--QuoteBegin-Lt Patch+Jun 25 2005, 08:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt Patch @ Jun 25 2005, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Meh, not got a clue what fighting style that was...
All I know is that if that guy was over here, in teh UK, whilst he was busy showing off to the aggressor, all his mates would have just bum-rushed the kung fu guy, and just pummelled the living **** out of him...
THAT'S why you don't mess with us Brits, you'll be **** up before you know about it. And we're not scared to get a few mates in to sort it out quicker. You yanks would be totally screwed against us Brits...
If you send in the Marines, we'll just send in some Millwall fans... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I laughed at the "if you send in marines..." part, and then I saw "Milwall fans" and figured that they'd probably kick the **** out of the entirity of the american armed forces.
If they weren't so busy rioting at the fact that the sun rises every day.
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I took Okinawan (sp?) karate when i was little, and that stance looks similiar to one of the ones we used... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Jun 25 2005, 01:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Jun 25 2005, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's not a kung-fu stance, looks like jujitsu to me, or tae-kwon-do. (Don't quote that though.)
Although, this is probably real since that's what the whole basis of martial arts is, use the opponents moves against them and/or take out the mofo fast **** like. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not tae kwan do, the stances we used weren't as fluid as that
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<!--QuoteBegin-Speed 2 Dave+Jun 25 2005, 12:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jun 25 2005, 12:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When he does the second "Kung Fu dude" move with the slow moving hand, that's typically not taught to beginning TKD'ers as it is mostly for show, or to help you practice the grabbing/blocking techniques (depends who your instructor is. Most moves have a purpose.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not sure quite which part you mean, but if you mean at the start where he drops and slowly moves his hand out and such, that kind of stuff helps to focus you and get you in a strong stance. It's not just show, it actually does help you to get in the right mindset and be calmed and everything.
<!--QuoteBegin-Psyke+Jun 25 2005, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Psyke @ Jun 25 2005, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not sure quite which part you mean, but if you mean at the start where he drops and slowly moves his hand out and such, that kind of stuff helps to focus you and get you in a strong stance. It's not just show, it actually does help you to get in the right mindset and be calmed and everything. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> really? Why would you need to do that in order to focus, especially "in combat?" Most fights last less than 2 minutes (usually around 20-30 seconds) in the real world it's about fast wits, better technique, and lady luck.
He's either showing off, scaring his aggressor, or in serious trouble.
Lucky for him the bully doesn't know how to handle fights that don't involve his opponent curled into the fetal position.
<!--QuoteBegin-funbags+Jun 25 2005, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Jun 25 2005, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The moves looks kinda familiar from Mortal Kombat 5... Dunno if that means anything or not. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You play too many video games. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're in the wrong forum.
I've only taken 2 classes so far... but this ALMOST looks like the duel I saw between my Ish-en-rue instructer ( who is a GORGEOUS femmale fatale!) and some dude who was new in the class and thought he was tough. Bout the same effect XD. Yes, the hands flailing is "blocking and distraction" as well as weight trasnfer. Lower Horseback Stance in the beginning... uhm... and the rest I can't really tell (damn camera person SUCKS) But it looks authentic-ish from what I can see *shrug*
EDIT- watching it two more times... he seems to know how to counter, center his weight, and keep his balance and calm... but the guy CANNOT PUNCH. *shrugs* THen again, Ish-en-rue (sp?) IS mostly about countering and blocking
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 25 2005, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 25 2005, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Jun 25 2005, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Jun 25 2005, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> umm, blamm, sorry, but you don't knopw what you are talking about.
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.
And for blocking there are 2 general meathods.
Follow the Force, or Meet the Force.
If you follow it then you are pushing it past the intended target (as you said, outside blocking)
if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.
the way to think about it is a 1/2 circle. with the agressor standing at the center of the straight line.
90 degrees = 100 percent force at 0 and 180 you have 0 force, generaly you try to intercept the blow at 45 or 225.
y <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Teach me more, oh wise one.... ... .. . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> HAHA Yeah right, you'd break a hip
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Pretty much sums it up for me too. Whether he was actually a good martial artist and was just screwing with the other guy's head (I mean, he's laughing his head off but that's just for show, he's keeping his distance), or whether he doesn't know squat and was just trying his best, the outcome is favourable: He didn't get hurt but the other guy did.
The stance and the flailing arms were probably just a distraction, and it works. It could be some very odd and obscure form taught only there. There's a "martial art" in birmingham (I haven't heard of it being taught anywhere else but it probably is) that mixes one form (I think it's Tae Kwan Do) with screaming, shouting, swearing, flailing of arms etc... that's basically meant to lead your opponent into thinking you've completely lost it, but you're actually in complete control. It rules. The guys who practice it look and sound like they've totally flipped out, but when their opponent gets close, they own them with well practiced moves.
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.
And for blocking there are 2 general meathods.
Follow the Force, or Meet the Force.
If you follow it then you are pushing it past the intended target (as you said, outside blocking)
if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.
the way to think about it is a 1/2 circle. with the agressor standing at the center of the straight line.
90 degrees = 100 percent force
at 0 and 180 you have 0 force, generaly you try to intercept the blow at 45 or 225.
y
And quite a few old Chinese martial arts have arms flailing as a distraction. Most likely a technique adopted from Tai Chi.
Or old chinese swordplay. If you've seen chinese performers doing crazy things with their swords (wether steel or wood), it'll most likely be similar to the arm flailing that guy did. Haven't watched them in a long time though.
In any case, the other guy got whooped. I think that enough is worth it, wether he is a beginner or not.
....I'm just glad he didn't do <a href='http://yanaishina.blogspot.com/2005/05/monkey-steals-peach.html' target='_blank'>Monkey Steals the Peach.</a>
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.
And for blocking there are 2 general meathods.
Follow the Force, or Meet the Force.
If you follow it then you are pushing it past the intended target (as you said, outside blocking)
if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.
the way to think about it is a 1/2 circle. with the agressor standing at the center of the straight line.
90 degrees = 100 percent force
at 0 and 180 you have 0 force, generaly you try to intercept the blow at 45 or 225.
y <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Teach me more, oh wise one.... ... .. .
Seemed effective to me. The guy never got hit and he won quite easily with a one punch K.O.
his stances were definitely not TKD. The first stance that looks like a back stance? Look at his feet, look at the weight distribution (if you can watch it). It's closer to an awkward fix stance than anything else. His feet are just ridiculously far apart to do any effective (good) kicks. When he does the second "Kung Fu dude" move with the slow moving hand, that's typically not taught to beginning TKD'ers as it is mostly for show, or to help you practice the grabbing/blocking techniques (depends who your instructor is. Most moves have a purpose.)
On a serious side note, if you REALLY want to learn self defense, take Krav Maga. If you want to get into better shape, have better flexibility (my girlfriend loves that part), and have enough knowledge to get by in the real world, take a flashy form of martial arts like Tae Kwon Do, or Tai Chi, or most forms of karate (the ones without weapons tend to be most useful for "street" situations)
Being a fat guy (woo!) who went through school being a fatteh, I'm fairly well versed on how "bully fights" turn out. Usually, if the victim goes down, either the bully's crowd descend and give them a good kicking, or the bully laughs and walks off, noting you down as an easy fight for the future.
If the BULLY goes down, either the bully's friends get involved (hehehe... knocking a guy down, then getting 4-5 relatively small kids launching themselves at you = fun), the bully gets back up and carries on fighting (usually even more wildly so it's more dangerous for an untrained person, but easier for a trained person who stays in control and can block clumsy, rage fueled attacks etc...), or the bully just tries to do the tough guy walk and walk away, with an "I'll get you later" type look.
Crowds play a big part though, as does the mentality of the crowd. If there's a crowd of people (friends of both parties and neutral people), once someone goes down, the fights over, since the crowd comes in to talk to, laugh etc...
I'd say that once the bully guy goes down, the Kung Fu dude walks off and that's the end of it (for that day at least). He does go down pretty hard (whether it was the shock that knocked him down, or the pure strength, he's not going to be wondering that right at that moment and he's probably thinking more along the lines of "**** I picked the wrong guy today").
Then again, I could be completely wrong. Whatever happened after that fight, though, the bully guy is seriously in debt in the "pride / reputation" department, so he's gonna have to seriously hurt the Kung fu guy to gain that back.
The guy in black throws his arms and doesn't really punch effectively. The guy in red seems to know what he's doing but didn't have enough sparring experience to fight while maintaining good technique. Either that or he was really nervous or excited. Adrenaline does odd things to your technique. He does manage to dodge and counter with some familiarity.
As for the stance. Its not a back stance but it looks like a Kung Fu type stance. Its more like a long stance because the leading leg is locked. In a back stance, both legs are bent--40% of the weight to the front. Although, in a long stance, the leading leg is the bent one. My best guess is some sort of Kung Fu.
As for getting into fights. I think the guy in red was way to combative. Learning a martial art is more learning how to not engage someone with your ablities than learning how to hurt someone. He could have at least attempted to back off. You should only use your skills when reacting to an immediate threat. Not when responding to verbal abuse.
It looks like a sword stance from some old HK movie.
sideways foot and all
And best of all, they're like...VERY low-budget films with cheesy effects! Think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, but only toned down to said cheesiness.
Okay, maybe they're not that good, but they're insanely cheap to produce. At least they were in the 70s to the 80s.
Ah, good point. We have no way of knowing that he stays down. Thought Sticky's bully analysis pretty much hits the spot. It's all about reputation for that kind of trash, and to gain it back, he's going to have to do something. Probably go beat on some preschoolers or something. Practice later for if he ever has a child.
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
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1. I didn't say it doesn't. I meant he's a beginner because he knows the stand but doesn't use it properly. And no it was designed so your oponent cant throw you off balance by kicking your front leg. Also for other reasons but thats the main reason.
2. Locks are easier to win a fight. It takes alot of punches kicks to take someone out who has been punched in the face before (so his brain can handle it). An armlock is not that hard to do after a few months of Jui Jitsu. A lock gives you full control of the enemy and most people dont know how to counter a lock or defend against a lock.
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if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you meet the force, you'll need to get inside his punching range before he can finish his punch. The guy wasn't doing that, he just stood there and blocked to the inside without even sidestepping or forwardstepping.
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Seemed effective to me. The guy never got hit and he won quite easily with a one punch K.O.
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It really isn't. The muscle u use are your shoulder and the part of your back near your houlder. Both muscles are overstretches in the early phase of the punch which means little accelleration. Speed and mass are what makes a punch hurt. Also he does no damage with the punch, it's just the hook who did the job.
[Edit] Both shoulder and back muscle are at descent strength from a 90 degree angle to 180 degree angle between your arm and chest. This area is past the area u use for your punch.
If you want to attack like that, you'll need to flail your wrist at the last possible moment, thats really effective if you can get the chance. But of your right arm is all the way to the left you let your guard down and your oponent will land a blow before you can (if he knows what he does).
Also, the thing about the flailing arms and screaming and cussing, I do believe that's what William Gibson called 'Making Noise'. It's like a form of brawling mixed with control, wish I could learn it, sounds fun.
You play too many video games.
All I know is that if that guy was over here, in teh UK, whilst he was busy showing off to the aggressor, all his mates would have just bum-rushed the kung fu guy, and just pummelled the living **** out of him...
THAT'S why you don't mess with us Brits, you'll be ****ed up before you know about it. And we're not scared to get a few mates in to sort it out quicker. You yanks would be totally screwed against us Brits...
If you send in the Marines, we'll just send in some Millwall fans...
All I know is that if that guy was over here, in teh UK, whilst he was busy showing off to the aggressor, all his mates would have just bum-rushed the kung fu guy, and just pummelled the living **** out of him...
THAT'S why you don't mess with us Brits, you'll be **** up before you know about it. And we're not scared to get a few mates in to sort it out quicker. You yanks would be totally screwed against us Brits...
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I laughed at the "if you send in marines..." part, and then I saw "Milwall fans" and figured that they'd probably kick the **** out of the entirity of the american armed forces.
If they weren't so busy rioting at the fact that the sun rises every day.
Not entirely sure though.
this looks more like lone person trying to start sometihng then a standard bully.
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Its not tae kwan do, the stances we used weren't as fluid as that
I'm not sure quite which part you mean, but if you mean at the start where he drops and slowly moves his hand out and such, that kind of stuff helps to focus you and get you in a strong stance. It's not just show, it actually does help you to get in the right mindset and be calmed and everything.
*equilibrum!*
really? Why would you need to do that in order to focus, especially "in combat?" Most fights last less than 2 minutes (usually around 20-30 seconds) in the real world it's about fast wits, better technique, and lady luck.
He's either showing off, scaring his aggressor, or in serious trouble.
Lucky for him the bully doesn't know how to handle fights that don't involve his opponent curled into the fetal position.
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You're in the wrong forum.
EDIT- watching it two more times... he seems to know how to counter, center his weight, and keep his balance and calm... but the guy CANNOT PUNCH. *shrugs* THen again, Ish-en-rue (sp?) IS mostly about countering and blocking
A Back Stance in Tae-Kwon-Do DOES have you with your weight back, this is designed to be able to fire off kicks very quickly with out having to change stances, it is also ideal for defense.
Locks are NOT easier then smacking some one in the face, locks are generaly a medium level skill, and are tought so that IF the oportunities showes up you can use one, but generaly you will simply block and not beable to follow up with a grapple.
And for blocking there are 2 general meathods.
Follow the Force, or Meet the Force.
If you follow it then you are pushing it past the intended target (as you said, outside blocking)
if you meet the force the ideal is to crash into the blow, so that you stop the strike before it reashed full power. This is actualy very good for your standard "Big Hook" you see most street fights ussing (actualy waht was being thrown in this case), as following the force on a big hook is rather hard, it is much easier to simply step into the blow before he reaches peek power.
the way to think about it is a 1/2 circle. with the agressor standing at the center of the straight line.
90 degrees = 100 percent force
at 0 and 180 you have 0 force, generaly you try to intercept the blow at 45 or 225.
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HAHA Yeah right, you'd break a hip