TWG IX: Cave of Doom

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  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    there's a difference between inactivity and speaking in private.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1585332:date=Dec 7 2006, 06:35 PM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Dec 7 2006, 06:35 PM) [snapback]1585332[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    there's a difference between inactivity and speaking in private.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Only in the eyes of the people you speak to. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
  • XentorXentor Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5877Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1585332:date=Dec 7 2006, 01:35 PM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Dec 7 2006, 01:35 PM) [snapback]1585332[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    there's a difference between inactivity and speaking in private.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And ColdNite's 0.1 phantom vote is a clear indicator of which it is. Talk in private all you want, but at LEAST vote.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1585357:date=Dec 7 2006, 01:13 PM:name=Xentor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xentor @ Dec 7 2006, 01:13 PM) [snapback]1585357[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    And ColdNite's 0.1 phantom vote is a clear indicator of which it is. Talk in private all you want, but at LEAST vote.
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    okay, <b>GrayDuck</b> because she seems the type to want to kill everyone
  • KradKrad Join Date: 2004-08-26 Member: 30914Members
    <b>BlackMage</b> because his avatar makes me get really fricking dizzy.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    <b>Mantrid</b> because he's the Psycho! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    edited December 2006
    Vote recap.

    (1) <!--coloro:#FFFFFF--><span style="color:#FFFFFF"><!--/coloro-->Cold NiTe<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> - GrayDuck
    (1) <!--coloro:#FFFFFF--><span style="color:#FFFFFF"><!--/coloro-->GrayDuck<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> - Black_Mage
    (1) <!--coloro:#FFFFFF--><span style="color:#FFFFFF"><!--/coloro-->Black_Mage<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> - Krad
    (1) <!--coloro:#FFFFFF--><span style="color:#FFFFFF"><!--/coloro-->Mantrid (a.k.a. "The Psychopath")<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> - Crispy
  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    edited December 2006
    I have recieved word from other special roles and it seems that the death of Comprox is good, if my contacts are what they say they are in any case. I'll hold off voting for now. Hope you guys get more active in the evening.

    Who is the martyr? Who is the seer?
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1585515:date=Dec 8 2006, 12:55 AM:name=ZeroByte)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZeroByte @ Dec 8 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1585515[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I have recieved word from other special roles and it seems that the death of Comprox is good, if my contacts are what they say they are in any case. I'll hold off voting for now. Hope you guys get more active in the evening.

    Who is the martyr? Who is the seer?
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, but good for whom?

    All I'm sure of is that the death of the Psycho benefits all.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    edited December 2006
    Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I am the detective!

    Truth be told I'm getting a little anxious about getting munched tomorrow by Mantrid because nobody's joining me on this :S This is my last opportunity to plead with you before I go to sleep and the night ends, so I pretty much have to come clean. (I'm really surprised nobody up until now has questioned how I came to the conclusion Mantrid is the psycho)

    Anyway, I checked Cold NiTe on the first night, here's the first PM I sent to im_lost:

    <!--QuoteBegin-im_lost+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hiya,

    Just your local P.I. signing in. I'm gonna take my first shot in the dark and cast my magnifying scope (well, actually it's a magnotroposcope-come-suspicionotron; we're in the future, anything goes!) over...

    <b>Cold NiTe</b> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />

    Now, to get back to suspectorizing...


    P.S. Just to clarify the <i>vigilante</i> is the same as the <i>psychopath</i>, right? It's just that you refer to the psychopath in the rules but there's no player actually called 'the psychopath'.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The vigilante and the psychopath are NOT the same thing. The psychopath is a 1-person team, and they win when they are on their own (or with one other person). The vigilante is on the human team, so their goal is to kill people in a way that will help the human team. That's why there isn't anyone to check for the vigilante. Both roles are listed in the rules (psychopath under werewolves and mafia, vigilante in the human section).

    Cold NiTe is not the psychopath.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->



    <!--QuoteBegin-im_lost+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hiya,

    This round I've decided to cast my magnotroposcope-come-suspicionotron over...

    <b>Mantrid</b> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />

    Now, to get back to suspectorizing...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mantrid IS the psychopath. Since you have found the person you are looking for, there's no need for you to check anyone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes, I know that this could very easily be made up, but unfortunately I just re-built my PC and for some reason XP Home didn't even come with Paint so I can't even open up a screenshot of my PMs and show you. This is the best I can do.

    If you decide not to vote off the psycho I will inevitably die next round. In fact, the only reason not to vote Mantrid off now is if you're Wolf or Mafia and you know you can get a guaranteed human kill (when Mantrid kills me). Then again if Mantrid is spared he might deliberately not kill me in an attempt to exonerate himself, meaning that any one of you could be next on his list if he's left alive.

    As far as I'm concerned the psycho is now out in the open, so my role is now redundant. If Mantrid does die the forensic detective will be able to confirm that I was telling the truth. We've all seen how complicated the game is when calculating the number of possible combinations of kills and misses. Let's remove one of those complications; let's remove the psychopath. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />

    [Edit] Oh and one more thing, would any Wolf or Mafia player be stupid enough to do what I've just done? The only person in the game who's be justified in doing what I'm doing is the detective.

    Thank you, and goodnight
  • TheslanTheslan TWG Signature Maker Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28245Members
    Sorry guys, but my internet decided to die on me (within a week of finals no less!). Currently I only have access to the school's internet services which I was not able to get on until right now (because now I have class). I'll wait until after class (3 hours from now) to decide who to vote. Unfortunately, I can't much now since the professor is starting, but interesting that both the detective and vigilante came forward.... if they are truly real.
  • ByekaByeka Name changed from Freak83 Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
    edited December 2006
    <!--quoteo(post=1585549:date=Dec 7 2006, 08:40 PM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Dec 7 2006, 08:40 PM) [snapback]1585549[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yes, I know that this could very easily be made up, but unfortunately I just re-built my PC and for some reason XP Home didn't even come with Paint so I can't even open up a screenshot of my PMs and show you. This is the best I can do.
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    I would just like to give a little rule clarification at this point as some people may not be aware. Listed under the forms of "cheating" section in <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=3384085850422427648&showtopic=90852" target="_blank">this</a> thread:

    <!--QuoteBegin-'Freak83'+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE('Freak83')</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    - Showing a player a TWG PM to confirm humanity.
    - Posting an image of a conversation. (Note: fake conversations are perfectly allowed to be posted as long as they are text. Not everyone has photoshop skills to create fake images, which would give some players an advantage if this were allowed)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The rules as they stand right now are a bit 'gray' on this type of situation and will be discussed and clarified for future use after this game. For the moment, as Crispy has not posted a screenshot what he has done falls within the rules.

    (I'm making this post with >=1 request for rule clarification.)
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    Well, first I should probably say that I'm NOT the psychopath. Frankly, its impossible that the psycho is even alive. My understanding is that if one of the teams doesn't select someone to kill, the person is picked randomly, and there were only two kills last night. The first night, someone could have been guarded.

    Theory: If the guardian did save someone, it seems like it would make sense for them to move their guarding to someone else, rather than keep it on the same person, because the enemy team wouldn't try and kill the same person two nights in a row, for fear of the person still being guarded, and wasting another night. This means that either the guardian got lucky again, or that someone killed the psychopath.

    I also find it suspicious that two "roles" have publicly come forward. Since <b>Crispy</b> appears to be out to get me more, I'm going to vote for him.
  • IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
    Two theories:
    1. Crispy is the detective. He posted two convincing PMs from im_lost. These PMs could of been faked; I personally have never written any off-topic happy stuff in my PMs to the host, but maybe Crispy likes doing that. The text from im_lost looks authentic, but faking him would not be hard if you read stuff by him. In this case, Mantrid is the psychopath, we lynch him, everyone is happy.

    2. Crispy is a wolf/mafia. Assuming the psychopath died, Crispy would be of no use(and no harm) to anybody(in his story), and would probably be left alone because it makes more sense for the wolves/mafia to kill someone who has a chance of having a more useful role. A good way to survive to the end.

    (I'd like to note that I don't feel posting PMs from the host, text or otherwise, is a good idea.)

    I don't know either way. I have no reason not to vote for <b>Mantrid</b>, as he is the only suspect here, but I'm not comfortable with leaving Crispy untouched for the rest of the game either.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Another rule clarification, since it was broken twice on this page: Don't edit your posts.
  • XentorXentor Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5877Members
    I'm not comfortable with these roles coming out so openly. If Crispy is indeed the detective, and got extremely lucky on night two, then his coming-out makes perfect sense. Zero claiming to be the vigilante is another matter, as he is one of the more powerful human roles. Hopefully the guardian will keep him up, unless he's just a wolf/mafia diversion...

    Ugh, so complicated. I can't think about this right now...

    Apart from Crispy's accusation, I'm completely neutral towards <b>Mantrid</b>, so I see no reason not to follow a possible lead. Isamil does, however, have a good point. If the forensic whatever is still alive, he/she might want to check this likely corpse, as if it's not the psycho, Crispy should be next under the guillotine, because no human would try to mislead us like that.

    If it is, then congratulations on a lucky early-game scan, Crispy!
  • NurotNurot Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23932Members, Constellation
    Im casting my vote against <b>Cold Nite</b> seeing as we still don't have too much to go on and well he's the most inactive at the moment
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    I have to agree with Xentor's reasoning here; Kill off <b>Mantrid</b> and if it turns out he's not the psycho, get rid of Crispy (unless the wolves/mafia/psycho gets him first).
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1585549:date=Dec 7 2006, 07:40 PM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Dec 7 2006, 07:40 PM) [snapback]1585549[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, I know that this could very easily be made up, but unfortunately I just re-built my PC and for some reason XP Home didn't even come with Paint so I can't even open up a screenshot of my PMs and show you. This is the best I can do.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    He lies! All versions of windows since 1.0 (it was called paintbrush in 3.0) have shipped with the most awesome graphics program to ever grace the intertubes!
  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    Whoops. Sorry about the edit. Completely forgot about that game rule. My contacts says that Comprox was a wolf so his death is good for the humans and the mafia.

    I'm inclined to believe Crispy for now. It's not such a good move for any of the red teams to potentially have any of their members unmasked this early in the game so I vote for <b>Mantrid</b>. If the forensic does find that Mantrid isn't a psycho though and contacts me, Crispy is dead. If Crispy is lying I would think he is mafia cause I don't think the wolves would risk a move like this with one of their members dead.

    If my contact can be trusted anyway.

    Right, here are the votes as they stand now (I'm going from Cripsy's last vote count)

    (2) Cold NiTe - GrayDuck, Nurot
    (1) GrayDuck - Black_Mage
    (1) Black_Mage - Krad
    (5) Mantrid - Crispy, Isamil, Xentor, EMP_Demon, ZeroByte
    (1) Crispy - Mantrid
  • TheslanTheslan TWG Signature Maker Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28245Members
    Ok... rather than jumping on the bandwagon here, even though I agree with Xentor's reasoning of voting off Mantrid first, and then lynching Crispy if it turns out to be wrong, I'm going to vote someone random.org style. That happens to be <b>Krad</b>.

    I'm doing this for 2 reasons:

    1) I cannot change my vote until my internet issue is fixed. This means this will be my last vote before the day ends.

    2) I have no idea what's the autolynch vote threshold is. 5 is awfully high. Rather than asking im_lost to find out what the autolynch is (I think it's 7), I rather let the day play out and see if anyone else votes (and see if we can get some phantoms).

    ADD: Just for reference: these are the people that haven't voted yet:

    Cold NiTe (.1 phantom vote)
    Stakhanov

    I believe those 2 are left (there are 13 players, 11 have voted).
  • XentorXentor Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5877Members
    Well, I guess it's both good and bad that the psychopath has no allies. On the good side, no one would try to defend him (Except perhaps another red team that likes the higher death rate). On the bad side, no one would try to defend him, so we get no more clues as to the mafia/wolves.

    Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll probably be killed tonight for being the most active today, so if I am, good luck folks.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    Well, unless a bunch of people change their votes, it looks like I'm daying.


    Good luck, everybody. And don't trust anyone too readily.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->It is night 3, no posting!<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    "Early retirement seems less and less likely," <b>Mantrid</b> said. "Why is this happening?!"

    "Calm down," <b>BlackMage</b> said. "We're going to get through this."

    "How can you tell me to calm down?! Everyone is dying! We're not going to end up rich, we're going to end up dead!" <b>Mantrid</b> was becoming more and more hysterical by the second. "We've got to get out of here!"

    <b>Mantrid</b> started running, probably intending to head back to the entryway, but instead he ran further into the passageway. "Let's follow him," <b>BlackMage</b> said. The group ran after <b>Mantrid</b>, barely able to keep him in sight ahead of them. Suddenly, they saw <b>Mantrid</b> trip.

    Wwhen <b>Mantrid</b> looked up, he saw something horrible, something he had only heard about in books before. "Oh my god, it's a..." <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->Mantrid<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> suddenly stopped talking.

    "What just happened?" <b>Xentor</b> asked, in a very shaky voice.

    "Somehow <b>Mantrid</b> just died without anything even touching him," <b>Theslan</b> said.

    "OK, we need to figure out what that thing could be before we go any further," <b>BlackMage</b> said.

    Players still alive
    Krad
    ZeroByte
    Xentor
    Stakhanov (0.1 phantom votes)
    Isamil
    GrayDuck
    BlackMage
    Theslan
    Nurot
    Crispy
    Cold NiTe (1.1 phantom votes)
    EMP Demon

    Night 3 ends Friday at 11pm PST.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->It is day 3<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    I got invited to stuff with friends, so I don't have the story written yet. I'll get it up later tonight. <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->Isamil<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> and <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->BlackMage<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> are dead.

    Players still alive
    Krad
    ZeroByte
    Xentor
    Stakhanov (0.1 phantom votes)
    GrayDuck
    Theslan
    Nurot
    Crispy
    Cold NiTe (1.1 phantom votes)
    EMP Demon

    The day will end Sunday at 11pm PST.
  • GrayDuckGrayDuck Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16134Members, Constellation
    Ok, I'm leaving town in a few hours and might not have the Internets, so I guess I'll go first. I'm sticking with my <b>Cold Nite</b> vote... can't let an afk player win this thing!
  • KradKrad Join Date: 2004-08-26 Member: 30914Members
    So how do you pronounce <b>Theslan</b>, anyway?
  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    Care to explain yourself Krad?
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    On the issue of Cold NiTe being really inactive: if he doesn't show up to things by the end of the day, I'm going to remove him from the game, so there would be two daytime deaths.
  • KradKrad Join Date: 2004-08-26 Member: 30914Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1586278:date=Dec 9 2006, 12:12 PM:name=ZeroByte)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZeroByte @ Dec 9 2006, 12:12 PM) [snapback]1586278[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Care to explain yourself Krad?
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A hunch, good sir.
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