<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 10 2005, 05:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 10 2005, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wait, I'm not sure what you're getting at. You mean the law in the Old Testament? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See <a href='http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/' target='_blank'>The Brick Testament</a> for clarification.
Ah. The law was intended for the Jews only, and was nullified in the New Testament when Jesus came to Earth. The law no longer applies. The Ten Commandments, which make up God's moral law do still apply, as God's morals don't change.
The law was intended to show man's total lack of hope in reaching perfection. When Jesus came to Earth, the manner in which salvation was attained was altered, since Jesus now paid the price for all sins. The message was then opened to Gentiles, which meant anyone who wasn't a practicing Jew.
So no, the laws in the Old Testament no longer are around, because of what transpired in the New Testament.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 10 2005, 06:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 10 2005, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ah. The law was intended for the Jews only, and was nullified in the New Testament when Jesus came to Earth. The law no longer applies. The Ten Commandments, which make up God's moral law do still apply, as God's morals don't change.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where exactly in the New Testament does it say that Jesus cancelled out the Old Testament laws...or is that just assumed because it would be really, really hard to defend Christianity if stuff like this still counted?
I mean I was taught that the entire Bible was inspired by God, so why would God inspire laws that he didn't want to be carried out?
No, it's not assumed; there are verses to answer this. I don't have them handy right now, and really don't want to get into a debate about it. Suffice it to say, the old law is no longer needed, because Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice.
God did mean for the old law to be carried out until Jesus came to Earth. Once Jesus came to Earth, there was no longer any need for the old law.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 10 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 10 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, it's not assumed; there are verses to answer this. I don't have them handy right now, and really don't want to get into a debate about it. Suffice it to say, the old law is no longer needed, because Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice.
God did mean for the old law to be carried out until Jesus came to Earth. Once Jesus came to Earth, there was no longer any need for the old law. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Things that make you turn your head to the side and go "Hmmmm...."
So God really wanted this to take place?
Dt 22:20 <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If a man marries a woman and has sex with her and then turns on her and publicly accuses her, saying, "I married this woman, and when I had sex with her, I found no evidence of virginity". The girl's father and mother must take the evidence of her viginity and show it to the elders of the town, saying, "Here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity. The elders will then have the man arrested and flogged, and fine him 100 silver pieces, giving this money to the girl's father. But if the accusation is true and no evidence of the woman's virginity is shown, the woman must be taken to the door of her fathers house and stoned to death by the men of the town.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or this?
Dt 23:1 <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A man whose testicles have been crushed or whose **** has been cut off must not be admitted to the congregation of Yahweh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 10 2005, 06:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 10 2005, 06:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> reasa, what's your point? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well God is supposed to be kind, loving, forgiving, and every synonym in between correct?
According to these he’s more...evil, cruel, unforgiving, vindictive...
The law was meant to show man's hopelessness in attaining perfection. That was the entire reason for it. Once Jesus died and paid the price of sin, the need to perform sacrifices as a sign of paying for sins was no longer necessary. Yes, the whole point of the law was to cause discomfort. Love doesn't mean mushiness all the time.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 10 2005, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 10 2005, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The law was meant to show man's hopelessness in attaining perfection. That was the entire reason for it. Once Jesus died and paid the price of sin, the need to perform sacrifices as a sign of paying for sins was no longer necessary. Yes, the whole point of the law was to cause discomfort. Love doesn't mean mushiness all the time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea but why only cause discomfort for the Jews?
Where did you find out that the law was "meant to show man's hopelessness in attaining perfection" anyway?
Does it say that in scripture?
Why so much discomfort for woman in particular?
What was the whole point of Jesus anyway; if God is all powerful, way can't he just clear up this whole sin problem himself?
Honestly for a being of pure perfection his system sure has a lot of problems.
Bah, I said I didn't want to debate it, and I mean it. You're not seriously asking, you're trying to start another flame war. I don't think that's wise.
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 10 2005, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 10 2005, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bah, I said I didn't want to debate it, and I mean it. You're not seriously asking, you're trying to start another flame war. I don't think that's wise. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was seriously asking.
I can't help it if the subject material is ridiculous in nature
Actually.. it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that the old laws are "dispelled" at all. Which is why he doesn't have the passages, they do not exist.
Jesus stated he was there to "enforce" the laws, not change them or abolish them.
It is the secular part of society that opted not to follow them, because they make no sense.
Girl "OMGWTHBBBQ ASL JESUS!" Jesus "Uhm... stop plastering my name over everything and leave me the hell alone. Seriously. Stop acting so frickin high and mighty with the 'A real christian business'." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As soon as I saw that picture my heart warmed with joy. What a wholesome little christian girl she was, and it really tied the site together.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What was the whole point of Jesus anyway; if God is all powerful, way can't he just clear up this whole sin problem himself?
Honestly for a being of pure perfection his system sure has a lot of problems.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jesus = God. He kind of DID take care of it himself.
Long story short; If God just forgives all sin, he's not just. If he doesn't forgive sin at all, he's not loving.
If it takes the punishment out on himself, he is both just and loving.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually.. it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that the old laws are "dispelled" at all. Which is why he doesn't have the passages, they do not exist.
Jesus stated he was there to "enforce" the laws, not change them or abolish them.
It is the secular part of society that opted not to follow them, because they make no sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
While not dispelled, they're no longer relevant. The religious structure in the OT is fulfilled in the relational structure Christ set up. IE: Christ allows for a personal relationship with God, without dietary laws or a system of atonement.
Hey, how 'bout we nix this completely random (and repetitive) discussion of the laws of the Bible, and go back to laughing at this company for using religion as a selling point.
My question: what exactly makes them a Christian company? I know the whole ethics thing, but those are kind of already important morals in the business world. What separates this company from other phone companies?
tbh, they're not Christian at all. It says right on the front page that they're the "least expensive true Christian phone service"....you know what that means? "Non-Christian" phone services absolutely destroy them when it comes to price. So, they're selling an overpriced product on the back of a lame claim at being a Christian company; I'd say they're lying to the customer on two levels already, and this is even before you get a contract.
<!--QuoteBegin-legionaired+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (legionaired)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> While not dispelled, they're no longer relevant. The religious structure in the OT is fulfilled in the relational structure Christ set up. IE: Christ allows for a personal relationship with God, without dietary laws or a system of atonement. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Which is a direct contradiction that is inherent in all religions, christianity just made it 100% more obvious. Again since man deemed it better, they do not follow said older laws, which the bible says are still relevant. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-medhead+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (medhead)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whoa whoa whoa Cyndane, don't call me a liar. I meant what I said. I don't want to debate it with people here, that's all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't call you a liar, I called you someone who doesn't know his own book of morals, which is quite true. Doesn't matter, there is nothing to debate can't debate soemthing when it very book you love contradicts you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, how 'bout we nix this completely random (and repetitive) discussion of the laws of the Bible, and go back to laughing at this company for using religion as a selling point.
My question: what exactly makes them a Christian company? I know the whole ethics thing, but those are kind of already important morals in the business world. What separates this company from other phone companies?
tbh, they're not Christian at all. It says right on the front page that they're the "least expensive true Christian phone service"....you know what that means? "Non-Christian" phone services absolutely destroy them when it comes to price. So, they're selling an overpriced product on the back of a lame claim at being a Christian company; I'd say they're lying to the customer on two levels already, and this is even before you get a contract <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am still awaiting their reply to my email, and I haven't heard anything yet, if I do I shall gladly post it in this thread just for some laughs, because I have already pointed that out to them. :-)
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 10 2005, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 10 2005, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, how 'bout we nix this completely random (and repetitive) discussion of the laws of the Bible, and go back to laughing at this company for using religion as a selling point. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice try, but you'll need to do better than that to stop people with agendas hijacking the thread!
Being Christian hardly makes you a better or worse of a person automatically. Amazingly enough, you can have morals and not be of ANY religion!!!! WOW.
<!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Jun 11 2005, 08:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Jun 11 2005, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being Christian hardly makes you a better or worse of a person automatically. Amazingly enough, you can have morals and not be of ANY religion!!!! WOW. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> NO YOU CANT YOUR GOING TO HELL AAHAHAHA
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 11 2005, 07:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 11 2005, 07:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 10 2005, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 10 2005, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, how 'bout we nix this completely random (and repetitive) discussion of the laws of the Bible, and go back to laughing at this company for using religion as a selling point. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice try, but you'll need to do better than that to stop people with agendas hijacking the thread! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What if we were the poor kids who couldn't afford high school agendas and had to put our schedules in regular notebook paper in soft folders? Can we still hijack threads?
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<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 11 2005, 06:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 11 2005, 06:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The CEO of that company was hospitalized after anally masturbating with a rolled up bible.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe the girl in the picture did that too, I mean, look at that face.
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Lectivius ftl. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Well and Deutoronmy(sp I'm tired))
See <a href='http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/' target='_blank'>The Brick Testament</a> for clarification.
The law was intended to show man's total lack of hope in reaching perfection. When Jesus came to Earth, the manner in which salvation was attained was altered, since Jesus now paid the price for all sins. The message was then opened to Gentiles, which meant anyone who wasn't a practicing Jew.
So no, the laws in the Old Testament no longer are around, because of what transpired in the New Testament.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where exactly in the New Testament does it say that Jesus cancelled out the Old Testament laws...or is that just assumed because it would be really, really hard to defend Christianity if stuff like this still counted?
I mean I was taught that the entire Bible was inspired by God, so why would God inspire laws that he didn't want to be carried out?
God did mean for the old law to be carried out until Jesus came to Earth. Once Jesus came to Earth, there was no longer any need for the old law.
God did mean for the old law to be carried out until Jesus came to Earth. Once Jesus came to Earth, there was no longer any need for the old law. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Things that make you turn your head to the side and go "Hmmmm...."
So God really wanted this to take place?
Dt 22:20
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If a man marries a woman and has sex with her and then turns on her and publicly accuses her, saying, "I married this woman, and when I had sex with her, I found no evidence of virginity". The girl's father and mother must take the evidence of her viginity and show it to the elders of the town, saying, "Here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity. The elders will then have the man arrested and flogged, and fine him 100 silver pieces, giving this money to the girl's father.
But if the accusation is true and no evidence of the woman's virginity is shown, the woman must be taken to the door of her fathers house and stoned to death by the men of the town.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or this?
Dt 23:1
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A man whose testicles have been crushed or whose **** has been cut off must not be admitted to the congregation of Yahweh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well God is supposed to be kind, loving, forgiving, and every synonym in between correct?
According to these he’s more...evil, cruel, unforgiving, vindictive...
Yea but why only cause discomfort for the Jews?
Where did you find out that the law was "meant to show man's hopelessness in attaining perfection" anyway?
Does it say that in scripture?
Why so much discomfort for woman in particular?
What was the whole point of Jesus anyway; if God is all powerful, way can't he just clear up this whole sin problem himself?
Honestly for a being of pure perfection his system sure has a lot of problems.
Satan: Well, I bet you couldn't make them stone their own families to death for nothing.
God: Oh yeah? Watch this...
I was seriously asking.
I can't help it if the subject material is ridiculous in nature
Jesus stated he was there to "enforce" the laws, not change them or abolish them.
It is the secular part of society that opted not to follow them, because they make no sense.
Girl "OMGWTHBBBQ ASL JESUS!"
Jesus "Uhm... stop plastering my name over everything and leave me the hell alone. Seriously. Stop acting so frickin high and mighty with the 'A real christian business'." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As soon as I saw that picture my heart warmed with joy. What a wholesome little christian girl she was, and it really tied the site together.
Honestly for a being of pure perfection his system sure has a lot of problems.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jesus = God. He kind of DID take care of it himself.
Long story short; If God just forgives all sin, he's not just. If he doesn't forgive sin at all, he's not loving.
If it takes the punishment out on himself, he is both just and loving.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually.. it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that the old laws are "dispelled" at all. Which is why he doesn't have the passages, they do not exist.
Jesus stated he was there to "enforce" the laws, not change them or abolish them.
It is the secular part of society that opted not to follow them, because they make no sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
While not dispelled, they're no longer relevant. The religious structure in the OT is fulfilled in the relational structure Christ set up. IE: Christ allows for a personal relationship with God, without dietary laws or a system of atonement.
My question: what exactly makes them a Christian company? I know the whole ethics thing, but those are kind of already important morals in the business world. What separates this company from other phone companies?
tbh, they're not Christian at all. It says right on the front page that they're the "least expensive true Christian phone service"....you know what that means? "Non-Christian" phone services absolutely destroy them when it comes to price. So, they're selling an overpriced product on the back of a lame claim at being a Christian company; I'd say they're lying to the customer on two levels already, and this is even before you get a contract.
While not dispelled, they're no longer relevant. The religious structure in the OT is fulfilled in the relational structure Christ set up. IE: Christ allows for a personal relationship with God, without dietary laws or a system of atonement.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is a direct contradiction that is inherent in all religions, christianity just made it 100% more obvious. Again since man deemed it better, they do not follow said older laws, which the bible says are still relevant. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-medhead+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (medhead)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Whoa whoa whoa Cyndane, don't call me a liar. I meant what I said. I don't want to debate it with people here, that's all.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't call you a liar, I called you someone who doesn't know his own book of morals, which is quite true. Doesn't matter, there is nothing to debate can't debate soemthing when it very book you love contradicts you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Hey, how 'bout we nix this completely random (and repetitive) discussion of the laws of the Bible, and go back to laughing at this company for using religion as a selling point.
My question: what exactly makes them a Christian company? I know the whole ethics thing, but those are kind of already important morals in the business world. What separates this company from other phone companies?
tbh, they're not Christian at all. It says right on the front page that they're the "least expensive true Christian phone service"....you know what that means? "Non-Christian" phone services absolutely destroy them when it comes to price. So, they're selling an overpriced product on the back of a lame claim at being a Christian company; I'd say they're lying to the customer on two levels already, and this is even before you get a contract
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am still awaiting their reply to my email, and I haven't heard anything yet, if I do I shall gladly post it in this thread just for some laughs, because I have already pointed that out to them. :-)
Nice try, but you'll need to do better than that to stop people with agendas hijacking the thread!
NO YOU CANT YOUR GOING TO HELL AAHAHAHA
Nice try, but you'll need to do better than that to stop people with agendas hijacking the thread! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if we were the poor kids who couldn't afford high school agendas and had to put our schedules in regular notebook paper in soft folders? Can we still hijack threads?
yahahahahaha!
And that's from '02, that's too perfect.
Maybe the girl in the picture did that too, I mean, look at that face.