Apocalyptic Prophecies
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Stemmed from the meet the pope thread...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (me, Steel Troll) Am i to beleive that the end of Roman Catholicism and supposedly the world will come in lets say ( 5 - 10 years of Pope Benedcit the 16 then one other...) 20 years tops?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Legionnaired, pwned by Nem0's intelect) The Inca, (or was it the Maya?) predicted the end of the world as December, 2012. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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May i just say Nem0 has 1337 knowledge.
So whats the proof of the other two civilisations proclaming 2012 as the end of the world? What other dates are out there and, do you beleive it?
Put forward your knowledge about the apocalypse and discuss
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (me, Steel Troll) Am i to beleive that the end of Roman Catholicism and supposedly the world will come in lets say ( 5 - 10 years of Pope Benedcit the 16 then one other...) 20 years tops?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Legionnaired, pwned by Nem0's intelect) The Inca, (or was it the Maya?) predicted the end of the world as December, 2012. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Cyndane 1/3 pwned but not yet fully disproven)Three civilizations did, Maya, Egyptian, and the Druids of England (aka who built stonehenge).
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Nemo the wise) 2012 marks the end of the Mayan Fourth Age, not the end of all days.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
May i just say Nem0 has 1337 knowledge.
So whats the proof of the other two civilisations proclaming 2012 as the end of the world? What other dates are out there and, do you beleive it?
Put forward your knowledge about the apocalypse and discuss
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Eh, I'll treat this one as I have treated other doomsday prophecies: I'll believe it when I see it.
If I keep saying, each year, "the world will end this year," then surely one day I'll be right (assuming I get somebody to carry on my work after I die). But will that prove anything? No. When somebody is right once and wrong a thousand times, it's a fair bet to say he's just making wild, uneducated guesses.
As a child I was scared witless by doomsday prophecies. By now I have lost count of how many times the world was supposed to end already. I may just have missed it, but for all I can see it's still there.
Remember the Y2K hysteria? Yeah, neither do I. I knew that nothing was going to happen. Oh sure, the old computer in the basement that had been running stable without a reset since 1991 ran into trouble, but that hardly constituted and apocalypse (except for the poor geek whose experiment was ruined).
I'll believe it when I see it. If it's really that inevitable, I see no reason to bother with it NOW.
<a href='http://www.armageddononline.org/mayan.php' target='_blank'>Mayan Prophecy source (number 1)</a>
<a href='http://www.lost-civilizations.net/mayan-calendar-prophecies.html' target='_blank'>Source number 2</a> <--Long read, be patient.
<a href='http://www.lost-civilizations.net/ancient-civilizations.html' target='_blank'>Source of three civilizations.</a>
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_of_Giza' target='_blank'>Egyptian prophecies (In the Giza Pyramid</a>
You know my stance. And I encourage everyone to adopt it. Peace of mind is bliss, you know. If the apocalypse happens, it'll come to you anyway, so you don't need to waste your time preparing for it. Not to mention that it quite simply won't happen.
If there is one thing we consistently fail at, it's predicting the future.
"Not too far in the future, the Mayan calendar nears one of its great turning points: December 23rd 2012 is according to the Long Count day 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, the day at which [...] a new cycle begins. The Maya did however <b>not</b> expect the end of all creation, as was widely assumed. Pacal, the great ruler of Palenque, for example, prophesied the eightieth return of his coronation according to the Long Count to be celebrated eight days <i>into</i> first Pictun [a kind of month] of the new era."
Can we consider this settled now? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and Cyndane tell me where in the Egyptian prophecies (In the Giza Pyramid) link did it say anything about 2012? and the druids, while your at it, as i read all of it and i didnt find it... unless its buried in a sub link...
Can't really help you there, I'm afraid. I had a knack for mesoamerican cultures during my teenage years, but I'm not exactly an expert on Egypt or celtic religions.
"Not too far in the future, the Mayan calendar nears one of its great turning points: December 23rd 2012 is according to the Long Count day 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, the day at which [...] a new cycle begins. The Maya did however <b>not</b> expect the end of all creation, as was widely assumed. Pacal, the great ruler of Palenque, for example, prophesied the eightieth return of his coronation according to the Long Count to be celebrated eight days <i>into</i> first Pictun [a kind of month] of the new era."
Can we consider this settled now? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hehe.. Nemo you are fun.
Acutally, 4 Ahau 3 Kankin is December 22, 2012. :-)
Both of my sources state something "big" is supposed to happen, nothing says end of the world. The armageddon online one, take it with a grain of salt says something along the lines of a magentic shift, of course this has happened in the past, just in small amounts will occur.
We shall see when 2012 rolls around.
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As you may have figured out by now, I didn’t resolve the question. The Mayan Calendar seems to be pointing to something interesting regarding innovation. In comparison I found little direct correlation between the calendar and global catastrophes.
The Mayan Calendar hearalds a change of worlds. There are a few ways that can happen. A catastrophic event can change the world, or people can alter their world-view. Here's how that can happen and go almost unnoticed: Through some combination of happenstance and human ingenuity a new technology is invented -- say a Gutenberg comes along and creates moveable type. Now, books can be mass produced and accessable to more people. They learn to read, and new wrinkles are formed in the brain. They look like all their neighbors but like the difference between the Neanderthal and the Cro-Magnon they live in a different world and their adaptability gives them an edge on survival in the changed world.
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Acutally, 4 Ahau 3 Kankin is December 22, 2012. :-)
Both of my sources state something "big" is supposed to happen, nothing says end of the world. The armageddon online one, take it with a grain of salt says something along the lines of a magentic shift, of course this has happened in the past, just in small amounts will occur. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
On the danger of being fun again, how does that work? The Maya were, like the rest of humanity, happily oblivious of the concept of electromagnetic waves and fields until the 19th century rolled around. Even assuming that they could get some cryptic glimpse of the future, how could they possibly make references to a physical phenomenon two to three scientific revolutions away from them?
Acutally, 4 Ahau 3 Kankin is December 22, 2012. :-)
Both of my sources state something "big" is supposed to happen, nothing says end of the world. The armageddon online one, take it with a grain of salt says something along the lines of a magentic shift, of course this has happened in the past, just in small amounts will occur. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On the danger of being fun again, how does that work? The Maya were, like the rest of humanity, happily oblivious of the concept of electromagnetic waves and fields until the 19th century rolled around. Even assuming that they could get some cryptic glimpse of the future, how could they possibly make references to a physical phenomenon two to three scientific revolutions away from them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well since you are being fun again. I shall re-state because I love repeating myself. :-)
The mayan's figured something "big" would happen. By today's standards, we think they have predicted it was a magnetic shift (Small ones, of course, have happened in the past. We only know this today.). Personally, I would rather say they predicted a shift in how we think, but that is wishful thinking. Pun intended.
I am not sure what they predicted since I do not speak nor know the entire Mayan alphabet. Of course, no-one alive today does.
*edit* If you wish Nemesis, I could go into extreme detail as to what they did predict but that would require a long post on their religion, simply say Yea, or Nay. (Majority rules of course)
The notion that Mayan ritualistic scripture has been used to record the flow of time, which your statements indicate, has been abandoned more than half a century ago and can not hold up to any contemporary work on the topic.
Edit in response to Sky:
To re-iterate: There is <i>no</i> recorded apocalyptic prophecy in Maya scripture. The endtime 'prophecies' spooking through everyone's head here are a product of 16th century cathoclic missionaries misinterpreting what the converts explained of the Mayan calendar.
In addition, they also use these sources.
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"The Maya (Ancient Peoples and Places)" by Michael D. Coe
"Reading the Maya Glyphs" by Michael D. Coe, Mark Van Stone
"The CODE OF KINGS" by Linda Schele, et al
"An Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya" by Mary Miller, Karl Taube
"Aztec and Maya Myths (Legendary Past)" by Karl A. Taube
"Dictionary of Maya Hieroglyphs" by John Montgomery
"Chronicle of the Maya Kings and Queens" by Simon Martin, Nikolai Grube
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*Edited my spelling, wow I create some really weird typos.*
Small ones? I wouldn't consider the poles swapping their magnetic properties small.
Just a small little nit-pick.
If I remember from some recent readings, I believe that the earth's magnetic field has decreased in strength recently. Just food for thought...
That's what I'm saying though... They have completely switched in the past.
Still, just saying that something "big" will happen could mean any number of things and trying to say it is one thing specific, especially when magnetism has not really be known about for too long ( historically speaking ), isn't credible in the least.
That's what I'm saying though... They have completely switched in the past.
Still, just saying that something "big" will happen could mean any number of things and trying to say it is one thing specific, especially when magnetism has not really be known about for too long ( historically speaking ), isn't credible in the least. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I really think you missed the entire first page of this discussion, all I listed was what various people, who studied the Mayans think they said (and other cultures). No one is sure. We will find out come Dec. 22 2012 if anything happens, probably not like what happened in the year 999-1000 or 1999-2000. There were even some doomsday prophecies back in 1499-1500.
Myself, I did not say anything was going to happen. I fail to see where you think I said something was going to happen. :-)
I thought that <a href='http://www.badastronomy.com/index.html' target='_blank'>Bad Astronomy</a> would come to our help regarding all that business about the magnetic field. Oh Phil Plait, why hast thou forsaken us?
Well, I found two links: One dealing with <a href='http://www.badastronomy.com/mad/2000/planetalign.html' target='_blank'>the planetary alignment of the 5th of May, 2000,</a> one reviewing the movie <a href='http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/thecore_review.html' target='_blank'>The Core</a> (warning, spoilers), which is about exactly that: A change in the magnetic field of the earth spelling doom for us. I think one of the first sentences sums it up well:
"I remember distinctly that one line in the trailer said that the reversal of the Earth's magnetic field wipes out all life every 700,000 years. Um. If that's true, then why are we here? Life's been around for a few billion years!"
But check out this link I found in that very review: <a href='http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/glatzmaier.html' target='_blank'>http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/glatzmaier.html</a>
Yes, I know it looks pretty. Once you've stopped staring slack-jawed at all the nice colours, notice that according to the article, recent data suggests that the magnetic field has changed several times already. Apparrently, even a complete reversal is not sufficient to wipe out life - after all, we're still around.
And as Phil Plait points out in his review of "The Core," that core is not about to just stop spinning. And as long as it keeps spinning, we'll keep our precious magnetic field it seems.
But try telling that to the doomsday theorists. Doomsday WILL happen, even if they have to bring it about themselves!
Anyone know anything about Nostradamus? How bout our lady of fatima?
Oh and Cyndane tell me where in the Egyptian prophecies (In the Giza Pyramid) link did it say anything about 2012? and the druids, while your at it, as i read all of it and i didnt find it... unless its buried in a sub link... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I already posted this on the first page, and i didnt get an answer, so i assumed you couldnt link it...Ill be happy for you to disprove my late night reading <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/stardisctrans.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/...disctrans.shtml</a>
This artifact has lead to many speculations among acheologists. It seems to share cosmoligical and religious symbols with both mesopotamian and egyptian culture, yet it's definately created in central europe, which was considered primitive until the coincidential discovery of the sky disc. This is the first proof of higher cultural development in the early bronce age in central europe. It indicates that mediteranean culture and religion influenced the primitive tribal cultures. This way, such old prophecies possibly spread over the world on paths we don't not know yet and maybe will never know about again.
And just to save the horror of anyone watching the abomination of The Core I won't warn of spoilers because frankly it is that bad
Military builds earthquake making gun. They use it and stop the core from moving around thus destabilizes the magnetic field. Add about an hour and a half of crappy special effects awful acting and about 12 nukes detonated on the outer core and everyone goes home happy albeit with some radiation poison.