School Shooting

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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 24 2005, 11:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 24 2005, 11:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Testament+Mar 24 2005, 11:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Mar 24 2005, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 25 2005, 04:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 25 2005, 04:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Testament, you like insulting people on a whim, fine.

    But it was a misinterpretation, because my statement was standalone and did not require the killer's opinion on it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How was that an insult? You said it yourself.

    (Who the hell is Grokk?) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I gave it as an unlikely option.

    You stated that I must not know and then stated the obvious, implying a lack of intelligence on my part. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Gwahir he didn't mean it that way. That was just him being his blunt self, I didn't read it as an insult. Let's try to stay on topic with this one because it's an interesting topic. It's the first time I've ever seen one of these kids' own writing, it gives us a clue as to what he was thinking. All other things aside, we don't really have that opportunity in the other cases. I'm not playing psychoanalyst here, but it is interesting, no?
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    are there more than the 3 entries I see?
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    edited March 2005
    No, that's it.

    EDIT: Interesting how many people added him to their friends list. 168.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 25 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 25 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> are there more than the 3 entries I see? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No. But that's more than enough to see that he was relatively intelligent and heavily depressed. Beyond that would be speculation however. Still I don't need a reason to ask that people don't derail the thread. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    <!--QuoteBegin-Private Coleman+Mar 25 2005, 12:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Mar 25 2005, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, that's it.

    EDIT: Interesting how many people added him to their friends list. 168.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    He had them on as HIS friends. They didn't set him as THEIR friends. Kind of discouraging considering what he ended up doing.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    actually I was letting it go, then I was asked a question and answered it. That was the end as far as I was concerned.

    I saw nothing in those that could reliably point to his level of intelligence but it is clear that he was seriously depressed.
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    Did anybody else see a resemblance of "Target Practice" and what he did at school?

    0_0
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 25 2005, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 25 2005, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> actually I was letting it go, then I was asked a question and answered it. That was the end as far as I was concerned.

    I saw nothing in those that could reliably point to his level of intelligence but it is clear that he was seriously depressed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I appreciate it and I apologize for nagging you.

    Actually I wasn't thinking of the livejournal posts when I said he was intelligent. His reviews on Newgrounds.com were what I was reading. The link is on page 1 I think.
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Mar 24 2005, 07:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Mar 24 2005, 07:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mullet+Mar 24 2005, 09:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Mar 24 2005, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's too bad those people had to die...I blame the parents <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Uhm, weren't his parents dead/gone for at least 4 years prior?

    And...

    <!--QuoteBegin-Testament+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I blame the kid who grabbed a gun and killed ten people. Maybe I'm just strange, though.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    QFT <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Errrr, I blame his legal guardians
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    edited March 2005
    Nite...I'm addicted to that squares game. So far, my record is:

    52 Squares, 2021 points.


    edit:

    69 squares, 5713 points.

    edit:

    82 squares, 6366 points.


    OMG. So addicting.
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 24 2005, 09:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 24 2005, 09:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The teasing, while bad, does not excuse the act of killing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You sir, have no idea

    I went thru 10 years of life (Yes, I can remember as far back as being 5, I'm now almost 17) and every day in school was a living hell... I was tall, skinny, not weak but not strong, and looked like a bloody twig. I had glasses, and knew WAAAAY too much for my own good. I also had ADHD, which gave me the temper of a **** off bull that just got stung by a bee while looking at a red flag... I know what true teasing is... not "friendly banter" or "make him go away" teasing... no, I mean the teasing that is INTENDED to make you cry... to make you FEEL like dirt. The kind that is VEHEMENT... it is DEFINATELY an excuse to want to kill that person. I only threw words, fists, chairs, books, ect at em... I damn near threw the bullet at myself. It drove me 6 times to attempt suicide... and 6 times I was saved by what can only be a damn miracle. Beginning my Freshman year in High School, it began to ease up. My temper was FINALLY under control WITH medication, and I was beginning to fill out, but it still sucked ****... last year was fair, better control of my temper... only got in one fight and got 72 hour community service as a result (some dude thought I called him a dirty chink... I was like WTH? I don't even KNOW you... so he punched me a few times in the head which, if you knew me, is like punching a cement block. However, because I "instegated" the fight, I got in trouble EVEN THOUGH I didn't hit him back... next time I'll smash his face against a locker... bwahaha) but it was better


    Now, finally, this year, my life is changing. I'm filling out. At almost 6 foot, I'm now SLIGHTLY overweight at a hefty 190 pounds. I have very powerful legs, and a fair bit of arm. I have a 6 pack, but it's currently conceled by about 1 inch of fat (which is down form 1.5 inches of fat 3 weeks ago <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) Also, my shoulders are filling out, which makes me LOOK bigger. I also beat the living sh*t out of my 3 main antagonists... they now avoid me like I was Satan.

    That is what did it... now people RESPECT me cause I WILL fight back while still being calm.

    Before I went into a rampage, or just cried, or remained silent... I wouldn't fight back. They could punch me, kick me, whatever... and I'd either just throw things at em (and usually miss) or cry... now, I'll simply whip em. And ya know what, they KNOW that language. And now I have a bunch of my old "enemies", aka kids that'd jump on the bandwagon, as pretty good friends. I can take someone that has 4 inches and 100 pounds on me, cause I know the technique... and people RESPECT that. They don't respect "logic" or "IQ" at this age... no... they respect having

    A) Had sex with the prettiest girl last night
    B) Having the coolest car
    C) Having the best drug supplier
    or D) Being able to kick their ****

    Then you have your friends... there IS no real middle ground...


    So I can see why kids do **** like this... and it is NOT the parents fault... it is the SCHOOL's fault

    Teasing someone, at my elementary school, was a warning, then 5 min in time out, then 15 min on time out during recess... most kids didn't care

    In Jr. High, you were lucky if the teachers even DID anything... mostly they just said to stop, then ignored it...

    In High School... they don't give a flyin f**k what ya say so long as it isn't
    A) Profanity towards them
    B) Sever profanity
    C) Making fun of them
    D) Racist (which is odd, cause black ppl can make fun of white people at CD and nobody does anything... they can say Cracka and all that... but GOD FORBID if a white guy calls a black guy N***A or Black Man, or anything like that... they get bloody Out Of School Suspension 0o')


    So you see... the point is... school... SUCKS
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Where are the parents of the kids who are little bastards who drove this kid to doing it, and where the hell is the school in preventing this behavior? I don't condone murder but this could've been prevented if those two factors could be bothered to get off their ****.
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    edited March 2005
    If I even touch a bully, they'll suspend me faster than you could say "This school is **** and the flipping liberals have it backwards."

    I'm the one getting picked on, and as soon as I raise a finger to do anything about it, they think the kid I touch is going to bring a gun to school and kill everybody. Hate to break it to you, but it gets to the point where I am the one bringing the gun to school.

    CWAG-

    His mom has been a vegetable for quite some time, and AFAIK she died a few years ago. His dad commited suicide.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    you sir have no idea who you're talking to and what I've experienced.

    my point stands.
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    edited March 2005
    I would have poested more details... but I kinda figured that you guys didn't want a full 5 page report on my life

    Riddle Me This- What WOULD you have done, Gwahir? If the school won't help, your parents are dead, and your grandparents CAN'T help, then what DO you do?

    And if you say deal with it... I'll rip yer head off and s**t down yer neck...
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I have no expertise in dealing with people like this from an authoritative position.

    None of this has any bearing on my statement.

    His killing people cannot be excused.
  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    Yeah... see the funny thing is, you guys are trying to blame his PARENTS when both of 'em died sommat like 4 years before this whole incident.

    I feel bad for the kid but I don't at the same time, he was stupid, he f***ed up and didn't have the balls to face trial, which would have displayed any sort of message he was trying to get across. Oh well, stupid meatbags.
  • Black_ViperBlack_Viper Join Date: 2003-12-08 Member: 24157Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Testament+Mar 24 2005, 05:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Mar 24 2005, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> An instant banning for what? What meaningful comments can anyone make in a thread like this? Lamenting for the deaths? It's not like it affects any of us. So far it's consisted of "moral: random comment."

    Maybe you'd have a leg to stand on if I had actually said something offensive. It's not like this thread is going to be any kind of great discussion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Posting not only to prove someone wrong, but to say, that human lives are a precious thing, you may not know it untill you loose someone you know that didnt need to leave...



    R.I.P Marina B.
    1987-2005



    Just give a real good/close listen to Bro Hymn By Pennywise.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I don't think he had a message cshank.
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Mar 25 2005, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Mar 25 2005, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would have poested more details... but I kinda figured that you guys didn't want a full 5 page report on my life

    Riddle Me This- What WOULD you have done, Gwahir? If the school won't help, your parents are dead, and your grandparents CAN'T help, then what DO you do?

    And if you say deal with it... I'll rip yer head off and s**t down yer neck... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I would of dealt with it. It's a perfectly acceptable answer. Thousands of people do it. You think this kid is the only one in the world in that situation?
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
    People are Emotional
    People are Stupid
    People dont think ahead
    People dont care
    People never believe them to be wrong
    People care too much for too little

    Mix that in with him being say, unattractive, few friends, shaken, depressed and you have a flipping explosive as **** situation. Just one thing was gonna set it off or defuse it in the near future. Only a matter of time


    There was a kid that went to my high school who i kinda used to screw with who was a little, i dont know how to say it, easily stressed. I was talked to cuz, me by nature, like to screw with people, not to be mean, but just because im an idiot. I was warned that i might be settin something off that i would not want set off, or some **** like that.
  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 25 2005, 01:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 25 2005, 01:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't think he had a message cshank. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well then, he was just an idiot and saved us all the trouble of maybe someday putting up with his children by ending his own cowardly existance.


    My condolances to all the victim's families.
  • groKKingmImIgroKKingmImI Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34003Members
    edited March 2005
    <span style='color:orange'>Unnecessary comment removed</span>
  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-groKKingmImI+Mar 25 2005, 01:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (groKKingmImI @ Mar 25 2005, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This thread gets a 5 on the stupid pointless finger pointing debate scale. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You think this is bad? You shoulda' been here when the first reports of the HL2 sound stuttering issue came in.
  • groKKingmImIgroKKingmImI Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34003Members
    edited March 2005
    Now I know! Valve drove this kid to do it.

    DAMN YOU GABE, I'LL GET YOU YET
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 25 2005, 01:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 25 2005, 01:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have no expertise in dealing with people like this from an authoritative position.

    None of this has any bearing on my statement.

    His killing people cannot be excused. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    In other words- you can't say what you'd do cause it'd most likely be the same thing

    Otherwise, explain yourself, cause it has ALL the bearing in the world on it... don't just say he's wrong, say he's wrong, why, and what YOU would have done differently because it is YOU that said he was wrong

    @Funbags- HOW would you have dealt with it? Just put up with it? So you'd have, as that 8 year old kid, sat in the corner and cried, as that 12 year old, allowed people to shoot spitballs and names at you, as a 17 year old allowed that bully to take your lunch money and beat you up... yeah... right...
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    instead of assuming I know best, I make my inadequacy known. Which is a better position: claim to have the correct answer even though you don't, or admit the truth?
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Mar 25 2005, 01:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Mar 25 2005, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> instead of assuming I know best, I make my inadequacy known. Which is a better position: claim to have the correct answer even though you don't, or admit the truth? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then you say I don't know what I would have done, and leave it at that. Simple. Short. Direct.

    I love it.
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Har Har the Pirate+Mar 24 2005, 11:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Har Har the Pirate @ Mar 24 2005, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> People are Emotional
    People are Stupid
    People dont think ahead
    People dont care
    People never believe them to be wrong
    People care too much for too little

    Mix that in with him being say, unattractive, few friends, shaken, depressed and you have a flipping explosive as **** situation. Just one thing was gonna set it off or defuse it in the near future. Only a matter of time


    There was a kid that went to my high school who i kinda used to screw with who was a little, i dont know how to say it, easily stressed. I was talked to cuz, me by nature, like to screw with people, not to be mean, but just because im an idiot. I was warned that i might be settin something off that i would not want set off, or some **** like that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    MEEEEEKKKKkkkK!
  • groKKingmImIgroKKingmImI Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34003Members
    I'm going to stab my eyes out now.
  • Black_ViperBlack_Viper Join Date: 2003-12-08 Member: 24157Members
    edited March 2005
    Okay instead of listening to Bro Hymn, listen to Pennywise - This is only a test, lyrics:
    This is only a test of the emergency broadcast system
    This is a product of hysterical mass confusion
    A ship of fools adrift on the sea of our pollution
    Rudderless and powerless on the sea of our delusion
    And we're all alone hoping one day someone will save us from ourselves
    Secretly knowing that as far as we can tell
    <b>The world has a hungry parasite thats called the human race
    And we're powerless to stop it we're resigned to our own fate
    And no one cares-and no one cares</b>
    This is only a test of the emergency broadcasr system
    This is a result of our own reckless ambition
    The castles we have built have all become our prisons
    Trapped by our arrogance and the weight of our indifference
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