Ratcam!

Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
edited February 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">story & movie editing software question</div> We thought it was just one, but we just checked the traps....two kills. Both rats large enough that we're glad we bought the larger size traps.

Thanks to the wonders of USB extension cords and webcams, I now have last 17 minutes or so of one's life in 10-frame-per-second AVI. Took a little planning and patience on our part. Even though it was a fairly well-lit corner, the poor thing couldn't resist the smell of fast food chicken & french fries.

Haven't called the exterminator since he first came to give us traps, but we set up trap #3 (in view of the webcam, of course).

Problem: the only video format we can record with this webcam is uncompressed AVI. As in, "at 10fps and 320x240 resolution, an hour and a half fits into 12 and a half gigs of hard drive space" avi. Aside from wanting to cut out the boring parts where there's no rat, I also want to resynchronize the audio and video so that I can fix the problem of seeing the trap move about 5 full seconds before hearing it.

Any advice on video editing software that'll take this format, and let me make these fairly simple cuts & audio changes? Free is, as usual, preferred.

P.S: I don't have any webhosting of my own, <i>especially</i> not to host a 12gig file, so don't ask for the video this early <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[edit]By the way, for anyone who plans to say "You should use humane traps!" Yeah. I know. But Orkin's not giving those away for free. On the contrary, the guy who came was rather interested in the idea of getting the video when we told him we planned to record.
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  • TransmissionTransmission Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14456Members
    edited February 2005
    Couldn't you open the file with Adobe Premiere, <a href='http://www.virtualdub.org/' target='_blank'>Virtualdub</a>, or something as simple as Windows Media Maker, and compress it into a much smaller avi (through the use of xvid I suppose) or a wmv (with WMM)?
  • ShoeboxShoebox Join Date: 2004-11-15 Member: 32817Members
    uhh you could try using Windows Movie Maker that comes with windows xp. i made a short video of a DoD and it was like over 300 mbs and only like 25 seconds long. It puts a codec on it so now its quite small. im not sure if it will make the video look better or not but u could try it and see.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Oh my god, I can't wait to see this movie.

    I'm going to go start a thread on IMDB about it.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-pardzh+Feb 14 2005, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pardzh @ Feb 14 2005, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh my god, I can't wait to see this movie.

    I'm going to go start a thread on IMDB about it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    IMDB? Hey, I said I'd edit it, I didn't say you'd get bullet-time or pyrotechnics.

    Though the sincerity of the rat's performance is probably better than that of the guy who's currently cast as Anakin in the Star Wars prequels... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    I'll have to say Adobe Premiere too.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    VirtualDub. Free and legal, as opposed to Premiere.
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    virtualdub with your codec of choice. All you ned if you don't need to screw about with fancy effects or anything. It's easy enough to do what you want to do with it, just look for some tutorials online. There should be plenty.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik Steele+Feb 14 2005, 12:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik Steele @ Feb 14 2005, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Though the sincerity of the rat's performance is probably better than that of the guy who's currently cast as Anakin in the Star Wars prequels... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Can you try to put him in a rat trap next?
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    Virtualdub is good, yes. You can just set the sound/video sync thingy by changing how far ahead/behind either one is.
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    I use Adobe Premiere to edit my vidos and Win AVI converter to convert them from .avi to .mpg or vice versa. I know you can even change it to real player but who would want to do some thing silly like that? :-)

    Unless of course you wish to change it to the DVD format.. then Premiere is the best to go by. :-) Rawr for Video Editing. PS.. I would love to see it... either before or after editing.
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Feb 14 2005, 02:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 14 2005, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> VirtualDub. Free and legal, as opposed to Premiere. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Adobe Premiere isn't legal?
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    It's either expensive and legal, or free and illegal. Anyone with the latter type, kindly button your lip about using it at all. Anyone with the former, kindly send Marik the money to buy a copy, or alternately button your lip about using it.
  • radforChristradforChrist USA Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6871Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Subnautica Playtester
    Rather humorous you're on this topic. We've had a little mouse in our house for a month or so now, finally caught him 2 weeks ago and threw him out (didn't want to kill him). Last week, he was back. So we bought some glue traps, and set one out. We got him, and I killed him. end of story....

    The next night my wife sees another one scurry across the floor. SO we buy MORE glues traps. As of last night, I'm 5 for 5 on glues traps, and I've set out 2 more this morning. Haet rodents who freeload in your house.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Tell me about it. I think I have a family of them living under my bathroom, as a hole in the outside wall allowed direct access to the insulation. Which they burrowed right through. May have to get some rat traps myself.
  • DruBoDruBo Back In Beige Join Date: 2002-02-06 Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
    Virtualdub is good for the editing, but I'd have to suggest <a href='http://www.tmpgenc.net/e_main.html' target='_blank'>Tmpgenc</a> for the actual encoding process. I've found it to be faster.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik Steele+Feb 14 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik Steele @ Feb 14 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[edit]By the way, for anyone who plans to say "You should use humane traps!"  Yeah.  I know.  But Orkin's not giving those away for free.  On the contrary, the guy who came was rather interested in the idea of getting the video when we told him we planned to record.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Can't help you with the video editing, but when I saw your edit I HAD to reply.

    10 years or so ago my daughter and family moved to Florida and were living with the wife and I until they found there own place. I had a major squirrel problem in my attic and had set a trap up there to catch them (a cage, leaving them unharmed). It was a major ordeal setting and retrieving the trap as it was in the center of my attic and I had to crawl across many joists to get to it.

    One afternoon I retrieved the trap and it had a rat in it. I went outside, dumped the rat in the river (duh) and came back inside to a wailing 6 year old who could NOT understand why Papa released the squirrels in the back yard, yet (tried to) drown the rat. I guess even at 6 he knew a squirrel is only a rat with a fluffy tail ... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RatonetwothreetwooneRatonetwothreetwoone Join Date: 2004-03-23 Member: 27504Members
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ratonetwothreetwoone+Feb 14 2005, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ratonetwothreetwoone @ Feb 14 2005, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i hate you all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did you escape from the trap?
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Haze+Feb 14 2005, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Feb 14 2005, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ratonetwothreetwoone+Feb 14 2005, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ratonetwothreetwoone @ Feb 14 2005, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i hate you all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did you escape from the trap? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's what I was wondering - think his tail is missing? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+Feb 14 2005, 08:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Feb 14 2005, 08:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Haze+Feb 14 2005, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Feb 14 2005, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ratonetwothreetwoone+Feb 14 2005, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ratonetwothreetwoone @ Feb 14 2005, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i hate you all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did you escape from the trap? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's what I was wondering - think his tail is missing? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe something more important... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Well, I didn't do a particularly professional job of it, but I managed to take the 1 1/2 hour, 12+ gig uncompressed avi with a lot of boring nothingness in it, and change it into a 4.5 meg, few-minutes-long celebration of one of the most courageous moments in the rat's life, going out into a fairly-well-lit corner to investigate peanut butter on a mysterious looking dish.

    I certainly wouldn't call it "director's cut" quality, but seriously, how much more time should I be expected to put into something like this on a weekday? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    If anyone feels like hosting, let me know.
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    oo Ooo.. I HOST I HOST!!!.. I can set up an ftp for it so you can suck all of my bandwidth nubs <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    edited February 2005
    Sorry for the double post but the file is up and running and ready to be downloaded. You can find it here. Clicky the linky. :-)


    Ok... here is the ftp host for downloading the file.

    <a href='http://sio.midco.net/selcock/TowersRat01.rar' target='_blank'>Rat Video</a>

    Download and enjoy the lovely rat death! :-)


    *edit* I know I figured how to do it without one. woot!
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited February 2005
    wait...

    I like small furry animals.

    why did I just willingly watch one get killed?


    I am sucha idiot at some times....

    oh, and Lanfear, there dosn't seem to be a PW required...
  • GNSGNS Join Date: 2005-02-02 Member: 39476Members
    Is there gore/gibs in teh video? Cause I dont want to watch it if there is. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DarkwolfDarkwolf Join Date: 2003-11-21 Member: 23336Members
    Well, I couldnt see any gore in the video. Infact, I think the rat still lives on until the camera shuts off.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    no, infact as was pointed out the trap does not work as designed (snap/dead)

    aka part of why I realy shouldn't have watched it.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 14 2005, 10:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 14 2005, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wait...

    I like small furry animals.

    why did I just willingly watch one get killed?
    [...] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think that to myself now and then. 2 things keep making me return to my otherwise-normal way of thinking about it.

    1. I won't use the argument of "It invaded our home;" the reason we're in this spot is because at some point in history, we invaded its home to make ours. I <i>will</i> use the argument that by trying to share, it presented itself as a health risk, and I'm the one who's spent the past several thousand years learning how to use tools, instead of learning how to resist serious radiation and disease exposure and make children at an insanely exponential rate.

    2. What I like more about the video is being able to see the thing in action, see how patient it is, see how it behaves around a new object. The first couple times I watched it I also admired its will to continue living, but thinking too much about that makes me feel like I'm taking too much sadistic pleasure in the event, so I go back to watching it poke its head out in curiosity.


    [edit]If it makes you feel any better, trap #2 <i>did</i> work as intended, snapping the rat perpendicularly to the spine in what I would assume is the most painless possible manner. If it did take a few more seconds for it to die, at least it got the chance to lick the coveted peanut butter treat as it left this world.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    edited February 2005
    Downloaded the video, upgraded Windows Media Player, and it acts like its playing a song, no video.
    Any ideas - I GOT to see this vid!

    "error downloading codec" I briefly saw ... HELP?
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+Feb 14 2005, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Feb 14 2005, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Downloaded the video, upgraded Windows Media Player, and it acts like its playing a song, no video.
    Any ideas - I GOT to see this vid! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Had similar problems. One time, it was because I was a nub with the encoding software. Another time, I just right-clicked the area where the video would show, and pressed something like "show video."

    Hope it helps.
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