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douchebagatron · January 2005

sweet ice9! thanks. btw, cat's cradle is an awesome book.

Invader_Scoot · January 2005

This is definitely getting some more work on it then I originally thought. Keep it up!

Huze · January 2005

I started on an infestation texture. The texture itself isn't that great, and you can see the tile if you use it too much, but here it is.

<img src='http://img131.exs.cx/img131/7819/infesttest00009gt.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

I have a normal map, and I got the material to be an alien blood. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Hyperion · January 2005

k that looks good, for it being 256x256, now if only we could figure out how to get it to spray the green blood like the alien models.....

Huze · January 2005

Actually, it's 512x512, i just took a couple infestation textures and mixed them together.

Hyperion · January 2005

lol! ok, well, thats ok for now, but we need real ones, so we can use the .25 scale, and also we could maybe use alpha channel for displacement blending, now THATS and idea... god i love source!

UnCritical · January 2005

If you're gonna go and do all that, you might as well se if you can get some fancy specular maps to make them seem somewhat slimey, and also see if you can animate them, to make it kind of 'pulse'

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Meat_Popsicle · January 2005

what wuld be sweet with the infestatiion textures is if u culd get the veins pulsating

edit: doh someone beat me to it

Hellabean · January 2005

Texture looks awesome Hi!, and omg 1000 posts for KFDM

Huze · January 2005

Actually, that is at a .25 scale right there.

I'll work on making a pulse when I have time. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Ice9 · January 2005

Can anyone show me a quick guide on how to make HL2 Compatible Textures? All I need is that and I'm good to go. And how to extract WAD files. I'll try to make the textures 1024x1024, but if it looks like crap, I'll have to go with 512x512. I also need to know how to make the bump-maps, but I probably won't be good at that, so I suggest someone else does it...

I'll be working mostly on metal textures and such I think. From Wednesday on, I should be more active. Now I'm going to sleep, and taking my French and English exams.

Hurray Canada, I don't like French!

douchebagatron · January 2005

in the source SDK in the notes thing i believe there is a tutorial on making source textures from tga files. im sure there is also a tutorial on converting wads also.

Reebdoog · January 2005

Your best off completely redoing the texture from scratch, at 2x the size of the original texture. so 128x128 becomes 256x256

Hyperion · January 2005

Ice9 could you tell us which set you plan to work on so that we can add it to the list?

Good to see so many people eager to help!

douchebagatron · January 2005

ive got the list and im filling in all the names i know of now that are working on it.

norn, the wall_labs (the texture i have from you is titled wall_lab, but in the list all of the lab textures have numbers. im not sure which number this is, and id rather check than guess its the wall_lab1)

uncritical, vent2 (i dont know if you plan on doing any others)

confused, the wall_blacks

reebdoog, the flr_greys

any others? just post here and i think i will put the list onto the first post, and update it when possible.

Huze · January 2005

You can use wally ( <a href='http://www.telefragged.com/wally/' target='_blank'>http://www.telefragged.com/wally/</a> Only some download links work) to open wads and extract textures, then photoshop the texture to your liking.

When you're done, simply follow this tutorial. <a href='http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Texture_Introduction' target='_blank'>http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Texture_Introduction</a>

Then you can use this photoshop filter to generate normal maps.
<a href='http://www.quest3d.com/index.php?id=102' target='_blank'>http://www.quest3d.com/index.php?id=102</a>

Ice9 · January 2005

Thanks for all the help guys. TBH, I don't know what textures I'm doing, although I can do almost any. Maybe some wall textures? I don't like doing transparencies, they're a pain in the you-know-what. I can't access the textures right now, I can't access my PC with NS on it...

And if you wanna check out my artwork:
<a href='http://ice9tech.deviantart.com' target='_blank'>http://ice9tech.deviantart.com</a>
<a href='http://www.ice9tech.com' target='_blank'>http://www.ice9tech.com</a> (still in WIP!)

douchebagatron · January 2005

well i was thinking if you are as good as you say you are, the alien_ textures could probably use you, seeing as how they look extremely difficult to make. im not sure though, hi! seems to be doing them, maybe you 2 could work together on them? maybe ice9 remake the textures, then hi! add all the neat effects like maybe animation and blood?

edt: updated first post.

UnCritical · January 2005

I'm currently working on the domewall set too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Crispy · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Jan 27 2005, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> well i was thinking if you are as good as you say you are, the alien_ textures could probably use you, seeing as how they look extremely difficult to make. im not sure though, hi! seems to be doing them, maybe you 2 could work together on them? maybe ice9 remake the textures, then hi! add all the neat effects like maybe animation and blood?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I don't know about what the Devs have in mind for Source (iftherewillbeasourcenothingisconfirmedetc.blahblablah) but in it's current incarnation blood isn't allowed on the map textures, nor corpses or generally morbid things.

The ONLY exception to this rule is Olmy's morgue map <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

brute_force · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ Jan 28 2005, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't know about what the Devs have in mind for Source (iftherewillbeasourcenothingisconfirmedetc.blahblablah) but in it's current incarnation blood isn't allowed on the map textures, nor corpses or generally morbid things.

The ONLY exception to this rule is Olmy's morgue map <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
1: I'm guessing he's talking about the alien blood decals, shown when it's shot.

2: IT'S NOT A MORGUE.

Crispy · January 2005

I know it's not a morgue, but it will forever be known as the morgue map <span style='font-size:6pt;line-height:100%'>in my mind</span>

Ravatar · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ Jan 28 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Jan 27 2005, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> well i was thinking if you are as good as you say you are, the alien_ textures could probably use you, seeing as how they look extremely difficult to make. im not sure though, hi! seems to be doing them, maybe you 2 could work together on them? maybe ice9 remake the textures, then hi! add all the neat effects like maybe animation and blood? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I don't know about what the Devs have in mind for Source (iftherewillbeasourcenothingisconfirmedetc.blahblablah) but in it's current incarnation blood isn't allowed on the map textures, nor corpses or generally morbid things.

The ONLY exception to this rule is Olmy's morgue map <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Alien blood is drawn on the textures <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

TychoCelchuuu · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hi! @ Jan 27 2005, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You can use wally ( <a href='http://www.telefragged.com/wally/' target='_blank'>http://www.telefragged.com/wally/</a> Only some download links work) to open wads and extract textures, then photoshop the texture to your liking.

When you're done, simply follow this tutorial. <a href='http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Texture_Introduction' target='_blank'>http://www.hl2world.com/wiki/index.php/Texture_Introduction</a>

Then you can use this photoshop filter to generate normal maps.
<a href='http://www.quest3d.com/index.php?id=102' target='_blank'>http://www.quest3d.com/index.php?id=102</a>  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Nono. If you want a normal map of any complexity at all, you want to build the 3d geometry. See my earlier posts.

Ice9 · January 2005

<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/softco/t_alnwall3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Still needs LOTS of work, it's something I did in a couple minutes. It'll look way better with bumpmapping and everything, though.

Some_tall_guy1 · January 2005

you just blew up the size....

UnCritical · January 2005

Wouldn't it be better if people only made the actual infestation, rather than the wall that the infestation is clinging too?
Because when the uninfested wall is made, the textures won't match.
Use alpha chanenls to allow you to simply paste infestation onto the texture later on.

Also for those doing textures, a little advice (even tho it may seem like comon sense)
When remaking the texture try not to make it exactally as you see it. Try and imainge what the texture would look like in real life.
Remember when the origional textures were created by Cory he didn't have many pixels to work with, so he couldn't add alot of detail. Now is the chance to add some.

Also if you need complex normal maps, try not to use the NVplugin on the actual texture. It's much easier if you use a brand new layer that is made up of grayscale gradients that mimic the heights you want in the texture.
Eg.
The actual texture I'm currently working on-
<img src='http://www.darkbeforedawn.net/external/domewall/domewall1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
If I ran this through the plugin it wouldnt turn out very well, so i made a new grayscale image that matched what I need -
<img src='http://www.darkbeforedawn.net/external/domewall/domewall2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
This one seems to be working out much better.

But as Tycho said, if you have to work on really complex things, get it modelled. Thats 10 times better.

douchebagatron · January 2005

first post attachement updated to add uncritical for domewall textures. uncritical are you going to be doing the vent texture as well as the vent2 texture?

Huze · January 2005

I finally got my animated texture to work, but the animation iteself is very ugly. (I just liquified the veins larger)

So, either I can spend a long time animating the veins to look good, or I'll just give the png to someone so they can make the different frames, then I'll convert it.

<img src='http://xs13.xs.to/pics/05045/infest.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Some_tall_guy1 · January 2005

I think you should make the pulsing a bit more subtle, you dont want it to be too crazy.

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