<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Nov 12 2004, 04:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Nov 12 2004, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as well as a debate, where it was stated that you can somehow change your own damage and health to your advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
impossible. it was a joke, stupidity or soemething else. it'd help if you posted the link.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You encounter skulks, which never loose track on you during close in, although the bite animation should somehow hinder their sight to a certain degree.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it is called skill. some skulks do not hold their attack key down while charging at a marine.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They can eat more than half of an LMG clip even with not yet having carapace and dealing more damage without focus than me with using it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how do you know? also this, and this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I once got killed by a non focus skulk with one bite although having full 100 health and level 1 armor upgrade (45).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and to a certain extend, this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also the xenocide, which AFAIK should deal 100 damage to rines seems to deal far more when certain people use it. I got killed by 1 xeno having 100 health and level 2 armor (65). I never killed 4 upgraded rines at ones by xeno, if they have not been damaged before by spores or else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (except that xeno deals more damage than 100) are all related to lag, crappy hit registry, in general <i>a poor server</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> On the other hand, some rines kill with 1-2 LMG bullets an seem having homing bullets which even hit when you already passed to corners, without having high latency. Also some of them are very sturdy, even taking 4 (non focused) bites and not being resupplied during and they still live on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
also belongs in the "reg" area, see above. also, what fps do you usually get? (cl_showfps 1) i'm getting the feeling that you play on 30 fps or lower, that can be the cause you are missing some actions in the game.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are several other issues, but I do not want to put it up all in here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> if you're actually serious writing this stuff, do post.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I play on 100fps and 40- latency. Further you can hear if someone uses focus by his bite-speed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Nov 12 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Nov 12 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not only was it possible to go without a muzzleflash for a very long time, but you could also do third person as well as make pink/green models and stuff like that.
Of course those exploits have been fixed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They may have been fixed, but that´s no problem in order to hack them.
maybe he didnt have focus? maybe (this is a bit far) he was affected by primal?
look. the only way to confirm this stuff is that you record your combat games. like this:
(type in console)
record demoname
and when you want to stop, type stop.
then go back to the demos, viewdemo demoname, and check for any oddities. if you find something fishy to you, send the demo to someone to let them evaluate it.
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Nov 12 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Nov 12 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> VAC doesn't support ns. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> VAC still doesn't support NS? Thats pretty pathetic valve's behalf.. I swear back when 2.0 first came out (which was about when I quit) they were touting about VAC support upcoming or something.
since when is vac interested in supporting none profit 3rd party games <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No offence, the move, but what you're experiencing is most likely the <i>curse</i> of playing against skilled players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Listen fellow, I´ve played this game since the release 1.00 and that´s quite a long time.
Sure there have always been good players, also better than me, but the amount of players who do quite impossible things is tremendously rising.
I may not have as much skill as some other players, but I definately have enough skill and expierience to see, who is a good player or who is simply a hacker.
You can be good, but you will never bring your LMG to 25 damage per bullet. Or those guys with "sniper shotguns", firing every bullet with pinpoint accuracy over distance. I experienced that recently. As well as other strange happenings. Such thing also took place before, but they occur more and more often.
Even when certain functions are locked that does not mean they cant be hacked.
As for the rest, take a demo if you're convinced someone is hacking. Personally I find your arguments silly, seeing as how two bites and multiple bullets can land closely together easily - remember, the first bite will feel 'instant' if it lands, only the second will have an actual delay, hence the possibility for rapid death. Not to mention insta-kills when bit by 2 skulks at once.
Anyway, without a demo I'd just assume you're criminally incompetent.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Nov 12 2004, 01:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Nov 12 2004, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not only was it possible to go without a muzzleflash for a very long time, but you could also do third person as well as make pink/green models and stuff like that.
Of course those exploits have been fixed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> While i see how 3rd person was an "exploit" in that you could see around corners, ect...
IT WAS JUST PLAIN FUN...
(not fun like OMG IM HACKING AND KILLING EVERYONE HAHAHA)
but fun in... SCrew actually playing NS... lets al go 3rd person WOOT
Up untill 2.0 (when i left for a while) I saw maybe 3 people hacking in some way, Unfortunately i knew one of the guys, and thought he was good at the game, i wont mention names, but those of u that know him too, know he was found at a lan and had left his ports open, so someone found a "hook" on his HL dir.
Since ive been back (less than a month) I have witnessed in spectator, double the amount, although only on combat servers; using aimbots (very obvious ones, seems to be the type that fires for you too).
For the latest numbers i do blame the introduction of combat, bringing the attention of cheaters to NS. For NS maps there is no real need to cheat, but combats team deathmatch style means that its much more likely to attract those types (imho).
Its a sad thing, and I never agreed with the game mode, even when playtesting 2.1 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As it is, i try not to go on a combat server, unless my mates want to go have a knifeathon <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I remember from my days of playing Jedi Knight online that something like the original poster's suggestion was actually commonplace... There were quite a lot of servers that were exclusively for "hackers." This was a game where you could simply alter a text file to give yourself godmode or make your pistol shoot concussion blasts or god knows what else in online games. People would turn on as many hacks as they could download and join these servers to fly around with godmode, spam the map with explosives, build forts out of spawned objects... And people say hacking in HL mods is easy.
well the only hack that actually is availible to the typical o look i got it from a freee website hacker can only really use lambert and wallhack. which really dosent bother me cuz i have bright gamma and i hear them just as much as they can see me through a wall. [with the exception of silence but i do alot of 180's so im gonna be okay] if you get speed hacker obvously your gonna get then banned DUH! asn the whole aimbot thing for NS is hard to do unless you actually know how to make the hacks. I ve played since the beginig and only come across 2 speed hackers and they left as fast as they came.
<!--QuoteBegin-eKo+Nov 14 2004, 11:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eKo @ Nov 14 2004, 11:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you had a server with cheats turned on then whats stopping everyone from giving themself invincibility?
invincible devouring skulk FTW <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Easily because it would be too obvious.
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Nov 14 2004, 11:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Nov 14 2004, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Xeno does 189 or so, doesn't it?
As for the rest, take a demo if you're convinced someone is hacking. Personally I find your arguments silly, seeing as how two bites and multiple bullets can land closely together easily - remember, the first bite will feel 'instant' if it lands, only the second will have an actual delay, hence the possibility for rapid death. Not to mention insta-kills when bit by 2 skulks at once.
Anyway, without a demo I'd just assume you're criminally incompetent. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Does a demo visualy show, if someone uses an "overadjusted" brightness, in order to have no dark corners on any map? No! Does a demo visualy show, if the guy uses 3rd. Person? No! The problem with demo is that it maybe shows, what the other one is doing, but not his true sight. Maybe you can see if someone uses overspecialized keybinds, like leap and bite bound in one button press. But still demo does not solve everything.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Nov 14 2004, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Nov 14 2004, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can see how stumbling across this game earlier than some other people would make you an excellent judge of skill and whether or not someone hacks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Easy, because actually I am a skilled player myself.
5 month ago my average kill/death ratio was 2,5 to 1, now it is vice versa, and I don´t think that I´ve gotten that worse.
But I have to admit that maybe I am in disadvantage to other players, since I use no special keybinds like leap/bite in one or using an overtuned brightness to have no dark corners in order to see everything.
IMHO these kind of "tuning" is also cheating, so I play with a normal configuration allowed by the regular options menu.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shockwave+Nov 12 2004, 11:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Nov 12 2004, 11:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cow, I suspect it's more to do with esteem issues, really. Being a troll generally has a need to 'be better' than everyone else, I've found. It's just a spectrum with myg0t at one end, and the rest at the other.
- Shockwave <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Trolls are HACK free. Well good trolls anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 15 2004, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 15 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Nov 14 2004, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Nov 14 2004, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can see how stumbling across this game earlier than some other people would make you an excellent judge of skill and whether or not someone hacks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Easy, because actually I am a skilled player myself.
5 month ago my average kill/death ratio was 2,5 to 1, now it is vice versa, and I don´t think that I´ve gotten that worse.
But I have to admit that maybe I am in disadvantage to other players, since I use no special keybinds like leap/bite in one or using an overtuned brightness to have no dark corners in order to see everything.
IMHO these kind of "tuning" is also cheating, so I play with a normal configuration allowed by the regular options menu. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OH please....
Dude unless you play in a competetive area you have no reality on which to measure your skill
So till then you have no grounding on what you consider to be too good or bad
or the guy who magically knew your oh-so-clever hiding spot in power sub, ns_eclipse <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 14 2004, 03:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 14 2004, 03:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can be good, but you will never bring your LMG to 25 damage per bullet. Or those guys with "sniper shotguns", firing every bullet with pinpoint accuracy over distance. I experienced that recently. As well as other strange happenings. Such thing also took place before, but they occur more and more often. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You do realize that the LMG has a ROF of 10/1 right? and deals 10 dmg per bullet. If you have good enough aim you can kill a skulk in 9-13 bullets. Not to mention each lvl upgrade increases the dmg of each gun.
<!--QuoteBegin-the_move+Nov 15 2004, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the_move @ Nov 15 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But I have to admit that maybe I am in disadvantage to other players, since I use no special keybinds like leap/bite in one or using an overtuned brightness to have no dark corners in order to see everything.
IMHO these kind of "tuning" is also cheating, so I play with a normal configuration allowed by the regular options menu. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> so wait, we can take out brightening up the game so people with dark monitors or poor video cards can REALLY be left out. in fact we should remove all "tuning" aspects of the game and just make sure everyone has the EXACT SAME COMPUTERS. that would be ultra fair.
OR we could leave these graphic tuning options PUBLIC (as they already are), so everyone can use them (just search around the forums for video optimization settings). because some people really do have bad monitors, and some people really do need to knock down their graphics detail to get higher fps. you're not morally superior by not using advantages that everyone else does.........................................
<!--QuoteBegin-Photek+Nov 15 2004, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Photek @ Nov 15 2004, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You do realize that the LMG has a ROF of 10/1 right? and deals 10 dmg per bullet. If you have good enough aim you can kill a skulk in 9-13 bullets. Not to mention each lvl upgrade increases the dmg of each gun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes the LMG has a cycling rate of 600 rounds per minute, and the HMG is not much higher either. Some rines somehow have a higher cycling rate, maybe an effect of speedhack. But the LMG does also spray, not every shot has pinpoint accuracy. I experience that often, that even in close combat skulks seem not to be hit by a whole bullet-rain. At least not if I have them in my crosshair somehow.
But if I the skulk somehow some players hit with every single bullet and some even deal more than 13 damage per bullet (LMG with level 3 upgrade), and marines with level 3 LMG are rare in combat mode and also appear only later on ns_maps. Also some players never lose track on other, either as skulk or as rine, may it be as hasty and confusing as it can be. Also rines running as fast as skulks are found on some servers
Yesterday I made another funny experience by biting a AFK Rine as skulk. I bit him at least 7 times. Due to the "chewing-chopping" sound I know I did hit him with every single bite, but somehow it did not affect him much, although he was not wearing a heavy armor. Even with Level 3 armor upgrade a rine with normal armor is not likely to survive 7 skulk bites. He did not have resupply btw.
<!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Nov 16 2004, 04:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Nov 16 2004, 04:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so wait, we can take out brightening up the game so people with dark monitors or poor video cards can REALLY be left out. in fact we should remove all "tuning" aspects of the game and just make sure everyone has the EXACT SAME COMPUTERS. that would be ultra fair.
OR we could leave these graphic tuning options PUBLIC (as they already are), so everyone can use them (just search around the forums for video optimization settings). because some people really do have bad monitors, and some people really do need to knock down their graphics detail to get higher fps. you're not morally superior by not using advantages that everyone else does......................................... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think you have not understood.
Some people play with a level of brightness, which can not be set so high with the normal options menu.
It´s like they turn shadows and darkness completly off. I saw counterstrike players doing the same ****. They could see in dark areas, where you are not supposed to see anything, may it be with a good or bad monitor or videocard.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or those guys with "sniper shotguns", firing every bullet with pinpoint accuracy over distance. I experienced that recently. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The shotgun spread is not random, and remains the same over distance up until its max distance. These people don't cheat, they just know where the pellets land. The inner five pellets can easily hit a skulk across a small room.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes the LMG has a cycling rate of 600 rounds per minute, and the HMG is not much higher either. Some rines somehow have a higher cycling rate, maybe an effect of speedhack.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can gain ~10% faster rate of fire depending on your FPS. This works both ways, with your FPS being able to greatly reduce your rate of fire. Unless it is an ultra blatent emptying of an entire clip in a fraction of a second, he probably just has a "better" FPS than you do. I don't mean higher, as some of the most favourable FPS are on the lower end.
Regarding people you think aim/ damage/ speed hack:
the_move, it's easily possible as someone said before to kill skulks in 10-15 bullets - fewer with upgrades.
lmg rate of fire is actually around 15-16 bullets per second...yes the manual is wrong if you use search im sure there are some threads on it.
The spread of the lmg is really negligable even at medium range and it's quite possible for almost all bullets to hit. meaning death as skulk in almost 0.5sec in some cases, though not many obviously, it is however entirely possible.
it's also possible to snipe with the sg using the modified crosshairs (also around on the forums somewhere) either at any range with one fragment or at medium range with the 5(?) central ones.
It's also relativly easy for good skulk to time their bites and not miss marines by spamming around.
It is possible for marines to go faster by default via several methods: - Bunnyhopping up slopes - Manual wigglewalking (130% boost) - Bunnyjumping on ground (again 130% boost) - Scripted wigglewalking (150% boost(?) ) - Wallstrafing (150% boost) - Or they could just have recieved a cat pack :<
Regarding your own play:
I suggest demoing yourself as marine and skulk to see whether you really are tracking the target at all times..i suspect not.
Other reasons you may have for not being able to kill skulks easily are poor rates or poor rates of the skulk you're firing at. Again there are many guides on these forums as to what rates should be on these forums, gogo search.
Regarding other cheats:
As people have mentioned is posts above the exploits you talked about have been blocked in previous versions, and to my knowledge most abusive exploits (if not all) arn't currently viable.
Wallhacking accusations are also very iffy, you'd be surprised how easy it is to track skulk movements, even in completely seperate rooms by just sound. Though i have seen (one was in my clan) wallhackers, it's very difficult to tell if someone is using one or is just experienced (asin clanning for a long while, not just pubbing) and has some good headphones.
Speedhacks are completely obvious, yes i've seen a few but often the people using them are there just to troll and freely admit they are hacking, (50mph knifing marines for example).
Don't think i missed anything, but basically your posts are pretty much unfounded haxusations.
[edit] I did miss something! added wiggle walking bit.
Its hard to say that people hack in this game unless it is totally obvious because skilled players > not so obvious hacks.
Though I would have to agree I dont like the "tweakability" that people are allowed to do currently some have good reasons for it while others dont. Lets try and leave it at that, I dont want any arguments. Its just my opinion.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But the LMG does also spray, not every shot has pinpoint accuracy. I experience that often, that even in close combat skulks seem not to be hit by a whole bullet-rain. At least not if I have them in my crosshair somehow. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah I feel like that too...and I have no idea other than shooting at the graphic to kill skulks.
But what always bothered me is when I aim a skulk so good I feel like being a human aim-bot, but still don't make the kill.
I did test aim-bots for ns, and the lmg spray does miss sometimes.
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impossible. it was a joke, stupidity or soemething else. it'd help if you posted the link.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You encounter skulks, which never loose track on you during close in, although the bite animation should somehow hinder their sight to a certain degree.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it is called skill. some skulks do not hold their attack key down while charging at a marine.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They can eat more than half of an LMG clip even with not yet having carapace and dealing more damage without focus than me with using it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how do you know? also this, and this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I once got killed by a non focus skulk with one bite although having full 100 health and level 1 armor upgrade (45).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and to a certain extend, this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Also the xenocide, which AFAIK should deal 100 damage to rines seems to deal far more when certain people use it. I got killed by 1 xeno having 100 health and level 2 armor (65). I never killed 4 upgraded rines at ones by xeno, if they have not been damaged before by spores or else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> (except that xeno deals more damage than 100) are all related to lag, crappy hit registry, in general <i>a poor server</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
On the other hand, some rines kill with 1-2 LMG bullets an seem having homing bullets which even hit when you already passed to corners, without having high latency. Also some of them are very sturdy, even taking 4 (non focused) bites and not being resupplied during and they still live on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
also belongs in the "reg" area, see above. also, what fps do you usually get? (cl_showfps 1) i'm getting the feeling that you play on 30 fps or lower, that can be the cause you are missing some actions in the game.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are several other issues, but I do not want to put it up all in here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> if you're actually serious writing this stuff, do post.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I play on 100fps and 40- latency. Further you can hear if someone uses focus by his bite-speed.
If you have focus you cant bite that fast.
Of course those exploits have been fixed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They may have been fixed, but that´s no problem in order to hack them.
look. the only way to confirm this stuff is that you record your combat games. like this:
(type in console)
record demoname
and when you want to stop, type stop.
then go back to the demos, viewdemo demoname, and check for any oddities. if you find something fishy to you, send the demo to someone to let them evaluate it.
No offence, the move, but what you're experiencing is most likely the <i>curse</i> of playing against skilled players.
VAC still doesn't support NS? Thats pretty pathetic valve's behalf.. I swear back when 2.0 first came out (which was about when I quit) they were touting about VAC support upcoming or something.
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Listen fellow, I´ve played this game since the release 1.00 and that´s quite a long time.
Sure there have always been good players, also better than me, but the amount of players who do quite impossible things is tremendously rising.
I may not have as much skill as some other players, but I definately have enough skill and expierience to see, who is a good player or who is simply a hacker.
You can be good, but you will never bring your LMG to 25 damage per bullet. Or those guys with "sniper shotguns", firing every bullet with pinpoint accuracy over distance. I experienced that recently. As well as other strange happenings. Such thing also took place before, but they occur more and more often.
Even when certain functions are locked that does not mean they cant be hacked.
As for the rest, take a demo if you're convinced someone is hacking. Personally I find your arguments silly, seeing as how two bites and multiple bullets can land closely together easily - remember, the first bite will feel 'instant' if it lands, only the second will have an actual delay, hence the possibility for rapid death. Not to mention insta-kills when bit by 2 skulks at once.
Anyway, without a demo I'd just assume you're criminally incompetent.
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While i see how 3rd person was an "exploit" in that you could see around corners, ect...
IT WAS JUST PLAIN FUN...
(not fun like OMG IM HACKING AND KILLING EVERYONE HAHAHA)
but fun in... SCrew actually playing NS... lets al go 3rd person WOOT
~Jason
Unfortunately i knew one of the guys, and thought he was good at the game, i wont mention names, but those of u that know him too, know he was found at a lan and had left his ports open, so someone found a "hook" on his HL dir.
Since ive been back (less than a month) I have witnessed in spectator, double the amount, although only on combat servers; using aimbots (very obvious ones, seems to be the type that fires for you too).
For the latest numbers i do blame the introduction of combat, bringing the attention of cheaters to NS. For NS maps there is no real need to cheat, but combats team deathmatch style means that its much more likely to attract those types (imho).
Its a sad thing, and I never agreed with the game mode, even when playtesting 2.1 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As it is, i try not to go on a combat server, unless my mates want to go have a knifeathon <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Easily because it would be too obvious.
Increased health and damage is less noticable.
As for the rest, take a demo if you're convinced someone is hacking. Personally I find your arguments silly, seeing as how two bites and multiple bullets can land closely together easily - remember, the first bite will feel 'instant' if it lands, only the second will have an actual delay, hence the possibility for rapid death. Not to mention insta-kills when bit by 2 skulks at once.
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Does a demo visualy show, if someone uses an "overadjusted" brightness, in order to have no dark corners on any map? No!
Does a demo visualy show, if the guy uses 3rd. Person? No!
The problem with demo is that it maybe shows, what the other one is doing, but not his true sight.
Maybe you can see if someone uses overspecialized keybinds, like leap and bite bound in one button press.
But still demo does not solve everything.
Easy, because actually I am a skilled player myself.
5 month ago my average kill/death ratio was 2,5 to 1, now it is vice versa, and I don´t think that I´ve gotten that worse.
But I have to admit that maybe I am in disadvantage to other players, since I use no special keybinds like leap/bite in one or using an overtuned brightness to have no dark corners in order to see everything.
IMHO these kind of "tuning" is also cheating, so I play with a normal configuration allowed by the regular options menu.
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Trolls are HACK free. Well good trolls anyway.
I'm a troll and I don't hack.
Easy, because actually I am a skilled player myself.
5 month ago my average kill/death ratio was 2,5 to 1, now it is vice versa, and I don´t think that I´ve gotten that worse.
But I have to admit that maybe I am in disadvantage to other players, since I use no special keybinds like leap/bite in one or using an overtuned brightness to have no dark corners in order to see everything.
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OH please....
Dude unless you play in a competetive area you have no reality on which to measure your skill
So till then you have no grounding on what you consider to be too good or bad
You can be good, but you will never bring your LMG to 25 damage per bullet. Or those guys with "sniper shotguns", firing every bullet with pinpoint accuracy over distance. I experienced that recently. As well as other strange happenings. Such thing also took place before, but they occur more and more often.
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You do realize that the LMG has a ROF of 10/1 right? and deals 10 dmg per bullet.
If you have good enough aim you can kill a skulk in 9-13 bullets. Not to mention each lvl upgrade increases the dmg of each gun.
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so wait, we can take out brightening up the game so people with dark monitors or poor video cards can REALLY be left out. in fact we should remove all "tuning" aspects of the game and just make sure everyone has the EXACT SAME COMPUTERS. that would be ultra fair.
OR we could leave these graphic tuning options PUBLIC (as they already are), so everyone can use them (just search around the forums for video optimization settings). because some people really do have bad monitors, and some people really do need to knock down their graphics detail to get higher fps. you're not morally superior by not using advantages that everyone else does.........................................
You do realize that the LMG has a ROF of 10/1 right? and deals 10 dmg per bullet.
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Yes the LMG has a cycling rate of 600 rounds per minute, and the HMG is not much higher either. Some rines somehow have a higher cycling rate, maybe an effect of speedhack.
But the LMG does also spray, not every shot has pinpoint accuracy. I experience that often, that even in close combat skulks seem not to be hit by a whole bullet-rain. At least not if I have them in my crosshair somehow.
But if I the skulk somehow some players hit with every single bullet and some even deal more than 13 damage per bullet (LMG with level 3 upgrade), and marines with level 3 LMG are rare in combat mode and also appear only later on ns_maps. Also some players never lose track on other, either as skulk or as rine,
may it be as hasty and confusing as it can be. Also rines running as fast as skulks are found on some servers
Yesterday I made another funny experience by biting a AFK Rine as skulk.
I bit him at least 7 times. Due to the "chewing-chopping" sound I know I did hit him with every single bite, but somehow it did not affect him much, although he was not wearing a heavy armor. Even with Level 3 armor upgrade a rine with normal armor is not likely to survive 7 skulk bites. He did not have resupply btw.
OR we could leave these graphic tuning options PUBLIC (as they already are), so everyone can use them (just search around the forums for video optimization settings). because some people really do have bad monitors, and some people really do need to knock down their graphics detail to get higher fps. you're not morally superior by not using advantages that everyone else does......................................... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you have not understood.
Some people play with a level of brightness, which can not be set so high with the normal options menu.
It´s like they turn shadows and darkness completly off. I saw counterstrike players doing the same ****. They could see in dark areas, where you are not supposed to see anything, may it be with a good or bad monitor or videocard.
The shotgun spread is not random, and remains the same over distance up until its max distance. These people don't cheat, they just know where the pellets land. The inner five pellets can easily hit a skulk across a small room.
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You can gain ~10% faster rate of fire depending on your FPS. This works both ways, with your FPS being able to greatly reduce your rate of fire. Unless it is an ultra blatent emptying of an entire clip in a fraction of a second, he probably just has a "better" FPS than you do. I don't mean higher, as some of the most favourable FPS are on the lower end.
the_move, it's easily possible as someone said before to kill skulks in 10-15 bullets - fewer with upgrades.
lmg rate of fire is actually around 15-16 bullets per second...yes the manual is wrong if you use search im sure there are some threads on it.
The spread of the lmg is really negligable even at medium range and it's quite possible for almost all bullets to hit. meaning death as skulk in almost 0.5sec in some cases, though not many obviously, it is however entirely possible.
it's also possible to snipe with the sg using the modified crosshairs (also around on the forums somewhere) either at any range with one fragment or at medium range with the 5(?) central ones.
It's also relativly easy for good skulk to time their bites and not miss marines by spamming around.
It is possible for marines to go faster by default via several methods:
- Bunnyhopping up slopes
- Manual wigglewalking (130% boost)
- Bunnyjumping on ground (again 130% boost)
- Scripted wigglewalking (150% boost(?) )
- Wallstrafing (150% boost)
- Or they could just have recieved a cat pack :<
Regarding your own play:
I suggest demoing yourself as marine and skulk to see whether you really are tracking the target at all times..i suspect not.
Other reasons you may have for not being able to kill skulks easily are poor rates or poor rates of the skulk you're firing at. Again there are many guides on these forums as to what rates should be on these forums, gogo search.
Regarding other cheats:
As people have mentioned is posts above the exploits you talked about have been blocked in previous versions, and to my knowledge most abusive exploits (if not all) arn't currently viable.
Wallhacking accusations are also very iffy, you'd be surprised how easy it is to track skulk movements, even in completely seperate rooms by just sound. Though i have seen (one was in my clan) wallhackers, it's very difficult to tell if someone is using one or is just experienced (asin clanning for a long while, not just pubbing) and has some good headphones.
Speedhacks are completely obvious, yes i've seen a few but often the people using them are there just to troll and freely admit they are hacking, (50mph knifing marines for example).
Don't think i missed anything, but basically your posts are pretty much unfounded haxusations.
[edit] I did miss something! added wiggle walking bit.
Though I would have to agree I dont like the "tweakability" that people are allowed to do currently some have good reasons for it while others dont. Lets try and leave it at that, I dont want any arguments. Its just my opinion.
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Yeah I feel like that too...and I have no idea other than shooting at the graphic to kill skulks.
But what always bothered me is when I aim a skulk so good I feel like being a human aim-bot, but still don't make the kill.
I did test aim-bots for ns, and the lmg spray does miss sometimes.
Skill>Luck
More skill when you already have skill < Luck
Is it like that in all online fps's?