<!--QuoteBegin-Flint Paper+Oct 14 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flint Paper @ Oct 14 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sure it's not legal, as all the third party programs such as Xbox Media Centre and EvolutionX are compiled using a naughty version of the Xbox Developer Kit.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought that stopped the crackers from attempting to make any money out of it, though i actually have no idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Oct 14 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Oct 14 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Flint Paper+Oct 14 2004, 04:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flint Paper @ Oct 14 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sure it's not legal, as all the third party programs such as Xbox Media Centre and EvolutionX are compiled using a naughty version of the Xbox Developer Kit.
Normal emulators are NOT illegal, but ones compiled using the XDK are.
Obviously, it's not a hanging offence and only slightly more naughty than modding a PS2 or suchlike. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, just keep saying that. I'll see you in hell! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You'll be there too? Why, for not repaying your debts? Is that it?
<!--QuoteBegin-Flint Paper+Oct 14 2004, 05:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flint Paper @ Oct 14 2004, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Oct 14 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Oct 14 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Flint Paper+Oct 14 2004, 04:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flint Paper @ Oct 14 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sure it's not legal, as all the third party programs such as Xbox Media Centre and EvolutionX are compiled using a naughty version of the Xbox Developer Kit.
Normal emulators are NOT illegal, but ones compiled using the XDK are.
Obviously, it's not a hanging offence and only slightly more naughty than modding a PS2 or suchlike. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, just keep saying that. I'll see you in hell! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You'll be there too? Why, for not repaying your debts? Is that it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I knew that guilt-ride was coming up!
This happens with every single game, even MORE SO with highly anticipated ones. Why would people be suprised Halo 2 is any different? HL2 will be leaked early as well, just like every other game...
"Leaked", eh? Maybe it's a demo, and when you finish playing through the 1st level, a screen'll pop up, saying "If you liked this, then buy the FULL version!"
No, it's not it's a source leak. It'll come out on nov 9 just like Halo PC came out on said date when it was leaked a month prior to release.
Games that have been leaked prior to release (that I know of)
Half Life 2 Halo PC Doom 3 Sims 2 Zombie Panic (bastage leaker guy...) more... ?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't trust them after the ilovebees bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> speeking of that? anyone looked at ilovebees.com recently?
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Oct 14 2004, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Oct 14 2004, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Every company gets owned by hackers now a days...
+1 vote for the likelyhood of delaying Halo2 another year.
(valve'D) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, I heard they tottaly scrapped Halo 2 and there making it again starting from the beggining; now there just trying to make it more hacker proof.
If you want to have a hacker-proof computer, take it off the net. I doubt someone will be able to access it if you don't have any wires/wireless things <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Most dependent way, but also the most hassle (carrying over files, etc).
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Oct 14 2004, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Oct 14 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> speeking of that? anyone looked at ilovebees.com recently?
<a href='http://ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html' target='_blank'>http://ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> what's this madness? sounds like excerpts from a movie
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Oct 14 2004, 10:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Oct 14 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> More like, every single game ever made since the internet became popular... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...and a lot before the internet was popular.
19 floppies for GTA? Yup.
But yeah, i fail to see how anyone can be shocked about Halo 2 being leaked. Pretty much every single game is leaked, especially in recent years, and it's probably not going to stop for a long time.
Very few games, however, recieve a treatment such as HL2 has. I guess that's a price they pay for developing such a highly anticipated title (And no, not a price they <i>should</i> pay).
The thing is, the dev companies have nothing to do with the leak, or at least very rarely do. Leaks usually occur when it's gone gold, or nearly there. They happen when it goes to mass production or from review copies that are distributed far and wide. They also come from retailers since they still recieve a game before it's actual release date. Infact, any link in the fairly long chain from developer to retail stores it could get leaked at, and probably will be at the first given opportunity. You have to be pretty niave to believe that this doesn't happen all the time, especially with a title such as Halo 2.
Oh and yeah, i own a softmodded Xbox, did it myself and i will say right now, XBMC is the best damn thing to happen to a console ever. I can simply ftp anime and the like straight onto my Xbox's HDD and watch them through XBMC, gone are the days of having to watch through my crappy little monitor, hello big tv. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-<[POOP]> Akira+Oct 14 2004, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (<[POOP]> Akira @ Oct 14 2004, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you listen to them all they really start to fit together... Well thats one someone told me... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just listened to all of them so far... really deep story... I need more...
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Oct 15 2004, 02:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Oct 15 2004, 02:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can a softmodded Xbox still get onto Live, or do they hunt you down for that? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When you run the normal XBox bits, it works like a normal XBox (just like a hardmodded XBox). Oh, and you don't NEED Bond. You can do it with MechAssault, which is cheaper <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But then you need a USB thumbdrive and a Controller USB adapter (for some game, PSO maybe? You can get them free from M$ if you're clever). A few copies here and there, and voila, softmodded. I watched a guy do it in 5 minutes. IIRC Microsoft still hasn't fixed the problem in MA which lets you do this in the firstplace (it is THEIR game). If I didn't already have a media comp, I'd buy an XBox and do this. Oh, and on a totally unrelated note, you can run OS X on your XBox (albeit at uber-slow speeds). I borrowed a copy from my school to test this on my comp (same procedure, minus the softmod) and a 3.6GHz P4 is capable of emulating OS X Panther at the WHOPPING speed of 700MHz (running as a G3 :S).
Back on topic: As people have said, every game is leaked pretty much. Just nobody cares unless its a biggie like Halo 2 or HL2. Sucks for Bungie, but I read on slashdot that its a French version, so that should at least help them slightly. People will probably want the story, and unless you want to learn French... Damn now I want to buy an XBox and Halo 2. It'll take forever for the PC port (if they know whats good for them, they'll have one).
if they knew what was good, they would have Halo 2 MP able to play on PC and xbox on the same server...but they are so stuck on making it XBOX exclusive they don't do it
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Oct 14 2004, 10:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Oct 14 2004, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is Halo 2 going to be ported to PC? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If it's anything like the PC version of Halo, then lets hope not.
Maybe developers should spend more money on better security techniques. I don't want to start a flame war about steam butit does seem like a secure way of game delivery <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We will see how many steam versions of HL2 are hacked.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rue+Oct 15 2004, 08:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rue @ Oct 15 2004, 08:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe developers should spend more money on better security techniques. I don't want to start a flame war about steam butit does seem like a secure way of game delivery <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We will see how many steam versions of HL2 are hacked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Read my post above.
There are untrustworthy people everywhere, be they cd/dvd manufacturers, people working the factories, distribution places, retail stores, magazines, hell, pretty much everywhere, each one can serve to leak a game pre-release. Roughly 99% of leaked games do <i>not</i> come straight from the development team.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Oct 15 2004, 04:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Oct 15 2004, 04:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is Halo 2 going to be ported to PC? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If it sells poorly, yes it will, fairly fast. If it sells well... well good luck seeing it this year or next.
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I thought that stopped the crackers from attempting to make any money out of it, though i actually have no idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Normal emulators are NOT illegal, but ones compiled using the XDK are.
Obviously, it's not a hanging offence and only slightly more naughty than modding a PS2 or suchlike. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, just keep saying that. I'll see you in hell! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You'll be there too? Why, for not repaying your debts? Is that it?
Normal emulators are NOT illegal, but ones compiled using the XDK are.
Obviously, it's not a hanging offence and only slightly more naughty than modding a PS2 or suchlike. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, just keep saying that. I'll see you in hell! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You'll be there too? Why, for not repaying your debts? Is that it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I knew that guilt-ride was coming up!
+1 vote for the likelyhood of delaying Halo2 another year.
(valve'D)
I don't trust them after the ilovebees bit.
Games that have been leaked prior to release (that I know of)
Half Life 2
Halo PC
Doom 3
Sims 2
Zombie Panic (bastage leaker guy...)
more... ?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't trust them after the ilovebees bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
speeking of that? anyone looked at ilovebees.com recently?
<a href='http://ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html' target='_blank'>http://ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html</a>
+1 vote for the likelyhood of delaying Halo2 another year.
(valve'D) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, I heard they tottaly scrapped Halo 2 and there making it again starting from the beggining; now there just trying to make it more hacker proof.
Most dependent way, but also the most hassle (carrying over files, etc).
I go onto the site then... well I'm sure you guys know.
seriously.
I go onto the site then... well I'm sure you guys know. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Run a search
<a href='http://ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html' target='_blank'>http://ilovebees.com/humptydumpty.html</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what's this madness? sounds like excerpts from a movie
...and a lot before the internet was popular.
19 floppies for GTA? Yup.
But yeah, i fail to see how anyone can be shocked about Halo 2 being leaked. Pretty much every single game is leaked, especially in recent years, and it's probably not going to stop for a long time.
Very few games, however, recieve a treatment such as HL2 has. I guess that's a price they pay for developing such a highly anticipated title (And no, not a price they <i>should</i> pay).
The thing is, the dev companies have nothing to do with the leak, or at least very rarely do. Leaks usually occur when it's gone gold, or nearly there. They happen when it goes to mass production or from review copies that are distributed far and wide. They also come from retailers since they still recieve a game before it's actual release date. Infact, any link in the fairly long chain from developer to retail stores it could get leaked at, and probably will be at the first given opportunity. You have to be pretty niave to believe that this doesn't happen all the time, especially with a title such as Halo 2.
Oh and yeah, i own a softmodded Xbox, did it myself and i will say right now, XBMC is the best damn thing to happen to a console ever. I can simply ftp anime and the like straight onto my Xbox's HDD and watch them through XBMC, gone are the days of having to watch through my crappy little monitor, hello big tv. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I just listened to all of them so far... really deep story...
I need more...
When you run the normal XBox bits, it works like a normal XBox (just like a hardmodded XBox). Oh, and you don't NEED Bond. You can do it with MechAssault, which is cheaper <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But then you need a USB thumbdrive and a Controller USB adapter (for some game, PSO maybe? You can get them free from M$ if you're clever). A few copies here and there, and voila, softmodded. I watched a guy do it in 5 minutes. IIRC Microsoft still hasn't fixed the problem in MA which lets you do this in the firstplace (it is THEIR game). If I didn't already have a media comp, I'd buy an XBox and do this. Oh, and on a totally unrelated note, you can run OS X on your XBox (albeit at uber-slow speeds). I borrowed a copy from my school to test this on my comp (same procedure, minus the softmod) and a 3.6GHz P4 is capable of emulating OS X Panther at the WHOPPING speed of 700MHz (running as a G3 :S).
Back on topic:
As people have said, every game is leaked pretty much. Just nobody cares unless its a biggie like Halo 2 or HL2. Sucks for Bungie, but I read on slashdot that its a French version, so that should at least help them slightly. People will probably want the story, and unless you want to learn French... Damn now I want to buy an XBox and Halo 2. It'll take forever for the PC port (if they know whats good for them, they'll have one).
If it's anything like the PC version of Halo, then lets hope not.
We will see how many steam versions of HL2 are hacked.
We will see how many steam versions of HL2 are hacked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post above.
There are untrustworthy people everywhere, be they cd/dvd manufacturers, people working the factories, distribution places, retail stores, magazines, hell, pretty much everywhere, each one can serve to leak a game pre-release. Roughly 99% of leaked games do <i>not</i> come straight from the development team.
If it sells poorly, yes it will, fairly fast. If it sells well... well good luck seeing it this year or next.