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Don't forget..... the G-Man seems to have his own personal, flawless, teleportation device. He just disappears and appears in all kinds of places. He is also invincible.
So he can't attack. So what? Just let Freeman hold his hand (so they both teleport at the same time) and stand behind him, with a gauss cannon over the G-Man's shoulder, and the G-Man teleporting in ammo. The Guass can shoot through walls, and if they're ever in a zero-g situation, can also allow them to use it as an engine, or in low/normal-g situations, use it as a jump booster.
Then there's Barney and Shepherd, both of whom are mean in their own right. The G-Man would surely track Barney down, bring him back, and recall Shepherd from the tram (who'd probably be suitably insane from so much time alone by then), and send them off fighting. Also "Xen is in their control" apparantly, so whether that means just the planet/dimension, or also control of all the aliens remains to be seen. Plus it also puts the whole Black Mesa universe up there in the "corporations that own a planet because they're so big" rank.
<!--QuoteBegin-marce+Sep 25 2004, 07:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (marce @ Sep 25 2004, 07:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> do i smell a merger? now that would be fun...
"Welcome to Weyland's Umbrella UAC-Mesa Complex, where all your dreams become reality: y'know, the nightmares... Let's just hope you didn't forget your flashlight, crowbar or Milla Jovovich" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I know MY Milla comes in very handy all the time. When there's nothing on TV, you can just stare at it, and when you need someone to do some ****-kicking for you, she's right there! It's fantastic.
Here's a scenario for you, involving Black Mesa and Weyland/Yutani only for simplicity purposes, this could be carried over to most everyone but TriOp without difficulty:
Black Mesa is enjoying itself deep under ground, with their long tram rides and help of Gordon Freeman and the G-Man. Weyland/Yutani on the other hand has a ship the size of the Sulaco in orbit, hell bent on finding BMRF and destroying it. Among the Sulacos cargo of marines, guns, powerloaders, dropships, and tactical nukes, they have a bunch of Xenomorph eggs...but those are kind of irrelevant at the moment.
So, like the uber-political and military power they are, Weyland/Yutani orders that our Sulaco sized ship here launch its arsenal of nuclear warheads at the desert where the BMRF sits. Of course they know where it is, they can do thermal scans from orbit. (Seen AvP?)
Of course, underneath the surface at BMRF they have no idea what's going on, Barney is being stupid, Gordon is late, and G-man...well he has a briefcase. That is until all hell comes raining down on their heads, from orbit. And where can they go? Nowhere. The bombardment of NUKES is going to eventually vaporize every single living thing there.
Weyland/Yutani: 1 Black Mesa Research Facility: 0
This could be carried over to Umbrella (Racoon City sucks, they'd be doing a favor by nuking it out of the pages of history), and the UAC on Mars would be obliterated from orbit too...im certain that Mars base is their pride and Joy.
Battling TriOp on the other hand would probably turn out to be a decade long war, just because both Weyland/Yutani and TriOp own the universe and have enough resources to keep at it forever.
I think the biggest picture of BMRF has been missed here. The G-Man has <i>clients</i> that he works for. <b><i><u>Clients</u></i></b>. Think about that. These clients were controlling the entire BMRF encounter with the alien hordes from Xen. If you zoom ahead to Half Life 2, these guys are probably the ones controlling earth (the Combine) or they are controlling the combine, which is controlling earth.
Clients > G-Man > Gordon.
BMRF, through its employee Gordon Freeman, has connections to forces infinitely more powerful than anything those patsy companies and corporations can bring out of their best labs. The only company that could come close to BMRF is the UAC, who opened a portal to Hell. Of course the main problem is that Hell, in the Doom series, is weakened to only physical properties. If Hell actually had a powerful spiritual component to it, along with the physical, it could very well take on the Clients of BMRF. However, Doom's Hell is more just another Dimension based on physical pain and destruction. Therefore, Doom's Hell would be no match for the Clients.
I dont see how a gateway to Hell would be usefull in any circumstances, I mean if you want to commit suicide fine by me but it does seem rpetty useless.
BMRF teleportation is better than the UAC since the UAC needs an exit pad, whereas the BMRF just need to goto Xen and set up another machine configured to the right co-ordinates but this still has limited range.
Umbrella can be rulled out right away other than bio warefare which is useless against robots/protective clothing.
The UAC could play a part in the fight but in doom 3 its what 2100 or somthing or there abouts, Im not sure when Aliens take place but Riply was is stasis for 60 or 600 years between the first two films meaning that its way off the time scail. Tri Op in SS1 its 2072 and SS2 is 2132, July 21st to be exact.
boo, BMRF shouldn't be winning. They should be losing if anything, given how they can't control their own experiment.. at least UAC knew it was unlocking Hell when it did.
Weyland/Yutani doesnt care about G-Mans contacts and clients, and they dont care about the personal Mars-only gateway to hell that the UAC managed to open, when they don't even have to land on the planet to pwn it. I hope this picture helps to paint the...picture...for you. You can include Umbrella with this picture, too. TriOp, like I said before, would be a bigger problem for Weyland/Yutani to fight.
G-man has invincibility, this can be exploited. Weyland, Umbrella, or anyone else can grab him, and just drop him off of the edge of the level...jeez. Everyone knows there is no way to get back up without noclip, and he doesnt have noclip.
Either that, or I can be realistic about this, and they can just launch him into outer space, let him float around for an eternity, maybe meet God. (Har, har...Futurama.)
Why not read my above post and cry. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
im willing to bet if weyland captured g-man, stuck a facehugger to his face, nothing would happen, hed stand there for all eternity. Then he would walk into a trigger that made his dissapear AFTER the chestburster comes out... thats whats wierd about g-man. and he would go around with a hole in him. just like that.
Ok, so Weyland parks its uber ship in orbit and is about to nuke earth into a glass parking lot. Then G-man teleports gordon, an army of Barneys and 300 billion pounds of Tau Cannon ammo onto the bridge of the ship and they procede to kill everyone and everything in it, take it over and go blow stuff up with it.
UAC opens a portal to hell and BM opens a portal to Xen and all the aliens fight and stuff until the Uber Ship BM stole blows up Mars.
Things are looking good for BM until TriOptimum comes, bringing with it a bunch of those alien things and the Shodan AI and nanites. Gman gives Gordon, Marine, and System Shock Guy a job offer they can't refuse, and then they go kill everything until Black Mesa wins.
(Umbrella Corp has no uber spaceships, or killer AI's or hero character, and everyone has zombies so they just surrender)
Barney is retarded, the entire army of Barney would be owned by the hundreds (if not thousands) of USCMC personnel on the battleship. Gordon wouldn't be able to fight against that kind of firepower on his own, and G-man is just invincible.
Also, all of that ammunition would probably end up getting teleported INTO G-man, Gordon, and Barney(s), horribly disfiguring them. While the crew of the Sulaco just stand back and laugh, then purge them all out of the airlock into a new dimension of pain and suffering...'cept G-man, who will just float around.
The end.
*edit* I do realise that both the Doom guy and Gordon fought back entire invasions, but neither invasion force had motion tracking or weapons that can auto-track enemies, with uber-armor piercing guided bullets. Oh, and they have flamethrowers..too.
As I remember it they had their ferrous compound they called Iron oxide (which convienently enough is Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>3</span> and is a real compound. However, what's not convienent is the fact there is absoulutely no Hydrogen in this formula. Since they talk about splitting the molecule (not atoms, there's now fission involved here). It's just a BS video on the Hydrocon. Since:
the best you get is 2Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>3</span> -unknown reactant-> 4Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span> + 3O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>.
And you know they're not talking about fission, or they would have noted that as a power source instead of the burning of hydrogen (and elements lighter than iron are inefficiently fissioned. They take less energy to fuse than to seperate).
Hopefully we've all learned how ID doesn't know anything about physics and chemistry and how their entire UAC company must be a shoddy reason for putting a base on the Mars. It's like playing an R rated StarTrek with all the technobabble flying around <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> - even if it is presented nicely.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Sep 25 2004, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Sep 25 2004, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *edit* I do realise that both the Doom guy and Gordon fought back entire invasions, but neither invasion force had motion tracking or weapons that can auto-track enemies, with uber-armor piercing guided bullets. Oh, and they have flamethrowers..too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Too bad the DOOM guy can <b>outrun his own rockets</b>. Now, how many people do you know that can do that? That's right.
The UED should be up there. Even Hell's legions couldn't stand up to the Zerg. So they shoot fireballs, big deal. Hydralisks shoot spikes that can pierce ANY KNOWN FAKE ARMOR. Plus, they're alot scarier looking than anything Doom has.
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Sep 25 2004, 01:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Sep 25 2004, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Sep 25 2004, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Sep 25 2004, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *edit* I do realise that both the Doom guy and Gordon fought back entire invasions, but neither invasion force had motion tracking or weapons that can auto-track enemies, with uber-armor piercing guided bullets. Oh, and they have flamethrowers..too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Too bad the DOOM guy can <b>outrun his own rockets</b>. Now, how many people do you know that can do that? That's right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hahaha, you could do that in Doom and Doom 2 with the 'Legacy' launcher.
Fire, Strafe to the left or right, and start running for dear life. Then, strafe back into the path of the rocket and watch it smack into you.
The BMRF has the G-Man. The G-Man: <ul><li>Can open portals to alternate dimensions.</li><li>Is immortal and invincible.</li><li>Can teleport himself and anything else instantly.</li><li>Has no known weaknesses.</li><li>Seems to be able to control space and time.</li></ul>
The G-MAN has the mysterious thing about him that gets the ladies. He could open an alternate dimension, go through it with say, 100 women, impregnate them, and breed an army with a single purpose: Smoking everyone who thinks BMRF can't win. Even if that were to fail he could go back into time and kill all the corporate founders while they were on the toilet. And EVEN IF THAT FAILED...I already played the "you cant do anything to disprove me because I invoked magic" thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Sep 25 2004, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Sep 25 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But G-man is also uncool. Which gives BMRF an instant lose.
Even if Weyland/Yutani and TriOp dont smoke them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What are you talking about?! The G-Man is so cool. He's one of my favorite video-game characters.
Of course, I'm always rooting for the sneaky, underhanded, decietful character...
meh, the best way to kill g-man would be not to shoot him, but to make his body unuseable. same thing with zombies. If you cant kill it, at least make it so they cant do anything to you. unuseable= rip limbs off, crush head, split torso etc.
Except that bullets bounce off of him. And I'm pretty sure a knife won't work if a bullet doesn't. And, even if The G-Man were captured, he could teleport away and leave a hoarde of angry Xen grunts in his place.
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So he can't attack. So what? Just let Freeman hold his hand (so they both teleport at the same time) and stand behind him, with a gauss cannon over the G-Man's shoulder, and the G-Man teleporting in ammo. The Guass can shoot through walls, and if they're ever in a zero-g situation, can also allow them to use it as an engine, or in low/normal-g situations, use it as a jump booster.
Then there's Barney and Shepherd, both of whom are mean in their own right. The G-Man would surely track Barney down, bring him back, and recall Shepherd from the tram (who'd probably be suitably insane from so much time alone by then), and send them off fighting. Also "Xen is in their control" apparantly, so whether that means just the planet/dimension, or also control of all the aliens remains to be seen. Plus it also puts the whole Black Mesa universe up there in the "corporations that own a planet because they're so big" rank.
"Welcome to Weyland's Umbrella UAC-Mesa Complex, where all your dreams become reality: y'know, the nightmares... Let's just hope you didn't forget your flashlight, crowbar or Milla Jovovich" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know MY Milla comes in very handy all the time. When there's nothing on TV, you can just stare at it, and when you need someone to do some ****-kicking for you, she's right there! It's fantastic.
Black Mesa is enjoying itself deep under ground, with their long tram rides and help of Gordon Freeman and the G-Man. Weyland/Yutani on the other hand has a ship the size of the Sulaco in orbit, hell bent on finding BMRF and destroying it. Among the Sulacos cargo of marines, guns, powerloaders, dropships, and tactical nukes, they have a bunch of Xenomorph eggs...but those are kind of irrelevant at the moment.
So, like the uber-political and military power they are, Weyland/Yutani orders that our Sulaco sized ship here launch its arsenal of nuclear warheads at the desert where the BMRF sits. Of course they know where it is, they can do thermal scans from orbit. (Seen AvP?)
Of course, underneath the surface at BMRF they have no idea what's going on, Barney is being stupid, Gordon is late, and G-man...well he has a briefcase. That is until all hell comes raining down on their heads, from orbit. And where can they go? Nowhere. The bombardment of NUKES is going to eventually vaporize every single living thing there.
Weyland/Yutani: 1
Black Mesa Research Facility: 0
This could be carried over to Umbrella (Racoon City sucks, they'd be doing a favor by nuking it out of the pages of history), and the UAC on Mars would be obliterated from orbit too...im certain that Mars base is their pride and Joy.
Battling TriOp on the other hand would probably turn out to be a decade long war, just because both Weyland/Yutani and TriOp own the universe and have enough resources to keep at it forever.
Clients > G-Man > Gordon.
BMRF, through its employee Gordon Freeman, has connections to forces infinitely more powerful than anything those patsy companies and corporations can bring out of their best labs. The only company that could come close to BMRF is the UAC, who opened a portal to Hell. Of course the main problem is that Hell, in the Doom series, is weakened to only physical properties. If Hell actually had a powerful spiritual component to it, along with the physical, it could very well take on the Clients of BMRF. However, Doom's Hell is more just another Dimension based on physical pain and destruction. Therefore, Doom's Hell would be no match for the Clients.
BMRF wins. See, it really is all who you know.
BMRF teleportation is better than the UAC since the UAC needs an exit pad, whereas the BMRF just need to goto Xen and set up another machine configured to the right co-ordinates but this still has limited range.
Umbrella can be rulled out right away other than bio warefare which is useless against robots/protective clothing.
The UAC could play a part in the fight but in doom 3 its what 2100 or somthing or there abouts, Im not sure when Aliens take place but Riply was is stasis for 60 or 600 years between the first two films meaning that its way off the time scail. Tri Op in SS1 its 2072 and SS2 is 2132, July 21st to be exact.
Nice little time line:
Umbrella - BMRF - Tri-Op - UAC - Weyland
<img src='http://img81.exs.cx/img81/8517/adsf.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I hope I dont have to make many more of these pictures to prove my point!1!1
Don't let the fact that this is a HL mod bias your opinions on which Company would win, either.
Even all of the action heroes combining forces vs the g-man wont work as even the mighty Gordon knows all to well...
Either that, or I can be realistic about this, and they can just launch him into outer space, let him float around for an eternity, maybe meet God. (Har, har...Futurama.)
just like that.
UAC opens a portal to hell and BM opens a portal to Xen and all the aliens fight and stuff until the Uber Ship BM stole blows up Mars.
Things are looking good for BM until TriOptimum comes, bringing with it a bunch of those alien things and the Shodan AI and nanites. Gman gives Gordon, Marine, and System Shock Guy a job offer they can't refuse, and then they go kill everything until Black Mesa wins.
(Umbrella Corp has no uber spaceships, or killer AI's or hero character, and everyone has zombies so they just surrender)
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Also, all of that ammunition would probably end up getting teleported INTO G-man, Gordon, and Barney(s), horribly disfiguring them. While the crew of the Sulaco just stand back and laugh, then purge them all out of the airlock into a new dimension of pain and suffering...'cept G-man, who will just float around.
The end.
*edit* I do realise that both the Doom guy and Gordon fought back entire invasions, but neither invasion force had motion tracking or weapons that can auto-track enemies, with uber-armor piercing guided bullets. Oh, and they have flamethrowers..too.
As I remember it they had their ferrous compound they called Iron oxide (which convienently enough is Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>3</span> and is a real compound. However, what's not convienent is the fact there is absoulutely no Hydrogen in this formula. Since they talk about splitting the molecule (not atoms, there's now fission involved here). It's just a BS video on the Hydrocon. Since:
Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>3</span> -unknown reactant-> O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span> + H<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span> is completely false,
the best you get is
2Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>3</span> -unknown reactant-> 4Fe<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span> + 3O<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>.
And you know they're not talking about fission, or they would have noted that as a power source instead of the burning of hydrogen (and elements lighter than iron are inefficiently fissioned. They take less energy to fuse than to seperate).
Hopefully we've all learned how ID doesn't know anything about physics and chemistry and how their entire UAC company must be a shoddy reason for putting a base on the Mars. It's like playing an R rated StarTrek with all the technobabble flying around <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> - even if it is presented nicely.
Too bad the DOOM guy can <b>outrun his own rockets</b>. Now, how many people do you know that can do that? That's right.
A zergling could take down the gman.
UED > alll.
Too bad the DOOM guy can <b>outrun his own rockets</b>. Now, how many people do you know that can do that? That's right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hahaha, you could do that in Doom and Doom 2 with the 'Legacy' launcher.
Fire, Strafe to the left or right, and start running for dear life.
Then, strafe back into the path of the rocket and watch it smack into you.
Best.
Death.
Evar!!! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
green pixies to the rescue!
<ul><li>Can open portals to alternate dimensions.</li><li>Is immortal and invincible.</li><li>Can teleport himself and anything else instantly.</li><li>Has no known weaknesses.</li><li>Seems to be able to control space and time.</li></ul>
Even if Weyland/Yutani and TriOp dont smoke them.
Even if Weyland/Yutani and TriOp dont smoke them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about?! The G-Man is so cool. He's one of my favorite video-game characters.
Of course, I'm always rooting for the sneaky, underhanded, decietful character...
unuseable= rip limbs off, crush head, split torso etc.