As much as you don't want to hear it, I'm going to agree with the group against you getting involved with this girl.
You're still a kid, and she already has a kid. The fact that a 22 year old woman who already has a child is interested in a teenage boy from the other side of the world should be setting off alarms right there. There is nothing wrong with being friends with someone, but I would advice against any romantic relationship whatsoever.
And don't do anything drastic. Do not go to Europe, whether its on your parents money or not. If she is so nuts to see you she will pay for it, fine. If she wants to come to you, fine. But don't you go wasting your cash to go see her. You might be in a rebelious phase right now (admit it, that's what you are in) and it might seem like a good idea, but it won't be. You don't travel halfway around the world just for a date, so don't kid yourself about that.
And yes, I read your posts. Again, I know this isn't the answer you want, but listen to reason rather than the talking head in your pants. Take our advice, and don't screw up your life.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
we've talked about and considered that she talk to my parents. we haven't decided on any specific plan of action yet. i haven't sat down and had an official talk with my parents about this yet.. just glancing or happy/idealistic conversations about it.
today, my mother just felt like coming out with a decisive and somewhat disdainful "oh.. i never told you? you're not going." that's my reason for this post... mostly venting, but also for advice.
I honestly doubt I would be for you going to europe to see some woman if I were there at the moment. I know it's hard, but there is no way you can say this that makes it sound like the right thing to do, idealisticly, you could go to europe and spend time with this person pretty much the way you imagine it would happen, but you know as well as I do that reality rarely works out as well as idealism. If you do have a chance, it would involve your parents comunicating with Julia... What parent in thier right mind would let thier kid go to europe to see someone that they don't know at all based on his lovestruck words alone? If you were just one of my friends I would have trouble doing that...
Your parents are just trying to protect you from yourself. I sincerely doubt they stay up at night in a pirate outfit going "yarrr, how can we make our son's life more miserable tommare? Yarrr!!1111". Your parents are making the right decision by not allowing you to go. If they let you go, they would be horrible parents.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
you guys are looking at this like stock brokers, like it's an INVESTMENT... maybe i'm a ****, but i'm willing to sacrifice money (which, after all, is NOT the most important thing to me) for love.
i do plan to have them talk to her and maybe even get to know her a little.. them liking her would be good, and make this plenty easier. would i sound a little spiteful if i said that, if it didn't work in my favor, i wouldn't give even a fraction of a sh*t if they approve of any girlfriend i've ever or will ever have?
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
on a side note, it's not just the money issue that you guys may be misjudging me about.
i have NO qualms about devoting time, feeling, stress, heartbreak, or ANYTHING, for love.
if i was a mean person, i would say something like, "if you go into every relationship wondering if the profit yield will exceed the original investment, then you seriously need to rethink your interpersonal relations."
<!--QuoteBegin-Dragon_Mech+Jun 20 2004, 03:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Jun 20 2004, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Love is like a rhino - if there is no path, it will make a path.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Crash of Rhinoes (sp?). Magic: The Gathering
But I digress.
Be careful what you do, Zig. You may love this girl, and she you, but if you approach your situation the wrong way you could severely mess things up. Though I think that goes without saying.
Weird case... I don't see why women couldn't love younger men , yet it's a strong tradition in many cultures to never let the son to marry someone older than him. It holds no ground imho ; my cynical advice would be to go to Europe to meet her (that can't be a bad thing) , and hope your parents will forgive you. It is understandable that they are afraid of what you're about to do , but they shouldn't hate you for being passionate.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you sound like a young me. and by that i mean that you sound like me right now. except i have good parents and dont ever tell them about my woman troubles, or about my women at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also , keep in mind that "their" money is your money (it will be yours eventually) so if you know of a responsible way of spending a small amount of your parent's money then it is not morally wrong to take it. Just be careful with the amount - money can tear families apart , trust me on that...
I'd have to agree with DoomManiac, don't screw up your life man. Your parents are most likely doing their best to raise you, and if not, not letting you go is still in your best interest.
Being roughly the same age, I'd like to toss in my two cents on this one. First off, I have to agree with DOOManiac with pretty much everything he says. Secondly, and I regrettably speak from experience, no matter how awful your parents seem to be, they really do try to do what's best for you. They are only looking after the most secure path through life for you, nothing less. If there is any way that they can see you falling, they will most likely try their best to keep you from that situation. Even if your parents aren't looking out for you, even if they are only plotting against you, they are still your parents and should always be given respect, no matter how horrible they seem to be. I'm sure many more here than just myself have come from a troubled home, though I certainly understand if they don't see things the way I do, but I digress. If you really do want to see this girl, then you need to wait and do so on your own time, with your own expenses. Though keep in mind, that an internet relationship really isn't all you might think it is. The problem with internet relationships is this: Because of the completely virtual setting, one often has a hard time imagining any imperfections in the other person. The other might seem wonderful, and even if she is, you won't necessarily know that until you meet. Even so, you don't need to steal from your parents, even if you do pay them back. That's still just as irresponsible, not to mention, it sounds like this girl needs to be with someone who's a little more patient/secure anyways.
In summation, wait it out. The webcam thing sounds like a good idea if you haven't done so already. Please don't punish your parents for trying to stop you from being a prodigal son, even in the name of love. Hopefully, other people don't need to be prodigal in order to see a method through which they may find true happiness.
Best of luck to you throughout this entire turn of events, and may your life find balance through a path lacking ill will.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
edited June 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Somnius+Jun 20 2004, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Somnius @ Jun 20 2004, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being roughly the same age, I'd like to toss in my two cents on this one. First off, I have to agree with DOOManiac with pretty much everything he says. Secondly, and I regrettably speak from experience, no matter how awful your parents seem to be, they really do try to do what's best for you. They are only looking after the most secure path through life for you, nothing less. If there is any way that they can see you falling, they will most likely try their best to keep you from that situation. Even if your parents aren't looking out for you, even if they are only plotting against you, they are still your parents and should always be given respect, no matter how horrible they seem to be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i understand it, but i'll risk sounding like a linkin park angst queen to offer that you really don't know my parents until you've lived with them. they're just no good. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sure many more here than just myself have come from a troubled home, though I certainly understand if they don't see things the way I do, but I digress. If you really do want to see this girl, then you need to wait and do so on your own time, with your own expenses. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> plan to. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Though keep in mind, that an internet relationship really isn't all you might think it is. The problem with internet relationships is this: Because of the completely virtual setting, one often has a hard time imagining any imperfections in the other person. The other might seem wonderful, and even if she is, you won't necessarily know that until you meet. Even so, you don't need to steal from your parents, even if you do pay them back. That's still just as irresponsible, not to mention, it sounds like this girl needs to be with someone who's a little more patient/secure anyways.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> -i understand the implications of an internet relationship. fortunately, not all the relationship has been over the internet. this would be the first time i see her with my parents' knowledge/consent.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Best of luck to you throughout this entire turn of events, and may your life find balance through a path lacking ill will.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thanks.
_________
<!--QuoteBegin-the hero+bove--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the hero @ bove)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and if not, not letting you go is still in your best interest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Leaderz0rz+Jun 21 2004, 01:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Leaderz0rz @ Jun 21 2004, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> taking somthing without permission is stealing, they brought you into the world and have fed, clothed, taught, you for 17 years, they deserve everything. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No they dont..
I understand that you don't mind taking some risks and gambling a little Zig, but you really need to consider your future on this. I think the first step you need to take, if you have not already, is to secure a good job and save a lot of money. If you can just do that much, then the situation becomes infinitely better.
I'd say, that getting a college degree of some kind and finding a proffession is very important, this whole thing couldn't have happened at a worse time in your life. Sure you want to join the marines, but its not all fun and games in there, I have several friends who figured it was a cakewalk and are now reeling from the blow. Perhaps you do like weapons and military stuff, but if you do join, it will be a long while before you truely see any of that I should think.
Your best bet is to secure your life Educationally and Financially, you sound like a bright kid and quite capable of doing so, but this whole situation could throw your life off track, and the older you get, the harder it is to go back and get an education, especially if you need money from your parents. The way I see it, if you completely blow your parents away with how well you do at this stage of your life, you might completely shake their foundations of how they see you.
I say that because I am on the verge of doing so to my mother (I live with her, my parents are divorced), she thinks I am a good for nothing slacker it seems, and while I can't hate her for it, I refuse to agree. My brother is more the golden child however, as he was accepted to UT Austin, has a stable job (which was handed to him on a silver platter) and is good to go grade wise.
However now it is my turn, and I refuse to let my mother's beliefs hold me down. I'm about to become a certified Pharmacy Technician, mostly on my own, I already have lined up a job as a shoe salesmen and I am about to rock the house so to speak (grade wise) in college, and possibly go into Pharmacy.
<b>She</b> however does not know this, nor does she believe me capable of it, however I know a secret; the key to accomplishing all of this is hard work, and when I am done with this my first words to her will be "<i>In your face</i>".
<!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Jun 20 2004, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Jun 20 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also , keep in mind that "their" money is your money (it will be yours eventually) so if you know of a responsible way of spending a small amount of your parent's money then it is not morally wrong to take it. Just be careful with the amount - money can tear families apart , trust me on that... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This, my friends, is 100% Grade A Whole Beef Bull****.
It is *NOT* your money. It is their money. And taking something that doesn't belong to you, no matter how you try to justify it, makes you a thief. And a thief that steals from his own family is the lowest kind of thief.
To say it isn't morally wrong to take it because you might get some inheritance when they die (hopefully a long time from now) is not only ignorant and disrespectful.. its... its part of the reason why the world is so screwed up today, that this kind of thought can even cross your mind long enough to type it out...
(Note: Zig, this isn't directed towards you, its towards the **** who steals from his parents)
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Jun 20 2004, 07:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Jun 20 2004, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you guys are looking at this like stock brokers, like it's an INVESTMENT... maybe i'm a ****, but i'm willing to sacrifice money (which, after all, is NOT the most important thing to me) for love. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not about the money. Its about you still being a kid yourself wanting to run away to another freaking country just for a date with some girl who is more than likely just using you.
You are only 17. Despite what you might think, you are still a complete nub to the world. Everyone is when they are 17. And 18. and 19. And... Well you get the picture.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 20 2004, 11:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 20 2004, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Jun 20 2004, 09:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Jun 20 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also , keep in mind that "their" money is your money (it will be yours eventually) so if you know of a responsible way of spending a small amount of your parent's money then it is not morally wrong to take it. Just be careful with the amount - money can tear families apart , trust me on that... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This, my friends, is 100% Grade A Whole Beef Bull****.
It is *NOT* your money. It is their money. And taking something that doesn't belong to you, no matter how you try to justify it, makes you a thief. And a thief that steals from his own family is the lowest kind of thief.
To say it isn't morally wrong to take it because you might get some inheritance when they die (hopefully a long time from now) is not only ignorant and disrespectful.. its... its part of the reason why the world is so screwed up today, that this kind of thought can even cross your mind long enough to type it out...
(Note: Zig, this isn't directed towards you, its towards the **** who steals from his parents) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you are dead set on traveling; bypass the stealing entirely Zig. Wait till your legal, save the money on your own and go. I still advise against going until your feet are on solid ground and you are able to enter the job market as a proffessional, which depending on how you play your cards, could be earlier than you think. Once you can afford to cut your parents out, then do so. But wait until you hit the safe zone, don't compromise anything untill you make it there.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
edited June 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 20 2004, 08:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 20 2004, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its not about the money. Its about you still being a kid yourself wanting to run away to another freaking country just for a date with some girl who is more than likely just using you.
You are only 17. Despite what you might think, you are still a complete nub to the world. Everyone is when they are 17. And 18. and 19. And... Well you get the picture. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i smell bias. from what do you determine that she is "more than likely just using" me? i would be disconcerted if i didn't know her so well.
<!--QuoteBegin-coldnite+bove--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coldnite @ bove)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are dead set on traveling; bypass the stealing entirely Zig. Wait till your legal, save the money on your own and go. I still advise against going until your feet are on solid ground and you are able to enter the job market as a proffessional, which depending on how you play your cards, could be earlier than you think. Once you can afford to cut your parents out, then do so. But wait until you hit the safe zone, don't compromise anything untill you make it there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>first of all, i've decided not to do the whole "stealing" thing, because i've just realized how VERY easy it is to buy a ticket even if you're not 18</b>.
secondly, your statement is confusing... are you telling me to wait until i'm steady on my own feet until i leave my parents, or telling me to wait until i'm steady on my own feet to take a little vacation?
because the issue at hand is one of a little vacation.
Definetly wait till you are steady on your feet to leave your parents. This is vital.
But if possible, wait till you are steady on your feet before the trip as well. Is there no chance you can postpone it? I know you want to see this girl, but your life and your future must remain your number one priority. Risk <b>nothing</b>.
Yes! Save the 800 and try to find a way to get a good job and an upper level education. They are the tools to freedom!
But only get on that plane when you are sure that you are no longer financially dependant on your parents. Because you can't gamble your life like this unless you know that you are no longer risking anything.
you know that you get a free education thru the military...
right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah I do, but its also a very tough life as I understand it. I nearly considered it myself until an older friend of mine got beaten around by his commanding officers. It may have just been his unlucky experience, but I refuse to risk that. There are other and most likely safer ways to obtain an education.
<!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Jun 20 2004, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Jun 20 2004, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dragon_Mech+Jun 20 2004, 03:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Jun 20 2004, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Love is like a rhino - if there is no path, it will make a path.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--></i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Crash of Rhinoes (sp?). Magic: The Gathering <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In that case, its more like "Love is like a rhino, you have to sacrafice a Forest."
Anyway, don't be so sure its love. While I fully accept the possibility of a 17 year old being mature enough (and in control enough) to truely love, I doubt its likely.
I'm fairly certain you need to wait for all those hormones to calm down before dubbing something "love".
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You're still a kid, and she already has a kid. The fact that a 22 year old woman who already has a child is interested in a teenage boy from the other side of the world should be setting off alarms right there. There is nothing wrong with being friends with someone, but I would advice against any romantic relationship whatsoever.
And don't do anything drastic. Do not go to Europe, whether its on your parents money or not. If she is so nuts to see you she will pay for it, fine. If she wants to come to you, fine. But don't you go wasting your cash to go see her. You might be in a rebelious phase right now (admit it, that's what you are in) and it might seem like a good idea, but it won't be. You don't travel halfway around the world just for a date, so don't kid yourself about that.
And yes, I read your posts. Again, I know this isn't the answer you want, but listen to reason rather than the talking head in your pants. Take our advice, and don't screw up your life.
today, my mother just felt like coming out with a decisive and somewhat disdainful "oh.. i never told you? you're not going." that's my reason for this post... mostly venting, but also for advice.
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i do plan to have them talk to her and maybe even get to know her a little.. them liking her would be good, and make this plenty easier. would i sound a little spiteful if i said that, if it didn't work in my favor, i wouldn't give even a fraction of a sh*t if they approve of any girlfriend i've ever or will ever have?
i have NO qualms about devoting time, feeling, stress, heartbreak, or ANYTHING, for love.
if i was a mean person, i would say something like, "if you go into every relationship wondering if the profit yield will exceed the original investment, then you seriously need to rethink your interpersonal relations."
Crash of Rhinoes (sp?). Magic: The Gathering
But I digress.
Be careful what you do, Zig. You may love this girl, and she you, but if you approach your situation the wrong way you could severely mess things up. Though I think that goes without saying.
stakh, i think about that and really want to.. but i just can't, knowing that it'll screw things up really bad x_x
she doesn't want me to subvert either, if there's a way around that.
Same here, you - evil parents - gf (*cries*) = me
In summation, wait it out. The webcam thing sounds like a good idea if you haven't done so already. Please don't punish your parents for trying to stop you from being a prodigal son, even in the name of love. Hopefully, other people don't need to be prodigal in order to see a method through which they may find true happiness.
Best of luck to you throughout this entire turn of events, and may your life find balance through a path lacking ill will.
i understand it, but i'll risk sounding like a linkin park angst queen to offer that you really don't know my parents until you've lived with them. they're just no good.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sure many more here than just myself have come from a troubled home, though I certainly understand if they don't see things the way I do, but I digress. If you really do want to see this girl, then you need to wait and do so on your own time, with your own expenses. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
plan to.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Though keep in mind, that an internet relationship really isn't all you might think it is. The problem with internet relationships is this: Because of the completely virtual setting, one often has a hard time imagining any imperfections in the other person. The other might seem wonderful, and even if she is, you won't necessarily know that until you meet. Even so, you don't need to steal from your parents, even if you do pay them back. That's still just as irresponsible, not to mention, it sounds like this girl needs to be with someone who's a little more patient/secure anyways.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
-i understand the implications of an internet relationship. fortunately, not all the relationship has been over the internet. this would be the first time i see her with my parents' knowledge/consent.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Best of luck to you throughout this entire turn of events, and may your life find balance through a path lacking ill will.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thanks.
_________
<!--QuoteBegin-the hero+bove--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (the hero @ bove)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and if not, not letting you go is still in your best interest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
care to explain?
No they dont..
I'd say, that getting a college degree of some kind and finding a proffession is very important, this whole thing couldn't have happened at a worse time in your life. Sure you want to join the marines, but its not all fun and games in there, I have several friends who figured it was a cakewalk and are now reeling from the blow. Perhaps you do like weapons and military stuff, but if you do join, it will be a long while before you truely see any of that I should think.
Your best bet is to secure your life Educationally and Financially, you sound like a bright kid and quite capable of doing so, but this whole situation could throw your life off track, and the older you get, the harder it is to go back and get an education, especially if you need money from your parents. The way I see it, if you completely blow your parents away with how well you do at this stage of your life, you might completely shake their foundations of how they see you.
I say that because I am on the verge of doing so to my mother (I live with her, my parents are divorced), she thinks I am a good for nothing slacker it seems, and while I can't hate her for it, I refuse to agree. My brother is more the golden child however, as he was accepted to UT Austin, has a stable job (which was handed to him on a silver platter) and is good to go grade wise.
However now it is my turn, and I refuse to let my mother's beliefs hold me down. I'm about to become a certified Pharmacy Technician, mostly on my own, I already have lined up a job as a shoe salesmen and I am about to rock the house so to speak (grade wise) in college, and possibly go into Pharmacy.
<b>She</b> however does not know this, nor does she believe me capable of it, however I know a secret; the key to accomplishing all of this is hard work, and when I am done with this my first words to her will be "<i>In your face</i>".
This, my friends, is 100% Grade A Whole Beef Bull****.
It is *NOT* your money. It is their money. And taking something that doesn't belong to you, no matter how you try to justify it, makes you a thief. And a thief that steals from his own family is the lowest kind of thief.
To say it isn't morally wrong to take it because you might get some inheritance when they die (hopefully a long time from now) is not only ignorant and disrespectful.. its... its part of the reason why the world is so screwed up today, that this kind of thought can even cross your mind long enough to type it out...
(Note: Zig, this isn't directed towards you, its towards the **** who steals from his parents)
Its not about the money. Its about you still being a kid yourself wanting to run away to another freaking country just for a date with some girl who is more than likely just using you.
You are only 17. Despite what you might think, you are still a complete nub to the world. Everyone is when they are 17. And 18. and 19. And... Well you get the picture.
This, my friends, is 100% Grade A Whole Beef Bull****.
It is *NOT* your money. It is their money. And taking something that doesn't belong to you, no matter how you try to justify it, makes you a thief. And a thief that steals from his own family is the lowest kind of thief.
To say it isn't morally wrong to take it because you might get some inheritance when they die (hopefully a long time from now) is not only ignorant and disrespectful.. its... its part of the reason why the world is so screwed up today, that this kind of thought can even cross your mind long enough to type it out...
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If you are dead set on traveling; bypass the stealing entirely Zig. Wait till your legal, save the money on your own and go. I still advise against going until your feet are on solid ground and you are able to enter the job market as a proffessional, which depending on how you play your cards, could be earlier than you think. Once you can afford to cut your parents out, then do so. But wait until you hit the safe zone, don't compromise anything untill you make it there.
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i smell bias. from what do you determine that she is "more than likely just using" me? i would be disconcerted if i didn't know her so well.
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<b>first of all, i've decided not to do the whole "stealing" thing, because i've just realized how VERY easy it is to buy a ticket even if you're not 18</b>.
secondly, your statement is confusing... are you telling me to wait until i'm steady on my own feet until i leave my parents, or telling me to wait until i'm steady on my own feet to take a little vacation?
because the issue at hand is one of a little vacation.
But if possible, wait till you are steady on your feet before the trip as well. Is there no chance you can postpone it? I know you want to see this girl, but your life and your future must remain your number one priority. Risk <b>nothing</b>.
are you saying i should save the $800? can you be a little more specific? or maybe i'm just dumb x_x
But only get on that plane when you are sure that you are no longer financially dependant on your parents. Because you can't gamble your life like this unless you know that you are no longer risking anything.
you know that you get a free education thru the military...
right?
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Yeah I do, but its also a very tough life as I understand it. I nearly considered it myself until an older friend of mine got beaten around by his commanding officers. It may have just been his unlucky experience, but I refuse to risk that. There are other and most likely safer ways to obtain an education.
which is what i'm going to do.
Besides, if you're hurting so bad to see your girlie, joining the military won't exactly help that...
next topic.
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In that case, its more like "Love is like a rhino, you have to sacrafice a Forest."
Anyway, don't be so sure its love. While I fully accept the possibility of a 17 year old being mature enough (and in control enough) to truely love, I doubt its likely.
I'm fairly certain you need to wait for all those hormones to calm down before dubbing something "love".