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<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+May 26 2004, 06:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ May 26 2004, 06:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is that when you try to have a proper discussion it just decends into people making sarcastic remarks, veiled or otherwise? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> these forums have changed abit
and with mp_blockscripts 1, server admins now have the power to choose.
Im using clientside lastinv... Because the minimum latency I get from european servers is 100... And the classic lastinv screws my timing most of the time... Do I have an unfair advantage over a local guy who gets 30 ping... No... I just get rid of my disadvantage... However if another player with high latency is also playing on that server with server side lastinv... I surely have advantage over him... Is this unfair?...
Imagine that; I have much better hardware than you... I play with a high resolution mouse... 1600x1200 with 100 fps locked... My headset gives me more accurate sound info about enemy whereabouts... My connection allows me almost realtime connection with server... I surely have advantage over you... Is this unfair?... What should I do sell my PC and get an old one...
As the line between fair and unfair can not be drawn clearly due to lots of factors; this discussion never ends...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because most of the replies consist of either "scripts are bad" or "scripts are good"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is exactly the level your previous post was on. Dont be a Hypocrite.
<!--QuoteBegin-moomin.+May 26 2004, 09:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ May 26 2004, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts are lame i saw a guy using aim script and he used the skulk to fly with a script what a freaking cheater <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> huh? an aim script....no such thing. and he used a skulk to fly? I assume you meant he used a script to make a skulk fly...again no such script.
I think alot of the people with something against scripts don't really understand what they can do and what they can't, that is why we get some uninformed posts like this bashing em. When another person new to gameing or who just doesn't understand scripts reads this, they will also believe these magical scripts can do these unbelievable things and will also dispise them and those who use them.
Let me explain this for those less informed once and for all and then drop it.
Scripts can only do what you could normally do with the default ns binds, they just do multiple instances with one key press. Anyone can jump three times hitting the space bar three times, a script will allow you to jump three times hitting it once. They will not allow you to see thru walls, aim better than your natural reflexes, make you fly, give you more res, give you more hp, make you unkillable or any other such fantasy nonsense.
Moomin, see, doesnt help when all you post does is confuse people.
Ya know if scripters (and im talking the extreme type, not your common +3jump user) came out and said:
<i>"well i really want to win so im going to exploit this game as much as possible, but keep it to myself so only *I* and a select few have the advantage over the 'nub' players. I realise its dodgy but until the devs fix it, its fair game" </i>
Well i could accept that - it would be honest. Just dont pretend your doing it for some noble cause of 'progressing the game to its limits!'. I dont buy that one bit..
<!--QuoteBegin-cocacolaa+May 26 2004, 03:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cocacolaa @ May 26 2004, 03:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Skill replaced by lines of code, if you would prefer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My opinion exactly
I think most scripts are not good or bad but there are some scripts which give you an unfair advantage. For example i know some people which use a Slash/Meta script for the Fade. And this is really bad because the Fade is than 3 times harder to kill. And nobody could tell me that he can also switch fast between Meta and Slash in a Battle without a script so this script gives you definitly an unfair advantage. But the discussion if scripting is good or bad is pointless in my Eyes.
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+May 26 2004, 08:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ May 26 2004, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unfortionately no. Both the pistol script and +3jumps script is there to compete with the mousewheel (and multiple bindings of your +jump or +attack key).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So your countering one form of exploit by allowing another? Sounds like a crude way to balance things. Anyway, i thought +jump and +attack rates had already been capped to prevent mousewheel abuse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow.
So binding stuff to your mousewheel is an exploit now?
"omg he used a bind!!"
+jump has not been capped, but +attack has been capped on most weapons, such as bite, parasite, shotgun, and esp. the pistol. However, the mwheel is a method to quickly fire off all of your pistol shots in short order - all it takes is a spin.
However, for those who don't want to use the mousewheel to compete, you can just use a script.
any script where you are just changing 1 variable (usually from 0 to 1 or some sort of integer or floating point number) are just game options that would otherwise have ended up in the options menu.
Some scripts can be view as exploiting but certainly not cheating.
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+May 26 2004, 10:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ May 26 2004, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because most of the replies consist of either "scripts are bad" or "scripts are good"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is exactly the level your previous post was on. Dont be a Hypocrite. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripts make no difference to skill. So you got owned by a script? OH MY GOD, UNFAIR! Wait.. you would have been owned by someone who could do the same thing without scripting anyway.
So binding stuff to your mousewheel is an exploit now?
"omg he used a bind!!"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not 'stuff'. Im talking about specifically using it to spam commands faster than is <i>possible</i> with a single key. I dont think its unfair to consider that an exploit, its certainly not an intentional feature of the mousewheel.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, for those who don't want to use the mousewheel to compete, you can just use a script.
Im not really bothered how fair or balanced that particular case is. What bothers me is the whole concept of using scripts as a balancing measure. Let the devs balance the game instead.
NGE, follow moomin's example. Stop trolling and speak your mind.
<!--QuoteBegin-007Bistromath+May 26 2004, 01:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ May 26 2004, 01:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Are you somehow suggesting that the commander hotkeys, which everybody has access to, without any knowledge of any crazy moon language whatsoever, <i>right there in the menu provided by the game developers</i> is an unfair advantage? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm on the fence on this issue, but this phrase, 'moon language' , made me chortle. guffaw even!
<!--QuoteBegin-Salvation+May 26 2004, 12:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salvation @ May 26 2004, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i agree with cwag <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> agree...
MAIN POINTS:
0 - Server operators choose to have scripting on or off...
0 - Scripting customizes the game the way you want to play...
0 - If a script is an exploit, that exploit will be removed by the dev's
I see two groups of people in this conversation. Here is my suggestion, if you are against scripting go play on "pure" script free servers. If you can't find "pure" script free servers spend your money on one that you can call home. Or, you could persuade an operator of a server that you frequent to turn that server into a "pure" script free server.
For those that like to script, then continue to do so. Play on any server that allows it, and have fun.
It really is that simple. Either you do or you don't...the devs have made there commitment to allow people to choose how they want to play NS. They have given the option of a "pure" no custom model, no scripting server. If that is what you want then by all means go for it.
Other than that it is up to the leagues to decide what can and cannot be used in a game.
<!--QuoteBegin-ahho+May 26 2004, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ahho @ May 26 2004, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i am sorta against scripting, but it have to depend what kind of script it is.
say if it is command hotkey, i have no problem. others that really turn a noob into a expert in second, those i am against <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That is the point, there is no script that will turn a new player into a vet in a second...NONE. That is the most common misconception about scripting, that any n00b can do it.
In order to use scripts effectively, you need to know what you are doing in game first, how the scripts are supposed to work...and apply them to your style.
<!--QuoteBegin-ahho+May 26 2004, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ahho @ May 26 2004, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> others that really turn a noob into a expert in second, those i am against <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> once again, there is no such script.
I personally think the ultimate control interface would be some sort of mind reading/manipulating device that allows you to interact with your computer using nothing but your thoughts. I'd much rather skill be based on good or poor decisions and timing, rather than on the temperment and flaws of my interface. I suppose I'm in the minority though.
There's no real reason to post again what everyone's already said, the defence of scripts is pretty solid and the "scripts = no skill" argument kinda falls short on every count.
Please, tell me a <b>"lame"</b> script that cannot be replicated via mousewheel.
Scripts that make a sucky player "AWESOME" are what we "deticated gaming professors" like to call hacks, otherwise known as cheats.
Calling anyone who uses scripts lazy is laughable as well, as quite a few people made their own legit (READ: NOT HACKS, you cannot use the "So if people made their own hacks it's OK, right?" argument here.) scripts as well, and figured out the commands in order to make them.
<span style='color:white'>Don't belittle the people opposing your opinion.</span>
To everyone who read my original post as anti-scripting...
WHAT??
Commander hotkeys was used as an example of a script. It is "skill replaced by lines of code" if you would have it. But why don't people WHINE about it?
Skill replaced by lines of code can also be rewritten as "repetitive and cumbersome actions simplified by lines of code".
It's a rhetorical comparison! Read! Please! AHHHH. THERE IS VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMANDER HOTKEYS AND L33T SCRIPTZ0RZ. THAT IS MY POINT. PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT ONE AND NOT ABOUT THE OTHER. FOR NO GOOD REASON.
So binding stuff to your mousewheel is an exploit now?
"omg he used a bind!!"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not 'stuff'. Im talking about specifically using it to spam commands faster than is <i>possible</i> with a single key. I dont think its unfair to consider that an exploit, its certainly not an intentional feature of the mousewheel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The intentional feature of the mousewheel is to spam commands.
Just look at your normal HL, what does the mwheel do in that game? It spams the changeweapon command.
I love the ignorance on the issue displayed by some people...
There is no holy grail of leapbite/blinkslash scripts. Those that DO exist are incredibly ineffective. To blinkslash and leapbite, you need PRECISION. CONTROL. Scripts don't allow that, and using them for such is cumbersome at best. I still see people yelling "WTH? OMG LAEPBIET SKRIPTZOR LAEM!!!!!" when they get killed by someone. Ignorance. Pure ignorance.
+3 jump? Pistol script? A simple equivalent can be performed by binding the mousewheel (as Forlorn said, mousewheel is there to spam a command). Hell, you can even do it in the options menu.
Are scripts bad? Not in the least. Do they make you a better player? Perhaps. But not by much. Using a script doesn't change you from pub nobody to hambone within a matter of seconds.
The only script I currently use is Romano's lastinv script. OHNOES I R TEH BADMANZ HAX
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+May 26 2004, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ May 26 2004, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your too lazy? thats your excuse? The effort of pressing the keys is part of the game, if thats too much for you, i would suggest this is the wrong game for you. If you think an aspect of the game can be stream-lined, why not suggest it as feature instead of keeping it as a private script?
Stop trying to out-wit the game designers. Loopholes exist, but instead of using them to gain an advantage, why not submit them as bug reports or feature suggestions and let the designers decide?. Maybe if people put as much effort into helping advance the game as they do trying to pick it apart, we wouldnt be having these disputes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> erm, perhaps not - it's got nothing to do with being lazy - you'll notice in my post i said I don't actually use scripts - i just don't object to them and I can't understand why people do....
And they aren't private scripts at all - you name the script, some one will either write you one on here, or point you in the direction of where to get one.
The problem is that the HL engine allows scripting. The dev team have put in a pretty effective way of stopping scripts - it is no longer (to an extent) their 'fault' if people script or not - but more it's to do with the server ops... as has been said, if you take a strong anti-script stance which is fine, you're entitled to, then just play on servers / in leagues that don't allow scripts. problem solved.
it raises the same arguement as used to be spawned by custom models - people objected to them because of the new trend of using plain bright colored models - quite understandable. What many of them failed to realise (or did, but chose to argue for the sake of it) was that the dev team of the game (this is many games i'm talking about, not just NS) put in a perfectly good method of preventing custom models - they let the community themselves choose. if the server owner didn't care, they turned off the block. if they did care, they turned it on..
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+May 26 2004, 06:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ May 26 2004, 06:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> +3jump is lame, get some skill and use a mousewheel which is like +infinityjump <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You should rephrase that a bit. When I first read it, before I understood what you actually meant, I nearly choked on the cabbage I'm eating at the prospect of a scripter saying scripts are lame. (or rather, a specific script is lame)
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+May 26 2004, 04:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ May 26 2004, 04:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its amazing the quantity of people against scripts are paralell with those who haven't used one. You bind your jump key to the alias "+jump" OMG A SCRIPT BAN
Seriosly, scripts are only powerful in the hands of already skilled players. Imagine giving a bhop script to a person who can't bhop. Its pointless. This thread sucks and its going to end in flaming and spam mainly due to your own ignorance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Couldn't have put it better myself, Commie. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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these forums have changed abit
and with mp_blockscripts 1, server admins now have the power to choose.
let scripters script.
Im using clientside lastinv... Because the minimum latency I get from european servers is 100... And the classic lastinv screws my timing most of the time... Do I have an unfair advantage over a local guy who gets 30 ping... No... I just get rid of my disadvantage... However if another player with high latency is also playing on that server with server side lastinv... I surely have advantage over him... Is this unfair?...
Imagine that; I have much better hardware than you... I play with a high resolution mouse... 1600x1200 with 100 fps locked... My headset gives me more accurate sound info about enemy whereabouts... My connection allows me almost realtime connection with server... I surely have advantage over you... Is this unfair?... What should I do sell my PC and get an old one...
As the line between fair and unfair can not be drawn clearly due to lots of factors; this discussion never ends...
Which is exactly the level your previous post was on. Dont be a Hypocrite.
huh?
an aim script....no such thing.
and he used a skulk to fly?
I assume you meant he used a script to make a skulk fly...again no such script.
I think alot of the people with something against scripts don't really understand what they can do and what they can't, that is why we get some uninformed posts like this bashing em. When another person new to gameing or who just doesn't understand scripts reads this, they will also believe these magical scripts can do these unbelievable things and will also dispise them and those who use them.
Let me explain this for those less informed once and for all and then drop it.
Scripts can only do what you could normally do with the default ns binds, they just do multiple instances with one key press. Anyone can jump three times hitting the space bar three times, a script will allow you to jump three times hitting it once. They will not allow you to see thru walls, aim better than your natural reflexes, make you fly, give you more res, give you more hp, make you unkillable or any other such fantasy nonsense.
Moomin, see, doesnt help when all you post does is confuse people.
Ya know if scripters (and im talking the extreme type, not your common +3jump user) came out and said:
<i>"well i really want to win so im going to exploit this game as much as possible, but keep it to myself so only *I* and a select few have the advantage over the 'nub' players. I realise its dodgy but until the devs fix it, its fair game" </i>
Well i could accept that - it would be honest. Just dont pretend your doing it for some noble cause of 'progressing the game to its limits!'. I dont buy that one bit..
My opinion exactly
So your countering one form of exploit by allowing another? Sounds like a crude way to balance things. Anyway, i thought +jump and +attack rates had already been capped to prevent mousewheel abuse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
So binding stuff to your mousewheel is an exploit now?
"omg he used a bind!!"
+jump has not been capped, but +attack has been capped on most weapons, such as bite, parasite, shotgun, and esp. the pistol. However, the mwheel is a method to quickly fire off all of your pistol shots in short order - all it takes is a spin.
However, for those who don't want to use the mousewheel to compete, you can just use a script.
Crude? Perhaps, unfair, hell no.
Some scripts can be view as exploiting but certainly not cheating.
Which is exactly the level your previous post was on. Dont be a Hypocrite. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scripts make no difference to skill. So you got owned by a script? OH MY GOD, UNFAIR! Wait.. you would have been owned by someone who could do the same thing without scripting anyway.
Better?
So binding stuff to your mousewheel is an exploit now?
"omg he used a bind!!"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not 'stuff'. Im talking about specifically using it to spam commands faster than is <i>possible</i> with a single key. I dont think its unfair to consider that an exploit, its certainly not an intentional feature of the mousewheel.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, for those who don't want to use the mousewheel to compete, you can just use a script.
Crude? Perhaps, unfair, hell no.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im not really bothered how fair or balanced that particular case is. What bothers me is the whole concept of using scripts as a balancing measure. Let the devs balance the game instead.
NGE, follow moomin's example. Stop trolling and speak your mind.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm on the fence on this issue, but this phrase, 'moon language' , made me chortle. guffaw even!
agree...
MAIN POINTS:
0 - Server operators choose to have scripting on or off...
0 - Scripting customizes the game the way you want to play...
0 - If a script is an exploit, that exploit will be removed by the dev's
I see two groups of people in this conversation. Here is my suggestion, if you are against scripting go play on "pure" script free servers. If you can't find "pure" script free servers spend your money on one that you can call home. Or, you could persuade an operator of a server that you frequent to turn that server into a "pure" script free server.
For those that like to script, then continue to do so. Play on any server that allows it, and have fun.
It really is that simple. Either you do or you don't...the devs have made there commitment to allow people to choose how they want to play NS. They have given the option of a "pure" no custom model, no scripting server. If that is what you want then by all means go for it.
Other than that it is up to the leagues to decide what can and cannot be used in a game.
My 2 cents turned into 3 bucks...
say if it is command hotkey, i have no problem.
others that really turn a noob into a expert in second, those i am against
say if it is command hotkey, i have no problem.
others that really turn a noob into a expert in second, those i am against <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is the point, there is no script that will turn a new player into a vet in a second...NONE. That is the most common misconception about scripting, that any n00b can do it.
In order to use scripts effectively, you need to know what you are doing in game first, how the scripts are supposed to work...and apply them to your style.
once again, there is no such script.
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There's no real reason to post again what everyone's already said, the defence of scripts is pretty solid and the "scripts = no skill" argument kinda falls short on every count.
Please, tell me a <b>"lame"</b> script that cannot be replicated via mousewheel.
Scripts that make a sucky player "AWESOME" are what we "deticated gaming professors" like to call hacks, otherwise known as cheats.
Calling anyone who uses scripts lazy is laughable as well, as quite a few people made their own legit (READ: NOT HACKS, you cannot use the "So if people made their own hacks it's OK, right?" argument here.) scripts as well, and figured out the commands in order to make them.
<span style='color:white'>Don't belittle the people opposing your opinion.</span>
WHAT??
Commander hotkeys was used as an example of a script. It is "skill replaced by lines of code" if you would have it. But why don't people WHINE about it?
Skill replaced by lines of code can also be rewritten as "repetitive and cumbersome actions simplified by lines of code".
It's a rhetorical comparison! Read! Please! AHHHH. THERE IS VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMANDER HOTKEYS AND L33T SCRIPTZ0RZ. THAT IS MY POINT. PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT ONE AND NOT ABOUT THE OTHER. FOR NO GOOD REASON.
So binding stuff to your mousewheel is an exploit now?
"omg he used a bind!!"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not 'stuff'. Im talking about specifically using it to spam commands faster than is <i>possible</i> with a single key. I dont think its unfair to consider that an exploit, its certainly not an intentional feature of the mousewheel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The intentional feature of the mousewheel is to spam commands.
Just look at your normal HL, what does the mwheel do in that game? It spams the changeweapon command.
What do you have to say about that?
There is no holy grail of leapbite/blinkslash scripts. Those that DO exist are incredibly ineffective. To blinkslash and leapbite, you need PRECISION. CONTROL. Scripts don't allow that, and using them for such is cumbersome at best. I still see people yelling "WTH? OMG LAEPBIET SKRIPTZOR LAEM!!!!!" when they get killed by someone. Ignorance. Pure ignorance.
+3 jump? Pistol script? A simple equivalent can be performed by binding the mousewheel (as Forlorn said, mousewheel is there to spam a command). Hell, you can even do it in the options menu.
Are scripts bad? Not in the least. Do they make you a better player? Perhaps. But not by much. Using a script doesn't change you from pub nobody to hambone within a matter of seconds.
The only script I currently use is Romano's lastinv script. OHNOES I R TEH BADMANZ HAX
Stop trying to out-wit the game designers. Loopholes exist, but instead of using them to gain an advantage, why not submit them as bug reports or feature suggestions and let the designers decide?. Maybe if people put as much effort into helping advance the game as they do trying to pick it apart, we wouldnt be having these disputes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
erm, perhaps not - it's got nothing to do with being lazy - you'll notice in my post i said I don't actually use scripts - i just don't object to them and I can't understand why people do....
And they aren't private scripts at all - you name the script, some one will either write you one on here, or point you in the direction of where to get one.
The problem is that the HL engine allows scripting. The dev team have put in a pretty effective way of stopping scripts - it is no longer (to an extent) their 'fault' if people script or not - but more it's to do with the server ops... as has been said, if you take a strong anti-script stance which is fine, you're entitled to, then just play on servers / in leagues that don't allow scripts. problem solved.
it raises the same arguement as used to be spawned by custom models - people objected to them because of the new trend of using plain bright colored models - quite understandable. What many of them failed to realise (or did, but chose to argue for the sake of it) was that the dev team of the game (this is many games i'm talking about, not just NS) put in a perfectly good method of preventing custom models - they let the community themselves choose. if the server owner didn't care, they turned off the block. if they did care, they turned it on..
same as scripts :-)
You should rephrase that a bit. When I first read it, before I understood what you actually meant, I nearly choked on the cabbage I'm eating at the prospect of a scripter saying scripts are lame. (or rather, a specific script is lame)
Seriosly, scripts are only powerful in the hands of already skilled players. Imagine giving a bhop script to a person who can't bhop. Its pointless. This thread sucks and its going to end in flaming and spam mainly due to your own ignorance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couldn't have put it better myself, Commie. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EDIT:: <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><b><i><span style='color:purple'>Let me touch you...</span></i></b></span> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->