Okay, some (...all) of these have been mentioned before but:
12 Monkeys: Bruce Willis and some lady...it's weird, but it picks up after a while. It's pretty good. I wanted a little more of a back story but, hey, it's like a 7 mil budget. Probably the best 'puzzler' movie that you don't truly know it's acutally a 'puzzler' until the end.
All Quiet on the Western Front (Im Westen nichts neues): You're probably better off with the book, you'd connect with the characters a lot more. Go Stanislaus Katczinsky (hell, I can't pronounce that last name in german or english). I'd tell you why the book is ...more sad?... but that'd ruin it. If you want movies where the good guy loses, hell, everyone loses in WW1.
Braveheart: Although it's not historically accurate, it does have the sad parts, and the protagonist does lose, pretty much.
Armageddon: Could fit under here, people die, you'll feel sad (if that's what you're going for).
Event Horizion: Could fit under here, as long as you don't despise Laurence Fishbourne or Sam Niel. Cooper is awesome, "You want some thing hot an' black inside of you?...How 'bout some coffee instead?" Ahh, the humor.
Friday the 13th, the first one - they all die in it.
Ditto Nightmare on Elm Street - certainly the first one since he pulls the dummy through the door (lol great special effects).
Halloween - brilliant closing shots makes you ask WHERE IS HE NOW???
There's a lot of TV series with sort of grim "evil wins" endings, one of which would be the dated but enjoyable Blake's 7. An awful lot of British stuff ends with evil winning. 1984 is a classic. 12 Monkeys, though "good wins" at the protagonist's loss.
Other stuff.... T3, if you want to be technical, since humanity gets greased. The original Ocean's 11 (and in my eyes the only one, you can stuff your remakes folks) and ditto for the original Italian Job.... again afaik a british film.
Not an awful lot of films really cope with the *death* of the protagonist but certainly with their crushing defeat.
<!--QuoteBegin--Necrosis+Nov 5 2003, 10:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Nov 5 2003, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and ditto for the original Italian Job.... again afaik a british film. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes it was, (And then you Yanks messed it up badly)
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"
The protagonists in Ocean's 11 and The Italian Job were hardly bad guys. They weren't exactly law abiding citizens, but they were likable, and obviously easy to connect with.
There are hardly any movies where the good guys (and I'm thinking of the protagonists here) actually lose. Even if they should die, they usually still win. <i>Requiem for a Dream</i>, as has been mentioned, is, of course, one such film where the main protagonists, well, lose.
<i>Twelve Monkeys</i> could be considered to be such a film, but, I think that the film's aim is not really to portray the protagonist as the losing side.
In <i>Braveheart</i> William Wallace gets exactly what he wants, so he wins. In <i>Event Horizon</i> those two crew members are, in the end, saved by Captain Miller (if my memory serves me correctly), so I'd consider that another "win". Earlier in the film Miller did say that a young man had died serving under him, so saving those two others while sacrificing himself was kind of a way to make up for his past mistakes.
In <i>Armageddon</i>, again, a few people are sacrificed so that humanity can survive. <i>Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines</i> might be a bit more complex, because most of humanity is wiped out, but because John Connor survives, as he was supposed to, eventually the surviving humans will defeat Skynet.
As for <i>Scarface</i>... No redemption, yes, but, really, would you really want to see Tony Montana survive the attack after everything he's done?
Yeah, who can forget event horizon? Neill was just awsome: <i>"I <u>AM</u> home...</i>
Someone metntioned Dragonheart? I think it was a bit crappy, but perhaps itsmainly cuz i feel sorry for the poor drawggy <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
it's about this ex-angel Azazel possessing people and...well, to quote the opening lines: "I'm going to tell you about the time I almost died." Keyword: ALMOST
[edit] Ok, another good one, as Necrosis pointed out is <span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'>Seven</span></span></span>. It's about this psychopathic guy who kills people, each one for a sin, one of the seven deadly sins. Greed is one the most disgusting things.
I didn't see them lose in Battle Royale.... but then I did watch the director's cut, so I don't know if they seriously revamped the ending... but I don't think they did.
<!--QuoteBegin--Necrosis+Nov 6 2003, 11:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Nov 6 2003, 11:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I didn't see them lose in Battle Royale.... but then I did watch the director's cut, so I don't know if they seriously revamped the ending... but I don't think they did.
Hmm. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not really so much that they lost, but they hardly won really.
The system is still in place and they're now wanted people. Nothing changed and lots of cute girls died. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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The last Emperor? Anyway, it's a good movie <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--TOOL+Nov 4 2003, 10:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOOL @ Nov 4 2003, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Night of the living dead....wow just watch the ending...awesome <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> YES!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Battle Royale. But i don't want to comment on the story since it'd spoil the ending. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of mice and men... Excellent dialogue in it (These guys actually sound like hicks <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> )
The ending is a huge downer... I wont spoil it for anybody (read it!)
Not a movie, but the series Red Dwarf. In the end, all attempts to save the ship fail, it's engulfed in flames, a murdeous vending machine destroy's the last chance to save the ship and Death come for Rimmer, Who proptly knees Death in the nuts and high tails it out of there, in a very Rimmeresque Fashon.
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back - When Jay's "boo boo kitty f**k" has to go to jail. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All they wanted was to get off... they did it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
American History X, maybe? Not exactly action/scifi, but a good movie nonetheless where nobody really wins. Just don't watch that if you're sensitive to racial slurs, or if you really don't like prison shower rape scenes.
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12 Monkeys: Bruce Willis and some lady...it's weird, but it picks up after a while. It's pretty good. I wanted a little more of a back story but, hey, it's like a 7 mil budget. Probably the best 'puzzler' movie that you don't truly know it's acutally a 'puzzler' until the end.
All Quiet on the Western Front (Im Westen nichts neues): You're probably better off with the book, you'd connect with the characters a lot more. Go Stanislaus Katczinsky (hell, I can't pronounce that last name in german or english). I'd tell you why the book is ...more sad?... but that'd ruin it. If you want movies where the good guy loses, hell, everyone loses in WW1.
Braveheart: Although it's not historically accurate, it does have the sad parts, and the protagonist does lose, pretty much.
Armageddon: Could fit under here, people die, you'll feel sad (if that's what you're going for).
Event Horizion: Could fit under here, as long as you don't despise Laurence Fishbourne or Sam Niel. Cooper is awesome, "You want some thing hot an' black inside of you?...How 'bout some coffee instead?" Ahh, the humor.
er...out of ideas now.
Ditto Nightmare on Elm Street - certainly the first one since he pulls the dummy through the door (lol great special effects).
Halloween - brilliant closing shots makes you ask WHERE IS HE NOW???
There's a lot of TV series with sort of grim "evil wins" endings, one of which would be the dated but enjoyable Blake's 7. An awful lot of British stuff ends with evil winning. 1984 is a classic. 12 Monkeys, though "good wins" at the protagonist's loss.
Other stuff.... T3, if you want to be technical, since humanity gets greased. The original Ocean's 11 (and in my eyes the only one, you can stuff your remakes folks) and ditto for the original Italian Job.... again afaik a british film.
Not an awful lot of films really cope with the *death* of the protagonist but certainly with their crushing defeat.
Yes it was, (And then you Yanks messed it up badly)
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"
so it doesnt really count
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Starring..
William Holden
Gloria Swanson
There are hardly any movies where the good guys (and I'm thinking of the protagonists here) actually lose. Even if they should die, they usually still win. <i>Requiem for a Dream</i>, as has been mentioned, is, of course, one such film where the main protagonists, well, lose.
<i>Twelve Monkeys</i> could be considered to be such a film, but, I think that the film's aim is not really to portray the protagonist as the losing side.
In <i>Braveheart</i> William Wallace gets exactly what he wants, so he wins. In <i>Event Horizon</i> those two crew members are, in the end, saved by Captain Miller (if my memory serves me correctly), so I'd consider that another "win". Earlier in the film Miller did say that a young man had died serving under him, so saving those two others while sacrificing himself was kind of a way to make up for his past mistakes.
In <i>Armageddon</i>, again, a few people are sacrificed so that humanity can survive. <i>Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines</i> might be a bit more complex, because most of humanity is wiped out, but because John Connor survives, as he was supposed to, eventually the surviving humans will defeat Skynet.
As for <i>Scarface</i>... No redemption, yes, but, really, would you really want to see Tony Montana survive the attack after everything he's done?
Someone metntioned Dragonheart? I think it was a bit crappy, but perhaps itsmainly cuz i feel sorry for the poor drawggy <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:orange'>Fallen</span></span></span>
it's about this ex-angel Azazel possessing people and...well, to quote the opening lines: "I'm going to tell you about the time I almost died." Keyword: ALMOST
[edit] Ok, another good one, as Necrosis pointed out is <span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'>Seven</span></span></span>. It's about this psychopathic guy who kills people, each one for a sin, one of the seven deadly sins. Greed is one the most disgusting things.
Oh hell, and what about Se7en?
Even though the main character doesn't die or anything, he sort of loses because he took the case at all.
Hmm.
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It's not really so much that they lost, but they hardly won really.
The system is still in place and they're now wanted people. Nothing changed and lots of cute girls died. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
YES!
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All they wanted was to get off... they did it.
Go Scots!
The ending is a huge downer... I wont spoil it for anybody (read it!)
To Live
Spring Festival
Ice Speed
1919
and... hm... cant think of others.
Also, did anyone mention 2001 a space odyssey?
@_@ ==> ¤.¤
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When watching that movie, everyone loses.
All they wanted was to get off... they did it.
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The most perverted thing said ever.